B.C. Human Rights Commission rejects Muslim complaint over Maclean's article

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B.C. Human Rights Commission rejects Muslim complaint over Maclean's article
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

VANCOUVER - The B.C. Human Rights Commission has rejected a complaint that a Maclean's magazine article about Islam violated Canada's anti-hate laws.

It's the third time the complaint has been dismissed by various human rights commissions in Canada after it was filed by two members of the Canadian Islamic Congress, which claimed the piece by columnist Mark Steyn raised hatred against Muslims.

The article, called "The Future Belongs to Islam" and posted on the Maclean's website in October 2006, discusses the global ambitions of young Muslims and suggests the West doesn't have the will to withstand the challenge.

In the B.C. complaint, the Islamic Congress claimed the writing suggests Muslims pose a threat to Western society, to democracy and human rights - a violation of the B.C. Human Rights Code.

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[Calanen]

The article, called "The Future Belongs to Islam" and posted on the Maclean's website in October 2006, discusses the global ambitions of young Muslims and suggests the West doesn't have the will to withstand the challenge.

Or even to listen to arguments about whether there is a challenge. Let alone have the courage to face it.

I was reading some history the other day about the ordinary soldiers of the Duke of Wellington in the Napoleonic wars, the scum of the earth on one view, dragged out of taverns throughout England and given 23 pounds and change to sign on for life for the King. Which the King took most of back as the cost of providing equipment to the poor unfortunate, ie musket, pack, uniform etc. Well fairs fair.....

Those rag tag individuals, because of the indomnitable British spirit kicked Napoleons professional armies all the way across Europe. The same rag tag type bunch under the lead of King Richard the Lionheart, whose coat of arms still hangs high in all our courts, monstered Saladins armies and kept Europe safe from Islamic attack.

I hope that deep down, there is still that courage within the Western world, and particularly in the majority of the people of the UK. I think that Richard the Lionheart would weep today, to hear the craven politically correct cowardice with which many of his people now speak on this issue.

[DZMouloudia]

Or even to listen to arguments about whether there is a challenge. Let alone have the courage to face it.

I was reading some history the other day about the ordinary soldiers of the Duke of Wellington in the Napoleonic wars, the scum of the earth on one view, dragged out of taverns throughout England and given 23 pounds and change to sign on for life for the King. Which the King took most of back as the cost of providing equipment to the poor unfortunate, ie musket, pack, uniform etc. Well fairs fair.....

Those rag tag individuals, because of the indomnitable British spirit kicked Napoleons professional armies all the way across Europe. The same rag tag type bunch under the lead of King Richard the Lionheart, whose coat of arms still hangs high in all our courts, monstered Saladins armies and kept Europe safe from Islamic attack.

I hope that deep down, there is still that courage within the Western world, and particularly in the majority of the people of the UK. I think that Richard the Lionheart would weep today, to hear the craven politically correct cowardice with which many of his people now speak on this issue.



The same rag tag type bunch under the lead of King Richard the Lionheart, whose coat of arms still hangs high in all our courts, monstered Saladins armies and kept Europe safe from Islamic attack.

Last time i checked Richard Lion heart, did not accomplish much against Saladin, and he actually did retreat with his army back to England with not much Glory at all (he even died before getting to England).
One more thing, During that time Europe was sending their mighty crusaders :)to the holy land and not the other way around. In other words, Europe was not under attack.

I hope that deep down, there is still that courage within the Western world, and particularly in the majority of the people of the UK. I think that Richard the Lionheart would weep today, to hear the craven politically correct cowardice with which many of his people now speak on this issue.

FYI Richard lion heart did not speak English

@CAL
Little Objectivity in the middle of all this hatred might help:)

NB: Richard Lion Heard even fail sick and Saladin sent his physician to look after him.

[Col.O'neill]

Am i reading this correctly? Did the human rights commision actually grow some balls and not appease Islam for a change? That r ossim!

[Calanen]

Last time i checked Richard Lion heart, did not accomplish much against Saladin, and he actually did retreat with his army back to England with not much Glory at all (he even died before getting to England).

He didnt retreat, he entered into a treaty with Saladin. The fact he was sick was one part of that. The other was that some of his allies had deserted him, in a huff. He was shot with a crossbow bolt and then badly treated by a medic on the way back, which led to his death.


One more thing, During that time Europe was sending their mighty crusaders :-)to the holy land and not the other way around. In other words, Europe was not under attack.

I dont intend to endlessly debate the Crusades, which are seen by revisionist historians as another reason to hate ourselves and you will get many Westerners telling you that poor Muslim farmers were minding there own business when suddenly Templar knights appeared and butchered them.

The first part is, how exactly did the peaceful muslims get into the Holy Land anyway when they were from modern day Saudi Arabia - Im pretty sure it was with jihad.

And why did the Crusades happen? Islamic armies had conquered Spain and half of France in the not to distant past, and were again approaching up through the Byzantine Empire part of the world. It was thought by European monarchs at the time, and quiet rightly, that taking the fight to them was the best option, rather than waiting to let them establish a hold in Europe. Pilgrims to the Holy Land were also being butchered by Islamic armies. The Pope didnt like that, and neither did the Kings. The Knights Templar were originally created to protect pilgrims to the Holy Land, which were otherwise easy prey for the armies of Islam

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I hope that deep down, there is still that courage within the Western world, and particularly in the majority of the people of the UK. I think that Richard the Lionheart would weep today, to hear the craven politically correct cowardice with which many of his people now speak on this issue.

FYI Richard lion heart did not speak English


He did speak English, just not well and preferred to speak French. He was however, undoubtedly the King of England. As you may or may not know, the English heritage is tied up with parts of France, and at the time of the Norman conquest, England had provinces in France. All an interesting period of history.


@CAL
Little Objectivity in the middle of all this hatred might help:-)

Obviously I want to see the West survive, freedom survive, and sharia and Islamic law to form no part of Western society. So in that sense, yes I am not objective. No more I am sure, than people in Saudi Arabia would not be 'objective' about me telling them the values of a secular common law system.

People keep talking about hatred, but there is no 'hatred' from me about anything. There is far more frustration with the silliness of my own people. I know that many people in the Islamic world, laugh at us for our weakness, our cowardice in failing to stand up for what we *say* we believe in, our intellectual stupidity. And that saddens me - it really does, because we should know better. At the moment, the West doesnt as a group, appear to be committed to anything - our beliefs are pay lip service to only - not true beliefs or convictions. Our strongest belief seems to be in this luke warm idea of multiculturalism, which wont be a rallying cry in defence of anything.


NB: Richard Lion Heard even fail sick and Saladin sent his physician to look after him.

Saladin is someone that I personally admire, and if there were more Islamic leaders like Saladin there would be far less trouble in the world. I know a fair bit about all of this, interesting period of history. Saladin admired and respected King Richard, and I think the reverse is true too.

You will note that I said, kept Europe safe from attack. Not that it was under attack. But it had been under attack from Islamic armies in the past, and would be again - see the Siege of Vienna as a good example.

[DZMouloudia]

He didnt retreat, he entered into a treaty with Saladin. The fact he was sick was one part of that. The other was that some of his allies had deserted him, in a huff. He was shot with a crossbow bolt and then badly treated by a medic on the way back, which led to his death.

He came all the way from England to kill the infidels and liberate Jerusalem right? Did he do so? No he did not, we are not here to hear the excuses, the point is did he win or not and the answer is no he DID NOT, which means he LOST.






Richard had no particular love for England, and could not speak English: rather, he always felt a passionate attachment to the rich province of Aquitaine


Richard spent little time in England, it is true; but his English subjects admired his efforts in the east and his warrior ethic. He didn't speak much, if any, English

I do believe that he did not speak English.


Obviously I want to see the West survive, freedom survive, and sharia and Islamic law to form no part of Western society

What are we supposed to do with The Muslim Citizens of OF the west? Deport them all?
ethnic cleansing maybe? or maybe kill them all?


They really should give you a noble prize for being the king of ISLAMOPHOBIA

[vinny_121_ND]

I actually thought it was a good article that discusses the humanistic geography of muslim immigrants with facts, statistics and examples. I have no problem with immigrants as long as they work hard and be good.

You can read the full article here.

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898

[Skutatos]

He came all the way from England to kill the infidels and liberate Jerusalem right? Did he do so? No he did not, we are not here to hear the excuses, the point is did he win or not and the answer is no he DID NOT, which means he LOST.









I do believe that he did not speak English.



What are we supposed to do with The Muslim Citizens of OF the west? Deport them all?
ethnic cleansing maybe? or maybe kill them all?


They really should give you a noble prize for being the king of ISLAMOPHOBIA


French(or Anglo/norman actually, slighty different from french) was the language of english royalty, considering their ancestry and the fact they controlled half of what is now france at the time. English was for the peasants. Until about 1400 anyways.

[Calanen]

He came all the way from England to kill the infidels and liberate Jerusalem right? Did he do so? No he did not, we are not here to hear the excuses, the point is did he win or not and the answer is no he DID NOT, which means he LOST.



No he didnt. He didnt lose in the sense that he was beaten and surrendered. He didnt lose in the sense that he ran away. He also had to return because his brother John was trying to take over England while he was gone.

If you mean that he 'lost' because he did not meet all of the campaigns goals, then thats one view. It wouldnt be one I agree with though - although minds may differ. But he was not defeated militarily, nor was there any humiliating surrender.

A treaty and a truce was entered into - which permitted Christians to visit the holy land without being butchered, which was one of the important goals of the Crusade.



I do believe that he did not speak English.



Historians say that he did speak English, just not well. I;ve seen some say he spoke little English, but I have never seen any that said he spoke non at al. He was a very learned man. Conversational English would not have been beyond him.



What are we supposed to do with The Muslim Citizens of OF the west? Deport them all?
ethnic cleansing maybe? or maybe kill them all?





They really should give you a noble prize for being the king of ISLAMOPHOBIA



And perhaps you would be the King of hyperbole, for extreme 'slippery slope' type statements. I have never advocated such things, but you have referred to it a number of times. To say such extreme things is an easier argument to deal with than the arguments I present, and this is why they are presented by you.

You really should also give the Gay Lobby a royalty payment every time you use that term - it was their idea.

[Kingswat]

Nice to see the Human Rights Commissions actually doing something useful for a change, and in BC of all places.

[Calanen]

Nice to see the Human Rights Commissions actually doing something useful for a change, and in BC of all places.

Yes, ultimately. The difficulty will be that any commentary of this kind will mean people are dragged before the Courts or Tribunals to defend allegations of race hatred etc for even the most benign criticism of sharia, islam or its adherents.

Just another weapon in the Global Jihad - our own courts and Tribunals used against us, and free speech denied.

It also costs those who are brought before such courts to explain themselves, 100s of 1000s in legal fees. Which has a chilling effect on free speech. If you are an Islamic front group sponsored by Saudi money however, legal action and expenses are no problem.

[Supe]

Well if the ruling favoured the people who raised the complaint - then freedom of speech would effectively been put on notice. I don't imagine that a strangulation of freedom of speech (a pillar of Western society and a fundamental to the viability of the democratic processs) is what even those PC types truly want. After all, it's a double edged sword. It surely would have been a pandora's box had the ruling gone the other way.

[LaoSexMachine]

Bunch of cry babies. Islam aint special.

[AmandlaEwetu]

Believe me,Britain still has the fighting spirit as would be witnessed in any town center on a Friday and Saturday nightwoot

just ban alcohol and see how the masses react:bash:

[Lazy Lob]

After the beating they got from Ezra Levant I'm not surprised.

[sir-chimp]

Free speech is such a archaic passé idea.

Thank god the liberals of the western world are doing their best to enable its destruction.


The group think known as the left has replaced heresy with political correctness, using it to persecute and intimidate their opponents with the same blind religious zeal.

I just hope I am not found to weigh the same as a duck.

[wildcat]

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is does not matter if they win or lose, what their mission is to do is to instill fear that you do not say any thing bad, else they will sue.

It is a tool to try to intimidate the PC west into not saying anything bad about Muslims or Islam. not to challenge them. That is how I read it.

[Calanen]

After the beating they got from Ezra Levant I'm not surprised.

As a fellow attorney, I have to say I was very very impressed by him.

[Lazy Lob]

As a fellow attorney, I have to say I was very very impressed by him.

I fully agree with you.

[MichaelF]

I was reading some history the other day about the ordinary soldiers of the Duke of Wellington in the Napoleonic wars, the scum of the earth on one view, dragged out of taverns throughout England and given 23 pounds and change to sign on for life for the King. Which the King took most of back as the cost of providing equipment to the poor unfortunate, ie musket, pack, uniform etc. Well fairs fair.....

Those rag tag individuals, because of the indomnitable British spirit kicked Napoleons professional armies all the way across Europe.

Actually, it was the other way around. The British Army was Professional, and extemely-well disciplined and drilled, whatever their social origins.

By the time that Britain truly became invested in a standup fight against Napoleon (War of The Sixth Coalition, 1812-1814), the Grande Armee had effectively been replaced by a mass conscript force, led by the remaining Professionals, due to losses in Russia. He never did get the Imperial Cavalry to work right, after Russia.
During the Hundred Days, it was even worse, as he had to assemble a massive army on the fly. L'Armée du Nord had good troops, but very poor Staff and commanders.



The same rag tag type bunch under the lead of King Richard the Lionheart, whose coat of arms still hangs high in all our courts, monstered Saladins armies and kept Europe safe from Islamic attack.

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Richard did no such bloody thing. He fought an inconclusive series of battles with Saladin, did a lot to shatter the unity* of the Crusader forces then cut a treaty that allowed Christian pilgrims to visit Jerusalem and the other holy places. Then went home, with some detours.


Richard was a pretty cool guy, cutting a very romantic figure (that future writers would gild quite a bit), but a saviour of the West he was not.
Compared to Geoffrey of Boulogne, Don John of Austria or King Jan Sobieski, he's not even in the same league.

Incidentally, he was not shot on the way back. He was shot (5 years after his return to France) with a crossbow bolt, by a young boy, while besieging the castle of Viscount Aimar V of Limoges. Gangrene set in, then he died.


*-his troops tore down the standard of Leopold V of Austria (leader of the Holy Roman Imperial forces), mortally insulting him and causing him to immediately head home. He also made an enemy of Conrad of Monteferrat, by repeatedly backing his friend Guy de Lusignen for the crown of Jerusalem (Guy being an incompetent, and a hated enemy of Conrad). His quarrely with King Phillip of France (over Cyprus) sent the French home early as well.