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Lazy Lob
10-11-2008, 09:07 AM
Iran celebrates global meltdown

By Jon Leyne
BBC News, Tehran

Amidst the financial wreckage around the world, one government is celebrating.

Watching the global gnashing of teeth, the Islamic Republic of Iran is enjoying the ride.

"We are very happy that America's economy is in jeopardy and they are paying the price for their misdeeds. God is punishing them."

That is the verdict from Ayatollah Jannati, one of the most senior clerics in Iran.

President Ahmadinejad has ****ounced on the collapse of global capitalism, and announced that Iranians should stand ready to manage the world.

If there is a Persian word for "schadenfreude", this is it.

And for the moment, Iran does seem to be above the fray.

Shares on the Tehran stock exchange, while down slightly in recent trading, have increased in value by 20% during the year.

In fact, to walk the floor of the Tehran Bourse, you could be excused for thinking you are in a parallel universe.

It looks like a normal stock exchange, with a vast computerised screen dominating the room and traders working from computer to phone to computer.

It is surely only a matter of time before the laws of gravity reassert themselves on the Iranian economy
But share prices have been almost entirely unaffected by the credit crunch.

Stock market insiders told me what they were more interested in was the progress of a government privatisation plan, and other domestic factors.

Bahrom, a stockbroker watching the trading floor, explained that the crisis presented opportunities for Iran. He advised foreign investors to take a good look at the market here.

Another stockbroker said the market here was more about politics than economics.

Any foreign investors tempted to join the party should be warned that foreign investments need government approval, in a process that takes at least a month - and that is probably an optimistic assessment.

Oil economy

Iran, of course, is proud of going against the global trend.

This is the only economy in the world - indeed possibly in world history - in which you can borrow money from the bank and then receive a higher rate of interest by depositing it in the same bank.

Mr Ahmadinejad, who says he is proud of his ignorance of economics, also seems to believe the laws of supply and demand do not apply to the Islamic republic.

He insists the excess amounts of cash in the economy, excess liquidity, is in no way to blame for the spiralling rate of inflation - 25% and counting.

In this particular case, however, it is surely only a matter of time before the laws of gravity reassert themselves on the Iranian economy.

The direct impact of this financial crisis in the US for the Iranian people, could actually be more than for the American people
Saeed Leylaz, economist
Despite a growing industrial sector, and other attempts to diversify, Iran is still overwhelmingly dependent on its massive oil and gas reserves.

According to the BP survey, taken together this country has the largest combined oil and gas reserves in the world, and it is the world's third largest oil exporter.

Iran's oil minister said his country earned $70bn (£41bn) from oil exports last year - the vast majority of both its export earnings, and of government revenue.

But with oil prices already down to around $60 (£35) a barrel from their peak, and still falling, that must be bad news for Iran's finances.

Day of reckoning

In theory, in the good years Iran puts surplus oil revenue into a stabilisation fund.

However, Mr Ahmadinejad's government found no trouble spending the money, even as oil approached $150 (£88) a barrel.

It is not clear how much, or even whether any, of that windfall made it into the deposit account.

Instead, as Mr Ahmadinejad toured the country he sprayed out money to the provinces and local villages.

Vast contracts have been awarded to the Revolutionary Guards. Unspecified amounts have been given, lent, or "invested" with Iran's friends both in the Middle East and in Latin America.

What has happened to the money - you hear ordinary Iranians asking.

Now the day of reckoning may be approaching.

"The direct impact of this financial crisis in the United States for the Iranian people, could actually be more than for the American people, because of the oil price, and our dependency on oil income," explained Saeed Leylaz, one of Iran's most outspoken and independent-minded economists

"If the oil price for Iranian oil will be $75 to $80 a barrel, we will lose $50bn US dollars (a year) and that means we are losing between $700 and $800 per head."

We are in a recession. No-one wants to buy
Alireza Jahan, estate agent
In fact, Iranian oil, which trades slightly cheaper than the lighter crudes that set the world benchmark, is now close to that price, and looks set to fall further.

Already, even in plush north Tehran, you can see the signs of economic downturn. There has been a huge property boom, with many grand old villas being replaced by luxury apartment blocks.

But building work is beginning to grind to a halt. One estate agent told me that prices were down 20% from their peak. Hundreds of thousands of apartments are reported to be lying empty.

"We are in a recession. No-one wants to buy. Demand is very low and there are many properties for sale," said the agent, Alireza Jahan.

No-one will have too much sympathy for Iran's property elite. And most Iranians will be delighted at falling rents and property prices.

For them, life has been tough for as long as they can remember, with high inflation and unemployment.

Social trouble

But this decline in the value of property could be the first sign of a wider economic downturn that could have important social and political implications for Iran.

Mr Leylaz spelt out what low oil prices could mean to Iran and its government: "It means more liquidity, and more economic problems, more inflation. A worse social gap, and social troubles for the country."

For Mr Ahmadinejad, there is the serious possibility of the money running low, just as he runs for re-election - in a vote expected to be next June. If there is no cash left to distribute, the fervour of his supporters could be severely tested.

And if oil prices do hit rock bottom, that could also change the international picture. Until now, one of the biggest constraints on the West, as it challenges Iran, has been the danger of pushing oil prices through the roof. Without that problem, many new possibilities open.

All of this will take some months to play out. For the moment, the money is still coming in, and Iran's rulers can enjoy watching the world demoralised and distracted.

But however much the Ayatollahs celebrate the downfall of global capitalism, it could yet be that capitalism, eventually, bites back.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/7663487.stm

Published: 2008/10/10 13:55:58 GMT

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BMUS
10-11-2008, 11:00 AM
"We are very happy that America's economy is in jeopardy and they are paying the price for their misdeeds. God is punishing them."

That is the verdict from Ayatollah Jannati, one of the most senior clerics in Iran.

President Ahmadinejad has ****ounced on the collapse of global capitalism, and announced that Iranians should stand ready to manage the world
Yeeeah... Dear Ayatollah Jannati. Uuuhm.... I really wouldn't bet my money on it.
But good luck if you try! You definite got the spirit!

Erik Sleivöks
10-11-2008, 11:36 AM
It is one thing to be in a dream world of propaganda announcements, but it is completely different in the real world of industrial Iran.
I suppose that as long as these guys are not accountable (in real values) for all the BS they can talk is doesn’t really matter.

Parx400
10-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Dear Stupid Persians

Since you are unable to diversify your economy, the global meltdown will hit you 10 times harder then the US.

shocker1
10-11-2008, 12:28 PM
When you revel in the misery of others, that misery tends to return home.

-=P=-
10-11-2008, 01:15 PM
"Manage the world", man this is either a translation mistake or Ahmadinejad is crazy slowly. But as far as my experience tells me its just a translation mistake.

A low oil price means that western industries are not running well, otherwise their demands would bring the oil price back to 100$. So yes, if the crisis expands, Iran’s income will also decrease. However what’s different in Iran is that due to its isolation in the financial world, it’s also less affected.

jokuvaan
10-11-2008, 01:44 PM
USA is taking Iran down without single missile being fired.

Buffalo_soldier
10-11-2008, 02:00 PM
USA is taking Iran down without single missile being fired.

It's like fightclub at the end: shooting yourself in the head.

Iran knows is revelling in the financial crisis because they know it brings the end of American hegemony. Even if Iran gets hits hard - which they will - it will pale in comparison to the contraction that the US will have to undergo.

Remember what happened to Russia after the soviet union collapsed.

Moledet
10-11-2008, 02:10 PM
I don't understand why is your wet dream to see the US collapse, but it isn't collapsing that's certain. Every 5 years there are 2 years of recession, it's completely normal. We already got to the peak of this crisis, in a few days if the right measures are taken it will be behind us otherwise it will take more time.

m.i.t
10-11-2008, 02:57 PM
Dear Stupid Persians

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this explains why they celebrate meltdown...

RICHICOQUI
10-11-2008, 03:41 PM
When you revel in the misery of others, that misery tends to return home. Iran been in misery for almost 30 years now!!

DZMouloudia
10-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Stupid Ayatollahs :)

I am not sure if they are Ignorants or just plain stupid.

If the world economy collapses that will mean that the oil prices will collapse as well, and since oil revenues are pretty much their only source of income.

Go figure.

dava
10-11-2008, 04:17 PM
We already got to the peak of this crisis, in a few days if the right measures are taken it will be behind us otherwise it will take more time.

That has been told for over a year now.
The worst is yet to come. Stockmarket crashes predate actual recessions by a year or more. The real economy has barely been touched (yet).

ColinP
10-11-2008, 05:00 PM
The lower price of oil is going to hurt them, as i understand it, their inflation is currently at 27%. Sad a wonderful country being run into the ground by a bunch of nutbars. Just imagine what the ME would look like if you had a moderate Iraq and Iran working together?

eugenlitwin
10-11-2008, 05:03 PM
Dear Stupid Persians

Since you are unable to diversify your economy, the global meltdown will hit you 10 times harder then the US.


the global meltdown will hit the poor iranians not him

PS Persians are barley half of population of Iran

Buffalo_soldier
10-11-2008, 05:21 PM
I don't understand why is your wet dream to see the US collapse, but it isn't collapsing that's certain. Every 5 years there are 2 years of recession, it's completely normal. We already got to the peak of this crisis, in a few days if the right measures are taken it will be behind us otherwise it will take more time.

Well - i guess the beauty of this is that we can to see it in realtime.

We'll see who is right.

tea drinker
10-11-2008, 05:40 PM
When you revel in the misery of others, that misery tends to return home.
Ah sh!t there goes my main source of entertainment.
I do find all the doom and gloom curiously funny.... too many warned of this years ago, were ignored, told they were doom and gloom merchants etc. Now every SOB wants to whine about the end is nigh. TOO LATE IDIOTS. So what if my pension is turning to dust.. it's only money! p-)

And to cap it off God is punishing me for eating too much.

Karry
10-11-2008, 05:44 PM
I don't understand why is your wet dream to see the US collapse, but it isn't collapsing that's certain.
Collapsing or not - US will at the very least have less energy to run around with scissors, which is good in either case.

vinny_121_ND
10-11-2008, 09:07 PM
Last week he was blaming the 'zionist regime' for the collapse, and now he's dancing with joy. I'm actually getting tired of the media focusing on him when there are more important news to be discussed.

briantk
10-11-2008, 11:48 PM
Iran calls for halting oil price slide

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/11/news/ML-Iran-Oil.php

Saturday, October 11, 2008
TEHRAN, Iran: Iran on Saturday called for stability in the oil market, saying the biggest challenge now was a decline in the demand for oil due to a global economic recession.
The stunning collapse in oil markets accelerated Friday, sending a barrel of crude plunging below US$78 as investors grow more pessimistic about resolving a mushrooming global economic crisis.
"We have to look for market stability because this matter is very important both for producers and consumers," Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari told reporters.
Oil hasn't been this cheap in 13 months — a rare piece of good news for consumers amid a rapidly imploding financial landscape.
Crude prices have almost been cut in half since surging to a record near US$150 barrel over the summer. Energy experts believe prices could go even lower.
"Studies show that the current situation in the oil market is due to a decline in demand and the global economic conditions," Nozari said.
Members of the Orgznization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will meet in Vienna next month to respond to the sharp fall in oil prices.
Nozari said last week that it would be "unsuitable" for both producers and consumers for oil to dip below US$100 a barrel.
Iran, as OPEC's second largest oil exporter, has traditionally opposed any crude output increase by OPEC, arguing that it would cause a fall in prices. It has also urged fellow OPEC members to respect their output quota to avoid a worsening of the oversupply.
Iran also has the world's second largest natural gas reserves.
Iran produces 4.2 million barrels of oil per day. The country's recoverable oil reserves are estimated at 137 billion barrels, or 12 percent of the world's overall reserves.
Iran's gas reserves are believed to stand at 28 trillion cubic meters.
Iran is afraid of the consequences of falling oil prices on its ailing economy. About 80 percent of Iran's public revenues come from oil exports and Iran's oil industry needs foreign investment to keep up production and export.
Iran's Central Bank put the country's inflation rate at 27.6 percent in August.

timetraveller
10-12-2008, 12:27 AM
It's nowt to get upset about ....

Afterall if we never had a sense of humour , we would all be livin the lifes of saddo's

end of the day there has been many a comedian that has mocked many a politician on satire comedy show Rory Bremner

plus from another perspective it gives those a chance to see what life is like if you dont have the cash ... to play with

How many people live in Poverty within the western world long before the credit crunch

Rictor
10-12-2008, 01:53 AM
This is the only economy in the world - indeed possibly in world history - in which you can borrow money from the bank and then receive a higher rate of interest by depositing it in the same bank.

Huh? Can someone explain this? I though that Islamic banking doesn't allow interest of any kind to be charged, whether it be to banks or to individuals.

shocker1
10-12-2008, 02:03 AM
"We have to look for market stability because this matter is very important both for producers and consumers," Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari told reporters.
Oil hasn't been this cheap in 13 months — a rare piece of good news for consumers HAHAHA, go to hell.


Yes I am reveling in their misery. I will eat beans to get by.

markjh
10-12-2008, 03:10 AM
Huh? Can someone explain this? I though that Islamic banking doesn't allow interest of any kind to be charged, whether it be to banks or to individuals.

Right, sharia doesn't allow interest rates but islamic banks have instead incredible high fees for credits, to make up for no interest rates.

Kilgor
10-12-2008, 03:35 AM
It's like fightclub at the end: shooting yourself in the head.

Iran knows is revelling in the financial crisis because they know it brings the end of American hegemony. Even if Iran gets hits hard - which they will - it will pale in comparison to the contraction that the US will have to undergo.

Remember what happened to Russia after the soviet union collapsed.

The Implosion of the Soviet Union had little effect on the markets. The collapse of the US would send the world into a long depression.

For example, the worst performing stock market for the year is Russia, down 58%. In the current conditions, demand for oil, gas and rocks is low.

ayanami_tard
10-12-2008, 05:03 AM
well,if US market collapse,everyone will feel the pain,but countries that has the lowest economic dependence on US(directly or indirectly) will suffer the least

that is why diversivication(!?,is it the right word?) is important

iran doesn't have major economic relation with us(albeit their trade partners do),so they do not feel any major impact if US marKet should decline

just mai view anyway

Eventine
10-12-2008, 05:40 AM
The collapse of the US would send the world into a long depression.

Perhaps, but when they emerge from this depression, they will likely have disentangled themselves from the US economy. If this present slides continues and worsens, an end to dollar hegemony may come; if that happens, the world order will fundamentally change.