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pinkeye
06-11-2004, 09:22 AM
The Clothing
Mourners' Attire Not Quite Reaganesque
For Long Wait in the Heat, Many Opted for Comfort: Flip-Flops, T-Shirts and Halter Tops
By Eric M. Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 11, 2004; Page A29


Ronald Reagan was a formal man. He would step off Marine One in a finely tailored suit, tossing a wave and a smile. Even as he cut brush at his Santa Barbara ranch, his jean jacket seemed freshly pressed, his pompadour impeccable.



The same can't be said for many of his mourners, some of whom trundled past his flag-draped coffin yesterday wearing flip-flops, cargo shorts and T-shirts, their flabby midsections exposed. Some young women wore ultra-mini skirts and halter tops. Altogether, the sweaty masses clashed with the crisp honor guard in the U.S. Capitol Rotunda, perhaps America's most sacred secular site.

Bobby Golike, 20, showed up to pay his respects to the 40th president in shorts, sock-less sneakers and a black T-shirt that read, "Slackers Unite! Tomorrow." "Americans are more casual," said the Virginia college student. "I had a collar shirt and nice pants that I was going to change into, but it was kind of hot outside."

Many of the formally challenged cited the heat, the sun and the wait for their lack of funereal attire. Others split hairs, saying that paying respects to Reagan's coffin was different from attending the state funeral scheduled for today.

"It's not a formal function," said David Skorda, 34, of Annandale, in shorts and a yellow T-shirt emblazoned with, "Don't Tread on Me."
"If you're going to stand for three or four hours in the sun in a black suit, you take a chance of being a heat casualty."

That is exactly what David Kegin, 23, did. He suffered in line for 2 1/2 hours in a black suit, dark shirt and black tie. "It was rough," said the Senate intern from Tulsa. "I think it is out of respect to honor him. I don't think we should be wearing anything that doesn't honor him."

Former Republican senator Robert J. Dole (Kan.) agreed. Paying his respects in a dark suit and red tie, he acknowledged that times are different. Surveying the crowd, he said, "I personally couldn't go to church without a jacket and tie, but this is middle-class America."

He said that Reagan would have been pleased with the large turnout, whatever their wardrobe. "Here are the people who got him elected."

Tim Beadle, 21, a University of Maryland student, said he dressed for the weather in shorts, a T-shirt and flip-flops. He said he saw people fainting outside. "I'm sure Bob Dole didn't have to wait on line for three hours," he said.

He said he was properly respectful when he passed Reagan's coffin.

"I took off my hat," he said.

molly747
06-11-2004, 10:27 AM
Geez. If you're going to be hot, take a fan. Don't wear anything you wouldn't wear to a funeral.

mocking_loudly_died
06-11-2004, 10:54 AM
Geez. If you're going to be hot, take a fan. Don't wear anything you wouldn't wear to a funeral.

I agree, it looked pretty amusing seeing a bunch of people in very casual wear in a extremely formal environment. Though I personally wouldn't attend events like this.

ChuckThunder
06-11-2004, 10:58 AM
I know! Some people look like they just woke up!

Its not like you had to wear a suit, just some dockers and a polo shirt. :bash:

XASA
06-11-2004, 11:24 AM
The THI here in DC was 100 degrees on Wednesday and 95 degrees yesterday. The average wait in line was 3 to 4 hours. Common sense ruled over protocol.

Trigger
06-11-2004, 12:00 PM
The THI here in DC was 100 degrees on Wednesday and 95 degrees yesterday. The average wait in line was 3 to 4 hours. Common sense ruled over protocol.
It's rare in this day and age for people to dress as 'formally' as they used to, but like XASA said, common sense ruled. They still showed up, waited patiently, and paid their respects. IMHO that's what matters.

mocking_loudly_died
06-11-2004, 12:01 PM
The THI here in DC was 100 degrees on Wednesday and 95 degrees yesterday. The average wait in line was 3 to 4 hours. Common sense ruled over protocol.
It's rare in this day and age for people to dress as 'formally' as they used to, but like XASA said, common sense ruled. They still showed up, waited patiently, and paid their respects. IMHO that's what matters.

Boo, stop disagreeing with me. :D

Tane Angle
06-11-2004, 01:50 PM
I'm all for dressing nicely when appropriate, but President Reagan will be remember for, if nothing else, his ability to connect with the common person, and the common people. Maybe it is appropriate then that his mourners look as they normally do.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

AFACadet
06-11-2004, 03:01 PM
Trigger and XASA,

Tell that to all the soldiers who stood at attention and parade rest, marched, and were in the sun for hours during the procession.

I stood there with everyone else in those extremely hot uniforms covered in wool, long sleaves, in shoes that don't breath while carrying an M14. And guess what, I and everyone else there would have done it again, or for longer if needed.

SUCK IT UP

WolverineBlue
06-11-2004, 03:34 PM
AFACadet -- congratulations on your bravado, but the great unwashed aren't in the military. If, as has been stated, everyone wore formal attire, the hospitals would've been full of casualties. Wednesday was possibly one of the grimmest days DC has had with the stifling heat and oppressive humidity (which you could see in the distance when they showed the procession from head-on).

Now get back to Colo Springs and take advantage of the education I am paying for.

AFACadet
06-11-2004, 03:49 PM
I was expecting that argument to come up.


I saw a number of 250 lbs + Navy guys in the line along the side of the road in their uniforms. They looked like the pillsbury dough boy--yet they were still standing there at attention just fine.


It has nothing to do with the heat. Its that people are 1) too lazy to change or 2) don't care enough to change, and then rationalize that its because of that heat. You and I both know they would wear the same thing if it were 70 degrees with 0 humidity.

Trigger
06-11-2004, 03:54 PM
Would you rather they just not show up? Do you think Ron gives a damn if they're wearing flip-flops?

WolverineBlue
06-11-2004, 04:03 PM
The military should have issued all Americans uniforms to wear -- that would have solved the problem. Sieg Heil!

AFACadet
06-11-2004, 04:46 PM
That's a great argument. These people are going in sh***y cloths and have lame excuses for wearing them.

Wear something nice for such an important event or don't go at all. It's really not all that difficult.

Vance
06-11-2004, 05:34 PM
I agree with Trigger. Who cares what they wore, it's that they came to pay their respects that count.

NcDeuce
06-11-2004, 05:45 PM
I agree w/ Tane & Trigger.

Who gives a flip about what they wore, at least they took time out of their schedule to pay their respects. Personally, I would have worn khaki shorts and a polo shirt but some people may not have the time to change or the resources to own what you may call 'proper attire'. Besides, check out the temperature! These are common citizens of the nation, not all of us are members of the 'Old Guard'. ;)