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dez000
06-11-2004, 11:13 AM
From Magnée... till Flahaut

Does Sabiex get a Defense order worth 430 million Euros?

In 2004 and 2005, the Belgian Army will buy new material for an amout of 1.6 billion euro. They are also looking for replacements for the BMF (Belgian Mechanical Fabrication) armored infantry fightings vehicles of the type M113.

Minister of Defense André Flahaut (PS) will, like Vanden Boeynants did, most likely use a Walloon company (for economical purposes). They are thinking of replacing the BMF's vehicles with about 500 MultiPurpose Protected Vehciles (MPPV) of the type Iguana. This is a light armoured 4x4 vehicle build by the company Sabiex, a company in Vraine-l'Alleud which has got good recommandations with the Walloon goverment and the head members of the PS (= a politacal party). If they opt for Sabiex the federal goverment woulde go for a "made in Belgium" choise. The total ordre would be worth 430 million euro.

To ensure that Sabiex's vehicle meets the requirments, MOD has even lowered the needed financial limits of the candidates. Because French, German, British, South-Africans and even Australian competitors are hoping to get this contract. But there political-industrial networks aren't as strong as they use to be when compared to Sabiex (... With Belgium that is :) ). Sabiex also some strong arguments to convince the goverment... i.e. the mercedes engine in the Iguana is the same as the one in the Dingo - the famous German competitor... The Iguana has won before from other competitors, but the competion on the international weapon market keeps getting intenser.


This is something which Minister of Defence Flahaut will experience when het tries to sell the - soon to become - excesive material. Then Netherlands for instance is allready trying to sell more modern versions of the tanks the Belgium has, also the Alouettes wich the Swiss are trying to sell are more modern then the Belgian ones. The new NATO-members now allready think our old F-16's are to bad to buy. The less money Minister of Defence Flahaut can receive from these sales the more he will have cut in personel- and workingcosts of the army. But the next Federal Goverment will be the ones who have to pay for this

F. D. M.

source: Knack, 9 June 2004, p 31

The translation might suck but I did my best :p

Some pics of the Iguana:

http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/images/iguana/main_image.jpg

http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/images/image_gallery/rear.jpg

http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/images/image_gallery/rear_3_4.jpg

http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/images/design/design_image.jpg

Info: http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/index.html


Movie of the Iguana during trails in Brazil...
www.defesanet.com.br/videos/iguana.mpg

1Cie GevGn
06-11-2004, 11:41 AM
Yeah, the Belgian army is in the market for some new hardware, they got all the old MAN trucks replaced by UNIMOGS, and the old Bombardier-jeeps are also on the goodbye-list.

EDIT wait a minute, I thought the army was gonna get Pandoers? What happened to those? THe Para's got them, as do the Medical troops. Wierd.

seruriermarshal
06-11-2004, 11:43 AM
Yeah, the Belgian army is in the market for some new hardware, they got all the old MAN trucks replaced by UNIMOGS, and the old Bombardier-jeeps are also on the goodbye-list.

Glad see you , how are you ?

:D

1Cie GevGn
06-11-2004, 11:46 AM
Oh I'm hanging in there ;) U?

seruriermarshal
06-11-2004, 11:50 AM
Oh I'm hanging in there ;) U?

I'm fine , but busy ......

woot

ExtraT
06-11-2004, 11:55 AM
Well, it would seem Belgians simply can't imagine themselves fighting in anything more than police skirmishes in the next 30 years or so. :roll: :roll: :roll:

dez000
06-11-2004, 12:00 PM
The pandurs will be transformed into Recce vehicles and fitted with sensors and stuff...

dez000
06-11-2004, 12:07 PM
Well, it would seem Belgians simply can't imagine themselves fighting in anything more than police skirmishes in the next 30 years or so. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ehm why do you say that? Why should the Iguana be able to be used in Combat operations?

The MPPV is to be used as a Humvee... Why use the m113 its absolete in modern combat... Slow, heavy and almost the same armor as the Iguana...

1Cie GevGn
06-11-2004, 12:15 PM
Not to mention they are to big for me ;)

Kriz
06-11-2004, 12:37 PM
Well, it would seem Belgians simply can't imagine themselves fighting in anything more than police skirmishes in the next 30 years or so. :roll: :roll: :roll:
So? It's our tax money, not yours buddy ;)

Chris1
06-11-2004, 12:48 PM
Well, it would seem Belgians simply can't imagine themselves fighting in anything more than police skirmishes in the next 30 years or so. :roll: :roll: :roll:Yes, because the real proof of a successful nation is showing how many conscripts with AK's it can kill.
:roll:

S'13
06-11-2004, 12:51 PM
Replacing an APC with a light armoured vehicle?!

Wouldn't it be more logical to purchase a wheeled APC like the Stryker or an AMV like the Patria for the replacement?

S'13
06-11-2004, 12:54 PM
Well, it would seem Belgians simply can't imagine themselves fighting in anything more than police skirmishes in the next 30 years or so. :roll: :roll: :roll:
So? It's our tax money, not yours buddy ;)

And in the end it's your soldiers lives which will rely on this vehicle...

dez000
06-11-2004, 12:57 PM
Ehm, they will choose another vehicle as APC... Similar to the Stryker...

Problably a Pandur2, LAV-III or the LAV 300...

They will use several version... Ranging from version with a 90mm cannon to a 20/30mm cannon...

Moledet
06-11-2004, 01:04 PM
This vehicle is for fighting or just to delpoy soldiers? It doesn't look protected enough for a modern combat.

American Patriot
06-11-2004, 01:05 PM
The M113 is a POS.

Maybe they should have bought Bradleys for this role?

dez000
06-11-2004, 01:11 PM
It will be used in the same way the hmwvv is to be used...

It will also be responsable for transporting mortars and artillery...
There will also be a engineer version... So i dont think it will be a combat vehicle...


The reason we the MoD doesnt buy Bradleys or modernise our AIFV-B's is because they will only be using wheeled vehicles in the future. (like the Stryker brigade)

ExtraT
06-11-2004, 03:21 PM
The M113 is a POS.


Absolutely. But it's not a good thing to replace an obsolete APC with a lightly armoured jeep.

Iguana is NOT an APC, and as such can't be considered as a replacement for M113.

-Max2-
06-11-2004, 03:45 PM
http://www.sabiex.com/iguana/images/image_gallery/rear_3_4.jpg

Nice vehicle. :)


Absolutely. But it's not a good thing to replace an obsolete APC with a lightly armoured jeep.

Iguana is NOT an APC, and as such can't be considered as a replacement for M113.

Why not ? In today's world, we need armoured light vehicules who are easily deployable.

And anyway, our military will buy about 325 new APCs in 2005. Probably Pandurs (maybe the 8x8 version ?) because we already use Pandurs 6x6 APC...

ExtraT
06-11-2004, 03:52 PM
And anyway, our military will buy about 325 new APCs in 2005. Probably Pandurs (maybe the 8x8 version ?) because we already use Pandurs 6x6 APC...

Well, that's much better.
I only started the venue of conversation because the subject says "Iguanas to replace M113's"

dez000
06-11-2004, 04:20 PM
I have heard that one of the candidates for that apc is the "LAV 300".

PS: I just stated what was said in the newspaper :)

ExtraT
06-11-2004, 04:38 PM
I have heard that one of the candidates for that apc is the "LAV 300".

PS: I just stated what was said in the newspaper :)

Well, you know how newspapers are. Today I read that a proposed Israeli Navy landing craft will carry rockets with a range of 3200km :)