Delta vests

[Splinter26]

Anyone know what kind of vests were Delta operators using in the movie Black Hawk Down?

[Scrim]

Wife Beaters.

[Sean85]

i know all the gear was supplied by blackhawk but i dont know what vest it was

[Seraphim]

They had Banana Republic vests with Old Navy pants

rofl

[Splinter26]

LoL Thanks

[Phantom]

god, not the bananna vests again...

[Zach R.]

D.O.A.V., Delta Operator Assault vest. I'm not really sure if that's the same vest they used in real life though.

[He219]

They had Banana Republic vests with Old Navy pants
rofl :lol: rofl :P Classic!

[digitalghost]

All DELTA Operatives in the movie "Black Hawk Down" wore 2 layers of "vests" if you will:

The first "layer" is the Armor:

http://www.wargameclub.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=PT-CG-DFBA_srch_delta&PHPSESSID=4997ea4cec245abb04bd91ef601faca0

Second layer is the vest which holds magazines:

http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=442968

There are too many variations of the above with armor and different sorts of "second layer" vests worn over it but the above is what I recall seeing them wearing the most

[Midtown]

yeah thats what I was thinking, the DOAV didnt sound right to me at all.

[USAF G]

At the risk of sounding like a geek here; what they wore in the movie is very different from what Delta used at that time for real. The vests the real operators used are both armor and tactical vests, in one unit. I'm not nitpicking the movie here, just want to make sure the info is straight. :)

[rangerone]

I know for a fact that no DOAVs were used. The DOAV was not around in '91. If you own the DVD set for BHD, watch the behind the scenes part and pause it when they show Eric Bana being "dressed" for an upcoming shot. If you look closely, you will notice that he is wearing the DELTA body armor, and the .223 chest pouch, but also some kind of modular vest so that he could attach buttpacks onto the back to hold his NVGs and other gear. If anyone could figure what vest it is, that would be great. And I already know that it is not the Modular Omega From BHI.

[Seraphim]

The deltas in the movie had alot of different vests. They arent all the same, I'll join the search with you guys.

[Seraphim]

I checked out Eagle Industries but non were the same as the one used from the movie.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/4a5323f/bc/My+Photos/bill%2526kim%2526eric.jpg?bcnpxF_AzIk14g3T

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/4a5323f/bc/My+Photos/poster_x.jpg?bcKnxF_A7wP4Kprm

[EliteWolf]

lol here we go again...i hope a moderator deletes this thread cuz it only leads down a bad road.

[digitalghost]

What bad raod? So far this is the "cleanest" topic Ive read so far

[EliteWolf]

yes, some of the ACTORS wore the following:

http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=442968 - Blackhawk Chest Pouch Rig

and

http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=518893 - as worn by the character Hoot - The BlackHawk Urban Assault Vest


Rangerone, first off this is a movie, you cannot compare it to the real thing. Just because it was based on a real event, doesnt mean the movie is gunna feature the same exact gear, weapons, characters, settings, etc as the real event. and for the record, the real event happened in 93, NOT 91.

[digitalghost]

They did have some accurate weapons and gear though-- In fact I would have prefered if they featured all current gear-- Why? Becuase they would look better-- Rangers would be sportin their SPEAR Ranger Armor with Aimpoint Scope-equipeed M4s-- They would look awesome-- And current rangers is not what we see very often--

[Ratamacue]

Guess what though: current Rangers as of today are not current Rangers as of 1993.

[digitalghost]

i dont know what your speaking about i just said it would be cool to see the actors in BHD wear current ranger gear like SPEAR Ranger Armor and M4s and MICH helmets etc.

[Seraphim]

They did have some accurate weapons and gear though-- In fact I would have prefered if they featured all current gear-- Why? Becuase they would look better-- Rangers would be sportin their SPEAR Ranger Armor with Aimpoint Scope-equipeed M4s-- They would look awesome-- And current rangers is not what we see very often--


Sorry to say but that was the dumbest suggestion I ever heard. Well Im off with Scrim, gonna go find some bamboo.

[digitalghost]

Yea if you think that was stupid I think it would be cool if Saving Private Ryan/We Were Soldiers was in full modern day gear that would look ever BETTER! The modern day military enthusiasts such as myself would drool over it---

[Ratamacue]

:cantbeli:

[Zach R.]

Ehh, I really haven't seen anyother vests that have those gargantuan pouches on the back like the D.O.A.V., but like I said, I haven't seen any. I was gonna backup my answer but my source has since my last visit, changed it's web design. I was gonna say goto www.store.yahoo.com/opsgear/delopasvesdo.html. At one time it said "Vest used in movie Black Hawk Down". I watched it a couple hours ago and I found what looked kinda like a D.O.A.V., I zoomed in the picture and brightened it and I'm sure I saw a D.O.A.V.. Let me figure out which scene it is and I'll let ya know.

[shorty]

Hey UCT_Sinasta....I'll bring the lighter....or do ya want a blowtorch :roll: ??? decisions..decisions...decisions....

[EliteWolf]

Digitalghost, the movie is based on an event that happened in 1993, back then they didnt have that kind of gear, which is why the movie uses the gear it did, because if they used currently issued gear it wouldnt be as realistic to what actually went on there.

and one more thing, STOP SMOKING CRACK! :slap:

zach, the vests that most of the actors wore during the flim didnt have that leather no-slip pad on the upper part of the vest, and you can mount pouches like the ones hoot had on the back of his vest on the urban assault vest and the omega series vests as well. take note of the scene before the raid when eversman and hoot were sitting outside the hanger talking, compare the vest hoot was wearing to the blackhawk urban assault vest and tell me they are not the same.

[Splinter26]

Too much fantasies digital lol By the way, anyone know what is up with the new helmets on a land warrior? The one that is used by US troops now http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep1998/9809117b.jpg covers the ears, and the new one, doesnt cover the ears and looks a lot higher, i saw it on Mail Call, this is the one I think, it seems short tho... http://aric.inha.ac.kr/foreign_trend/aerospace/report/images/2001/information_04.gif

so does anyone know whats the story behind it? which are going to be used?

[digitalghost]

I dont know whats up with those Land Warrior helmets but I know one of them may be the current new-issue MICH helmet used by Airborne Infantry Units such as 101st/82nd etc, Rangers, SF and perhaps some other SF units in other branches:

http://www.specwargear.com/consignment/Mich%20post%201.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/consignment/Mich%20post%202.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/helmet-1.html

Buy: $400 http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=1109960

[digitalghost]

EliteWolf: Im fully aware that it wouldnt be "realistic" however I dont think it would actually "hurt" to see them having 2003 gear and weapons--- The entire point of the movie was waht happened-- not what they wore and used when it happened--- yes its unrealistic but it would be cool TO ME and to other people who would have preferred to see 2003 gear :D

[HotelSecurity]

I don't think it freakin matters what they used. "Oh no, they used an M4 instead of a CAR15" or whatever, its minor details. Getting concerned over small pointless stuff is a waste of time.

[Splinter26]

Ghost can you get pics like that of the new helmet that doesn't cover the ears? I couldn't get a good pic of it I'm still looking, I think the new one is a bit higher.

[rangerone]

Here is the other MICH helmet. It really isnt more new that the other. They both came out at the same time, but you dont see the one without ear protection very much.

http://www.lightfighter.com/Clothing/Headgear/TC-2001-OD-skew.jpg

[Beloved Shiv]

i dont know what your speaking about i just said it would be cool to see the actors in BHD wear current ranger gear like SPEAR Ranger Armor and M4s and MICH helmets etc.

I'm reasonably confident you can find sources other than Black Hawk Down (or Tears of the Sun, for that matter) to satisfy your gear-fetish. Go see S.W.A.T. or Bad Boys and get your jollies there.

Conceding the film was a Bruckheimer/Ridley Scott production, BHD was essentially a (recent) historical record. Op Irene was an exceptional iteration of American military force countering overwhelming opposition. It was also a sad instance of young soldiers lost for another American initiative our executive leadership ultimately betrayed. Why you consider it pat entertainment is beyond me, but that's just me.

[ibstolidude]

What in the world is SPEAR Ranger Armor??

RBA and the SPEAR system are 2 different things

I have never seen anything called that in the army inventory (NSN'd)

[Beowulf]

Best screen name:..."Hotel Security" lol
A refreshing change from: "DEltA-SEaL-RangER69"
-beowulf

[JiJoMacLE45]

I thought that was cute, too.

[budanski]

OMG. Did you just said "cute"?

[JiJoMacLE45]

Yeah man, cute as in puppy dogs and tulips and Delta guys in Oakleys and Marines in MARPAT. Cute like, oh what have I done, what the hell I'm I talking about. Maybe digitalspook really is haunting me. The horror.

[Gordon]

Yea if you think that was stupid I think it would be cool if Saving Private Ryan/We Were Soldiers was in full modern day gear that would look ever BETTER! The modern day military enthusiasts such as myself would drool over it---

Yeh, and why don't we have cowboys and indians running around with SAW's, M4's and NVG's ... in fact let's have a remake of Spartacus and give the Romans M4's etc and arm the slaves with AK's.

[James]

How abot a remake of "Tha Patriot" w/ colonists carrying M-16s and the Red Coats carrying SA-80s. :D

[hood]

Or worse, steven spielberg going nuts with his thing from ET where they replaced all the guns with radios. Southpark had a great recreation where they did that to saving private ryan...

"...it wouldn't be realistic, but it would be really COOL!"



http://www.militaryphotos.net/images/harassment_emoticon.gif

[digitalghost]

ibstolidude: LMAO YOu dont know what the SPEAR RANGER ARMOR IS??

There is a difference between the RBA and the NEW BRAND NEW*** SPEAR RANGER ARMOR:

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_balcs_01/spear_ranger_08.jpg

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_balcs_01/spear_ranger_06.jpg

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_10.html

Raners wearing spear ranger aromr:

http://www.specwargear.com/images/US%20Army%20SF-34.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/US%20Army%20SF-36.jpg

[martinexsquaddie]

don't they make desert cam covers for the armour then?
see lots of troops in iraq with woodland covers on there armour even the uk managed to issue a load of desert cam covers

[Beowulf]

oh damn...he used a different name for interceptor than you did...you showed him, good work detective high-speed.....
-b

[SABER 2-3]

I'm getting old I have that vest (issue item) and I can't seem to locate the words RANGER SPEAR anywhere. Does this mean that my vest is no good? I got it what if I take a sharpie and write RANGER SPEAR on the front and back, would that work. Better yet I'll put DELTA SABER yea, thats right, stand back...fashon model comming thru.

[Beloved Shiv]

Ghost, do you like, print out all your armor and gun pictures, laminate 'em and take them into the john with you?

Dude, a lot of this stuff is way cool, but you hafta realize what thought processes make "BHD with new weapons and vests 'n stuff!" absolutely uncool.

[Beowulf]

saber...you have defective equipment, I suggest you mail it to me immediately, and i'll dispose of it for you ...free of charge :D
All Best
beowulf

[SABER 2-3]

No problem. I'll DX anything you want . Let me check my statement of charges so that I can tell you what the shipping and handling fee will look like. (this may take awile NJP cases are stacking up lately)

[raid]

This armor is called a SPEAR armor with ranger option (horizontal PALS webbing on front instead of vertical rows originaly created). This was allegedly done per Rangers request, hence the name...

As for the vests used in BHD, most of them were just omega tac vest from which they removed most of the pockets and added a fastex buckle closing feature. If you look close at Bana's set-up, you'll see he's not wearing an urban assault vest because of the mesh you can clearly see on his right shoulder (where a Urban Assault vest would have plain nylon), and the ALICE straps on the upper back where he has a pouch attached (where a Urban Assault vest only has a hydratation pouch without any strap)...

[Haiw]

some more SPEAR and ALICE pictures for u
http://www.aginsinn.com/tiles/spear.jpg
http://www.superflag.com/images/spear-1lg.jpg
http://www.michaelmatherly.com/artimages/indian-spear-1.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0689847432.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

no offense, but who the hell comes up with those dumb names :roll:

[ibstolidude]

well the NSN numbers and nomenclature must be wrong on all the military items, after all...DG must be right he read it on a website.

[SABER 2-3]

STOLI,
Is the interceptor issue in your unit? I really don't think its that hot. I'm gonna go back over to supply section and tell them I know theres a "F-ING RANGER SPECIAL BULLET CATCHER BACK THERE SOMEWHERE; REGUARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW" Freakin supply guys what the hell would they know (even the ones who are actually MOS-Q)

[digitalghost]

SPEAR, ALICE, and MOLLE are acronyms they dindt say "hey guy lets call it alice becasue thats my daughetrs name, spear because its my faciourtie medieval weapon, and molle becuase thats my favourtei pet"

Special Operations Forces Equipment Advanced Requirements (SPEAR) www.sbccom.army.mil/products/cie/SPEAR_BALCS.htm

All Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE) http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/alice_lce_01.html

Modular Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment (MOLLE) http://www.specialtydefense.com/

Whats the deal with this whole SPEAR RANGER Armor thing? Are you saying it exists or not? It's definitely not the MOLLE's Intercepter----- It's the SPEAR Armor--- But a RANGER version-- Heres another site for credibility--


SPEAR RBA

Tri-color desert and Woodland camo SPEAR Ranger Body Armor (RBA).

The armor is very similar to the original SPEAR body armor, except the he front MOLLE straps are sewn horizontally, and there is an drag-man handle at the back. The SPEAR RBA is currently used by the Army Rangers and Special Forces.

http://www.specwargear.com/images/armor&vest-spear%20ranger%203D-1.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/armor&vest-ranger%20spear-1.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/armor&vest-spear%20ranger%203D-2.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/armor&vest.html