Russians might join USA in Afghanistan and Iraq

[RomanS]

In Russian for now. I will translate the most important parts of this article.

http://nvo.ng.ru/printed/forces/2004-06-04/1_studies.html

Russia will be having massive scale training for their forces during the whole summer, and begining of the fall.

More and more Russian higher officers in Ministery of Defence are talking about possibility of joining USA in fight against terrorism in Afganistan, and Iraq. Even months are being called, it should happen around October and November...

[Vance]

I wonder what the locals in A-Stan would do if they saw Russians patrolling their streets again. :|

[Macs.]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

[RomanS]

I wonder what the locals in A-Stan would do if they saw Russians patrolling their streets again. :|

I hope with much more respect, than towards Taliban

[Dennis G]

sounds like good news

Permskii what units will be deployed?

[Bombtrack]

i don't think the locals in A-stan are gonna take it well

[Igor01]

I believe the current exercises are aimed at working out ways of dealing the future Chinese invasion and not to rehearse possible deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq (these are extremely unlikely to ever happen).

The reason for not having massive numbers of troops stationed right at the Chinese border are many, among others it should be noted that it's much easier to accommodate large units deep inside Russian territory where infrastructure, roads, training facilities etc. already exist. Being at some distance from the border also allows for some tactical flexibility in countering future Chinese aggression and gives Russians some room to maneouver and move the forces to the more critical sections of the front.

I hope despite all its corruption and "grab what you can while still in power" attitude the Russian leadership recognize that PRC is the most immediate and real threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia, this thread by far exceeds any other potential conflicts that Russia's other neighbours can cause.

[Bombtrack]

The more militant types already have deluded fantasies of a western takeover, if they see the Russians in there agian, just think of the spins they can put on that!

[Dennis G]

i don't think the locals in A-stan are gonna take it well

I dont think they would either but its good that another country is joining the war on terror

[RomanS]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.

[RomanS]

Denis bro, I don't know what uits.
Most likely 76th Airborne will be there, other VDV units, Marines, and maybe several OSNs.

I can't wait for that day when US and Russia join together. Europe will comit suicide in anger.

[RomanS]

The more militant types already have deluded fantasies of a western takeover, if they see the Russians in there agian, just think of the spins they can put on that!

Its ok, American brothers will back us up. We will have plenty of ammunition.

[Macs.]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.

Germany and france are doing currently more in Afgahnistan then Russia... :roll:

Russia shoud first finish their "problem" in Chechenya before entering the next battlefield.

[RomanS]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.

Germany and france are doing currently more in Afgahnistan then Russia... :roll:

Russia shoud first finish their "problem" in Chechenya before entering the next battlefield.

I wouldnt call it a problem. Chechens blowthemselves up. With their tactics soon they will run out of people, and will get on the black list of many powerful nations.

Germany in Afghanistan? Lol WHY?
Ben Laden is targeting Berlin now?

[Igor01]

Hmmm, here's an article in English that seems to validate Permskii's info (I am personally surprised as hell and still can't believe they'll do that but stranger things happened...)

Russia to send 1,200 peacekeepers to Iraq in July
By JIM HEINTZ
The Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia plans to deploy 1,200 paratroopers to an area around Irbil in northern Iraq by late July, a high-level source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday, as pressure mounted on the government following the G-8 summit to reconsider its long-standing opposition to the US-led reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

"The actual deployment will take place in late July - early August and will be carried out in several stages," the Defense Ministry source said. "Go-ahead orders have been received for necessary preparations for the deployment. A final authorization of the national Security Council is expected next week."

Although the government has repeatedly confirmed its opposition to support the military intervention in Iraq, Russia's WTO membership - a long-standing ambition of President Putin's administration - and the future of the US$20bln loan necessary to sustain Russia's economic growth weigh heavily on Moscow's shifting position on the war in Iraq.

"The government has made a difficult but ultimately necessary decision to align itself with the US in Iraq," said Sergei Mikheyev - analyst with the Political Technologies Center - an indebendent Moscow-based policy think-tank. "The G-8 summit was a turning point for Russia's outdated Middle East policy that will have a positive effect on Russia's relations with the West and on its economic stability"

Russia's Foreign Ministry on Friday hailed the summit of the Group of Eight top industrialized nations, saying its decisions would strengthen global security.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said the G-8's decisions on combating global terrorism and preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction were of particular importance.

[Kilgor]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.

agreed :D

[Macs.]

Germany in Afghanistan? Lol WHY?
Ben Laden is targeting Berlin now?

ISAF - Over 2000 ISAF Soldiers + KSK

+

Enduring Freedom - 300 Soldiers at the horn of africa

+

Active Endeavour - 700 Soldiers

[The .45 says...]

Hmmm, here's an article in English that seems to validate Permskii's info (I am personally surprised as hell and still can't believe they'll do that but stranger things happened...)

Russia to send 1,200 peacekeepers to Iraq in July
By JIM HEINTZ
The Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia plans to deploy 1,200 paratroopers to an area around Irbil in northern Iraq by late July, a high-level source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday, as pressure mounted on the government following the G-8 summit to reconsider its long-standing opposition to the US-led reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

"The actual deployment will take place in late July - early August and will be carried out in several stages," the Defense Ministry source said. "Go-ahead orders have been received for necessary preparations for the deployment. A final authorization of the national Security Council is expected next week."

Although the government has repeatedly confirmed its opposition to support the military intervention in Iraq, Russia's WTO membership - a long-standing ambition of President Putin's administration - and the future of the US$20bln loan necessary to sustain Russia's economic growth weigh heavily on Moscow's shifting position on the war in Iraq.

"The government has made a difficult but ultimately necessary decision to align itself with the US in Iraq," said Sergei Mikheyev - analyst with the Political Technologies Center - an indebendent Moscow-based policy think-tank. "The G-8 summit was a turning point for Russia's outdated Middle East policy that will have a positive effect on Russia's relations with the West and on its economic stability"

Russia's Foreign Ministry on Friday hailed the summit of the Group of Eight top industrialized nations, saying its decisions would strengthen global security.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said the G-8's decisions on combating global terrorism and preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction were of particular importance.

Maybe I'm daft, but as much as I want this to be true, I can't find it anywhere. Do you have a link?

[MEGR]

Well for Iraq, I think it's cool; however, I'm a little skeptical about Russian Afghanistan depolyment.. I mean, isn't there still many Northern Alliance/New Afghan army people that have fought the Russians in the 80s? I would like the Russians to come, and I'm not comparing them to the Soviets, but just trying to see what the veteran afghan soldiers might see if this happened.. I think Shrek would have more insight on this, since he was actually over there.

[Dennis G]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040609/capt.sum13806091534.g8_summit_bush_russia_sum138.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040609/i/r4232494219.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040608/i/r2562597927.jpg





http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040609/capt.sav11706092146.g8_summit_sav117.jpg

From left: Cherie Blair, Bernadette Chirac, Ludwila Putin and Laura Bush walk to a G-8 Summit leaders wives press conference on Sea Island, Ga., Wednesday, June 9, 2004.

[zenmaster]

I'm glad the Russians have decided to join in. It seems that they are breaking out of their post-cold war shell. I will agree, however, that peace in Chechnya (sp?) would probably be in their best interest. I think western Europe will crap their pants when they realize that they are on their own and that the U.S. and Russia are willing to fight terrorism on their behalf only so much.

[Midav]

Welcoming news!

As was talked about before, I hope both Russia and the US band together to start fighting terrorism as one.

[talib_killa34]

Great news! woot

I second the notion that the "Big Boys" can start taking on global terrorism. If China jumped in too, that would be SWEET.

You never know. ;)

[ShotOver]

I can't wait to see US and Russian troops fighting together, will be somthing else.

[Dennis G]

Yes America and Russia could make powerful allies, just think of the possibilities

[Wilco]

Amazing news, I always told my dad this may happen, would love to see a T-80 team talking to an M1 team about their day.

[stuntman]

Amazing news, I always told my dad this may happen, would love to see a T-80 team talking to an M1 team about their day.
WoW that seems like a good operation flash point mission lol.

PermskiiOMON
I was wondering since your one of the photo masters here would you possibly have pics of Russian Federation desert troops wearing the kit to use in these terrains?

[Dennis G]

I too would like to see Russian Soldiers in desert camo

[perdurabo]

So Russians need new problems their own problems are not enough for them?:)

little off topic: i couldnt resist this one :D


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040609/capt.sav11706092146.g8_summit_sav117.jpg

From left: Cherie Blair, Bernadette Chirac, Ludwila Putin and Laura Bush walk to a G-8 Summit leaders wives press conference on Sea Island, Ga., Wednesday, June 9, 2004.
wow your presidents have ugly wifes! rofl rofl
lok at our first lady:
http://www.kurierplus.com/issues/1999/k264/jolka.jpg

[mack pl]

Russian troops under US command?Ohh well, it could be interesting. I guess Russians have a lot troops very well prepared to fighting with terrorism(Chechnya is one big range).So, If Russia will have money for operation like that, its possible to joint to this actions. But I will belive on that when I see first russian unit in A-stan or Iraq ;) BTW every soldiers who will fighting against terrorism are welcome :)

@Perdurabo-Yeah, our Jola is cool :D


regards

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.
I can't think of any reasons why it would piss them off I think this is just a case of wishfull thinking Permskii as every nation in Europe knows that we need Russia onboard.

[mack pl]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.
I can't think of any reasons why it would piss them off I think this is just a case of wishfull thinking Permskii as every nation in Europe knows that we need Russia onboard.

I guess Germany and France were pissed off only at Poland year ago, but Russia is super duper power(Permskii belive on that), so Ger. and Fr. cannot say them anything like-"bad Russia, bad" ;)


@bacilicus...-Cool avatar(yeah, monkey avatar club is big,lol)

regards

[Nizark]

I believe the current exercises are aimed at working out ways of dealing the future Chinese invasion and not to rehearse possible deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq (these are extremely unlikely to ever happen).

The reason for not having massive numbers of troops stationed right at the Chinese border are many, among others it should be noted that it's much easier to accommodate large units deep inside Russian territory where infrastructure, roads, training facilities etc. already exist. Being at some distance from the border also allows for some tactical flexibility in countering future Chinese aggression and gives Russians some room to maneouver and move the forces to the more critical sections of the front.

I hope despite all its corruption and "grab what you can while still in power" attitude the Russian leadership recognize that PRC is the most immediate and real threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia, this thread by far exceeds any other potential conflicts that Russia's other neighbours can cause.


What are you smoking? Chinese invasion? The chinese cant invade taiwan, let alone RUSSIA

[ronin2172]

I believe the current exercises are aimed at working out ways of dealing the future Chinese invasion and not to rehearse possible deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq (these are extremely unlikely to ever happen).

The reason for not having massive numbers of troops stationed right at the Chinese border are many, among others it should be noted that it's much easier to accommodate large units deep inside Russian territory where infrastructure, roads, training facilities etc. already exist. Being at some distance from the border also allows for some tactical flexibility in countering future Chinese aggression and gives Russians some room to maneouver and move the forces to the more critical sections of the front.

I hope despite all its corruption and "grab what you can while still in power" attitude the Russian leadership recognize that PRC is the most immediate and real threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia, this thread by far exceeds any other potential conflicts that Russia's other neighbours can cause.


What are you smoking? Chinese invasion? The chinese cant invade taiwan, let alone RUSSIA
don't believe that...a chinese invasion of siberia is quite feasible and they have had border disputes in the past. Look at a map...see how huge that border is. Siberia is the largest mineralogical treasure house in the world, not to mention a huge source of timber and for a nation with a growing economy and hungry for resources like China is, it would be tempting.

U r right the chinese can't invade Taiwan but invading Siberia is a whole different thing. The chinese have no experience in a major amphibious op, and they don't have the navy to deal with the US Navy; however a land invasion is right up the alley of the chinese military. To invade Taiwan they would essentially have only one avenue of attack in Siberia they would have multiple ones. Chinese SF could infiltrate the Siberian border with ease and cause major havoc.

China has the numbers and they r getting better equipment every day. There r no major urban centers to get caught up in and if they move fast enough they could grab a good sized chunk and consilidate their hold before the russians could mount a counter-attack.

Communist era Russia was more than strong enough to ward off a chinese attack, for instance the russian navy could have attacked the chinese coast in strength and eliminated the chinese navy with ease. On the ground u would have had T64s, T80s, T72s, and such going up against modified T55s. In the air u would have had MIG 25s, 29s, 31s, Su25s, Su 27s going up against modified Mig 21s. The russian military is a shadow of it's former self and a major combat op like an invasion would put it under a lot of strain. The huge tech gap has shrunken and the chinese have invested enormous sums of money not only to get better tanks an such but info war capabilties as well.

The one thing the russians do have is experience. The last major chinese op was against Vietnam (which didn't go so well) and that was in the late 70s early 80s. While Russia has fought or is fighting in 3 conflicts...true it would be a different type of war but combat experience is combat experience and would count for something.

If china was to invade Siberia sometime in the near future would be a good time (before the Russian economy and military get back on their feet) It is extremely prudent for russia to have a contingency plan to deal with china. A battle between the two would be a close run thing, and to be unprepared would be fatal

[-Max2-]

don't believe that...a chinese invasion of siberia is quite feasible and they have had border disputes in the past. Look at a map...see how huge that border is. Siberia is the largest mineralogical treasure house in the world, not to mention a huge source of timber and for a nation with a growing economy and hungry for resources like China is, it would be tempting.

U r right the chinese can't invade Taiwan but invading Siberia is a whole different thing. The chinese have no experience in a major amphibious op, and they don't have the navy to deal with the US Navy; however a land invasion is right up the alley of the chinese military. To invade Taiwan they would essentially have only one avenue of attack in Siberia they would have multiple ones. Chinese SF could infiltrate the Siberian border with ease and cause major havoc.

China has the numbers and they r getting better equipment every day. There r no major urban centers to get caught up in and if they move fast enough they could grab a good sized chunk and consilidate their hold before the russians could mount a counter-attack.

Communist era Russia was more than strong enough to ward off a chinese attack, for instance the russian navy could have attacked the chinese coast in strength and eliminated the chinese navy with ease. On the ground u would have had T64s, T80s, T72s, and such going up against modified T55s. In the air u would have had MIG 25s, 29s, 31s, Su25s, Su 27s going up against modified Mig 21s. The russian military is a shadow of it's former self and a major combat op like an invasion would put it under a lot of strain. The huge tech gap has shrunken and the chinese have invested enormous sums of money not only to get better tanks an such but info war capabilties as well.

The one thing the russians do have is experience. The last major chinese op was against Vietnam (which didn't go so well) and that was in the late 70s early 80s. While Russia has fought or is fighting in 3 conflicts...true it would be a different type of war but combat experience is combat experience and would count for something.

If china was to invade Siberia sometime in the near future would be a good time (before the Russian economy and military get back on their feet) It is extremely prudent for russia to have a contingency plan to deal with china. A battle between the two would be a close run thing, and to be unprepared would be fatal

I agree.

It amazes me when i see Russia selling Su-30MK Flanker or Kirov cruisers to China.

Russians are really irresponsible to sell such high-tech equipments to a country who covet Siberia...

[Abbyy]

I agree.

It amazes me when i see Russia selling Su-30MK Flanker or Kirov cruisers to China.

Russians are really irresponsible to sell such high-tech equipments to a country who covet Siberia...

Best way to contain possible enemy is to sell him weapon systems. Because in case of conflict he will out of spare parts very soon :). That is the problem Iran faced long ago. :)

Also while spending money on our weapons they have less money for they own development programs.

[Abbyy]

Also i would like to add that whole message about sending troops seems to be fake for me. This is AP, remember.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Re concerns about afghanistan:
In terms of Northern Alliance, I think they PUBLICLY stated in 2001, that current Russia is no Soviet Union, and that they see it as an ally.
Plus, I remember reading in the Times how Russian Ministry of internal afairs (i think, not 100% sure though) gave some APCs to Northern Alliance, and even some advisors were sent there for a few weeks to 'refresh' their combat skills.
Again I am not 100% sure about it, but if anyone can post a source, it would be great.
EDIT
O yeah, and if RUssia does join us in Afganistan, adn Iraq that would be a dream come true! woot

[mack pl]

Re concerns about afghanistan:
In terms of Northern Alliance, I think they PUBLICLY stated in 2001, that current Russia is no Soviet Union, and that they see it as an ally.
Plus, I remember reading in the Times how Russian Ministry of internal afairs (i think, not 100% sure though) gave some APCs to Northern Alliance, and even some advisors were sent there for a few weeks to 'refresh' their combat skills.

Ok, but Im not sure northern alliance(or anyone else) in A-stan will be very happy to see 5 000 Russians here (again).

[Roger Rabbit]

I'd be interrested to see what some of the people here who have been to Afghanistan think about this. Also what the official and unoffical line is from the Coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Re concerns about afghanistan:
In terms of Northern Alliance, I think they PUBLICLY stated in 2001, that current Russia is no Soviet Union, and that they see it as an ally.
Plus, I remember reading in the Times how Russian Ministry of internal afairs (i think, not 100% sure though) gave some APCs to Northern Alliance, and even some advisors were sent there for a few weeks to 'refresh' their combat skills.

Ok, but Im not sure northern alliance(or anyone else) in A-stan will be very happy to see 5 000 Russians here (again).
Officially, the NA have accepted help from Russia in 2001.
Plus, if this goes through, the Afghans only stand to benefit from russian deployment.

[mack pl]

Re concerns about afghanistan:
In terms of Northern Alliance, I think they PUBLICLY stated in 2001, that current Russia is no Soviet Union, and that they see it as an ally.
Plus, I remember reading in the Times how Russian Ministry of internal afairs (i think, not 100% sure though) gave some APCs to Northern Alliance, and even some advisors were sent there for a few weeks to 'refresh' their combat skills.

Ok, but Im not sure northern alliance(or anyone else) in A-stan will be very happy to see 5 000 Russians here (again).
Officially, the NA have accepted help from Russia in 2001.
Plus, if this goes through, the Afghans only stand to benefit from russian deployment.
but you cannot be sure that they(Afghans) will be very glad to see Russian troops in A-stan. Even if Karzai government agree on that, some local afghani commanders could be pissed off. I mean, they remember war against soviets, and this memorys arent good. So, Russian could have big problems here with CIMIC or something like that. But If Russia sent to A-stan only some little specnaz units, it could be different situations. I guess more possible is that Russia will sent troops to Iraq.

pozdro

[Pille1234]

Ok, but Im not sure northern alliance(or anyone else) in A-stan will be very happy to see 5 000 Russians here (again).
Hehe, why not? Imagine German troops in 1950 in Stalingrad: "ACHTUNG! We're here to help now!" :lol:
I'm sure ppl would have appreciated that rofl

[anonymous individual]

I think 16 Obr has mentioned Russia giving out equipment and training to North Alliance.

As far as sending sololy specnaz units into Afghan, wouldn't that mean the units have to depend the US and other courties for backup, fire support and resupply over there? By that, I mean if Russia does not send regular troops over there?

[J-10]

don't believe that...a chinese invasion of siberia is quite feasible and they have had border disputes in the past. Look at a map...see how huge that border is. Siberia is the largest mineralogical treasure house in the world, not to mention a huge source of timber and for a nation with a growing economy and hungry for resources like China is, it would be tempting...


How absurd you are! Where are you from? Japan?

Russia and China already finished border works and China buy oil and power from Russia, we are friends each other now, no problems between us now and in future.

If you are a Japanese, ok, I wish U.S. Army stay(occupy) in Japan forever! :D

[mack pl]

we are friends each other now, no problems between us now and in future.

and you are second Nostradamus, yeah ;) Why you are so sure that in future it will be no problems?

[mack pl]

I think 16 Obr has mentioned Russia giving out equipment and training to North Alliance.

cool, but its not the same situation like sending regular troops to A-stan. Like I say before, Russians could have problems with local afghani units and citizens.....but maybe they forgott about soviets soldiers in A-stan ;)

regards

[Haiw]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.
I can't think of any reasons why it would piss them off I think this is just a case of wishfull thinking Permskii as every nation in Europe knows that we need Russia onboard.

I guess Germany and France were pissed off only at Poland year ago, but Russia is super duper power(Permskii belive on that), so Ger. and Fr. cannot say them anything like-"bad Russia, bad" ;)
They can stop giving loans though... :lol:

[perdurabo]

I wonder how the russian military want to finance that.

Im sure this will piss off not only Germany, but France as well.

But its ok, let the big boys take care of the world terrorism.
I can't think of any reasons why it would piss them off I think this is just a case of wishfull thinking Permskii as every nation in Europe knows that we need Russia onboard.

I guess Germany and France were pissed off only at Poland year ago, but Russia is super duper power(Permskii belive on that), so Ger. and Fr. cannot say them anything like-"bad Russia, bad" ;)
They can stop giving loans though... :lol:
or selling food to russia :lol:

[sethen]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl

[UkrainianAmerican]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl
Please tell me you werent really in the U.S Army.

[Haiw]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl
Please tell me you werent really in the U.S Army.
Please tell me you never will be. :lol:

[mack pl]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl
Please tell me you werent really in the U.S Army.
Please tell me you never will be. :lol:
rofl good one ;)

PS. who think Russia will sent this troops to A-stan and Iraq?
my vote-No, i dont belive on that ;)

[SOG]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl
Please tell me you werent really in the U.S Army.
Please tell me you never will be. :lol:

please tell me your both right! ;)

[intelligenzija]

I doubt heavily that russia will send troops to afghanistan.

[Russian Texan]

BS story, will never happen.

Russia doesn't like/trust US and US doesn't like/trust Russia any less than they did during Cold War.

US likes to solve its problems with other countries soldiers (i.e. Iraq) and is willing to pay for it, I just hope Russian government has a shred of human decency left and will not send its boys to die for Uncle Sam.

[1071]

Russia to send 1,200 peacekeepers to Iraq in July
By JIM HEINTZ
The Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia plans to deploy 1,200 paratroopers to an area around Irbil in northern Iraq by late July, a high-level source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday, as pressure mounted on the government following the G-8 summit to reconsider its long-standing opposition to the US-led reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

"The actual deployment will take place in late July - early August and will be carried out in several stages," the Defense Ministry source said. "Go-ahead orders have been received for necessary preparations for the deployment. A final authorization of the national Security Council is expected next week."

Although the government has repeatedly confirmed its opposition to support the military intervention in Iraq, Russia's WTO membership - a long-standing ambition of President Putin's administration - and the future of the US$20bln loan necessary to sustain Russia's economic growth weigh heavily on Moscow's shifting position on the war in Iraq.

"The government has made a difficult but ultimately necessary decision to align itself with the US in Iraq," said Sergei Mikheyev - analyst with the Political Technologies Center - an indebendent Moscow-based policy think-tank. "The G-8 summit was a turning point for Russia's outdated Middle East policy that will have a positive effect on Russia's relations with the West and on its economic stability"

Russia's Foreign Ministry on Friday hailed the summit of the Group of Eight top industrialized nations, saying its decisions would strengthen global security.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said the G-8's decisions on combating global terrorism and preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction were of particular importance.

[mack pl]

Well, 1200 its not big number, but even this contingent could helped in Iraq. But, the most important is that they have no plans to sent troops to A-stan, only Iraq.

@RT- well, maybe they dont like eachother, but they could cooperate , in Kosovo or Bosnia for example.

[UkrainianAmerican]

After what happened to the Russians in A-stan I find it inpossible to beleive that Russians would even dare contemplate such stupidity, regardless of how much money the US tried to brieb them with. That would be like the US doing a second Vietnam. America supports terrorist and heroin lords in A-stan against the Russians and now They come in and help the US fight the same clique of cut throats!!!!! :cantbeli: Hell is about to freeze over. rofl
Please tell me you werent really in the U.S Army.
Please tell me you never will be. :lol:
Probably not in the next few years (College).

[Russian Texan]

Well, 1200 its not big number, but even this contingent could helped in Iraq. But, the most important is that they have no plans to sent troops to A-stan, only Iraq.

@RT- well, maybe they dont like eachother, but they could cooperate , in Kosovo or Bosnia for example.

Just like Poland cooperating with the US and all the benefits/profitable contracts that came out of that "cooperation"?

US will write a $20bil check, some Russian government officials/ generals will pocket it and Russian soldiers will end up paying the price...
F*** "cooperation"

[usa320]

I think having more troops and allies is always a good thing.

But i think the Russians are going to need a hell of a hearts and minds approach if they want the people to respect them in Afghanistan.

Iraq on the other hand, i think the Russians would work nicely with our guys.

[Abbyy]

I doubt heavily that russia will send troops to afghanistan.

Russia already did it :) When Northern alliance took Kabul and US troops established theur presence in Kabul airport, 12 IL-76s landed here one by one with "Emergency ministry workers" . This action spreaded some kind of panic among US troops here because there was 12 planes instead of 4 previously discussed. And many "workers" (if not all) were professionals from SpN and other army units. :)

Correct me if i was wrong in some details. :)

[mack pl]

Just like Poland cooperating with the US and all the benefits/profitable contracts that came out of that "cooperation"?
ohh well, you have right, none contracts(I mean big contracts),but we didnt support USA only for money ;) We are real friend and allie ;) :lol:


US will write a $20bil check, some Russian government officials/ generals will pocket it and Russian soldiers will end up paying the price...
F*** "cooperation"
well, if you affraid that Russian soldiers will be mercs or something, hmmm, maybe they shouldn't go there :| But maybe Putin will sent them only because he want to show how strong Russia is,you know, "super power" or something like that, and he dont want to any contracts :| :roll:

regards

PS. Pożyjemy zobaczymy ;)

[Luxembourger]

possibility of joining USA in fight against terrorism in Afganistan, and Iraq

I am sure this will never happen unfortunatly.
I really would like to see russians in iraq with us forces.

[SOG]

well, i as a american would love to see russians and US together, old war sentiment aside and dying every day. i grew up with military here and there around me and that russia was "this" and "that" and the russians probably did also, and year after year we will hopefully shovel that **** aside along with the cold war and forge on.

[ronin2172]

don't believe that...a chinese invasion of siberia is quite feasible and they have had border disputes in the past. Look at a map...see how huge that border is. Siberia is the largest mineralogical treasure house in the world, not to mention a huge source of timber and for a nation with a growing economy and hungry for resources like China is, it would be tempting...


How absurd you are! Where are you from? Japan?

Russia and China already finished border works and China buy oil and power from Russia, we are friends each other now, no problems between us now and in future.

If you are a Japanese, ok, I wish U.S. Army stay(occupy) in Japan forever! :D
how absurd r u jackass...anything is possible...did i say it was probable no...all i said was china has the ability to invade siberia if it wanted to...read the ****ing post u dumbass...and no i am not japanese and the US army is hardly occupying Japan, do u see US soldiers guarding street corners or conducting checkpoints? STFU. And do u have a crystal ball? can u tell what is going to happen a year from now...10 years from now? So what if they sell u oil, what if they drastically rose the price of oil, and siberia has more than that to offer. If the russians had a percieved weakness how tempting would it be for the worlds largest army to attempt a land grab....

[mack pl]

don't believe that...a chinese invasion of siberia is quite feasible and they have had border disputes in the past. Look at a map...see how huge that border is. Siberia is the largest mineralogical treasure house in the world, not to mention a huge source of timber and for a nation with a growing economy and hungry for resources like China is, it would be tempting...


How absurd you are! Where are you from? Japan?

Russia and China already finished border works and China buy oil and power from Russia, we are friends each other now, no problems between us now and in future.

If you are a Japanese, ok, I wish U.S. Army stay(occupy) in Japan forever! :D
how absurd r u jackass...anything is possible...did i say it was probable no...all i said was china has the ability to invade siberia if it wanted to...read the f*** post u dumbass...and no i am not japanese and the US army is hardly occupying Japan, do u see US soldiers guarding street corners or conducting checkpoints? STFU. And do u have a crystal ball? can u tell what is going to happen a year from now...10 years from now? So what if they sell u oil, what if they drastically rose the price of oil, and siberia has more than that to offer. If the russians had a percieved weakness how tempting would it be for the worlds largest army to attempt a land grab....
Like i say before-he is second Nostradamus, mate ;) :lol:

[stuntman]

After all the Chinese vs Russia comments, lets not forget I think Russia still has the largest nuke arsenal and they won't hesitate to use it just like we didn't fellas!

Plus our green berets are already training Russian soldiers (joke)
http://www.nato.int/pictures/ifor/960624a.jpg

[ronin2172]

this board has a lot of those it seems mack!lol rofl
Stuntman, like i said it is feasible for china to do it....i didn't say it was probable, i just said it was possible. The person i was responding to said china can't (ie doesn't have the ability to) which is wrong. Can't and won't r two different things

[RomanS]

I personally want Russia and USA to become best friends.

I'm freaking sick of the constant "fuk you Russia, no fuk you US. Our **** is better, oh yeah? We are richer. You guys suck."

Why do my kids have to live through this ****. Culturaly we are different, but deep inside we want the same thing. To live in comfort, without serious problems and complications.

Thats why Russia and USA must work together, and become the best friends. Both Russia and USA are guilty of creating many nasty conflicts around the world since the WW2.

WHY? So that one can show off a longer ****? But the other side doesn't care how long is your ****. Their **** is wider. I'm sick of living like this.

No wonder terrorists are enjoying the beef between Russia and US. Thats what they need, thats what they want. They will *** in the orgasm if Russia and USA will fight eachother. Because they can't face us like man to man. Soldier to soldier.

Two powers combining together always equals a bigger power, and much stronger. The best way to live in this live is when we both depend on eachother. This way we can resolve the conflicts faster.

Russia can learn a lot from American economy, and constitutional rights. I don't care what anyone says but in USA human has great rights, and freedom. Russia can take notes on some of those great features that USA has perfected since the WW2.

Why the fuk should we hate eachother, when instead of spending billions of dollars on weapons and **** rings, we should find a cure for diabetes, cancer of all kinds, and stretch out our life span.

Seriously, an average life span in this world is 50-60 years.
What the hell.
With all the new toys of entertainment, education, and electronics coming out, we just don't have anough time in our life to play with it all. By the age of 50 we worry about health too much. With the money we have, brains, and technology I'm sure we can come up with a better plan to live. Living for 200 years. I know some might say, I don't wanna live forever, but people...

Life is so short right now.

I pray that Russia will become friends with USA and will get rid of all the terrorists.

[rob]

while i think it would be great to have russians and americans working together again i dont think i should be in afganistan. to mcuh of a history with afganistan and russia. better leave as that. but in iraq i would love to see their help.

[Milkman]

Denis bro, I don't know what uits.
Most likely 76th Airborne will be there, other VDV units, Marines, and maybe several OSNs.

I can't wait for that day when US and Russia join together. Europe will comit suicide in anger.
Muahaha I would like to see that. :D

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I can't wait for that day when US and Russia join together. Europe will comit suicide in anger.
You know who you are starting to sound like Permskii.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

[RomanS]

stop being jealous

[Marmot1]

I can't wait for that day when US and Russia join together. Europe will comit suicide in anger.
You know who you are starting to sound like Permskii.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

LOL sending russians for peacekeeping in A-stan is like sending Wermacht to protect peace in middle east... rofl rofl rofl rofl

In Iraq things my be diferent but I woul'd love to see Russians under US command... since now ALL foreces in Iraq are under Central Command orders... and I thing it must remain centralized....

[EvanL]

stop being jealoushahaha thats just funny.
Jealous of what?

[Marmot1]

My first sugestion pass control over prisons in iraq to russians they have a lot of EXPERIENCE with POW's handling from Chechenya, so things would run smoother and after that Iraqis would beg for US MP's and everyone would remember Abu Gharib as a summen camp woot

[Romulus]

Why the fuk should we hate eachother, when instead of spending billions of dollars on weapons and **** rings, we should find a cure for diabetes, cancer of all kinds, and stretch out our life span.

Will these "**** rings" be covered under my HMO plan?


I do agree with you PermskiiOMON. When the US and Russia start working together great things can and will be accomplished. Slowly but surely the cold war rhetoric is dying off and we are working closer "together" (Space programs, police exchange programs, Tatu, etc...) as our nations move into the future.

[talib_killa34]

I can't wait for that day when US and Russia join together. Europe will comit suicide in anger.
You know who you are starting to sound like Permskii.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

CLASSIC

...Stop..mangling...english...language.... rofl

[Macs.]

The reason why russia wants to get their troops into iraq is not because Putin wants to "fight terrorism" or wants to be a help the US, its simply because of the money.

[Romulus]

The reason why russia wants to get their troops into iraq is not because Putin wants to "fight terrorism" or wants to be a help the US, its simply because of the money

Yeah it's a real goldmine in Iraq. :roll:

[Macs.]

The reason why russia wants to get their troops into iraq is not because Putin wants to "fight terrorism" or wants to be a help the US, its simply because of the money

Yeah it's a real goldmine in Iraq. :roll:

Well, actually it is.

[Mark Sman]

Russia not to send troops to Iraq – Yakovenko

11.06.2004, 14.49





MOSCOW, June 11 (Itar-Tass) - Russia “does not plan sending its servicemen to Iraq”, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said.

“The situation with security in the country remains complex, and the Russian Foreign Ministry believes inexpedient the return of specialists of Russian companies there. They can return only when necessary conditions will be created,” Yakovenko said.

As for Iraq’s debts, he said the “problem must be solved in the Paris Club”.

Yakovenko said the last resolution of the UN Security Council, contained a “point about the conduction of an international conference on Iraq, but preparation of it is not going so far”.

“Russia considers such forum useful for maintaining relations of Iraq’s new government with neighbours and hopes that it will take place,” he said.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=932888&PageNum=0

[talib_killa34]

Huh.

Well, there you go! :(

[GazB]

Germany and france are doing currently more in Afgahnistan then Russia...

Ummm, actually without Russian support through the 90s the Northern Alliance would have folded and then who would the Americans have used to fight the war for them on the ground? American airpower in the conflict was very effective but only because the Northern Alliance consitituted a ground force that forced the Taleban to gather its forces to fight. Needless to say that without large ground forces the US airforce would have had no targets as the taleban would have no reason to bunch up. With ground forces the Taleban needed to either group up to fight the ground forces or disperse... if they disperse the NA could defeat them in small groups, if the got together to fight back the US airpower smashed them.


In Iraq things my be diferent but I woul'd love to see Russians under US command...

The Russians in Kosovo were under British command in theory. Why do you have such a problem?


while i think it would be great to have russians and americans working together again i dont think i should be in afganistan. to mcuh of a history with afganistan and russia. better leave as that. but in iraq i would love to see their help.

The British have a much longer and murkier history in afghansitan yet they are there too are the not? (Three wars to create a land opium route to China is not their finest hour).

[OB Kenobi]

LOL sending russians for peacekeeping in A-stan is like sending Wermacht to protect peace in middle east... rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's exactly what they should do. Let France and Germany occupy Israelastine, deal with the Zionists and terrorists, just like they did during the first Crusades.

[UkrainianAmerican]

LOL sending russians for peacekeeping in A-stan is like sending Wermacht to protect peace in middle east... rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's exactly what they should do. Let France and Germany occupy Israelastine, deal with the Zionists and terrorists, just like they did during the first Crusades.
Hahahaha!
I would love to see that happen. I can just see them getting abused by stone-throwing paleos, and getting their ass saved by Israelis. ahahahhahaha!

[Javehn]

LOL sending russians for peacekeeping in A-stan is like sending Wermacht to protect peace in middle east... rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's exactly what they should do. Let France and Germany occupy Israelastine, deal with the Zionists and terrorists, just like they did during the first Crusades.
Hahahaha!
I would love to see that happen. I can just see them getting abused by stone-throwing paleos, and getting their ass saved by Israelis. ahahahhahaha!

That happend allready ... With Amnesty , no more no less .

OB , it's that time to zip it , **** .

[anonymous individual]

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