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Fage
10-17-2008, 02:13 AM
A Bailout Beijing Would Cheer

By David Ignatius (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/david+ignatius/)
Thursday, October 16, 2008

We are all Chinese now. That is, we have a nominally capitalist economy, but we don't trust the freewheeling private market when it comes to the crunch. So we turn to the government for protection and stability

The new interventionism isn't so much socialist as it is Confucian -- a belief that a public-private partnership of the wise ones will get us out of the mess. And if it's any consolation, the Chinese are becoming more like us, even as we are becoming more like them.

A Chinese preview of this week's government-funded recapitalization of the banks came in the Hong Kong stock market crash of August 1998. To counter a typhoon of speculation that had battered the local market, Chinese authorities intervened to buy up sagging stocks with public money. The government spent $15.1 billion to acquire about 7.3 percent of the companies in the blue-chip Hang Seng Index.

Free-market partisans in the West were shocked by the Chinese intervention and decried it as a dangerous precedent. But it helped stabilize the Hong Kong market. Now, that earlier bailout seems modest indeed -- compared with the quasi-nationalization of the world's leading banks we're seeing this week.

The Chinese have stayed edgy about markets, even as their version of capitalism has created unprecedented growth and prosperity. They preferred to run very large trade surpluses, a kind of forced public saving, rather than spend their new wealth. And they resisted pressure to revalue their currency upward, as market forces would have dictated, because they feared the consequences.

A Chinese central banker explained to me in Beijing a few years ago that he believed Japan's "lost decade" of economic stagnation was a result of letting the Japanese yen appreciate too rapidly during the boom years, and that the Chinese wouldn't make the same mistake. The Chinese were also squeamish as they watched the Russians during their wild "oligarch capitalism" phase in the 1990s. The Russian model was too raucous, too rapacious.

It will take many months for the dust of this crisis to settle and to make judgments about the shape of the new order. But already, my favorite futurist, Peter Schwartz of the Monitor Group, predicts that we are entering a new political and economic paradigm. "Clearly, we have just moved a big step away from democratic capitalism," he says.

One source of instability that must be fixed is the structural imbalance in global trade that came to be known as "Bretton Woods II." Essentially, it meant that the Chinese and other Asian economies would run large trade surpluses and fund the corresponding U.S. trade deficits by buying Treasury bonds -- in effect lending us the money to finance our overconsumption. That helped create the huge pools of capital that sloshed around international markets, and the low interest rates that encouraged investors to take too many risks.

The Bretton Woods II regime must evolve into something more stable. In the simplest terms, the fix will require more consumption by China, and less by the United States. It's a tricky transition: After the shocks of the past few months, the Chinese will want to be less vulnerable to global markets; they will put more emphasis on domestic growth and consumption and less on export markets. But China and the West still need each other, perhaps more than ever.

One hopeful sign last week was that the Chinese were moving toward private ownership, even as America and Europe were moving away from it. The Chinese government announced a new rural policy aimed at allowing millions of farmers to own the land they have been working. This would create a huge new reserve of private wealth in China, which could power domestic spending and growth.

The reality that has come home to all of us during the great panic of 2008 is that nobody likes living on the knife-edge of the market. We want the dynamism and flexibility that a capitalist economy uniquely provides. But we want protection, too -- a safety net for ourselves and our families when markets fail.

Lucky, prosperous people disdain this human need for protection when times are good and relief is going to the destitute and unlucky. But let's not hear any more thundering about self-reliance and the "school of hard knocks" from the bankers and trust-fund babies who are the beneficiaries of the bailout. We are all Chinese now, for better or worse, and we're all eating from the same bowl.

The writer is co-host of PostGlobal (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/), an online discussion of international issues. His e-mail address is davidignatius@washpost.com (davidignatius@washpost.com).

Source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/15/AR2008101503163.html

Hippo
10-17-2008, 02:59 AM
I love it when chicoms post. All they do is copy and paste something pro-China from another website and add it here without any input. Even in their rebuttals all they do is copy paste pro-china crap from other sources. Cant you speak your own words? Cant you post your own thoughts? Or are you too stupid to provide any personal input to any discussion and instead rely on the words of others just to prove your point that LOL CHINA STRONG!!!111oneone

Mousepad
10-17-2008, 09:30 AM
I love it when chicoms post. All they do is copy and paste something pro-China from another website and add it here without any input. Even in their rebuttals all they do is copy paste pro-china crap from other sources. Cant you speak your own words? Cant you post your own thoughts? Or are you too stupid to provide any personal input to any discussion and instead rely on the words of others just to prove your point that LOL CHINA STRONG!!!111oneone

I've been monitoring this board for 2 years before reg, as long as i remember, when Chinese actually were writing they own thoughts, the usually get ban, or infraction, well actually they were printing propaganda crap, but anyways copy+paste is safer.

Oh, and LOL RUSSIA STRONG!!!111

Bohemoth
10-17-2008, 10:55 AM
What a naive man who wrote that article. Governmental intervention is no exception in capitalist societies. All free market economies in our world are not completely deregulated, but work within a certain framework. The governmental intervention we see now in many countries has nothing to do with communism. It's just the horrendous amount of money the banks get from their governments, which worry the tax payers.

seathru
10-17-2008, 01:16 PM
I love it when chicoms post. All they do is copy and paste something pro-China from another website and add it here without any input. Even in their rebuttals all they do is copy paste pro-china crap from other sources. Cant you speak your own words? Cant you post your own thoughts? Or are you too stupid to provide any personal input to any discussion and instead rely on the words of others just to prove your point that LOL CHINA STRONG!!!111oneone


I've been monitoring this board for 2 years before reg, as long as i remember, when Chinese actually were writing they own thoughts, the usually get ban, or infraction, well actually they were printing propaganda crap, but anyways copy+paste is safer.

Guys, I know the truth hurts sometimes. But instead of resorting to personal attack, which is pretty much meaningless and a total waste of time when used against some anonymous web posters, can you offer a single counter-point to the article itself?

While generally agreeing with the article, I find a mistake in the following:

One hopeful sign last week was that the Chinese were moving toward private ownership, even as America and Europe were moving away from it. The Chinese government announced a new rural policy aimed at allowing millions of farmers to own the land they have been working.This is not true. What the Chinese are debating is not private ownership of the land, which is prohibited in the constitution, but the private ownership of land-use contract. The Chinese are too smart to ignore the lessons from Philippine's land reform.

In the 1930s, under the direction of their colonial overlord - who else? the good old U.S.A! the Filipino peasants were allowed private ownership and free trading of their land. It was a disaster. Hundreds of thousands peasants sold their land to big companies and became landless. They moved to big cities, hoping for a better life. These resulted in famine and rampant unemployment, and pretty much destroyed the Filipino economy. Now the government of Philippine started to buy back the lands and redistribute these back to the peasants. It was a 70-year detour and an incalculable cost in Philippine's development. The cautionary tale from this is that, sometimes you have to be careful to what the U.S. and the West tell you to do, and sometimes it is better to do the opposite!

Mr.Flint
10-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Guys, I know the truth hurts sometimes. But instead of resorting to personal attack, which is pretty much meaningless and a total waste of time when used against some anonymous web posters, can you offer a single counter-point to the article itself?


We are all Chinese now. That is, we have a nominally capitalist economy, but we don't trust the freewheeling private market when it comes to the crunch. So we turn to the government for protection and stability

Yes, when its the government fault, that the market became unstable, due to its interference (ie the so called private market, is not so private thanks to the Socialists in the government)

And the rest of the article is based on a completely wrong assumption, that was addressed above.