Fatwa Against Arab Television Station Owners Who Screen *** On Arab TV

[C.MAXIMUS]

Saudi Cleric Issues Fatwa Against Arab Television Station Owners Who Screen *** On Arab TV


http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.tv-30794-israelnews-saudi-cleric-issues-fatwa-against-arab-television-station-owners-who

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[Calanen]

The narrator sounded like she was being asked to read the news item at gunpoint.

[C.MAXIMUS]

The narrator sounded like she was being asked to read the news item at gunpoint.

I like the news channel but you do have a point... damm, she has a strong accent!rofl

[Calanen]

Pr0rnographic innuendo? Man they were just some boring video clips with girls wearing evening gowns? If that's **** then they need to get out more. Well of course they do.

Now, the second highest guy in Saudi justice, issues a fatwa for people to kill the owners of Arab satellite television stations. Good moderate policy there. How about issuing a fatwa to kill some Taliban? Or maybe an Al Quada or two - aren't they *defaming* your religion after all? But no no, Arab satellite TV and cartoons is a far more important thing to issue fatwas about. Why, actually blowing innocent people up in the name of religion is way down the list of things that might be offensive.

That's some fantastic sharia for you right there. Why wouldnt we want Sharia courts in the UK when they can dispense such just outcomes. And as the person being interviewed said, they didnt even get a trial or the ability to present their side of the story. Such things as procedural fairness and a fair hearing is just time wasting and pointless - sharia dictatorial rulings killing television station owners for screening video clips - is a much cheaper, fairer and enlightened system than our current one - isnt it?

[jokuvaan]

I expect culture clash in Saudi-Arabia, gap between normal folk and clerics grows, something similar as in Iran today in the long term.

[dava]

How about issuing a fatwa to kill some Taliban? Or maybe an Al Quada or two - aren't they *defaming* your religion after all? But no no, Arab satellite TV and cartoons is a far more important thing to issue fatwas about. Why, actually blowing innocent people up in the name of religion is way down the list of things that might be offensive.


http://www.saudiembassy.net/2004News/Press/PressDetail.asp?cIndex=217
Or they already did. But ofcouse, maybe they should include something like below with every fatwa right?

DISCLAIMER : for our western viewers, we do stress we already isseud a fatwa against acts of terrorism.

But pls do keep preaching hate Calanen.

[Laworkerbee]

But pls do keep preaching hate Calanen.

Find me one instance of him preaching hate you Poofter, the man has an opinion and should be allowed to express it without Nazi's like you calling him names.

FFS!

[dava]

Priceless.
You call me a nazi because my opinion about Calanen is one of him preaching hate while at the same time you make the argument that people should be entitled to an opinion without people calling them names.

Smart move there.

And pls continue to ignore my statements about his argument in 'not issueing a fatwa against terrorism' or the use of highly controversial sources for all of his nice news items.

[Lazy Lob]

But pls do keep preaching hate Calanen.

I'm sure Calanen can defend himself but he never has "preached" hate except against hate itself. It seems you may not be seeing the wood for the trees.

[Laworkerbee]

Priceless.
You call me a nazi because my opinion about Calanen is one of him preaching hate while at the same time you make the argument that people should be entitled to an opinion without people calling them names.

And "hate preacher" isn't a title eh? I'm just pointing out your double standards, your bull**** tires me.

[dava]

Whatever - me and many other europeans here on this board have long enough expressed our views about his preaching. "Wake up Europe, tmr your women will have to wear hijabs, you will have to implement Sharia and the white male will be a rare item'. Thats the basic Calanen post. I call that fear mongering and hate preaching.

You may see his views as the truth, i certainly don't. Overlooking simple facts that most of his stories come from shabby news services with names as 'the voice of conservatism in europe' and that he makes unbased assumptions such as 'why don't they issue a fatwa against terrorism?' is enough in my book to label him someone who tries to manipulate public opinion.

If i am to use your reasoning, we could better just abolish this board. Cause expressing an opinion will always get in the way of the opinion of another one.

[Lazy Lob]

Are you sure yooz a Uroopean?


BTW what does "dava" mean?

[dava]

Are we going personal here?
Indeed, better make sure i m not another one of those strange coloured people with Hussein as a middle name. Those cannot be trusted for sure.

[Laworkerbee]

Whatever - me and many other europeans here on this board have long enough expressed our views about his preaching. "Wake up Europe, tmr your women will have to wear hijabs, you will have to implement Sharia and the white male will be a rare item'. Thats the basic Calanen post. I call that fear mongering and hate preaching.

You may see his views as the truth, i certainly don't. Overlooking simple facts that most of his stories come from shabby news services with names as 'the voice of conservatism in europe' and that he makes unbased assumptions such as 'why don't they issue a fatwa against terrorism?' is enough in my book to label him someone who tries to manipulate public opinion.

If i am to use your reasoning, we could better just abolish this board. Cause expressing an opinion will always get in the way of the opinion of another one.

I'm not here to justify Calanen, he can do that for himself. I am calling you out on referring to him as a "hate preacher". You do not get a free pass to label people as you choose and yet escape being labeled yourself.

I myself do not fear Muslims at all though like to poke fun at the Islamic Fundamentalists.

[SBL]

Are we going personal here?
Indeed, better make sure i m not another one of those strange coloured people with Hussein as a middle name. Those cannot be trusted for sure.
You're not doing a very good job at being high-minded.

[dava]

I didnt mind you calling me nazi at all. I was just pointing out the irony of your post.
I didnt apply the same 'LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE'-tactic like you did there with Calanen now did i?

[C.MAXIMUS]

Are we going personal here?
Indeed, better make sure i m not another one of those strange coloured people with Hussein as a middle name. Those cannot be trusted for sure.

I dont think his participation is negative to this forum in any way, actually he is always participating and contributing with treads, thats more what I see you do. He is not a spreader of hate

Btw I really dont like Obama

[Player]

Btw I really dont like Obama

Why not? Because of his middle name? :roll: You hate preacher! [/sarcasm]

[Lazy Lob]

Are we going personal here?
Indeed, better make sure i m not another one of those strange coloured people with Hussein as a middle name. Those cannot be trusted for sure.

Nope, yer doing that on yer tod.

BTW.....boohoo and very cliche.

[brainplay]

Are we going personal here?
Indeed, better make sure i m not another one of those strange coloured people with Hussein as a middle name. Those cannot be trusted for sure.


Whatever - me and many other europeans here on this board have long enough expressed our views about his preaching.

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/picard-no-facepalm.jpg



Oh Dava...please make a better effort.

[Calanen]

http://www.saudiembassy.net/2004News/Press/PressDetail.asp?cIndex=217
Or they already did. But ofcouse, maybe they should include something like below with every fatwa right?

DISCLAIMER : for our western viewers, we do stress we already isseud a fatwa against acts of terrorism.

But pls do keep preaching hate Calanen.

And that Fatwa was issued to condemn terrorisim again the Saudis, not to encourage jihad against the Taliban - because terrorism is a really really bad thing when it is directed at the Saudis:



On April 22, the day after a bombing in Riyadh, Shaikh Abdulaziz Al- Ashaikh, who is also Chairman of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, issued a statement calling the incident a "forbidden and sinful act." The statement continued: "It is also forbidden to justify the acts of these criminals." Shaikh Abdulaziz Al-Ashaikh also stated: "You have to be vigilant and have strong will in defending the religion and the Muslim country against these people."


And because I criticise them issuing a fatwa to kill television station owners, that is preaching 'hatred'. I'm sure many of our leftist friends would agree with you. A legal system which calls for the deaths of people who broadcast women without wearing burquas, is perfectly fine. But, ever dare notice this - and you are preaching hatred.

[Calanen]

Whatever - me and many other europeans here on this board have long enough expressed our views about his preaching. "Wake up Europe, tmr your women will have to wear hijabs, you will have to implement Sharia and the white male will be a rare item'. Thats the basic Calanen post. I call that fear mongering and hate preaching

I have never said any of those things. And the 'many other Europeans' is the same 5 people.

The closest I have come is that I have said, sharia should have no place in the UK, and has been introduced into the UK - and I've explained why. I dont care what colour people are - you havent seen me saying Sikhs, or Hindus, or Jamaicans are a really big problem.

What I have said is a problem, is that the particular type of Islam being followed at the moment, and prevalent in the West because of Saudi funding - is diametrically opposed to all western notions of freedom, tolerance, equality - however, it seems that those who have these hateful views, based, they say on the 'true Islam' believe it is their *right* to not only have them - but that they are immune from all criticism for having them because they have religious freedom. And no one in the West can dare question any of this, because if they do, they are a 'Nazi'.

If you'd like to see what I call real 'hate speech', watch Channel 4's Undercover Mosque about what is preached in the Green Lane Mosque. That is hate speech.

Religious freedom is fine until you try to curtail everyone else's freedom with an intolerant and dogmatic religious freedom of your own.

I am also a European. I have an EU passport to prove it. Surely you are not saying, that only people of a particular descent can be a 'true European', are you?


Overlooking simple facts that most of his stories come from shabby news services with names as 'the voice of conservatism in europe' and that he makes unbased assumptions such as 'why don't they issue a fatwa against terrorism?'

Most of the stories posted are from a wide variety of news services, not 'shabby' news services.

And the reason some of the views come from less mainstreams sources, is because mainstream news is frightened of losing advertisers, because clueless people like yourself would have press conferences about racism and hatred - because other people are noticing the hatred that is preached in the name of Islam, by people who say, themselves, Islam demands that we do this.


is enough in my book to label him someone who tries to manipulate public opinion.

I present a point of view. People can disagree or agree. Mostly though the people who disagree just default to attacking me personally, rather than critiquing the point of view.


If i am to use your reasoning, we could better just abolish this board. Cause expressing an opinion will always get in the way of the opinion of another one.

Nice moderate policy there. I think you like opinions, except ones that disagree with your own. Because, the issue has already been decided to your satisfaction - so there is no need for further discussion. Free speech means all speech, even unpopular speech - and there is a tradition of free speech in the west. So get used to hearing things you may not like.

Maybe seek to debate the issues instead of constantly diverting to hyperbole and attacking the speaker.

[dava]

And that Fatwa was issued to condemn terrorisim again the Saudis, not to encourage jihad against the Taliban - because terrorism is a really really bad thing when it is directed at the Saudis:

Not happy with the example? I ll give you another one. More than 500 British Muslim religious leaders and scholars have issued a fatwa in response to the London bombs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4694441.stm

There goes your implication of terrorism is only bad when directed to muslims.


I am also a European. I have an EU passport to prove it. Surely you are not saying, that only people of a particular descent can be a 'true European', are you?

You probably have a british passport, so you are barely european yes :)
But combine this with this..


What I have said is a problem, is that the particular type of Islam being followed at the moment, and prevalent in the West because of Saudi funding - is diametrically opposed to all western notions of freedom, tolerance, equality

As far as i know, those immigrants have european passports too. So their cultural values are ours too. And a culture changes over time, together with the demography. Or are you saying that the only cultural values acceptable in Europe are those of the 'true' europeans?



Maybe seek to debate the issues instead of constantly diverting to hyperbole and attacking the speaker.
And no one in the West can dare question any of this, because if they do, they are a 'Nazi'.

I just critized you in this thread and consequently, I ve just been called Nazi, Someone started making 'funny' comments like 'Are youz really Uuropan?' and questioned my heritage.

[dava]

Maybe seek to debate the issues instead of constantly diverting to hyperbole and attacking the speaker.

I did. The shabby news services are still on and so is the comment about fatwas being directed against all terroristic acts.



And the reason some of the views come from less mainstreams sources, is because mainstream news is frightened of losing advertisers, because clueless people like yourself would have press conferences about racism and hatred - because other people are noticing the hatred that is preached in the name of Islam, by people who say, themselves, Islam demands that we do this.


This is the same argument that people use when they defend indymedia or Al-Jazeera.
You know, those western news services cannot be trusted because they are under the control of powerful magnates like Berlusconi and Murdoch.

But maybe you should call me clueless again to set the example of a real discussion.

[Big Lebowski]

Oh Dava...please make a better effort.
http://www.gawker.com/assets/resources/2008/06/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg

You should probably get one of those...

[PVJ]

I declare a Fatwa on clerics who declare Fatwas on people who do no physical, emotional, or psychological damage to anyone. Wow they showed *** on TV, im sure there were many Arabs who had seizures and brain aneurysms at the sight of 2 humans having ***.

[Calanen]

Not happy with the example? I ll give you another one. More than 500 British Muslim religious leaders and scholars have issued a fatwa in response to the London bombs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4694441.stm


This get's closer to the mark. But still uses some weasel words about 'innocent' people. And words or statements are a long way short of the over the top reactions that cartoons or video games get. Which is considered far more important than blowing people up on trains.

There have been many statements by some muslims that people who die in terrorist attacks, are not 'innocents' because they are infidels. They have committed the crime of rejecting allah, so how are they innocent?

And if you look at the carefully worded fatwas, they say 'We deplore innocent loss of life' not that we need to have a jihad against people like this, or join with the UK government to inform on people who do these things. Where is that fatwa?

According to some muslims, it is only when muslims die in terrorist attacks, that innocents have been killed - unless of course, those muslims were assisting infidels - in which case other muslims have said that they are not innocent either.



Zawahri responded to criticism about Al-Qaida's notoriously brutal tactics, maintaining that it does not kill innocents. "We haven't killed the innocents, not in Baghdad nor in Morocco, nor in Algeria, nor anywhere else," he said according to the English transcript which, like the audio message, appeared on Web sites linked to the group.
The answer was in response to the question "excuse me, Mr. Zawahri, but who is it who is killing with Your Excellency's blessing the innocents in Baghdad, Morocco and Algeria?"


Al-Qaida has taken credit for the destruction of the World Trade Center (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0)) which killed nearly 3,000 people in New York City in 2001, while its affiliates in Iraq, Afghanistan and Algeria regularly set off explosives in crowded urban areas that have taken thousands of lives.


"If there is any innocent who was killed in the Mujahideen's operations, then it was either an unintentional error or out of necessity," Zawahri added.
He went on to say that it was their opponents who killed innocents and also noted that "the enemy intentionally takes up positions in the midst of the Muslims for them to be human shields for him."



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207159746454&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

There goes your implication of terrorism is only bad when directed to muslims.

There is far more effort directed to stopping that sort of terror, than when it is against Western targets. As well as far more effort directed to stopping Teddy Bears named Mohammed, rather than nail bombs on commuter trains.



A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

"Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.""

I also didnt say all muslims believe that, or even most. I said the Saudis, seem most insistent about stopping terror directed against them - rather than elsewhere. This thread is about a Saudi fatwa. Also the majority of criticism of terrorism by muslims seems to me to be made in half-hearted, lukewarm, carefully worded statements.


You probably have a british passport, so you are barely european yes :)

Irish. And before you start telling me about how I am responsible for the IRA, I would have happily lined anyone up against a wall and shot them for using terror in Ireland. Execution is the appropriate penalty for people who use carbombs. So don't even go there.


As far as i know, those immigrants have european passports too. So their cultural values are ours too. And a culture changes over time, together with the demography. Or are you saying that the only cultural values acceptable in Europe are those of the 'true' europeans?

What I am saying is that, the particular interpretation of islam being spread throughout mosques in Europe with Saudi funding, Saudi teachers and Saudi textbooks - is a vile despicable and hate filled culture of intolerance, subjugation of women, sharia medieval barbarity, hatred of jews, gays, and support for jihad and the destruction of Western notions of freedom IS incompatible with everything the West and Europe stands for. Hope that is clear enough for you.


I just critized you in this thread and consequently, I ve just been called Nazi, Someone started making 'funny' comments like 'Are youz really Uuropan?' and questioned my heritage.

So how am I responsible for what other people say to you in this thread or elsewhere. Harden up and take it up with them.

[Laworkerbee]

So how am I responsible for what other people say to you in this thread or elsewhere. Harden up and take it up with them.

Does this mean I'm off the payroll? :|

[Calanen]

Does this mean I'm off the payroll? :|

Hey - read the confidentiality clause in your contract! Docked an hour's wages for that one Mister!

[Laworkerbee]

Hey - read the confidentiality clause in your contract!

Christ! Second time I've heard that in a week :cantbeli:

[NicNZ]

Sure, Cal's sources often are more than a bit dodgy (like that wonderful news site he quoted from the other week, which also featured the Financial advice you can learn from the bible article!) and, sure, he has a stubbornly-held opinion and apparent agenda, but he's entitled to both those things, and neither make him a hate preacher. That's taking it a bit far.

Oh, and

I didnt apply the same 'LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE'-tactic...
Gold.

[Dr_ColoSSus]

I fail to see how images alluding to ****** intercourse are going to bring about the downfall of all civilisation. This is absolutely ridiculous. Don't muslims have ***? Fundamentalist Islam is more of a threat to humanity than anything shown on TV.


According to some muslims, it is only when muslims die in terrorist attacks, that innocents have been killed - unless of course, those muslims were assisting infidels - in which case other muslims have said that they are not innocent either.


Either that, or they deny it was muslims who were responsible. Just look Abu Bashir, the indonesian cleric who thinks that the Bali bombings were the result of a 'CIA Micro nuclear bomb'

The sad thing is some dumb bastards will actually believe this guy, and the cycle of hatred continues.

[Calanen]

Either that, or they deny it was muslims who were responsible. Just look Abu Bashir, the indonesian cleric who thinks that the Bali bombings were the result of a 'CIA Micro nuclear bomb'


This made me laugh a bit, because it reminded me of a story a psychiatrist told me. He had a patient who was convinced that his neighbour was throwing bombs over the back fence. But these were no ordinary bombs..no sir...they were micro nano bombs..designed to just leave small marks in the blades of grass so he knew that the neighbour would find them when gardening, but not enough for there to be real *proof* that he was throwing these bomblets....