Ak receiver block i.d.

[jhon]

What type of ak rifle is it?Is it normal for a ak rifle to use this type of receiver block design?
Thank you.

[DesertYote]

It's not a standard AK, that's one thing. Probably just a typical Romanian that was hacked down and modified into a 'pistol'. Take note of the plate at the rear which would not allow a stock to be used (I think you can even see a sling attachment point there), and the fact that the front sight has been hacked and re-welded to the gas block.

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[jhon]

...and the receiver block,if that is how it is colled,is it normal,or just a variation bult by a specific country?
Thank you.

[DesertYote]

Double-tapped. See post below.

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[DesertYote]

I could tell you more if I was able to see any markings on the other side of the piece. That's often where manufacturer markings, dates, and serial numbers are often placed.

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[jhon]

http://www.ak47review.com/Article_Detail.php?g=content1154116876
Polish Tantal AK74,probably this was the typical receiver blok design for the AK74 rifles.

[DesertYote]

Your first picture is definitely NOT a Tantal. I own one of those. The gas block on the one you pictured is not correct for a Tantal, neither is the slant brake. Both of those parts in your picture denote a rifle in 7.62x39mm, not 5.45x39mm.

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ETA - Again, if you could get me a picture of the opposite side of the trunnion, I could probably tell you more about where the rifle is from.

[DesertYote]

Here's a picture of my Romanian AKM and my Polish Tantal. Note the shape of the gas blocks.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/DesertYote/Picture1.jpg

The gas block in the first picture you posted matches they type used in 7.62 AK's (generally - there were a few deviations IIRC).

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[Asheren]

I looks like a Krinkov. If this is orginal muzzle slant and underbarrel grip its most propably AK-104.

[DesertYote]

I looks like a Krinkov. If this is original muzzle slant and under barrel grip its most probably AK-104.

Respectfully, it is neither. There are NO AK's that naturally have that kind of gas block/front sight. You can clearly see that the original AK front sight was chopped and then welded to an AKM 45-degree gas block (look at the coloration of the welded area). Also, no "krinkov" (a made-up name for the AKS-74U) has an AKM slant brake. The handguards also appear to be black-painted laminated wood. You can see the metal pin used in laminated wood furniture towards the front of the lower handguard. It is not Russian, Bulgarian, or US-made plastic.

I maintain that this parts kit is not in original configuration. It is most likely a hacked 7.62x39 Romanian AKM (WASR-10, Romanian G or GP rifle, it doesn't really matter) that someone wanted to be made into a pistol. I suppose it could also be Polish in origin, though I pray that no one would have the gall to hack up a Polish AK. That would be a crime, IMO.

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ETA - If you want to see what the gas block/front sight combo looks like on some of the 100 series AKs, see below:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/DesertYote/AK-107_with_grenade_launcher.jpg

[Asheren]

I said most propably its AK 104. Yes orginaly it was used to describe AKS 74 but its also commonly used to describe short barrel AK. I saw a bunch of krinkov clones using a similiar config. Most of them was custom made. Butchering poor AK in such way...
Ah here it is Gas block is diffrent but sights are mounted in similiar way.
http://aa-ok.com/Krinkrt.jpg

[DesertYote]

I said most propably its AK 104. Yes orginaly it was used to describe AKS 74 but its also commonly used to describe short barrel AK. I saw a bunch of krinkov clones using a similiar config. Most of them was custom made. Butchering poor AK in such way...
Ah here it is Gas block is diffrent but sights are mounted in similiar way.


I understand what you meant, but that is not a factory-made AK gas block/sight combination (it has been hacked and re-welded), and that AK did not come from an arms factory in that condition (unless it's from Pakistan, which I highly doubt). One way or another someone took an AKM or AKM parts kit, hacked it, and made it into a pistol configuration. In the end it is not an AKS-74U (not even the right caliber), not a "krinkov" (it has no provisions to mount a folding stock), and most certainly not an AK-104. Once again, please look at what the AK-104 gas block/front sight looks like in the pictures I am providing below. Compare to the first picture. They are clearly different.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/DesertYote/10245.gif

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/DesertYote/ak1058.jpg

The Russian front sight base/gas block is on the right, while the one on the left is Bulgarian. They are the only ones producing the 100 series rifles. Parts from Russian 100 series rifles are extremely hard to find, while Bulgarians are a bit easier. Also not that the AK-104's threads will NOT accept a slant brake.

The picture in the OP's post is a Romanian gunshop hack job made to marginally imitate a 100 series rifle (I could confirm nation of origin if he would post the trunnion markings). However, the hacked front site / gas block, black painted laminated wood handguards, and use of a slant brake gives it away as a simple AKM that was chopped down. It is nothing more than that. I see these things all the time on gunbroker where the seller is trying to jack the price up and calling them "rare" or some other garbage. Don't be fooled.

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ETA - Asheren, the rifle you posted a picture of is also a mixed-parts hack job. The folding stock is of East German or Polish origin, the front sight base and gas block exhibit the same hack and weld construction as the OP's, and the flash hider is a commonly available U.S.-made copy of the AR's birdcage flash hider. It would have to be registered as an SBR here in the United States because of the short barrel. Also, someone put "Russian" blue tape on the mag trying to up the cool factor. The black pistol grip is likely U.S.-made, too. Possibly Egyptian...but most likely U.S-made.

[Asheren]

Ofcourse its not a factory made. But if my memory serves me well there is at last one company that is seling AK converted to Krinkov clones i was suspecting that it is one of theirs.
Intialy was suspecting ak 104 because i heard an early version looked kinda like that one.
And yes that thing below in my post is not a serial produced one just another Krinkov clone. (I am using this term to describe a short barrel ak not AKS-74U)

[DesertYote]

Sure, there are American gunsmiths companies selling them like that. For some reason ('cause they're gangsta) people buy them. If they didn't, there would be no need for the product. I just wanted the OP to know that his kit is not "authentic" - as in it is not an "official" military-produced variant. If he wants a chopped AKM pistol/kit, then by all means buy it. I would rather not see people get duped by a seller trying to make his gun/kit into something that it is not, and was never intended to be. You see think kind of stuff all the time on gun boards and auction sites.

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