Indonesia to execute Bali bombers early November [Archive]

seruriermarshal

10-24-2008, 08:48 AM

Indonesia to execute Bali bombers early November

By Olivia Rondonuwu Olivia Rondonuwu – 30 mins ago

JAKARTA (*******) – Indonesia will execute three Islamist militants convicted of the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people in early November, a government official said on Friday.

The men -- Imam Samudra, Amrozi and Mukhlas, also known as Ali Ghufron -- were sentenced to death in 2003 for their roles in the nightclub bombings on the holiday island.

The attacks by the Southeast Asian militant group Jemaah Islamiah (JI) were intended to scare away foreigners as part of their drive to make Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, part of a larger Islamic caliphate.

"The Indonesian attorney general office decided that the plan to execute Amrozi, Imam Samudra and Ali Gufron will be conducted in early November 2008," Jasman Pandjaitan, spokesman for the attorney general's office, told reporters.

The executions will take place on the island of Nusakambangan, where the three men are being held in a maximum security prison, officials said.

"I don't know what to say," Sumarno, a relative of Amrozi and Mukhlas, wrote in a telephone text message to *******.

Metro TV station quoted Khozin, who is the brother of Amrozi and Mukhlas, saying that he regretted the decision to hasten the execution process.

Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra, who were convicted for playing key roles in the bombings, have refused to seek clemency from Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono after the Supreme Court rejected their final appeals, saying they want to die as martyrs.

In an interview with ******* late last year, the militants said they regretted only that some Muslims were killed in the blasts.

The two blasts on Bali's Kuta strip on October 12, 2002 -- one at Paddy's Bar and the other at the Sari Club -- killed 202 people, including 88 Australians and 38 Indonesian citizens, and dealt a severe blow to the island's tourist industry.

TRAVEL WARNING

The Australian government on Friday advised its citizens to reconsider the need to travel to Indonesia, including the popular resort island, citing the "very high" threat of attacks.

"There have been recent arrests of high level terrorist operatives in Indonesia, but we assess terrorists are continuing to plan attacks," the government said in a warning on the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade website.

In an earlier statement from their lawyers, the condemned men said their blood would "become the light for the faithful ones and burning hell fire for the infidels and hypocrites."

Instead of pushing Indonesia to cut ties with countries such as the United States and Australia, the attacks seem to have deepened them.

The Bali bombings, and other attacks on the island and in the capital Jakarta, helped push Indonesia into a closer security relationship with Washington and Canberra as the government sought help in tackling Islamist militants.

Although there have been no major bomb attacks since 2005, Indonesia is still considered at risk. In his annual address to parliament on August 15, President Yudhoyono warned that the "country is still unsafe from terrorist acts."

The Indonesian anti-terrorist unit, Detachment 88, was involved in a series of raids last year that authorities say netted the heads of JI and its military wing.

The police detained 10 suspected militants in Sumatra in July, as well as a large cache of bombs. Another five men suspected of planning to blow up an oil storage facility in the capital were detained in raids in Jakarta and Bogor, West Java, this week.

Indonesian police chief Bambang Hendarso Danuri told journalists separately on Friday that militant groups were now targeting government officials and vital infrastructure.

Police are still seeking Noordin Top, a Malaysian considered a key figure behind a series of bombings, including a second set of blasts in Bali in 2005 that killed more than 20 people. Some analysts say Top might have set up a splinter group.

Some other top JI figures are also believed to be in the southern Philippines, including Umar Patek and Dulmatin, suspects in the 2002 Bali bombs.

(Additional reporting by Heri Retnowati in Surabaya; Editing by Sara Webb and Alex Richardson)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081024/wl_nm/us_indonesia_balibombers;_ylt=Ap48WFwXnAWDIALLi0KOkc0Bxg8F

Alfacentori

10-24-2008, 08:49 AM

About Damn Time!

Alfa

Malc

10-24-2008, 09:35 AM

Guess there going to put that 40 virgins theory to the test.

p$ycho+log!cal

10-24-2008, 11:07 AM

i remember how bad these guys were cryin a month ago about how we treat them, DIE NOW.

goat89

10-24-2008, 01:35 PM

The Diggers will be satisfied... I hope.

Hispeed1

10-24-2008, 02:22 PM

Good news. Rot in h377.

the_hog

10-24-2008, 03:43 PM

Virgins, my a$$ however let them believe what they want soon they will be no more.

Calanen

10-24-2008, 05:11 PM

Guess there going to put that 40 virgins theory to the test.

72. Unless they are on a discounted plan.

But they were all real brave until the execution date came closer, then they started whining and saying that it was torture. For acts of mass terror like this one the only possible just sentence is death. Life in prison to lift weights, watch TV and eat 3 square meals on the taxpayer dime is NOT adequate punishment for blowing up 100s of people.

So its fortunate the death penalty is available in Indonesia - so justice can be done. If it had happened in Australia, regrettably, they would have just spent the rest of their days in Club Fed, regularly releasing jihadi propaganda.

Calanen

10-24-2008, 05:13 PM

Oh also, if you were wondering, the death is by firing squad. They normally take the prisoner to a deserted area, tie them to a pole, at night - offer them a blindfold and a cigarette, and then blaze away.

Kilgor

10-24-2008, 05:17 PM

"dont shoot straight you bastards, make a mess of it !"

LazerLordz

10-24-2008, 08:15 PM

Saw the CNN interview with the arses, and I must say, the feeling of disgust and revulsion almost made me throw up my breakfast.

henzai

10-24-2008, 08:46 PM

it seems the govt have cut the terorist operational into pieces after the last 22/10 raid....
so they dare to head shot these maggots...without any fear of revange....
good job densus-88, shorten that list...

PeterRJG

10-24-2008, 09:24 PM

Good riddance, and not before time.

These three smarmy little grinners will not be grinning when the blindfold goes on. Yep dude, this death sentence shiznit is for real.

Calanen

10-30-2008, 12:18 AM

Bali bombers firing squad are single, childless, obedient

Cindy Wockner in Semarang
The Courier-Mail
October 30, 2008 02:37am

Bali bomber firing squad all men
They will be single and childless
All are highly trained shooters
THE men chosen to form the firing squad and take aim at the Bali bombers' hearts will be single with no children, healthy and will have passed regular psychological and health checks.

They will also be good shots with a rifle - most probably an SS1 and using 5.5mm bullets.

They will have practised on police firing ranges shooting at targets. And they will not generally say no when assigned to form a firing squad.
Three squads of 12 shooters each, plus a commander and senior member, will be chosen soon to shoot Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra, possibly as early as this weekend.

The squads will be chosen from the Brimob or the Brigadier Mobile (http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=401&as=news&ac=ninews2&q=Brigadier Mobile) brigade of the paramilitary police in the Central Java (http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=401&as=news&ac=ninews2&q=Central Java) region, closest to where the executions will take place. The headquarters of the Central Java region is the city of Semarang, about six hours' drive from the execution site.

This week when The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/) visited the Brimob headquarters in Semarang, members of Brimob were conducting their regular shooting and target practice on their firing range.
The penalty for murder under Shari'a law is beheading. Why doesn't the government of the worlds most populous muslim nation execute them in accordance with Shari'a law? ...

(Read More (http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,24571995-401,00.html))
Tim of Perth

They aimed and fired at targets including life size cut-out of a human figures and circles.

Initially they fired from 100m away, then moved in to 75m and 50m. They fired from standing and kneeling positions and practised tactical moves.

As shooting and target practice is part of their normal routine, commanders say they don't need to do anything special in order to qualify for a firing squad because all can shoot well.

Every member of Brimob is subjected to regular written and oral psychological tests and to medicals to ensure they are mentally up to the job. And this includes those in firing squads.

Sources say that when it comes to a firing squad the commander prefers to choose single men with no children to lessen potential psychological problems for those who might be uneasy about taking the life of a fellow human being.

The Brimob chief in Central Java, Commissioner Wahyudi Hidayat, said there were 11 divisions of Brimob in Central Java, consisting of 170 members each and that the Bali bomber firing squads would be chosen from those 1870 members. He said the commanders knew their members well and would choose the squads.

"All of Brimob has been trained to do jobs like the firing squad. We don't have any specific team for the firing squad because everybody must be trained to do it. We just do normal basic Brimob training and we have shooting training almost every day," he said.

Of the 12 shooters, only three have live bullets in their weapons - the other nine have blanks - and to salve consciences no one is meant to know who has the lives and who has the blanks. The guns are laid out on the ground and members told to choose one.

Under legislation, if the prisoner does not die immediately from the firing squad the commander has an "amnesty shot" to the head with a revolver.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24571995-401,00.html

Kilgor

10-30-2008, 12:28 AM

Good riddance, and not before time.

These three smarmy little grinners will not be grinning when the blindfold goes on. Yep dude, this death sentence shiznit is for real.

He won't be grinning no more when bits of his teeth are all over the ground.

Good riddance.

makavelli

10-30-2008, 12:49 AM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/plunge-rape-horror-told/2008/10/30/1224956136465.html

that one should come along with those 3...

Alfacentori

10-31-2008, 01:15 AM

Rights group urges Govt to oppose Bali bombers' execution

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200810/r298491_1289619.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200810/r298491_1289624.jpg)The Indonesian Government is expected to execute the bombers within days. (*******: Supri Supri, file photo)

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Civil liberty groups are stepping up their campaign to pressure the Federal Government to oppose the execution of the Bali bombers.
The Indonesian Government is expected to execute Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra within days for their involvement in the Bali bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.
Chris Sidoti from the Human Rights Council says the Government should actively oppose the death penalty overseas, as well as at home.
"Both political parties traditionally have had a long opposition to the death penalty," he said.
"That opposition now needs to be expressed, it needs to be expressed in a way that is universal.
"There is a need to stop killing people, stop executing people and that applies to Indonesia, to the United States, to China and Iran and everywhere.
"We need to start with Indonesia where the executions are due to take place at any time."

[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/31/2407103.htm?section=world (javascript:void(clippingAdd("http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/31/2406305.htm","Bali bombers threaten revenge 'smack down'"));)

Fvcking morons...........

Alfa

Calanen

10-31-2008, 02:24 AM

How about we just stay out of other countries business? They dont protest us for not killing people, we should let them kill whoever they like.

And btw - if anyone deserves killing it is these clowns. It is the only appropriate penalty.

Wally1967

10-31-2008, 07:56 AM

About time!
Smiling assassin ---> :fork: <---Rest of Bali victims

the_hog

10-31-2008, 12:13 PM

Put this as$hole against the wall while you are at it.

Dr_Fünke

10-31-2008, 02:19 PM

bad move. why give these fvckers what they want?

they have already issued a call for revenge attacks. perhaps this was the desired effect for some in the indo government who hate Australia.

stupid for Rudd to support this. either Australia is against the death penalty or it isn't. the bloke should get his balls out and stand behind his beliefs instead of supporting this for fear of backlash from the electorate.

Calanen

10-31-2008, 05:06 PM

bad move. why give these fvckers what they want?

Who cares what they want? And if they really wanted it, they wouldnt have appealled about 5 times against the sentences. They were all macho - UNTIL - death was coming. Then they werent quite as brave and started to appeal and make threats about what would happen if they died.

they have already issued a call for revenge attacks. perhaps this was the desired effect for some in the indo government who hate Australia.

Big deal. So let's go and hide somewhere just so we dont ever offend other jihadis. Maybe put a jihadi foreign officer in Parliament to let us know exactly how we should all live our lives to avoid any and all offence to these nutjobs so we never risk revenge attacks.

stupid for Rudd to support this.

Why is it stupid? Yeah it's a really good idea to tell Indonesia, that its laws are a joke and our superior white man laws would have just put them in prison and let them watch TV, lift weights, and write their memoirs after they intentionally blew up 200 civilians. That would do wonders for our relations with our neighbours.

either Australia is against the death penalty or it isn't. the bloke should get his balls out and stand behind his beliefs instead of supporting this for fear of backlash from the electorate.

We are against the death penalty for us in our country, and for trivial crimes. What other countries do like the USA, or Indonesia is really a matter for them. We dont harass the USA for executing murderers, and we are certainly not going to criticise Indonesia for killing people who blew up and killed 200 or so civilians, injuring many more.

If you blow up 200 people with a bomb, the only correct penalty is the forfeiture of your life. And no amount of namby pamby leftie post modernism is going to convince me or most of the regular people in Aus or elsewhere otherwise.

Good riddance to those scumbags.

Wally1967

10-31-2008, 05:19 PM

It's 1st Nov today awaiting the news.......

Calanen

10-31-2008, 05:25 PM

It's 1st Nov today awaiting the news.......

They normally shoot them at night, so, probably later this evening you will hear, or tomorrow morning.

Wally1967

10-31-2008, 05:28 PM

Well I hope they filmed it and post it on LiveLeak I wanna see them piss in their pants.

Calanen

10-31-2008, 10:57 PM

My sons were right to kill, says bombers' mum

By Arlina Arshad in Tenggulun, Indonesia
Agence France-Presse

October 31, 2008 11:38pm[/URL]
THE mother of two of the Bali bombers on death row says her sons were right to "kill infidels", as they prepare to face firing squads over the attacks which killed 202 people.

Seventy-year-old Tariem (http://www.news.com.au/share/popup/) spoke today in her house in the village of Tenggulun, East Java, after working all day in her fields and visiting the mosque.

"I don't cry. I leave it all to God," she said as convicted terrorists Amrozi and Mukhlas, two of her 13 children, waited for the firing squad in a prison on the other side of Java.

"I feel that killing infidels isn't a mistake because they don't pray," she said as she sat on the stone floor of the family home surrounded by Amrozi's children and wife.

[Surely someone will correct this woman's perverse understanding and defamation of Islam, perhaps through a fatwa or a jihad. She is another member of the very tiny minority of misunderstander extremists. Cal]

"My sons are right. I wake up at 2.00am every morning to pray for their safety."

The old woman coughed and asked for medicine as she spoke, and appeared confused about her sons' fate, asking: "Will my sons be executed?"

None of the bombers' relatives here expressed regret for the carnage unleashed on October 12, 2002, when bombs tore through packed
tourist nightspots on the resort island of Bali.

More than 160 foreign holidaymakers including 88 Australians were killed in the blasts, one of the worst terror atrocities in the name of Islam since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

Another son, Ali Imron, is serving a life sentence for his role in the plot.

"As prayer leaders my sons would lead prayers at the mosque but they don't do that anymore. I miss that," Tariem said.

"I want my sons to be safe and for them not to be executed."

Authorities have said Amrozi, 47, Mukhlas, 48, and Bali ringleader Imam Samudra, 38, will be executed by firing squad any time from midnight today to mid-November. The family should be notified three days in advance.

Younger brother Ali Fauzi, 38, said the family had made no plans for funerals and had not been informed about the executions, adding he was sure Amrozi and Mukhlas were on the "right path" in their final days.

"I met both of them last month and they told me, 'don't be sad'. They always look so happy and I'm sure they're fighting on the right path," he said.

Looking relaxed and beaming broadly like his older brother Amrozi, known as the "smiling assassin" for the grin he sported throughout his trial, Fauzi said the family had nothing to be ashamed about.

"Do we feel embarrassed or ashamed of what they have done? No, we feel proud because in this world full of lies and accusations there are still people who are ready to fight against that," he said.

"If they're executed we'll bring them back home and conduct prayers. Then we'll bury them at a site which we can't tell you about.

"We don't want any autopsy because although the soul is no longer there, the body can still feel pain."

Neighbours in the village expressed little sympathy for Amrozi and Mukhlas.
"They should be executed because all of us should be peaceful toward one another," said Sulastri, a neighbour.

Village chief Djarum said losing any of his neighbours was like losing one of his own family, but he did not support the bombings.

"I'm sad but I'm not proud of what they did because Islam is a peaceful religion," he said.

Shop-owner Mahfud Hasan said he had known Amrozi since they were children.

"I didn't believe it until I saw him confess on TV and I was so shocked," he said.

Students at the Islamic school where Fauzi teaches Koranic studies said they were banned from reading newspapers or watching television.

But they were hungry for news.

"I feel sad that they're being executed because they're Muslims like me, so I sympathise with them," said 20-year-old student Mohammad.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24584550-23109,00.html

Kingswat

10-31-2008, 11:27 PM

The mother should be lined up as well... well actually shooting them is the easy way out, torturing them to death would be a much better way.

LazerLordz

10-31-2008, 11:47 PM

That's why we need education. To enlighten the ignorant.

digrar

11-01-2008, 12:55 AM

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202/88

Calanen

11-01-2008, 01:09 AM

You, the little people, will be easy to 'smack down'[/URL]
Richard Macey

November 1, 2008

Latest related coverage

ON THE eve of their executions, the Bali bombers have called for revenge against the West and have warned the US to expect defeat.

In separate letters on October 22, and posted on an Islamic website, Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra have urged Muslims to attack non-believers.

Amrozi declared in his letter that every "fellow Muslim" needed to raise his hands "to offend the infidels and Thagut [non-believers] that wronged the Muslim, by cutting their necks [beheading]".

This, he warned, would be the only way to stop "their cruelty to us".
Samudra directed his letter to people in the West, suggesting they should not be surprised "if America, the so-called superpower, is beaten, almost dying," and it would lose "the war against the mujahideen".

"You, the little people, will be easy to 'smack down' by the mujahideen."

"You will be defeated in this world and will be taken to hell."

"Who doesn't know that the toothless giant, the US infidel and their allies, are now dying.

How can it be, Andi Matalata [Indonesia's Human Rights and Law Minister] … and all the judges from Bali do not understand this? Don't understand that America is 'klepek-klepek' [a slang word used to describe the death throes of an animal as it is slaughtered].

"You think, if you execute the three of us, you can walk freely, there's no way."

Attacking corruption in Indonesia he wrote "you even have to pay if you want to be a civil servant, even bribe … so there's no way, man. Nothing is free. You can probably decide on the execution as ordered by your bosses but … ahem! The answer is, 'what you see' not 'what you hear'.
He completed his letter by writing, in large print, "Remember: there's not one free Muslim blood drop!"

The ABC reported the International Crisis Group's terrorism expert, Sidney Jones, as saying she was amazed that the bombers were still able to incite violence from their cells.

"I just think that if there's an increase in the security threat as the result of the executions, the Government is at least in part to blame for allowing these three men access to the media over and over and over again."

The mother of two of the Bali bombers says her sons were right to "kill infidels".

Seventy-year-old Tariem was speaking in Tenggulun, East Java.
"I don't cry. I leave it all to God," she said as Amrozi and Mukhlas, two of her 13 children, waited for the firing squad.

"I feel that killing infidels isn't a mistake because they don't pray."

[URL]http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bombers-urge-revenge/2008/11/01/1224956342990.html (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bombers-urge-revenge/2008/11/01/1224956342990.html#)

Dr_Fünke

11-01-2008, 06:11 AM

Big deal. So let's go and hide somewhere just so we dont ever offend other jihadis.

so what if somebody gets blown up in a revenge attack? Is that a 'big deal' to you?

This is not 'appeasing muslims'..... this is about people's desire for revenge overshadowing consideration for the short term to long term effects of what their execution will do

if keeping them in jail forever vs execution means the difference between more bombs going off then it's worth it, even if it does piss people off

Maybe put a jihadi foreign officer in Parliament to let us know exactly how we should all live our lives to avoid any and all offence to these nutjobs so we never risk revenge attacks.i think you are blinded by your life quest to rid the world of jihadists (from the comfort of your office chair) to be able to actually consider things properly.

Why is it stupid? Yeah it's a really good idea to tell Indonesia, that its laws are a joke and our superior white man laws would have just put them in prison and let them watch TV, lift weights, and write their memoirs after they intentionally blew up 200 civilians. That would do wonders for our relations with our neighbours.it's stupid because we are supposed to be against the death penalty. what indonesia within it's legal system is it's own business, we may have no right to lecture to them about what to do, but we don't have to support it either. looks totally hypocritical on our part

rudd is for the execution of these w*nkers yet is against the exection of the bali nine?

We dont harass the USA for executing murdererswe don't cheer it either. we're against the death penalty, period. rudd should do what blair did when saddam was executed. stick to principles.

If you blow up 200 people with a bomb, the only correct penalty is the forfeiture of your life. And no amount of namby pamby leftie post modernism is going to convince me or most of the regular people in Aus or elsewhere otherwise.so what if another bomb goes off because of this?

oh well too bad for those people who get blown up I guess, as long as the wingnut armchair firing squad is satisfied :roll:

LRPV

11-01-2008, 06:21 AM

"we" are against the death penalty? The Australian Government position is as you have noted, inconsistent. Therefore "we" don't have a position.
If you read on the red terrorism in Europe in the 1970s you might find a valuable lesson. Following the capture and imprisonment of terrorists (see Baarder-Meinhoff gang) further attack were carried out in order to pressure the release of the imprisoned.

Executing the Indon terrorists should be undertaken as a trial and sentence have been awarded according to local law. Commuting the sentence to life imprisonment simply provides a focal point for further terrorist goals.

LRPV

11-01-2008, 08:26 AM

News is that Prince Charles has begun a visit to Indonesia...odds are the executions won't happen during trhe royal visit.

tea drinker

11-01-2008, 09:15 AM

choke them with pigtails.

Kopassus

11-02-2008, 09:14 AM

News is that Prince Charles has begun a visit to Indonesia...odds are the executions won't happen during trhe royal visit.
Hopefully they will be executed asap, without or with Prince Charles in the country.

Calanen

11-02-2008, 09:36 AM

so what if somebody gets blown up in a revenge attack? Is that a 'big deal' to you?

And what if they say, send all the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, or people die - do we send them all home? Which parts of our foreign policy should we tailor to the jihadis, and which parts not?

And as for the comfort of my office chair:

1) I doubt you have done anything at all. But prove me wrong. Even if you have, ad hominem attacks about my supposed cowardice are pathetic.

2) I tried to enlist in 2003, for the Iraq war in the United States Army. The only thing that stopped me was no greencard in the USA. I tried to get my father to become a US citizen so I could get one, but he refused. The records of my enlistment attempt are at the downtown US Army recruiting station in San Diego.

3) the war of ideas is more important than the war of combat. And that's what I can win.

LazerLordz

11-02-2008, 12:48 PM

And what if they say, send all the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, or people die - do we send them all home? Which parts of our foreign policy should we tailor to the jihadis, and which parts not?

And as for the comfort of my office chair:

1) I doubt you have done anything at all. But prove me wrong. Even if you have, ad hominem attacks about my supposed cowardice are pathetic.

2) I tried to enlist in 2003, for the Iraq war in the United States Army. The only thing that stopped me was no greencard in the USA. I tried to get my father to become a US citizen so I could get one, but he refused. The records of my enlistment attempt are at the downtown US Army recruiting station in San Diego.

3) the war of ideas is more important than the war of combat. And that's what I can win.

Look fella, there's no black or white in this world. Perhaps if you have actually served, and have worked with issues related to ethnic violence and terrorism, then you might appreciate that certain techniques of "block force" will not win the long war against misguided deep-entrenched beliefs by various groups or individuals.

Yes, it is a long war against extremism. Not one that can be simply lopped off easily. And sometimes, there is a need to balance the actual, real important priority in defeating extremism without causing greater collateral damage.

Perhaps that's why fighting extremism calls for unconventional strategies, and new paradigms at dealing with problems. Sure, your contribution may count for something, but at the end of the day, the internet's still a digital wall for all and sundry to scrawl their piece in the larger picture.

Calanen

11-02-2008, 05:21 PM

Look fella, there's no black or white in this world. Perhaps if you have actually served, and have worked with issues related to ethnic violence and terrorism, then you might appreciate that certain techniques of "block force" will not win the long war against misguided deep-entrenched beliefs by various groups or individuals.

There is black and white in this world, just post modernist lefties try and convince us that black is white, and white is black, or both are grey depending on how they feel.

I dont think that I professed to be an expert in COIN ops, and I don't need to be, to have an opinion about social policy and the destruction of the West's institutions, beliefs and freedoms through creeping sharia and the undercurrent of fear lest we 'offend' someone and they die. People forget that killing people for art, cartoons, pictures, blogs, newspaper articles - is appalling conduct that should be condemned in the strongest terms - not like, well, you really should curb your own FREEDOM OF SPEECH otherwise we might kill you.

Yes, it is a long war against extremism. Not one that can be simply lopped off easily. And sometimes, there is a need to balance the actual, real important priority in defeating extremism without causing greater collateral damage.

The only people taking collateral damage in terms of social policy is the West. It is give give give all the time - with still more demands being made. The time has come for people to say, 'Enough - No more!'.

Perhaps that's why fighting extremism calls for unconventional strategies, and new paradigms at dealing with problems. Sure, your contribution may count for something, but at the end of the day, the internet's still a digital wall for all and sundry to scrawl their piece in the larger picture.

I'm also writing a book. And may venture into politics. But one person cannot really do anymore than that. Many more people think about what I say, even if they do not comment on it. While the Islamists have their axes to bring down the mighty oak tree of Western civilisation through a thousand cuts, and many of our citizens are gleefully joining in the fun, some axes need to come the other way on their 'Religion of Peace' fiction.

Calanen

11-02-2008, 05:23 PM

so what if somebody gets blown up in a revenge attack? Is that a 'big deal' to you?

You do know it is INDONESIA, not Australia that is executing these people. So if there are going to be revenge attacks, why are they on Australians? Its just an excuse to legitimise the war that will never stop anyway.

makavelli

11-03-2008, 12:44 AM

They should rot in prison: Bali victim Charmaine's mother

Georgina Robinson
November 3, 2008 - 11:59AM

The mother of a Sydney woman killed in the Bali bombings says her daughter's three killers are getting off too easily and should be left to "rot in prison" for the rest of their lives.
Pauline Whitton, from Caringbah, lost her then 29-year-old daughter, Charmaine, in the attack on the Sari Club night spot on October 12, 2002.

Charmaine and her best friend Jodi Wallace, also 29, had arrived in Bali that evening and were partying in the Sari Club by 10pm. Both were killed in the bombing.

Today, as victims' families waited for word of the convicted bombers' executions, Ms Whitton said she was concerned that Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra were not being treated harshly enough.
"I'm as happy as everybody will be to see them gone from the face of the earth but there are families who are still suffering and there are people in Bali who are still suffering and a lot of people who are still suffering with burns and injuries," Ms Whitton said.
"If it was my choice, crudely, I would have their *****es shot off so they can't reproduce and their hands cut off so they can't make another bomb and then let them rot in prison forever.

"I'm not a violent person but they should suffer."
Charmaine and Jodi had been best friends since kindergarten, when their mothers would take them to Cronulla Beach for a swim before school, Ms Whitton said in 2003.

Jodi had invited Charmaine on the trip to Bali and told her friend's mother not to worry about them.
"The day they left for Bali I took them to the airport, and Charmaine had her arm around me," Ms Whitton said.
"Jodi said, 'You don't have to cry, I'll have her back in 10 days.' Then they just went."
The renewed media interest in the bombers' imminent executions was making every day difficult, she said.
"It's a good thing they're being put to death but they're still getting off lightly," Ms Whitton said.
"They're just having the time of their life with their horrible smiling faces and it's terribly upsetting for all the families and loved ones.
"It's a horrendous time still and it has been for the last six years."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cut-off-their-hands-and-let-them-rot/2008/11/03/1225560701696.html

Dr_Fünke

11-03-2008, 03:05 AM

And what if they say, send all the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, or people die - do we send them all home? Which parts of our foreign policy should we tailor to the jihadis, and which parts not?

you don't seem to get it. you apper to be incapable of seperating one issue from another and just conflate them into one big 'with us or against' 'yes or no' world view. you don't sound different to any other fundamentalist.

on the foreign policy issue- decisions that are unlawful or unethical by our standards are the ones that have grown the threat the most. if we practiced what we preached about freedom etc the threat would be lessened (oh no i guess this means I must hate myself and my country!)

but you obviously consider keeping someone in prison forever instead of executing them, for the sake preventing possible terrorist attacks, as bowing down and surrending. for someone who criticises islam's lack of human rights so much you seem awfuly excited about capitol punishment

2) I tried to enlist in 2003, for the Iraq war in the United States Army. The only thing that stopped me was no greencard in the USA. I tried to get my father to become a US citizen so I could get one, but he refused. The records of my enlistment attempt are at the downtown US Army recruiting station in San Diego. maybe they read your obsessive posts and decided you were a liability

You do know it is INDONESIA, not Australia that is executing these people. So if there are going to be revenge attacks, why are they on Australians?are australian casualties the only ones that matter?

3) the war of ideas is more important than the war of combat. And that's what I can win.yeah good luck with that, you're obviously aware of the importance your threads play in winning this conflict
rofl

when you actually come up with something that you haven't quoted out of a looney neocon Christian's 'book' let us know. i'm sure there are a few bible belt knuckledraggers and camden bogans who would be chuffed at a pauline 2.0 on the next ballot

Dr_Fünke

11-03-2008, 03:08 AM

Executing the Indon terrorists should be undertaken as a trial and sentence have been awarded according to local law. Commuting the sentence to life imprisonment simply provides a focal point for further terrorist goals.

and word of their execution, and the execution itself couldn't possibly bring further attacks?

(http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24592699-23109,00.html)Bombs explode in Indonesia's Moluccas (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24592699-23109,00.html)

THREE bombs exploded in Indonesia's Moluccas islands early today, local television reported.
The bombs went off in Ternate, in North Maluku, including one which exploded outside the governor's office, local television stations Metro TV and TV1 reported.
Indonesian authorities have stepped up security in recent days ahead of the imminent execution of three Muslim militants for their role in the 2002 Bali bomb attacks in which 202 people died.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24592699-23109,00.html

Kopassus

11-03-2008, 05:18 AM

The three firesquads are already standby.....

30 Brimob Siap Eksekusi Amrozi Cs

Senin, 3 November 2008 | 00:38 WIB
Laporan Wartawan Persda Network Yuli Sulistyawan
CILACAP, SENIN - 30 Brimob yang bertugas untuk mengeksekusi mati tiga terpidana mati Amrozi Cs, sudah disiagakan di sekitar kawasan Cilacap. Begitu ada perintah eksekusi, 30 Brimob pilihan tersebut,telah siap untuk menembak mati Amrozi Cs.

"Iya,tim (brimob) eksekutornya berjumlah 30 orang. Mereka sudah siap," tegas Kepala Biro Operasional Polda Jateng Sahala Palagan di Bandara Tunggul Wulung,Cilacap, Minggu (2/11).

Namun mengenai eksekusinya, pemegang kendali ada di pihak Kejaksaan. Begitu ada perintah dari Kejaksaan, tiga regu eksekutor ini akan menjalankan tugasnya.

Dijelaskan Palagan, untuk pengamanan pelaksanaan eksekusi,telah diterjunkan ke aparat Brimob di Nusakambangan. Secara keseluruhan, kesiapan pelaksanaan eksekusi Amrozi Cs sudah matang.

Di Pusdiklat Kopasus cabang Cilacap,terlihat sekitar 10 truk polisi yang digunakan mengangkut Brimob. Di Pusdiklat tersebut,perahu-perahu karet untuk mengangkut petugas keamanan ke Nusakambangan juga telah disiapkan.
Sesuai UU Nomor 2/Pnps/1964, setiap terpidana mati dieksekusi dengan cara ditembak mati. Setiap terpidana, ditembak oleh satu regu eksekutor yang berjumlah 10 orang. Jika tembakan pertama tidak berhasil mematikan terpidana,maka dilakukan tembakan kedua yang dipastikan bisa mematikan.

LRPV

11-03-2008, 07:52 AM

and word of their execution, and the execution itself couldn't possibly bring further attacks?

I expect more bombings. We are involved in a cultural war, whether we like it or not. It doesn't matter to these imbeciles whether the trio are executed or not, as either way their 'holy war' must continue. There will be more bombings, more innocent blood on the pavement. If I had my way our foreign aid program to Islamic countries would be spent in the education field.

LRPV

11-03-2008, 07:53 AM

Kopassus, if you are going to post in bahasa, do you reckon you could throw in a quick translation for us?

cheers:)

oldsoak

11-03-2008, 08:00 AM

I expect more bombings. We are involved in a cultural war, whether we like it or not. It doesn't matter to these imbeciles whether the trio are executed or not, as either way their 'holy war' must continue. There will be more bombings, more innocent blood on the pavement. If I had my way our foreign aid program to Islamic countries would be spent in the education field.

Now theres a radical idea I like. Bet you the b*ggers come out with some cultural excuse against it - we need to develop everything slowly, cultural change cant be rushed..bs,bs,bs - except of course the ability to use western weaponry....

Alfacentori

11-03-2008, 08:08 AM

Now theres a radical idea I like. Bet you the b*ggers come out with some cultural excuse against it - we need to develop everything slowly, cultural change cant be rushed..bs,bs,bs - except of course the ability to use western weaponry....

How could you two say that, we are responsible for all the problems in the world as westerners, it is our moral duty to fund them and have tolerance, even though they have none....:roll:

Didn't you get your PC scripts?

Alfa

oldsoak

11-03-2008, 08:12 AM

- B8gger ! :lol:
- my pc level is a bit low, I shall go and attend a "how to be a doormat" help group immediately....

LRPV

11-03-2008, 08:15 AM

Now theres a radical idea I like. Bet you the b*ggers come out with some cultural excuse against it - we need to develop everything slowly, cultural change cant be rushed..bs,bs,bs - except of course the ability to use western weaponry....

Well, speaking of wells, we have a program to provide wells for village drinking water in Indonesia. Meanwhile Jakarta can afford Russian military aircraft. Something in our priorities need to change both here and up there.

oldsoak

11-03-2008, 08:18 AM

You'll never fund the Indonesian Generals Sydney waterfront housing scheme that way....

Alfacentori

11-03-2008, 08:31 AM

- B8gger ! :lol:
- my pc level is a bit low, I shall go and attend a "how to be a doormat" help group immediately....

Please proceed to your nearest government office and join the que labelled 'White Oppressor Reducation'.

Will be the one with patriotic proud citizens going in and revisionist leftists coming out the other side.p-)

Alfa

LRPV

11-03-2008, 08:32 AM

^^^ E-beer coming your way....:)

Alfacentori

11-03-2008, 08:39 AM

I don't know if your talking to me or Oldsoak but if either of you are ever in Adelaide I'll buy you a real beer, we can have a toast to the Bali bombers, may their trip to hell be a swift one! :)

Alfa

LRPV

11-03-2008, 08:45 AM

It was to you Alfa. Thanks for the offer, I'll have a beer with you but as you're in south oz I'll bring west oz beer. I'll try and wean you off that dishwashing water p-)

equilibrium37

11-03-2008, 08:46 AM

Trust me mate; they've tasted some of that allready. You should see the pictures of these ****s just a few weeks after they got caught.

The mother should be lined up as well... well actually shooting them is the easy way out, torturing them to death would be a much better way.

Alfacentori

11-03-2008, 08:52 AM

It was to you Alfa. Thanks for the offer, I'll have a beer with you but as you're in south oz I'll bring west oz beer. I'll try and wean you off that dishwashing water p-)

This would be a bad time to tell you I don't drink then? But to salute those scum I'll make an exception! p-)

Alfa

To keep this on topic

Prosecutors rule latest Bali bomber appeal invalid

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200811/r309698_1360220.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200811/r309698_1360216.jpg)Security has been tightened across the region. (*******: Crack Palinggi)

Lawyers for the three men facing execution for the Bali bombings which killed 202 people filed a desperate last-minute appeal to save them from the firing squad.
But prosecutors said the appeal was invalid as the bombers Amrozi, his brother Mukhlas, and Imam Samudra, had exhausted their legal options and must now die in line with their 2003 sentences.
"No more appeals can be accepted because the limit is only one," a spokesman for Indonesia's Attorney-General's Office said, even though the bombers have had at least three appeals considered by the Indonesian courts.
Lawyer Imam Asmara Hadi said the appeal filed in Bali's Denpasar District Court rested on the bombers' claim they had not been properly informed of the rejection of their previous petition.
Amid fears of violent protests, police stepped up security around Cilacap port connecting Java to the high-security Nusakambangan prison island where the bombers are believed to be just days or even hours away from execution.
Heavily armed police extended a no-go zone around the port and barred all traffic to the island in the latest sign that the executions are imminent.
Security has been tightened across the mainly Muslim archipelago due to concerns about revenge attacks from fanatics and the Jemaah Islamiyah regional terror network, allegedly behind the Bali carnage.
The bombings of packed nightspots on the resort island in 2002 killed mostly foreign tourists including 88 Australians, as well as 38 Indonesians.
Nusakambangan prison chief Bambang Winahyo said the bombers appeared to be calm and ready to die, in line with their repeated assertions that they want to be "martyrs" for their cause of creating a South-east Asian caliphate.
"They're in good condition, healthy. It seems they're facing this calmly," he said.
Relatives bearing some of the bombers' favourite food were barred from entering Nusakambangan early today as they did not have permission from Jakarta, officials said.
Ali Fauzi, the younger brother of Amrozi and Mukhlas, blasted the authorities for refusing to let him see the bombers for a last time.
He said he would leave Cilacap later today if permission did not arrive within hours.
"I want to pass a message from my family to Amrozi and Mukhlas. My mother said for them to be patient, to be sincere and to accept their fate," he said.
"But she also said that if I can bring them home alive and free, then I should bring them home," he added, laughing.
Another brother, Muhammad Chozin, said the bombers, who were placed in isolation on Friday, would take great joy from death.
"We're mentally prepared because my brothers will receive extraordinary enjoyment as they stand up for their religion and receive the title of mujahid," or holy warrior, he said.
Lawyers said the relatives had given food, including Amrozi's favourite of dates and Indian-style bread, to prison guards to be passed on to the condemned men.
The 2002 Bali attacks were the bloodiest in a sustained period of violence in mainly moderate Indonesia.
Bombings at the JW Marriott hotel in Jakarta in 2003, the Australian embassy in 2004 and Bali again in 2005, among others, killed scores of people.
Jemaah Islamiyah is still active in plotting attacks across the region and the alleged mastermind of the Bali bombings, Malaysian extremist Noordin Mohammad Top, is still at large.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/03/2409216.htm

p$ycho+log!cal

11-03-2008, 10:47 PM

nice, all i need is popcorn now.

Supe

11-04-2008, 04:57 AM

are australian casualties the only ones that matter?

Dude. not that impossible chestnut. The one where we hold every persons death and misfortune as equal. An impossibility. I will feel more for an Australian citizen than I would for some <insert foreign national>. But we have folks who believe that we should feel the same for everyone. Which is pure bs. Humanity is built on us and them. Your attack on Calanen is proof of this state of being, where he represents the 'other' or in this case a 'Hanson loving redneck neocon'.

when you actually come up with something that you haven't quoted out of a looney neocon Christian's 'book' let us know. i'm sure there are a few bible belt knuckledraggers and camden bogans who would be chuffed at a pauline 2.0 on the next ballot

Nice one trotting out the cliche. The logic is thus. If someone disagrees with your position on certain cherished matters - they are white trash, redneck Hanson supporters. You can't take the high road here. You delved into the gutter with that response. I don't disagree with some of your points (I'd be happy to see them rot in prison rather than be martyred).

But then, even rotting away in prison, they can still play a role to the extremists in Indonesia.

*kudos to your nick. Best character in Arrested Development.

Calanen

11-04-2008, 06:00 AM

I'd be happy to see them rot in prison rather than be martyred

Not much rotting. Plenty of R&R though. Watch TV. Lift some weights. Maybe get a degree or two. All on the State's dime. Life may be appropriate for people who kill 1 or 2 people, but not mass murderers, especially 100s.

Dr_Fünke

11-05-2008, 01:11 AM

oldsoak

11-05-2008, 09:49 AM

that doesn't mean we should carry out, or support, unnecessary actions which can inflame it

- and who would define what is unecessary ? I have had conversations with people who think that the UN involvement in the Balkans and Africa was/is unecessary and only serves to inflame the locals.

equilibrium37

11-05-2008, 09:59 AM

Which unnecessary actionsare you talking about ?

that doesn't mean we should carry out, or support, unnecessary actions which can inflame it

Dr_Fünke

11-05-2008, 11:00 PM

- and who would define what is unecessary ?

preferably people who can seperate themselves from their emotions when it comes to making these kind of decisions

Wally1967

11-06-2008, 03:01 AM

Great possibility that they be shot Tonight. ??

Calanen

11-06-2008, 05:34 PM

Bombers' deaths would create 'a million Amrozis'

Tom Allard in Tenggulun
November 7, 2008

Other related coverage

ISLAMIC militants, warning the execution of the Bali bombers will create "a million Amrozis", are pouring into Tenggulun, arriving in convoys of motorcycles and chanting anti-Western slogans. [Some more misunderstanders of the true meaning of Islam. The central government should stomp on them hard and say, no tolerance none for this sort of stuff. Cal ]

The build-up of militants in the home village of Amrozi and Mukhlas - two of three Bali bombers on death row - comes as the men's families launched a last-ditch bid to see them before they are executed. They wrote to the President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, and staged a noisy rally in Jakarta to press their demands.

Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra - sentenced to death for their role in the attacks on Bali's nightclub strip that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians - will face a firing squad as soon as today.
Several dates for the execution have been agreed then abandoned, with the attorney-general only confirming publicly they will die in "early November". Bad weather, security concerns and political considerations have been reportedly behind the delays.

Certainly, the increasingly volatile situation in Tenggulun is a worry for authorities, who are promising a big turnout of armed officers when the bodies of Amrozi and Mukhlas are brought in by helicopter after their deaths and funeral services are held.

Abu Bakar Bashir - the co-founder of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiah - says he will attend the funerals and Amrozi's family want him to deliver a sermon at the mosque.

Ali Fauzi, the half-brother of Mukhlas and Amrozi, told the Herald the bombers wanted their bodies placed in the village mosque for people to pay their respects and then taken to the local Islamic school for another ceremony before being buried.

As well as Bashir's followers in Tenggulun, there are large numbers of cadres from the Islamic Defenders Front, a group known for its willingness to resort to violence.

Yesterday Mukhlas's wife, Farida, arrived in the village from Malaysia.
She is demanding to see her husband while the mother of Imam Samudra, Paredah, wrote to Dr Yudhoyono, also asking for visitation rights.

They received support from one of Indonesia's more progressive institutions, the human rights body Komnas Ham.

Its chief, Ifdhal Kasim, said the prisoners had a right to meet their families before they faced the firing squad. "A prisoner awaiting execution must be given a chance to meet their families," he said.

He vowed to take up the matter with the prosecutor's office.

But the clock is ticking to the executions. Late on Wednesday construction workers were ordered off the prison island of Nusakambangan and told not to return until Monday. This was seen as an indication the execution would occur sometime between today and Monday.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/deaths-will-create-million-amrozis/2008/11/06/1225561044600.html

Kopassus

11-07-2008, 11:43 PM

Kopassus

11-07-2008, 11:45 PM

Great possibility that they be shot Tonight. ??
I also expected tonight, but its now saturdaymorning, and they are still alive.

Wally1967

11-08-2008, 12:17 AM

I also expected tonight, but its now saturdaymorning, and they are still alive.

Tenggulun is west of DJakarta near Soekarno-Hatta Int Airport but I thought they are on an Island prison?

ps Nice airport there.

Wally

Kopassus

11-08-2008, 01:17 AM

Yes, our friends are at Pulau Nusakambangan, but the reporter was maybe at that moment in Tenggulun.
So hopefully tonight or sundaynight.

Alfacentori

11-08-2008, 02:58 AM

Bali bomber t-shirts on sale in Java village

T-shirts praising the Islamists behind the Bali attacks went on sale in the village of bombers Amrozi and Mukhlas, as the wait for their executions took a macabre twist.
Mukhlas, 48, Amrozi, 47, and fellow militant Imam Samudra, 38, are due to be executed imminently for their role in the 2002 bombings, which killed 202 people, mainly foreign tourists.
But while authorities have said the execution will be in "early" November, they have not set an exact date, leading to a rash of media speculation and allowing Islamist sympathisers time to rally to the bombers' cause.
Family members have begun selling plain black T-shirts for 20,000 rupiah with the message "Even if Amrozi and friends are executed, jihad (holy war) will go on."
"We're trying to support the two brothers' fight for Islam," said A'anal Umam, a 19-year-old nephew of Mukhlas and Amrozi, in the normally sleepy East Java coastal village.
The simple farming community a short distance from the beach has turned into a circus of sorts as frustrated journalists mix with jihadist radicals and nervous police, all trying to guess the timing of the long-delayed executions.
Tensions were building overnight over the macabre details of the bombers' burial, after family members were told the brothers' bodies would be delivered by helicopter pre-wrapped in white shrouds.
Relatives were furious as this meant they would be unable to wash the bodies in line with Muslim custom, but backed down after police threatened to take over the funeral.
"As a family we're terrified that we can't handle the bodies but we're worried about the possibility of bloodshed happening, so we accepted it even though we were forced," brother Muhammad Chozin said.
A younger brother of the bombers, Ali Fauzi, travelled with police in the dead of night to the island prison where the bombers are being held and will reportedly visit them before witnessing their executions.
Small crowds of Islamist radicals have descended daily on the village in the lead up to the executions, and have promised hundreds more will come if the bombers are killed.
A crowd of around 50 radicals chanted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greater) during a brief visit by hardline cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, the co-founder of the militant Jemaah Islamiyah network blamed for the Bali blasts.
Bashir hailed the bombers as "holy warriors" and urged Muslims to follow their lead.
"We should emulate their fighting spirit, they are ready to sacrifice their lives fighting for Islam and they will not surrender, that's what a holy warrior is," Bashir told the crowd, which included dozens of curious villagers.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/08/2414282.htm?section=world

Alfa

Calanen

11-08-2008, 04:19 AM

Schoolies warned about dangers of Bali travel with executions imminent

Paul Lampathakis
The Sunday Times
November 08, 2008 07:03pm
Deaths imminent ... Bali bombers Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas), Amrozi and Imam Samudra may be executed overnight / AFP

Execution of Bali bombers imminent
Schoolies warned of risks in Indonesia
Tourists should check travel advice
FOREIGN Affairs Minister Stephen Smith has heightened speculation the Bali bombers will be executed overnight, issuing a special terror warning to school leavers.

All signs are pointing to the execution early Australian time tomorrow of Islamic militants Amrozi, his brother Mukhlas and Imam Samudra.

"The Government is particularly aware that in mid to late November and early December, a large number of Australian school graduates may well travel to Indonesia, particularly Bali for what has become known as schoolies week,'' Mr Smith said.

"We ask those young graduates and their parents to very carefully bear in mind the travel advice which we have issued.
(http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Indonesia)
"We continue to receive credible evidence of the threat of terrorist attacks in Indonesia and in Bali.

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"Those people who do decide to go to Indonesia and to Bali should bear in mind that in the past, terrorist attacks have occurred at venues or areas of low security such as bars, beaches, shopping malls and the like."

Mr Smith said the executions, which the Indonesian Government had announced would take place in early November could "prompt a strong reaction" from terror supporters, such as demonstrations, acts of violence and reprisal attacks.

He said the level of warning remained heightened, advising people to reconsider their need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, because of the "very high threat of terrorist attack".

But he wanted to draw attention to the risks involved with the "imminent executions" of the bombers.

Mr Smith would not be drawn on whether he knew when the executions would occur.

"The timing of the executions is entirely a matter for the Indonesian Government," he repeatedly said.

Mr Smith also called on the travel industry to have "maximum flexibility" when dealing with changes to travel arrangements because of the Government's warnings.

He asked that Australians register their travel with the Australian Government. (https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/homepage?Openpage)

Preparations for the executions have reportedly been ready for days, and journalists in Jakarta have been told to gather outside the Indonesian attorney-general's office from late tonight.

The brothers' sibling, Ali Fauzi, was today reportedly making his way to the Nusakambangan Island prison, in Central Java, but it was unclear if he would be allowed to see his brothers one last time.

There were contradictory local media reports about the visit - it is unclear whether it was for one last meeting with the men, or to ensure their bodies post-execution are treated in accordance with Islamic custom.

Indonesia's news agency Antara reported the men's wives were also in attendance, but most other reports said Fauzi was travelling alone under the guard of authorities.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24622437-401,00.html

[Anyone who goes to Bali or Indonesia is stark raving mad. There are so many other good places to go for a holiday. ]

Dr_Fünke

11-08-2008, 04:47 AM

If i was dictator of Indonesia all those idiots will follow Amrozy an friends.

if you were a dictator of Indonesia and went on some kind of purging spree you probably wouldn't look any different to a terrorist

Dr_Fünke

11-08-2008, 05:33 AM

Bali families oppose executions

The families of British victims of the 2002 Bali bombings have spoken out against the imminent executions of three of those convicted over the plot.
Susanna Miller, of the Bali Bombing Victims' Group, said the executions may provide propaganda for jihadists.
Ms Miller, whose brother was killed, told BBC Radio 4 execution would offer a "state-sponsored route to martyrdom".

Ms Miller, whose brother Dan was killed, told the BBC: "Capital punishment for jihadist terrorism seems particularly anomalous to me. It effectively provides a state-sponsored route to martyrdom.

"There are two strands to justice: one is to punish the deed and the other is to deter subsequent deeds.
"If, in trying to do justice to my brother and the others that died, they carry out a punishment that actually can be used as a propaganda coup to encourage the very people who carried out the act, I think that makes a mockery of the whole idea of justice.
"Having gone through the suffering that I have seen so much of over Bali, it would be such a tragedy if it just served to fuel the jihadist cause."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7714396.stm

Opening Batsman

11-08-2008, 05:35 AM

The families of British victims of the 2002 Bali bombings have spoken out against the imminent executions of three of those convicted over the plot.

Exactly how many families?:roll:

I've heard plenty say they support it.

Calanen

11-08-2008, 05:43 AM

Exactly how many families?:roll:

I've heard plenty say they support it.

Yeah a lot of people around the Randwick/Coogee/Maroubra area died, and being an Eastern suburbs person, I can tell you that everyone around that way is keen on them being executed. I havent heard one person say, no let them stick around.

Not that it matters either way. Indonesia has its laws, and they've decided the Bali bombers die. So they die. It's not up to us to decide.

Dr_Fünke

11-08-2008, 05:56 AM

Exactly how many families?:roll:

UK Bali Bombings Victims' Group represents 26 British families (28 Britons were killed)

Not exactly deserving of rolled eyes imo. their opinions don't count any less because they may be fewer in number to those of other nations who lost citizens.

I've heard plenty say they support it.it's the quality of the argument that counts, not the the numbers on the pro or con side of the fence

Opening Batsman

11-08-2008, 06:50 AM

UK Bali Bombings Victims' Group represents 26 British families (28 Britons were killed)

Not exactly deserving of rolled eyes imo. their opinions don't count any less because they may be fewer in number to those of other nations who lost citizens.

The article only mentions one person saying that.

I'm not saying the opinion doesn't count, I'm rolling my eyes at the article itself which as far as I can see is trying to exaggerate things to further its own political message.

Calanen

11-08-2008, 06:55 AM

The article only mentions one person saying that.

I'm not saying the opinion doesn't count, I'm rolling my eyes at the article itself which as far as I can see is trying to exaggerate things to further its own political message.

They can have their opinion, but the truth is that it doesnt count under Indonesian law. The only person's opinion who counts was that of the sentencing judge. The Indonesian criminal justice system is not part of some experiment in international democracy or verdict by popularity contest.

The Dane

11-08-2008, 02:04 PM

Three Islamic militants condemned to death for the 2002 Bali bombings which killed 202 people have been executed by firing squad, their lawyers say.

Imam Samudra, 38, Amrozi Nurhasyim, 47, and Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas), 48, died from shots to the heart on the island prison of Nusakambangan, local TV said.

They were found guilty of planning twin attacks on nightclubs at the resort of Kuta, popular with Western tourists.

There has been official confirmation of the executions.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson, reporting from close to the prison, says the three men were taken from their cells and driven to the execution site at midnight local time.

The execution took place in the darkness surrounded by forest and a handful of witnesses.

The deaths will not evoke much sympathy in Indonesia and many people believe the executions should have been carried out much sooner, our correspondent says.

High alert
Officials had said the three would be shot in early November but no date had been announced in advance.

Security forces have been on high alert across the country amid fears of reprisal attacks.

Members of radical groups have been gathering for days at the bombers' home villages to pay their respects.

A brother of two of the bombers is at the prison to help prepare the bodies before they are flown back to their home villages.

The dead men had apparently requested no autopsy and they had asked not to be buried in state shrouds, but in material brought specially from their family homes.

The bombings were blamed on the militant group Jemaah Islamiah, widely regarded as a regional affiliate of the al-Qaeda network.

Since they were sentenced the bombers made several appeals for leniency.

However, they also said they were keen to be "martyrs" for their dream of creating a South East Asian caliphate.
A last-minute appeal by relatives of the bombers was rejected by a Supreme Court judge earlier this week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7717819.stm

Fade

11-08-2008, 02:04 PM

Report: Bali bombers executed in Indonesia
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

CILACAP, Indonesia - A local television station says three Indonesian militants have been executed for the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings that killed 202 people.

There was no official confirmation.

Story continued....
(http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/11/08/7348496-ap.html)

The Dane

11-08-2008, 02:07 PM

LOL... I were a couple of seconds faster than you..p-)

Fade

11-08-2008, 02:09 PM

LOL... I were a couple of seconds faster than you..p-)
lol, yep...couple seconds maybe :)

The Dane

11-08-2008, 02:10 PM

MoDs, please merged or remove one...

Fade

11-08-2008, 02:12 PM

MoDs, please merged or remove one...
x2, merge this one with the one at http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145661 if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks.

C.MAXIMUS

11-08-2008, 02:20 PM

Just opened a beer to celebrate, b@stards

PeterG

11-08-2008, 03:25 PM

Rip..... NOT! About time too. :)

Red-Phos

11-08-2008, 03:28 PM

Nice one you cant beat a good fireing squad!

CreepingDeath

11-08-2008, 03:34 PM

X2.

though burning them at stake medieval style would be better. firing squad serves them right.

I hope they fry in hell where they're supposed to.

NavyTimes

11-08-2008, 03:47 PM

Burn in hell mother****ers.

MoFo

11-08-2008, 03:54 PM

Pics? burn in hell.

Red-Phos

11-08-2008, 03:56 PM

Pics? burn in hell.
I was hopeing for a video on the link but then again it is the BBC rofl

Dinges

11-08-2008, 04:00 PM

Good. Some less O2 thieves

socom6

11-08-2008, 04:26 PM

Rest in hell murderous vermin!

Calanen

11-08-2008, 05:16 PM

What hope do we have?

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Staff writers
November 09, 2008 12:00am

TERRORIST leader Abu Bakar Bashir rubbed salt in Bali bombing victims' wounds yesterday, urging his flock to follow the attackers' lead and fight for Islam.
The firebrand cleric - jailed then released over the Bali bombings - made his call as expectations intensified last night that Mukhlas, 48, Amrozi, 47, and fellow militant Imam Samudra, 38, would be executed for their role in the 2002 mass murder.

As the countdown to the deaths continued , disturbing images emerged of Samudra's mother, Embay Badriyah, surrounded by young girls in Muslim veils.

The little girls touched a poster of the doomed bomber which bore the slogan: "Not a single drop of blood is free".

And hateful T-shirts with the message: "Even if Amrozi and friends are executed, jihad will go on" went on sale in the village of Amrozi and Mukhlas.

Victorian Bali bombing victims said the celebration of the cowardly killers who killed 202 unarmed citizens was a sick joke.

Brave mum Therese Fox, who almost died a dozen times after the blast and had to learn how to walk again, said the death cult almost made her despair.

"When I heard they made T-shirts it makes you wonder what kind of people they are," Ms Fox said. [We know exactly what sort of people they are, although a lot of the West is in full denial mode - Cal]

"There's always going to be evil people. But it makes life difficult because I would not want anyone else to suffer what we've all been through."

Visiting the bombing brothers' mother, Tariyem, before their looming execution by firing squad, Bashir praised the bombers as Islamic heroes who had brought honour to themselves and their families.

"Their fighting spirit in defending Islam should be followed," he said. "We will win the fight in this world or die martyrs."

In other developments:

POLICE and officials visited the family on Friday night to make the final arrangements for the bombers' final journey.

FOREIGN Affairs Minister Stephen Smith pleaded with students planning to travel to Bali for Schoolies Week to heed their warnings of the threat of
terrorist attacks in Indonesia.

THE bombing brothers' younger sibling Ali Fauzin travelled to the prison yesterday to deliver the shrouds that the bodies will be wrapped in.
Fearing a backlash from radical groups, the government insisted that the bodies not be washed and re-wrapped by the family and that burial take place almost immediately.

Tensions grew as such a burial could breach Islamic law.
But it appeared a resolution was reached where the family could oversee washing and shrouding without taking possession of the bodies.

- Ian McPhedran, Liam Houlihan and Cindy Wockner

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24623015-661,00.html

The Dane

11-08-2008, 05:20 PM

"Their fighting spirit in defending Islam should be followed," he said. "We will win the fight in this world or die martyrs."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24623015-661,00.html

X2... p-)

Salman

11-08-2008, 05:35 PM

The Dane

11-08-2008, 05:39 PM

Just out of curiosity, are you for the death penalty in Denmark?

No... But you know, sometimes it just feels right. :)
Three Danish girls die in the bombing...

winchester_down

11-08-2008, 06:10 PM

I don't agree with executing these disgusting men.

I would be in favour of life in jail, but not the jail they are used to.

A jail where you don't get to speak to reporters everyday, have the wife and kids over every other day and where you are separated from your conspirators in crime.
In other words jail for them was a laugh, they were not serving at all, and killing them isn't much to em , in their mind they have completed their mission and have no more use for life.

Alfacentori

11-08-2008, 06:13 PM

Rest in hell murderous vermin!

I approve of this Message!

Alfa

WarriorMonk

11-08-2008, 06:45 PM

Opening Batsman

11-08-2008, 07:04 PM

Nah **** 'em. Glad its over, now we can relegate these examples of life's failure to the past because nobody gives a **** about your caliphate or your supposed paradise. Piss off.

Calanen

11-08-2008, 07:06 PM

while it does sound nice, IMO it does serve the whole martyrdom dream of these twits...

better to keep them in solitary confinement and have comedians do extreme elimination MXC-style commentaries on them...that way in the eyes of the public they'll be reduced to idiots instead of "martyrs"

Jail in Indonesia is not like jail here. If you have the resources (and they would with gifts from the faithful), its basically a hotel.

Also, they would get released after a few years, and while they were in prison, be able to give interviews, and urge the followers on to commit greater jihad.

Better they are dead - then there is no going back.

StickyPop

11-08-2008, 07:31 PM

Done Jon Bon Jovi style......shot through the heart

The Dane

11-08-2008, 07:36 PM

Done Jon Bon Jovi style......shot through the heart

I bet that's NOT a good feeling .. :)
They asked to be hung instead, but no..haha.
But i which they had shot them in the groin and let them bleed to death instead though ..:|

jango

11-08-2008, 08:13 PM

Well after six year the Indonesian goverment confirmed that they executed the bali bomber last night. What are your thoughts on their execution and do you think that there could be a risk of payback attacks on tourist?

digrar

11-08-2008, 08:19 PM

Repost and this thread has no pictures, why post it in the pics section? Merged.

Kopassus

11-08-2008, 08:33 PM

Im really glad and happy when i hear the good news on the telly this morning.
The reporters were also smiling and very enthousiast.

So, now they will find out they will go straight to heaven or not.....

AGO: Bali bombers executed at 00.15

The Jakarta Post | Sun, 11/09/2008 2:49 AM | Headlines
The Attorney General’s Office (AGO) confirmed 2.40 a.m. Sunday that the death penalty of three Bali bombers, Amrozi, Ali Gufron or Mukhlas and Imam Samudra, had been carried out.

“They were executed by a firing squad ... at 0.15 a.m.,” AGO spokesperson Jasman Pandjaitan told reporters in a press conference in Jakarta.

Jasman said that autopsy had also been carried out to confirm the death of the terrorists and that the corpses had been bathed according to the Sharia Law by a family member.

Amrozi’s younger brother, Ali Fauzi, was allowed a last-minute entry to the Nusakambangan island to be in charge of the bathing process. Earlier on Thursday the Cilacap Prosecutor's Office said that it had assigned nine local Ulemas to witness the execution.

Jasman added that more details would be made public later on Sunday. (and)

LRPV

11-08-2008, 11:45 PM

Here's to hoping that the survivors and families of the victims can start to move on in their lives.

Kopassus

11-09-2008, 01:42 AM

Jail in Indonesia is not like jail here. If you have the resources (and they would with gifts from the faithful), its basically a hotel.

Also, they would get released after a few years, and while they were in prison, be able to give interviews, and urge the followers on to commit greater jihad.

Better they are dead - then there is no going back.
Yes, deathpenalty is the best. In jail they can escape, or maybe even released after some years, because "they were friendly and polite" when in prison.
For such people the firesquad is not the real punishment, they will be punished after dead, in hell....

Wally1967

11-09-2008, 02:11 AM

Repost and this thread has no pictures, why post it in the pics section? Merged.

Huh this is in Political discussion and rants.

Opening Batsman

11-09-2008, 02:25 AM

Huh this is in Political discussion and rants.

It is now.

Calanen

11-09-2008, 05:18 AM

Bali bombers Mukhlas, Amrozi, and Imam Samudra shot dead by firing squad

From correspondents in Cilicap
AAP

November 09, 2008 02:40pm

Executed ... the Bali bombers - Amrozi Nurhasyim, Imam Samudra and Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas) - died today after facing a firing squad.

Shot just after midnight local time

Clash with police as bodies arrive home
Timeline: Bombings to executions (http://media.news.com.au/multimedia/mediaplayer/skins/timeline/index.html?id=1142)
HUNDREDS of emotional supporters of the Bali bombers have clashed with police in Tenggulun today as the bodies of two of them arrived at their home village.

Heavily armed police could not control the 500-strong crowd which surged around the ambulances carrying the bodies following their execution overnight.

Clashes broke out and the police were driven off the road amid shouts of “Jihad!” and “Get out!”

There were similar scenes in the west Java town of Serang as Imam Samudra's body was paraded through the streets between his local mosque and graveyard, shrouded in a black cloth bearing a Koranic inscription in Arabic.

Members of a radical group headed by hardline cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, the co-founder of Jemaah Islamiah, who was jailed on a conspiracy charge related to the bombings before being released, pushed people aside to make way for the body.

Westerners in both villages were verbally abused as "infidels" and told to leave.
The three Bali bombers were executed on an Indonesian island earlier today for their lead roles in the 2002 nightclub bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

Earlier, the family of Mukhlas and his younger brother Amrozi said the bombers had been executed along with Imam Samudra just after midnight local time (4am AEDT) on Nusakambangan Island, in Central Java, where they had been jailed.

“Our family has received news of the execution ... May our brothers, God willing, be invited by green birds to heaven now,” Mohammad Chozin, a brother of Mukhlas and Amrozi, said in Tenggulun.

“We're now handling the preparations to bring the bodies back, which may take two hours,” he said outside an Islamic boarding school in the east Java village, as supporters shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greater).

Indonesia's Attorney General's Office (http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=38196&as=news&ac=ninews2&q=Attorney General's Office) this morning confirmed the executions had taken place.

“At 12.15am, the convicts ... were executed by shooting and followed up with an autopsy,” spokesman Jasman Pandjaitan said.

“They have been stated as dead. At this moment the bodies are being washed by the family.”

Attorney General Hendarman Supanji (http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=38196&as=news&ac=ninews2&q=General Hendarman Supanji) is due to hold a press conference in Jakarta at 11am local time (3pm AEDT).

http://www.news.com.au/images/icon_external_link.gif Reaction: Indonesian coverage from The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/)

The bombers were simultaneously shot through the heart by crack Indonesian troops assembled to carry out the task.

They were executed in an orchard some 6km from their prison on Nusakambangan Island, Indonesia's TV One reported.

A source at the prison said they shouted “Allahu Akbar” as they were escorted out of their isolation cells by paramilitary police shortly before their executions.

Australians expressed relief that the men were finally dead, six years after they brought carnage to Bali by sending suicide bombers to attack the Sari Club and nearby Paddy's Bar (http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=38196&as=news&ac=ninews2&q=Paddy's Bar) on October 12, 2002.

“... we've waited a very long time for this and this is our justice,” Sydney woman Maria Kotronakis, who lost two sisters and two cousins, told CNN, struggling at times to speak.

“Finally the moment has come ... we are over the moon.”

Survivor Peter Hughes, of Perth, who suffered horrific burns in the bombings, said the three militants had paid the highest price for mass murder, but their executions did not bring him any joy.

“These guys went to set about mass murder and paid the highest penalty,” he told CNN.

“It doesn't feel good but they did do the crime and they've paid for it.”

The bombers' bodies will soon be flown by helicopter to their home villages for burial within 24 hours, in accordance with Muslim custom.

In Tenggulun, sobbing mourners are converging on the home of Amrozi and Mukhlas' mother.

Hardline cleric Abu Bakar Bashir – the co-founder of Jemaah Islamiah, the group blamed for the Bali bombings – praised the bombers as “holy warriors” during a visit to the village on Saturday.

Security forces are on high alert across the mainly Muslim country, after the bombers urged supporters to carry out revenge attacks if their executions went ahead.

Australian authorities have advised Australians to reconsider the need to travel to Indonesia.

The 2002 Bali attacks were the bloodiest in a sustained period of al-Qaeda-inspired jihadist violence in the world's most populous Muslim country.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24624378-38196,00.html

Calanen

11-09-2008, 05:29 AM

Police scrambles mobile communication at port

The Jakarta Post | Sat, 11/08/2008 6:40 PM | National
The Central Java Police have installed a cellular transmission scrambling device to obstruct mobile telecommunication within 100 meters from the Wijayapura port in Cilacap.

The move was part of a security measure taken in the light of the imminent death penalty execution of three convicted terrorists responsible for killing 202 people from 22 countries in Bali in 2003.

The victims were killed by two devastating explosions ignited by a team of terrorists through a cellular transmission.

Journalists gathering at the port were already feeling the impact of the device, kompas.com reported Saturday noon. The port is the only gateway to the Nusakambangan island where the terrorists -- Amrozi, Ali Gufron and Imam Samudra -- are waiting for their execution.

Earlier, sources told The Jakarta Post that the execution would be carried out at midnight on Saturday by a firing squad. (and)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/11/08/police-scrambles-mobile-communication-port.html

Dr_Fünke

11-09-2008, 07:51 AM

great. now I can pretend that terrorism has been dealt a significant blow, the world is now safer and the indonesian government have proven that they are serious about combating extremism

:roll:

how many others have been further radicalized thanks to this? obviously a few seeing as 3 bombs have already gone off since the date was announced. i imagine this should keep the cycle of revenge well and truly alive

maybe i should just join in with all the emotional and sensationalist tripe the australian media has been plugging non stop for the past few days. i guess nothing grabs the headlines quite like a primitive celebration of gene pool cleansing does....can't wait for the 60 minutes 8hr special on this

LRPV

11-09-2008, 08:05 AM

or you could recognise that retribution is a function of justice. Capital punishment certainly cures recidivism.

Dr_Fünke

11-09-2008, 08:13 AM

or you could recognise that retribution is a function of justice.

justice or revenge?

Capital punishment certainly cures recidivism.so does jail

if you don't think there will be revenge attacks then you musn't have seen the funeral footage. 3 parasites are dead- but how many are there to take their place?

LRPV

11-09-2008, 08:22 AM

justice or revenge?

so does jail

if you've seen the funeral footage and don't think there will be revenge attacks then you're blind. 3 parasites are dead- but how many are there to take their place?

A facet of justice is retribution. Punishment is not meant to be enjoyable.

Jail does not cure recidivism. My previous Department was Justice in my state. I worked in both custodial and community based services divisions. My experience supports the raft of literature (quality research) that demonstrates prison will increase the chance of offending behaviours re-occuring.

The Islamic extremists in Indonesia have stated that their battle will continue until their country has sharia. Whether the terrorists were executed or imprisoned, the bombs will still explode...

Calanen

11-09-2008, 11:18 AM

The Islamic extremists in Indonesia have stated that their battle will continue until their country has sharia. Whether the terrorists were executed or imprisoned, the bombs will still explode...

Yes. They are not going to say, 'I will abandon all jihad attacks now the western infidels have publicly told my government not to apply the death penalty. Good show, you've solved the entire Global Jihad crisis. I'll just go back to being part of the overwhelming majority of peaceful muslims now shall I?'

LazerLordz

11-09-2008, 11:44 AM

The Islamic extremists in Indonesia have stated that their battle will continue until their country has sharia. Whether the terrorists were executed or imprisoned, the bombs will still explode...

There will be greater radicalism, but for the Indonesian government to back down would have been a signal of weakness.

Time to get cracking at the grassroots level and snuff out the conditions leading to radicalism then.

sp2c

11-09-2008, 12:13 PM

great. now I can pretend that terrorism has been dealt a significant blow, the world is now safer and the indonesian government have proven that they are serious about combating extremism

:roll:

don't think this really about making the world a safer place but about justice
Indonesia has laws just like every other country in the world and the penalty for killing so many people is apperantly death by firing squad so that's what they got, they knew they'd get it (if caught) and they took the risk regardless

no need to get all emotional about it

how many others have been further radicalized thanks to this? obviously a few seeing as 3 bombs have already gone off since the date was announced. i imagine this should keep the cycle of revenge well and truly alive

that isn't really obvious since bombs were going off before the date had been announced (and before the Bali bombings alltogether) as well ... it's a morbid kind of business as usual

it's besides the point anyways, you can't just bend your laws just because people might riot over the result, if that were the case then there would be no speed limits on the roads or Dutch soccer matches alltogether

makavelli

11-09-2008, 11:49 PM

Jail in Indonesia is not like jail here. If you have the resources (and they would with gifts from the faithful), its basically a hotel.

Also, they would get released after a few years, and while they were in prison, be able to give interviews, and urge the followers on to commit greater jihad.

Better they are dead - then there is no going back.

your right,..

in the other hand, death also means that they won the war against infidel...
now theyre hookin up with 77 virgins up there...

if they stay in Jail, most likely theyll get media attention for the first 5 years..afterward, who cares?
Theyll just eat egg and meat once a week in a stinky Indonesian prison...

digrar

11-10-2008, 12:25 AM

That's not an accurate representation of life for them in gaol.

Indonesia has the death penalty, these people killed 202 people and injured many many more, they harmed their own countries tourism industry and have caused significant hardship for many Balinese. They got the appropriate justice for a crime committed in Indonesia.

They haven't won anything, if Amrozi really believed he was about to get 72 virgins he wouldn't have been a pale, scared, sick looking figure as he was led to his execution.
In a country of around 200 million Muslims, they had about 2000 people show up to their funeral and there are media reports coming out that a lot of the dramatics on display were little more than a show for cameras, not quite the result you'd think a successful Jihadist was looking for.

uTu

11-10-2008, 12:34 AM

Glad they're dead.

Kilgor

11-10-2008, 12:35 AM

if they stay in Jail, most likely theyll get media attention for the first 5 years..afterward, who cares?
Theyll just eat egg and meat once a week in a stinky Indonesian prison...

I dont trust the Indonesian government, they could change and be more Radical and these guys could be pardoned.

Im glad they were shot, it leaves nothing to chance for the future.

And as mentioned before, these guys were living very well in Jail, enjoying their status, gifts, and smiles all round with their captives.

oldsoak

11-10-2008, 10:27 AM

Dr_Fünke

11-10-2008, 10:46 AM

A facet of justice is retribution. Punishment is not meant to be enjoyable.

Jail does not cure recidivism. My previous Department was Justice in my state. I worked in both custodial and community based services divisions. My experience supports the raft of literature (quality research) that demonstrates prison will increase the chance of offending behaviours re-occuring.

how does somebody reoffend when they're serving a life sentence?

The Islamic extremists in Indonesia have stated that their battle will continue until their country has sharia. Whether the terrorists were executed or imprisoned, the bombs will still explode...that doesn't mean governments around the world who are fighting terrorism (or at least pretending to) should act mindlessly when things could be inflamed unnnecessarily

Dr_Fünke

11-10-2008, 10:49 AM

I dont trust the Indonesian government, they could change and be more Radical and these guys could be pardoned.

doubt it. indonesia lost plenty of people too, the majority of the population wouldn't want them to be paradoned anymore than we would.

Dr_Fünke

11-10-2008, 10:52 AM

Yes. They are not going to say, 'I will abandon all jihad attacks now the western infidels have publicly told my government not to apply the death penalty. Good show, you've solved the entire Global Jihad crisis. I'll just go back to being part of the overwhelming majority of peaceful muslims now shall I?'

you obviously haven't listened to the argument against their execution. at all.

Jobu

11-10-2008, 11:05 AM

Good riddance.

Kilgor

11-10-2008, 02:27 PM

doubt it. indonesia lost plenty of people too, the majority of the population wouldn't want them to be paradoned anymore than we would.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakar_Bashir

Was given a pathetically short Jail term and then had it cut further. So I stand behind my justification.

sujithkochi

11-10-2008, 05:09 PM

I just wish Indian govt also show the same guts to execute the terrorists who was handed down the death sentence previously but which was later reduced to life in prison.

makavelli

11-10-2008, 11:23 PM

I dont trust the Indonesian government, they could change and be more Radical and these guys could be pardoned.

Im glad they were shot, it leaves nothing to chance for the future.

And as mentioned before, these guys were living very well in Jail, enjoying their status, gifts, and smiles all round with their captives.

true in a way..

but if you look at Indonesia's history in terms of radicalism, there's no doubt that they'll fight terorism..

not too mention
- Darul Islam 1948 to 1962
- Commies (Soekarno era)
- many other extrimist act..

but yeah, they could be pardoned during independence day by the president they got good behaviour during the jail terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakar_Bashir

Was given a pathetically short Jail term and then had it cut further. So I stand behind my justification.
not enough evidence to link or proof to jail him further..
wish the det88 were better trained..

and yeah, majority of Indonesian ppl still vote for death penalty and against terorism even if majority are moslems...thats good in a way that closest neighbours arent afghanistan or Iran..