Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses

[loganinkosovo]

The Fix is IN!!!!




Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:32 PM


COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A federal judge in Ohio has ruled that counties must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations that aren't buildings as their addresses. U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus also ruled that provisional ballots can't be invalidated because of poll worker errors.
Monday's ruling resolved the final two pieces of a settlement between the Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.
The coalition agreed to drop a constitutional challenge to Ohio's voter identification law until after the Nov. 4 election. In return, Brunner and the coalition agreed on procedures to verify provisional ballots across all Ohio counties.
The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional ballots would disenfranchise some voters.




http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

[Lefty]

Your city might already have these laws in place, they aren't anything new, in my county, you just list the clerks office as your addy.

I honestly don't think this will change the vote by much.

[loganinkosovo]

Your city might already have these laws in place, they aren't anything new, in my county, you just list the clerks office as your addy.

I honestly don't think this will change the vote by much.


The last two elections the Democrat campaign was busing homeless to each polling station and having them vote in as many as they could get away with and paying them in Booze and Cigs.

It's bloody illegal and should stay that way.

[Thor]

The last two elections the Democrat campaign was busing homeless to each polling station and having them vote in as many as they could get away with and paying them in Booze and Cigs.
Sounds like the average Obama supporter on this board.

[Winger]

If your homeless and want to vote you should be forced to list a recognized facility like a homeless shelter or a government building.

[21stArmada]

I am sure, the homeless will drop everything that day to go and vote. I can just picture them lining up hours ahead.

Do these people seriousely thing, homeless people will vote?

[Winger]

I am sure, the homeless will drop everything that day to go and vote. I can just picture them lining up hours ahead.

Do these people seriousely thing, homeless people will vote?

You just can't underestimate the power of racial motivation. Both ways.

[seraosha]

I am sure, the homeless will drop everything that day to go and vote. I can just picture them lining up hours ahead.

Do these people seriousely thing, homeless people will vote?

You are relatively new to this planet we call Earth.
Welcome.

Yes, loading homeless folks onto party busses where they are bribed with booze and smokes, going from voting location to voting location is almost as "American" as apple pie. They used to put them on horse driven carts back in the day.


"Vote early and vote often."
-- Al Capone

[IraGlacialis]

Yes, loading homeless folks onto party busses where they are bribed with booze and smokes, going from voting location to voting location is almost as "American" as apple pie. They used to put them on horse driven carts back in the day.
Indeed.
Boss Tweed and Pendergast would be proud of this ruling.

[Invisigoth]

The last two elections the Democrat campaign was busing homeless to each polling station and having them vote in as many as they could get away with and paying them in Booze and Cigs.

It's bloody illegal and should stay that way.

So because you don't have an address you shouldn't have the right to vote? I guess it would undermine GOP vote caging strategies and ultimately its only chance to win.

[seraosha]

Give a homeless shelter as an address, something that can be verified if need be...a parkbench, contrary to popular opinion, does not keep records, nor cares whose ass is parked on it.

744,000 are listed as Homeless in the US...that's a lot of parkbenches.

stats link (http://informedvoters.wordpress.com/2007/01/16/the-homeless-the-hungry-and-the-working-poor/)

[willytee]

The last two elections the Democrat campaign was busing homeless to each polling station and having them vote in as many as they could get away with and paying them in Booze and Cigs.

It's bloody illegal and should stay that way.


It should be illegal. It's just another tactic used especially by the Democrats. Democrats=Free Handouts! Id probably vote for Dems too if i was homeless, especially obama cause he promises change and hope. Bout all you can hope for when yur homeless.

[XShipRider]

I am sure, the homeless will drop everything that day to go and vote. I can just picture them lining up hours ahead.

Do these people seriousely thing, homeless people will vote?

The trick is to get them to register. Then it's a simple matter of plying them with their vice of choice to allow the activist to fill out their early absentee ballot, checking straight down the Democrat side of the ticket, and making the very generous offer to drop it in the mail for them.

Dude, this tactic has the Windy City's cemetary registrants beat hands down.

You won't hear a word of it from the unbiased Fourth Estate.

[gaijinsamurai]

Sounds like the average Obama supporter on this board.

Yeah, we Obama supporters are voting for him because we're all a bunch of corrupt and immoral criminals.

Eat a dick, Thor.

[gaijinsamurai]

If your homeless and want to vote you should be forced to list a recognized facility like a homeless shelter or a government building.

Why? If you can prove you're a citizen, registered, and eligible to vote, why should you lose the right just because you are homeless?

[Kaplanr]

The last two elections the Democrat campaign was busing homeless to each polling station and having them vote in as many as they could get away with and paying them in Booze and Cigs.

It's bloody illegal and should stay that way.

BULL****! Show me one blotter or news release vindicating your supposition.

[Hot Lips]

When were homeless people bribed by the DNC with cigs and booze for votes?


Is that true or this a Palinism... if you say it with a straight face, it must be true.


If so, were these the actions of individuals or party officials? And how would they guarentee the actual vote of such a person?

[Calanen]

I've seen that ACORN was doing this, but not the Democrats themselves. Maybe just there supporters, I think which the Dems are not responsible for.

[Andrew Chalmers]

I think we need to differentiate between voting fraud and voter registration fraud.

ACORN employees have committed numerous instances of voter registration fraud because ACORN's employees were basically asked to fulfill a set quota each day & their compensation contingent on submitting a full quota each day.

Voter registration fraud does not really threaten the election in states where first time voters are required to provide photo identification - Mickey Mouse is not going to show up to vote.

Voting fraud OTOH - is as American as apple pie and will remain with us as long as local authorities retain the authority to run elections as they see fit. Transparency is the ultimate disinfectant - but it is obviously lacking.

[Bia]

We should do popular vote only... and prick our fingers and mark with blood.




lulZ :P

[loganinkosovo]

http://www.wisn.com/sh/election2000/stories/election2000-20001105-143203.html



Cigarettes Distributed For Gore Vote

Homeless Voters Given Ride, Cigarettes

MILWAUKEE, Updated 12:21 a.m. EST November 6, 2000 -- Campaign volunteers for the Democratic Presidential campaign were discovered distributing cigarettes to homeless voters after the volunteers had recruited the homeless specifically for their vote Saturday.


[/URL] Gore Campaigners Distribute Cigarettes (http://broadband.ibsys.com:8080/ramgen/2000/1105/156010.rm?usehostname&owner=mil&site=mil&app=page)
Milwaukee's WISN 12 News caught workers for Vice President Al Gore's campaign giving packs of cigarettes to homeless voters that they had transported to cast absentee ballots.








"We've been pretty busy, going to the shelters," campaign volunteer Connie Milstein said. Milstein volunteers for the Gore campaign in New York and came to Milwaukee to help get out the vote.
"They had a couple vans, and said they'd give us a ride. So I took a ride," George Scharf said. Scharf is a homeless voter who said he had planned to vote for Gore anyway, and that voters weren't told about the free cigarettes till after they were at the polls.

"They didn't mention that until we got down there anyway," he said.
However, a Milwaukee Rescue Mission employee said that he had to ask democratic campaign volunteers to leave the property after he caught them trying to bribe potential voters with packs of cigarettes.

But one voter said that he did not feel like he was bribed for his vote.

"They just came and asked us to go and vote," Bob Socha said. Socha also said that he enjoys voting and was already planning to vote for Gore.

A representative from the Milwaukee County Bush campaign said that the tactics of the Gore campaigners raises a few questions.

"Even aside from the law itself, I just think most people on a gut check level would say that's wrong," [URL="http://www.legis.state.wi.us/assembly/asm14/asm14.html"]Rep. Scott Walker (http://www.wisn.com/sh/miscellaneous/stories/miscellaneous-55263520010321-120323.html) (R - 14th District) said. "One has to question if they were going to be voting anyway, one has to question why would the campaign, the Gore campaign, be giving anything out, other than a ride to vote. "

After viewing WISN 12's video tape, a local representative of the Gore campaign issued a response to the democratic campaigners who distributed the cigarettes.

"This kind of activity described by Channel 12 is not the kind of help we ask for and it's the kind of help we flat-out reject. These volunteers were from out of state, acting on their own and this was not part of any official Democratic 'get out the vote' activity in Wisconsin. They have left the state and we will not invite them to return," wrote Susan Lagana, a spokeswoman for the Democratic Coordinated Campaign.

[loganinkosovo]

http://www.palestra.net/blogs/read/16408





Homeless Vote in Colmbus

There is plenty of controversy surrounding Ohio's early voting period, and now I can see why. (Click the link above to see the story in video.)
Multiple organizations are driving homeless people to the polls and encouraging them to vote. While these organizations claim to be bipartisan, it is questionable as to whether or not they are pushing an agenda. Some expressed the importance on simply getting people to vote, while others seemed more focused on endorsing a particular candidate.
First of all, I have a heart for homeless people. As a matter of fact, I didn't even intend to do a story about them when I headed to Vet's Memorial in Columbus, Ohio yesterday... I set out to do a story on students who were taking advantage of Ohio's "Golden Week," a period of 7 days in which Ohioans can register to vote and cast a ballot at the same time.
However when I showed up to the polls, I came across a measly 2 students in the 30 minutes that I was there. But who I did encounter were homeless people. A LOT of homeless people. All had been transported to Vets by volunteers.
On one hand, I can understand that volunteers want to support those who have a hard time getting to the polls. However on the other hand, I am skeptical that some volunteers approach the situation from an "I'll help you if you help me" standpoint, if you know what I mean...
It dawned on me about the time a homeless man stumbled over, reeking of booze and mumbling his words, to ask if he could be on TV. Did these guys even know what was going on??
"Who are you voting for?" I asked another homeless man. "Baraaaack," he replied. "I want him to do his thang, you know, do his THUG THIZZLE, you know..."
As I started interviewing the homeless men, it became clear that some of their "buddies" who drove them to the polls were pushing quite an agenda. I am not saying all volunteers did this, but there were certainly a few. It appeared as if the homeless guys were being bribed with rides, food, and who-knows-what to go "vote."
After the cameras were off, my new THUG-THIZZLE friend told me that he wasn't even from Ohio and that he was getting on a Greyhound to go back to Chicago. Yet he was voting in one of the key battleground states? How was that fair?
And how was he going to get to the Greyhound station? His "friend" that had brought him to the poll promised to take him wherever he wanted... the only problem was, his friend was long gone.
A Columbus resident named Connie Hampton told me she was driving by bus stops and telling people to get in the car to go vote. Did she care whether or not they were informed of politically involved? Not one bit. She said there were so many registered voters out there that were uninformed anyways that it didn't matter.
A Vote-From-Home volunteer Marc Gustafson told me that this was a perfect opportunity for "transients" to come in and register at a temporary address like a homeless shelter because "they didn't know where they were going to be the next week."
While I think it is kind of these volunteers to lend a helping hand, I don't understand the big push to get homeless people to vote. If these guys don't even know where they are going to be next week, why would you want them voting in your state and affecting your electorate? Why would you want them voting in the first place?
I guess that was explained by THUG THIZZLE himself. "I mean if they say sign the ballot, just give it and do exactly what they ask you to do, I mean, this is America, you know what I mean? Hahahaa."
All that these homeless people need to register and vote is the last 4 digits of their social security number. No SS card, no proof, no nada. Just 4 numbers.
An OSU professor of Election Law told me that ideally, the state will go through and match up all of the early-vote absentee ballots with voters and their social security numbers so that fraudulent votes won't be a problem.
With Ohio being such a key swing state, let's sure hope so.

[loganinkosovo]

http://www.610wtvn.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=268656&article=4424645





The Homeless Vote

Ohio's early voting law is raising controversial issues--homeless would-be voters without i.d. or without a permanent address.
By WTVN'S Christy Chatman
Friday, October 17, 2008
Ex-cons can vote in Ohio, as long as they have an address. But what if you don't have a home? 610 WTVN'S Christy Chatman put the question to the secretary of state's office.

"Under Ohio law a person's residence--their address for voting purposes is the place they live and where they intend to return if they're away from that location," spokesman Brian Clark said.

When registering to vote, homeless people may designate a shelter as a place of residence.

But the biggest challenge homeless advocates say they're facing in this election is the would-be homeless voter who lives on a street corner or under a bridge. How do they register without an address?

"That's a good question, we want to make sure those people do exercise their right to vote and Ohio law does contemplate ways to make sure they can register," Clark said.

In some states, homeless people can designate a park, or street corner as their residence.

The National Coalition of Homeless set a goal to register 25 thousand homeless people for the 2008 presidential election.

In Columbus, volunteers supporting Barack Obama claim they picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place where they could register and vote on the same day.

Republicans argue that the early voting law led to widespread voter fraud because election officials didn't have the time to verify registration before ballots were cast.

In a statement released by Deputy Chairman Kevin Dewine, with the Ohio Republican Party:

"People are being bribed with cigarettes, money and alcohol to register and in some cases vote. College students are manipulating residency requirements to cast illegal ballots. And Jennifer Brunner is working to hide all of it while claiming she's seen no evidence of fraud. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad."
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner is appealing an order that her office set up an system that provides names of newly-registered voters--the ones whose driver's license numbers or voter registration forms don't match records in other government databases.

Brunner's office said Thursday that 200 thousand newly-registered voters are in question.

"We believe that most of these are due to just simple errors like when a voter filled out their registration form--maybe they put down a 4 and the temporary worker thought it was a 9," Clark said.

[XShipRider]

Why? If you can prove you're a citizen, registered, and eligible to vote, why should you lose the right just because you are homeless?

The problem becomes what district, precinct and/or ward you register for. Can you simply float to the vicinity in which you want to vote? Sort of a poor man's 'self-gerrymandering' option.

I live on a street where the street is the demarcation line between wards. Could a homeless person simply decide on a whim to change wards giving specific candidates advantage or influence specific legislation?

I am not against the homeless voting, but there must be hard and fast rules to limit the possibility of line jumping. Though this may not affect the presidential election to any great degree, it could certainly have a detrimental effect on local issues.

We have quite a few local issues which are decided by no more than a few hundred votes. There is potential for abuse.

[LazerLordz]

Sounds like the average Obama supporter on this board.

Keeping the tar brush in your pants might help more than that statement.

[willytee]

We should do popular vote only... and prick our fingers and mark with blood.




lulZ :P


I duno about just popular vote only. Then canidates would lie and say all sorts of stuff to get elected that isnt true at all.. Oh wait oops thats going on right now.

Then if you do popular vote only what about all the ill-educated people voting just because the guy is a good speaker or is charismatic and they dont look into the persons history or voting?

[MareCar]

I duno about just popular vote only. Then canidates would lie and say all sorts of stuff to get elected that isnt true at all.. Oh wait oops thats going on right now.

Then if you do popular vote only what about all the ill-educated people voting just because the guy is a good speaker or is charismatic and they dont look into the persons history or voting?

Hi, welcome to the world, I would like to introduce you to Mr. Democracy. Ask him about the Bill of Rights, the French Revolution and the Social Contract by Rousseau.

[willytee]

Hi, welcome to the world, I would like to introduce you to Mr. Democracy. Ask him about the Bill of Rights, the French Revolution and the Social Contract by Rousseau.


Nicely said, hello Democracy!

[Dasein]

The problem becomes what district, precinct and/or ward you register for. Can you simply float to the vicinity in which you want to vote? Sort of a poor man's 'self-gerrymandering' option.

I live on a street where the street is the demarcation line between wards. Could a homeless person simply decide on a whim to change wards giving specific candidates advantage or influence specific legislation?

I am not against the homeless voting, but there must be hard and fast rules to limit the possibility of line jumping. Though this may not affect the presidential election to any great degree, it could certainly have a detrimental effect on local issues.

We have quite a few local issues which are decided by no more than a few hundred votes. There is potential for abuse.

Those are legitimate concerns, but one cannot simply disenfranchise people because it is more convenient to do so from a logistics standpoint.

[Dasein]

I've seen that ACORN was doing this, but not the Democrats themselves. Maybe just there supporters, I think which the Dems are not responsible for.

There's a difference between registering to vote and actually voting.

[seraosha]

Those are legitimate concerns, but one cannot simply disenfranchise people because it is more convenient to do so from a logistics standpoint.

Yeah, we should go back to male, white land owners, right?
BS, there has got to be a better solution than busing homeless and bribed folks from poll to poll.

[11 Bravo]

There's a difference between registering to vote and actually voting.

There is also a difference of multitudes of dead and non existant people voting - and voting often...and demoslobik at that. It's the chicago thing but on a grand scale...... wait does'nt the messiah come from chicago...oh hell .