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I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could
feed a medium sized village in Africa.


rofl

[Midav]

This is good. Thanks for posting this!!

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could
feed a medium sized village in Africa.


rofl

LMAO rofl rofl

[stuntman]

Very good !

Weep em man it's CAG 147!

[memphiz]

Wow, great post :D

[ariweiner]

Whoa, should I go ahead and deconstruct the claims made in this "apology"? They should be pretty obvious but unfortunately many people don't seem very up on their liberal arts (eg:logic, rhetoric etc)

[usa320]

HOLY **** THAT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL POST IVE READ IN WEEKS.

[ArmedPacifist]

Whoa, should I go ahead and deconstruct the claims made in this "apology"? They should be pretty obvious but unfortunately many people don't seem very up on their liberal arts (eg:logic, rhetoric etc)

I agree, lot of BS in this "apology", hell it's not even an apology, it shifts blame to everyone else. An apology takes full responsibility anyway...

Do us all a favour and stop spreading this **** around the internet. It's bad enough someone wrote it.

[Red]

Whoa, should I go ahead and deconstruct the claims made in this "apology"? They should be pretty obvious but unfortunately many people don't seem very up on their liberal arts (eg:logic, rhetoric etc)
Please feel free to do so,then i will deconstruct your rebuttal.I dont agree with everything in the post but it makes some sense but you will have none of it.As far as you are concerned it is the fault of those dammed americans that the earth is spherical.

[anonymous individual]

Whoa, should I go ahead and deconstruct the claims made in this "apology"? They should be pretty obvious but unfortunately many people don't seem very up on their liberal arts (eg:logic, rhetoric etc)

In all seriousness, please do. This is a discussion board and I think arguements are encouraged to some extend in here.

By the way, the post is funny. It should have been made into a poetry.

[OB Kenobi]

Hey that's no apology.

[Falco]

Hey that's no apology.

lol

[DE_Six]

Good stuff. :lol:

An apology for Abu Graihb? Sorry for the PR faux-pas... :lol:

C'mon, it's a war. And to quote http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/wargames.html:


Photos of my prisoner interrogations have emerged, sparking international outrage because several prisoners were upset and humiliated and some even physically harmed.

The whole world is shocked. Because people were physically harmed.

In a war.

[ShadowNeo]

Photos of my prisoner interrogations have emerged, sparking international outrage because several prisoners were upset and humiliated and some even physically harmed.

The whole world is shocked. Because people were physically harmed.

In a war.

What a crap excuse. When did full combat operations cease? When did the "war" end? Do you classify the current rebuilding of Iraq as a "war"?

I don't understand why you can't show remorse for this, instead you try to shrug it off. If it had been British soldiers involved, I would be utterly ashamed.

[ChuckThunder]

Nevermind. :(

Video I was going to show no longer works.

[usa320]

What a crap excuse. When did full combat operations cease? When did the "war" end? Do you classify the current rebuilding of Iraq as a "war"?


Try lecturing suicidal militants who enjoy cutting off people's heads on the rules of war.

[ShadowNeo]

Try lecturing suicidal militants who enjoy cutting off people's heads on the rules of war.

And a hard task that would be none the less, but made somewhat worse if they see Arabs standing on boxes with wires attached to them, stacked naked in human pyramids, crouching on the floor with a lead around their neck like a dog.

So your saying, because the militants can abuse and kill their prisoners, we should do the same?

[DE_Six]

What a crap excuse. When did full combat operations cease? When did the "war" end? Do you classify the current rebuilding of Iraq as a "war"?

I don't understand why you can't show remorse for this, instead you try to shrug it off. If it had been British soldiers involved, I would be utterly ashamed.

It's not an excuse, it's a perspective. Don't take this too seriously, it comes from a joke.

What happened in Abu Grhaib is shameful, I'm not American and I'm ashamed, no argument there. Especially if we ("westerners") hold our troops to higher moral standards than our enemies.

But I think it's worth putting it in perspective. Yes, it was bad. But worse, much worse happened and no one is crying for apologies. Should Arabs apologize for 9/11, given the fact that all the hijackers were Arabs? Then why should any American apologize for Abu Graihb (which was nowhere near as horrible a crime, objectively)?

War is not pretty. People are horrified by a few naked guys playing human pyramid. Jeez. It's tasteless, but it's nothing. What about the young Marine who died with his guts spilled on the pavement? What about the father whose daughter was crushed in her sleep when a bomb hit the neighborhood. What about the PMCs that were savagely murdered and mutilated by a ghoulish mob? Where are the apologies?

The spin on this affair is ridiculous, and ridiculous claims for apologies deserve ridiculous response. Here you got it.

To answer your first question, I don't think this war is over. It has changed, that's all. Foreign terrorists have replaced the Iraqi soldiers, but the country ain't peaceful. Why should the war be over? Because Bush said so in May 2003? So when he says that, everyone believes it, but not his WMD story? What is this double standard?

Cheers lad

[DE_Six]

double tap

[Combat Wombat]

What a crap excuse. When did full combat operations cease? When did the "war" end? Do you classify the current rebuilding of Iraq as a "war"?

I don't understand why you can't show remorse for this, instead you try to shrug it off. If it had been British soldiers involved, I would be utterly ashamed.

We were ashamed by it. But we punished the bastards that did it and got over it. The rest of the world wants to drag it on for the sake of making America look like **** for just one more thing.

[Tane Angle]

Maybe we owe an apology because US troops officially represent the United States of America. The terrorists who committed those atrocities on September 11th did not represent anyone but themselves and the leaders of AQO. That is a huge difference.

Also, those human pyramids and unknown women touching the male genitals of unclothed prisoners is an extremely huge deal in the Muslim world. It may be "tastless" or "inappropriate" in the West, but in the Middle East it's an afront of a hundredfold more significance.

Moreover, having spent a day or two in the Middle East, I have made many Muslim friends, from different sects. Some are Iraqi Shiites, some are Iraqi Sunnis, some are Saudi, and many others from other groups. Believe me, on September 11th, and everytime someone in their ethnic group or nationality attacks Americans, they apologize as soon as they possibly can. Not just secular leaders, but also religious clerics and regular people.

Perhaps most...telling of how head-spinningly complex and confusing the Middle East can be...is that after September 11th, certain people who had formerly fought the United States and other western nations in a war of terrorism/counter-terrorism apologized for their fellow Muslims and expressed what I believe to be sincere sympathies, solidarity, and sorrow. Some have even put their own reputations and lives at risk to help quell the fighting in Iraq.

After some of those apologies, I had to ask "Why did they say that? Don't they remember that we were trying to kill one another not so many years ago?" And then I remember, just because we were enemies once, doesn't mean we can't be friends today. Some enemies who would do anything to kill Americans almost randomly didn't pull the trigger, and instead said "Go in peace, my brother." It doesn't make any sense, but those same people later apologized. It's not a black and white world out there. I've lived most of my life in the gray.

Just because you don't hear about it everyday doesn't mean it isn't happening. I do remember very public apologies and expressions of sympathy, sorrow, and solidarity following September 11th. I can only hope that most Americans have been returning the favor and expressing our solidarity with the Australians who lost so many of their countrymen in Bali, or the Spanish, or the Turks, or the Iraqis, or the Saudis, just to name a few of the nationalities of some of the victims of terrorist attacks.

Some might say that one cannot compare 9/11 to those other attacks. I have a feeling that they are equally horrible and tragic in terms of the grief of loved ones. A death in one attack is no less tragic than a death in another attack. The families feel the same pain.

So have we? Have we returned the expressions of solidarity and sympathy? After even the largest bombings in Iraq, have we taken the day off work to hold candlelight vigils and wave Iraqi and hold up signs saying "We love Iraq," and "Iraqis & Americans: Brothers." I've extended my sympathies, solidarity, and sorrow to Iraqis killed by Americans, their fellow Iraqis, or terrorist groups. I did so not just because it's the right thing to do, but because I know that they did the same for us on 9/11.

This is by no means a condemnation of anyone. Rather, it is an attempt to say that the rest of the world did apologize, and the rest of the world did do all of those things to show solidarity with us. If you haven't seen it, you're just not looking hard enough, I'm sorry.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[DE_Six]

Maybe we owe an apology because US troops officially represent the United States of America. The terrorists who committed those atrocities on September 11th did not represent anyone but themselves and the leaders of AQO. That is a huge difference.


Very true. Point taken.

As always, the voice of reason. Thanks.


I just have a hard time understanding how people, here and abroad, make such sh*tstorms out of sordid incidents when much more critical or dramatic events happen in the same timeframe. It got in the way of my judgment on this one, I guess.

[Flagg]

Once again...very impressive Tane


I would classify this email in the same category as the many other funny, melodramatic, sad, patriotic, and/or proud emails I've received over the last nearly 3 years regarding September 11th, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the War on Terror.

It has it's place....I found it had the same impact on me as the odd off-colour joke I get from friends.....where I'm left feeling somewhat embarrassed at enjoying it.

I couldn't possibly attempt to convey my thoughts any better than Tane has done...so I will not even try.

I will however say that I'm concerned about those that read this and material like it, and take it as gospel...rather than with a grain or two of salt.