Obsession radical Islam's war against the West

[INAT]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7455576529516871516&hl=en

Features clips from Arab television.Exposes the myth of a moderate Muslim and shows what is sold to the West and what is said in private among Muslims.

[Invisigoth]

Yes, all those damn Muslims! All of them!

[perdurabo]

i have viewed whole movie, real good piece of jurnalism, shows a bit scary vision but if we won't stand up our countries can change into places where 13year old girls are stoned to death for beeing raped.

[Alfacentori]

I viewed the whole video, seemed like a good piece of journalism to me as well, a bit of shock footage of course but not anti Islam by any stretch, it makes a point of acknowledging moderates, although it does also point out their silent stance.

I wrote a paper on this in 1st semester this year, comparing Neofascist Islam to Nazi Fascism- result was I got marked down by my PC tutor as it was a 'big claim'.

The West is most certainly asleep on the issue, some aren't, but most are far more concerned with how anti terror laws might infringe on their rights as opposed to what actually spawned the need for such laws in the first place.

Alfa

[Calanen]

I wrote a paper on this in 1st semester this year, comparing Neofascist Islam to Nazi Fascism- result was I got marked down by my PC tutor as it was a 'big claim'.


The comparison and rhetoric are striking. Far more similarities than differences. Hamas even uses the Nazi salute.

There has been a recent attempt though to scrub that down the memory hole, a lot of pictures and vids of Hamas doing Nazi stuff has been removed from the internet.

[Invisigoth]

yeah great piece of journalism. rofl

[DID]

For the moment west have more important problem than lay in paranoia.
All this "Muslim fanatic invaders" his the last subject that a lot of concerned peoples in Europe and now in USA want to hear about because it's stupid and dont allow us to focus on real problems like starving peoples around the world, financial crisis, homeless in our western streets, AIDS...to add protection of our earth and nature. So Islamic terrorism is going to disapear in the next decade, why? Because without western media coverage on it the job of these stone-age integrist is useless, even a lot of muslims dont care about this sh*t and are sick to be the first to die from all the suicide bombers (like in Pakistan and Iraq).

[perdurabo]

yeah great piece of journalism. rofl
did you view movie or you are just a$$ without any deaper thought?

[T-Rex]

I think this video in nothing else but a great commercial for radical Islam. I stopped watching after the first 5 minutes. It is one thing to watch scenes of martrydom, bombings or interviews given by the experts, but, I'd be hard pressed to believe all of what these guys are saying. This video shows nothing good of what is the Middle East. Secondly, as is my own opinion, I think that a lot of what is shown in this video should be classified, or else it could be used as propaganda for radical Isalm.

[Alfacentori]

I think this video in nothing else but a great commercial for radical Islam. I stopped watching after the first 5 minutes. It is one thing to watch scenes of martrydom, bombings or interviews given by the experts, but, I'd be hard pressed to believe all of what these guys are saying. This video shows nothing good of what is the Middle East. Secondly, as is my own opinion, I think that a lot of what is shown in this video should be classified, or else it could be used as propaganda for radical Isalm.

Just curious, how can you form an opinion in regards to what they are saying if you only watched 5 minutes?

As for classifiying it, almost everything they show is from public Tv in the Mid East and the Internet, it's viewed and available to millions, these aren't propaganda videos they are showing sent to CNN by extremists.
How are we going to classify pubic Arab tv and the internet?

Alfa

[Calanen]

So Islamic terrorism is going to disapear in the next decade, why? Because without western media coverage on it the job of these stone-age integrist is useless, even a lot of muslims dont care about this sh*t and are sick to be the first to die from all the suicide bombers (like in Pakistan and Iraq).

So your solution is - ignore it and it will go away? Fantastic strategy there. We need more men like you on CENTCOM.

[Calanen]

I had not seen this video before, just read about it. Well worth a look. It is interesting to hear the perspective of muslims and former muslims, such as Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist - who tells you exactly what is happening.

It's well worth a look. Although:

"There are none so blind, as those who will not see..."

so some will always remain unconvinced no matter what happens.

[muck]

did you view movie or you are just a$$ without any deaper thought?He's a German, we must not say a bad word about ethnic or religious minorities in our country.

"These people from Turkey and the Middle East with their manifold customs and habits, their hartiness and their vitality have to be welcomed by us, they represent an important asset and improvement to our own culture." - Maria Boehmer, German Secretary of State for Integration

"Germans are pigs, they are infidels, they need to die, we will kill all of them and take their women as slaves." - Meti Kaplan, spiritual precursor of islamism in Germany

[LaoSexMachine]

For the moment west have more important problem than lay in paranoia.
All this "Muslim fanatic invaders" his the last subject that a lot of concerned peoples in Europe and now in USA want to hear about because it's stupid and dont allow us to focus on real problems like starving peoples around the world, financial crisis, homeless in our western streets, AIDS...to add protection of our earth and nature. So Islamic terrorism is going to disapear in the next decade, why? Because without western media coverage on it the job of these stone-age integrist is useless, even a lot of muslims dont care about this sh*t and are sick to be the first to die from all the suicide bombers (like in Pakistan and Iraq).


I love the whole conspiracy of using Islam as an escape from some problems at home.

Finacial crisis- all over the news.

homeless in our western streets- Everyone knows about it and their are programs to help them.

AIDs= Where have you been?

[Calanen]

I love the whole conspiracy of using Islam as an escape from some problems at home.

Finacial crisis- all over the news.

homeless in our western streets- Everyone knows about it and their are programs to help them.

AIDs= Where have you been?

Distraction and obfuscation at every turn. This is only the latest variation of it. It normally is something like 'Yeah well what about the black man, crusades, colonialism, etc'. Imagine if you were appointed to a committee to clean up rubbish on the streets, and every time you sat down for a meeting, someone said "Well what about the Crusades huh? What about Colonialism.' You would never clean up the streets, which is exactly what those who hate us want - and more than that you would never be even able to direct attention to why the streets need a cleaning, so overwhelmed are you by deflection, distraction.

Stay focussed, ignore the misdirection. It is merely another weapon of those who wish us dead, and only confuses the simple-minded and weak.

[Bushranger]

Very good video, as others have said we all need to take our blinkers off & realise whats happening. Hopefully more moderates will become outspoken against jihadist.

[4X4Driver]

He's a German, we must not say a bad word about ethnic or religious minorities in our country.

"These people from Turkey and the Middle East with their manifold customs and habits, their hartiness and their vitality have to be welcomed by us, they represent an important asset and improvement to our own culture." - Maria Boehmer, German Secretary of State for Integration

"Germans are pigs, they are infidels, they need to die, we will kill all of them and take their women as slaves." - Meti Kaplan, spiritual precursor of islamism in Germany

Sadly..the German gov't gave him and his family asylum and protected them from Turkish justice for 20 years when we wanted to try him with death penalty for declaring Jihad on Turkish state. He was extradited only after Turkey had to abolish the death penalty....sad that they waited so long to ban his organization.


The self-styled Caliph of Cologne, Metin Kaplan, heads the first organisation to be banned under new German anti-terror laws following 11 September.


He has served a four-year prison sentence in Germany for inciting members of his group, the Caliphate State, to murder a rival Islamic leader.
A German court has now ruled that he can be extradited to Turkey to face treason charges.
The decision overturns a previous ruling that he was unlikely to receive a fair trial in Turkey. His calls for the violent overthrow of the Turkish state and its replacement with an Islamic regime have made him a wanted man in Turkey.


According to intelligence reports, a group of his followers travelled to Turkey at the end of October 1998 to carry out two attacks.

Turkish officials say they planned to fly a plane into the mausoleum of Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, on the 75th anniversary of the country's establishment.

As that was taking place, militants were supposed to storm a mosque in Istanbul.

Turkish authorities say they foiled the plans, and 25 people were arrested.
Mr Kaplan has declared that it is every Muslim's duty to wage holy war.

"Every Muslim should overthrow the bad regimes in his country and set up an Islamic state," he has said.

Islam and democracy, he claims, are incompatible.

Millionaire
Mr Kaplan came to Germany in 1983, claiming asylum as he was then threatened with the death penalty in Turkey.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1705886.stm

[muck]

Sadly..the German gov't gave him and his family asylum and protected them from Turkish justice for 20 years when we wanted to try him with death penalty for declaring Jihad on Turkish state. He was extradited only after Turkey had to abolish the death penalty....sad that they waited so long to ban his organization. And up to now he's the one and only Islamic hate preacher who has been dealt with accordingly. As soon as criticism arised against others like the ultra-islamic Ahmadiyya sect, a leftist public outcry swept the critics away and stigmatized them as Nazis. When a popular German crime show ("Tatort") wanted to bring an episode featuring a honour killing in their environment (based on true events) they filed a suit against state-run ARD television and successfully let the movie ban from broadcast.

[Calanen]

And up to now he's the one and only Islamic hate preacher who has been dealt with accordingly. As soon as criticism arised against others like the ultra-islamic Ahmadiyya sect, a leftist public outcry swept the critics away and stigmatized them as Nazis. When a popular German crime show ("Tatort") wanted to bring an episode featuring a honour killing in their environment (based on true events) they filed a suit against state-run ARD television and successfully let the movie ban from broadcast.

Or how about Undercover Mosque, Midlands Police, instead of investigating the Mosques, investigated Channel 4, and recommended to that they be prosecuted for hate crimes. They made statements to the effect that Channel 4 were inciting racial hatred, and had distorted the facts and taken them out of context.

But in a real Court - the Midlands Police were advised that they were going to lose a libel and defamation case, and so they settled for some amount of money, cant remember exact figure, 6 figures though. And the Undercover Mosque demonstrates the insanity in our society as a result of political correctness - anyone who dares show what these jihadi nutbags are doing - is bashed up by our own law enforcement mechanism - that is apparently directed to beating on anyone who does the public service of *noticing* jihadis. Far better to close our eyes, ears and mouths like the three wise monkeys than ever report on what is happening all around us.

[Ulytau]

Muck..

First i can say nobody can say anything to German people but politicians cause rememberin very well about the Kaplan or others they were totally relax until 11 september and they were mostly blaming to Turkish Secular Regime..Especially rememberin when Turkish people were doing demonstration for secularity..We were seen serious respect and support from the people all around the World still rememberin very well who critize that but as i remember Gerhard Schröder start insultin this people then a Turkish journalist write about him and he totally stfu..

Turkiye was payin serious money to Gazprom and everyone knows about his connections with Gazprom after Turkish journalist write that we never hear him again i hope he never open his mouth again..

First i watch documentary nice work and message before video start was really good idea..

But hard to understand a thing middle of videos you guys can see a black man and a black flag behind him,he is leader of the hizbut tahrir as i check and their center in UK..

Only wanna write one of my experience especially when i find about terror support on internet reportin to police i found similar things about em in 2 mins police answer me back when i open my inbox again after 20-25 min i seen another e-mail from the Turkish Anti Terrorist Police Forces they were wantin more info and problem solved..

Really cant undetstand why nobody do anything aganist em ? You guys can find about about them their joint demonstrations with ''nazi'' groups too..

[Calanen]

Only wanna write one of my experience especially when i find about terror support on internet reportin to police i found similar things about em in 2 mins police answer me back when i open my inbox again after 20-25 min i seen another e-mail from the Turkish Anti Terrorist Police Forces they were wantin more info and problem solved..



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