Track The Promises

[CPLHUNTER]

Now that Obama has won and I commend him on his win and turning voter support, we need to make sure he holds true on his campaign promises since it is these promises that got him elected.

So here are the big ones that I see:

1. Tax cut for working families:
Obama and Biden will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 95 percent of working Americans the tax relief they need. They will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.

2. Provide tax relief for small businesses and startups:
Obama and Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on startup and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation.

3. Fight for fair trade:
Obama and Biden will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. They will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world.

4. 16 Month Phased Withdraw From Iraq
Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Those who have read my posts know I'm a conservative but in the vein of unity, let's do our civic duty to make sure that he holds true on these promises.

After watching his speech last night, I start to get concerned when he makes statements like this:

"..the road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term."

Whatever the case is, we know politicians whether Red or Blue are known to lie. Let's keep them honest.

[Zoomie]

What about Health Care and Energy Independence as well?

[CPLHUNTER]

Feel free to add any to my list...those are the big ones that stuck out to me.

[MJC9678]

5. He is going to pay my mortgage.
6. He is going to pay for my gas.
7. He is finally going to make all those disgusting white people pay reparations for slavery.
8. He is going to give us free and, over time because nothing free stays nice, crappy healthcare.
9.He is going to makes sure the Supreme Court makes laws that cannot pass in Congress.

miss anything?

[playtym]

miss anything?

10. He's going to take all your guns away?

[MJC9678]

10. He's going to take all your guns away?

not sure he will go that far but I can see a 50%-100% tax on ammo.

[California Joe]

F*cking guy can't even take office until January. Simmah don.

[MJC9678]

F*cking guy can't even take office until January. Simmah don.

Exactly, now is the time to beat the rush to your local gun shop and military surplus ammo supplier!

[Buckeye67]

Don't bother tracking anything, they're already backpedaling and making excuses.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ELECTION_RDP?SITE=TNKNN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Feel free to add any to my list...those are the big ones that stuck out to me.

11. Hope
12. Change

Waiting for my deliveries of both.

[California Joe]

Did he promise blow jobs too?

Cause I could use one.

[Zoomie]

F*cking guy can't even take office until January. Simmah don.
So? Why can't people prepare for that? Besides, it's not like people were already treating him like he was already elected president. . .oh wait.

[Zoomie]

Did he promise blow jobs too?

Cause I could use one.
Could be part of the Universal Healthcare package. p-)

[perdurabo]

Did he promise blow jobs too?

Cause I could use one.
CJ i would understand if it would be BJ from one of Bush daughters but from Obama?

[Createdeemcee]

F*cking guy can't even take office until January. Simmah don.


I know, but the guild has to rant, his policies may even help them, but they still have thier vague opinions.

[notherhen40]

Did he promise blow jobs too?

Cause I could use one.

No, but he promised to use vasaline this time,

[California Joe]

CJ i would understand if it would be BJ from one of Bush daughters but from Obama?

I was thinking more about one from some of the rap video shorties that'll probably be hanging out in the White House all the time now with Secretary of the Interionizzle Snoop Dogg.

[Macs.]

Did he promise blow jobs too?

Cause I could use one.


A femal Belgian politican once offered a blow job for everyone that voted her.

Just saying. YES WE CAN.

[perdurabo]

I was thinking more about one from some of the rap video shorties that'll probably be hanging out in the White House all the time now with Secretary of the Interionizzle Snoop Dogg.
you can get that and lots of gold you just have to became CJ DJ looking for a BJ p-)

[MJC9678]

Buying physical gold and hiding it may be a good idea for the next 4 years. There are a lot'a "rich" people out there to squeeze in the interests of "change". Very easy to find the "rich" people by pulling electronic records of investment and checking accounts....

[Stonewall71]

do not forget the big boards stating "MIssion Accomplished"

[Zalmoxes]

I think that should this new administration ignore/cut the military budget or do anything against the military, some helicopter machinist will conveniently forget to properly maintain the presidential helicopters "by mistake" and we'll have a nice crash in front of the WH.

[kokaro]

CPLHUNTER I agree. I believe personally that it is a tragic thing that has happened, and due to the 9% he had on McCain, I'm pretty certain that we are STUCK with him.

Now that's a fact that I'm sure is pissing us all of, but we have all survived worse (see that is a HOPE state ment rofl).

I believe that we all lucked out with the fall of the DC gun ban. I also believe that we have more time than people think to store up on things that are probably going to cost a LOT more.

Lets make sure to bitch as much as they did about Bush, and to not let up on what he SAID he will do.

I just hope that the ignorance of several is not enough to **** us all over, but if it does at least we know that we can pick up the pieces, yes we can!

[California Joe]

Ws presidency was a clusterf*ck by any measurable means genius. All this guy has to do is not get blown by an intern and he's ahead of the game already.

[hank]

I guess this will be the official whining thread for all you misplaced righties, huh?

hank

[Stonewall71]

I guess this will be the official whining thread for all you misplaced righties, huh?

hank


you didn't had to run to Canada, after all, huh? p-)

[hank]

Not at all. Just busy with work.

But last night was great. And I had to wait 3 hours to vote. My little polling place saw thousands of voters yesterday.

hank

[hank]

Ws presidency was a clusterf*ck by any measurable means genius. All this guy has to do is not get blown by an intern and he's ahead of the game already.

The bar is certainly low. Kind of like Reagan in that regard. After Watergate and Carter Reagan didn't need to do much to be better. The fact that Reagan actually was a great leader was a bonus. Hopefully the same will be true with Obama.

hank

[Stonewall71]

here in the eurosocialistmuslimterroristan they showed the loooooooooong queues to vote ;)

But it was a great proof that American Democracy is -after 8 years - again alive :)

[Jobu]

Ws presidency was a clusterf*ck by any measurable means genius. All this guy has to do is not get blown by an intern and he's ahead of the game already.



Obama will not be measured aginst W, he will be measured against the expectations that he can create miracles out of his ass. He ran as a savior.

"We're going to change the world!"

Those are his words.

[Fargin]

I don't think I got the memo, since when did election promises have anything to with reality. Ofcause this is also a good oppotunity to take a look at the current gov. I'm pretty sure W didn't promise to run the country into the ground and lose two wars against goat herders.

[Invisigoth]

Obama will not be measured aginst W, he will be measured against the expectations that he can create miracles out of his ass. He ran as a savior.

"We're going to change the world!"

Those are his words.

Well Bush changed the world, apparently that's not too hard as POTUS.

[Stonewall71]

He ran as a savior.


that is pretty much what the world wanted after 8 years of W.

[kokaro]

Ws presidency was a clusterf*ck by any measurable means genius. All this guy has to do is not get blown by an intern and he's ahead of the game already.

You are correct about how Bush dropped the ball several times. I'm not going to deny that.

All I am saying is that turn around is fair play.

I sincerly hope that he does do everything that this country needs him to do as a leader. I hope you do understand that we now have a completely demecratic government. President. Senate. House. How do you think this is going to go?:oops:

I'm not saying that they are going to destroy this country. But I am saying that we have the potential to be royaly f*cked.

:cantbeli:

Think about it. I hope that all of us are wrong that are worried.

[hank]

Obama will not be measured aginst W, he will be measured against the expectations that he can create miracles out of his ass. He ran as a savior.

"We're going to change the world!"

Those are his words.

When simply having dialogue with Iran and NK is something new its not hard to change the world.

I've been looking forward to seeing what you'd do when Obama won. You've not disappointed. I think I can get my hands on some meds for you if you need them. Something to help you sleep maybe.

hank

[hank]

I don't think I got the memo, since when did election promises have anything to with reality. Ofcause this is also a good oppotunity to take a look at the current gov. I'm pretty sure W didn't promise to run the country into the ground and lose two wars against goat herders.

Go back and find W's first acceptance speech. It was very similar in a lot of respects to Obama's. He talked about change and inclusiveness a lot. WTF?

hank

[seraosha]

Welcome to the hijack, circle jerk starts over there.

C'mon guys, gloat away, but at least pretend to be on topic.


Partial list:



"give a tax break to 95 percent of Americans who work every day and get taxes taken out of their paycheck every week";
"eliminate income taxes on Social Security for seniors making under $50,000";
"give homeowners and working parents additional tax breaks";
not increase taxes on anyone if they "make under $250,000; you will not see your taxes increase by a single dime –- not your income taxes, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax";
"end those breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas";
"give tax breaks to companies that invest right here in the United States";
"eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-up companies that are the engine of job creation in this country";
"create two million new jobs by rebuilding our crumbling roads, and bridges, and schools -- by laying broadband lines to reach every corner of the country";
"invest $15 billion a year in renewable sources of energy to create five million new energy jobs over the next decade";
"reopen old factories, old plants, to build solar panels, and wind turbines";
build "a new electricity grid";
"build the fuel efficient cars of tomorrow";
"eliminate the oil we import from the Middle East in 10 years";
"lower premiums" for those who already have health insurance;
"if you don't have health insurance, you'll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that members of Congress give themselves";
"end discrimination by insurance companies to the sick and those who need care the most";
"invest in early childhood education";
"recruit an army of new teachers";
"pay our teachers higher salaries, give them more support. But ... also demand higher standards and more accountability";
"make a deal with every young person who's here and every young person in America: If you are willing to commit yourself to national service, whether it's serving in our military or in the Peace Corps, working in a veterans home or a homeless shelter, then we will guarantee that you can afford to go to college no ifs ands or buts";
"stop spending $10 billion a month in Iraq whole the Iraqis have a huge surplus";
"end this war in Iraq";
"finish the fight and snuff out al Qaeda and bin Laden";
"increase our ground troops and our investments in the finest fighting force in the world";
"invest in 21st century technologies so that our men and women have the best training and equipment when they deploy into combat and the care and benefits they have earned when they come home";
"No more homeless veterans"; and
"no more fighting for disability payments."

[California Joe]

I guess we'll have to see. In January. When he takes office.

Wouldn't it be cool if he did it though? Would you give him props?

How stupid are we though, that we listen to either candidate and nod our heads and cheer when they run through a list like this that sounds so good and then get pissy when they tell us it might take tax dollars or loans from China.

We're like broads in a spousal abuse center.

[hank]

Man the grape juice in this joint is SOUR.

hank

[Jobu]

When simply having dialogue with Iran and NK is something new its not hard to change the world.

I've been looking forward to seeing what you'd do when Obama won. You've not disappointed. I think I can get my hands on some meds for you if you need them. Something to help you sleep maybe.

hank



You have quite an imagination.

I've seen elections come and go over the past several decades and am not about to abandon my principles based on which party is in power. That's something a sleazy lawyer would do. ;)

[RECON DOC]

I guess we'll have to see. In January. When he takes office.

Wouldn't it be cool if he did it though? Would you give him props?

How stupid are we though, that we listen to either candidate and nod our heads and cheer when they run through a list like this that sounds so good and then get pissy when they tell us it might take tax dollars or loans from China.

We're like broads in a spousal abuse center.

A-f*cking-men brother.

Off topic. You were missed last night at the Red Lyon.

[hank]

Wouldn't it be cool if he did it though? Would you give him props?

No they won't. Just like they won't admit that W was a failure or that McCain lost huge. Its all politics man.

hank

[hank]

You have quite an imagination.

I've seen elections come and go over the past several decades and am not about to abandon my principles based on which party is in power. That's something a sleazy lawyer would do. ;)

That's funny, because I just use my brain. And when my party abandons everything I believe in I go elsewhere. But I'm just funny like that. But mindless adherence to the numbing diatribes of the talking head du jour seem to work for you so rock on with it.

hank

[davey]

Now that Obama has won and I commend him on his win and turning voter support, we need to make sure he holds true on his campaign promises since it is these promises that got him elected.............................

Pre Election: Obama promises changes

Post Election: Obama changes promises

Give him rope. He's a politician.

[MJC9678]

Welcome to the hijack, circle jerk starts over there.

C'mon guys, gloat away, but at least pretend to be on topic.


Partial list:



"give a tax break to 95 percent of Americans who work every day and get taxes taken out of their paycheck every week";
"eliminate income taxes on Social Security for seniors making under $50,000";
"give homeowners and working parents additional tax breaks";
not increase taxes on anyone if they "make under $250,000; you will not see your taxes increase by a single dime –- not your income taxes, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax";
"end those breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas";
"give tax breaks to companies that invest right here in the United States";
"eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-up companies that are the engine of job creation in this country";
"create two million new jobs by rebuilding our crumbling roads, and bridges, and schools -- by laying broadband lines to reach every corner of the country";
"invest $15 billion a year in renewable sources of energy to create five million new energy jobs over the next decade";
"reopen old factories, old plants, to build solar panels, and wind turbines";
build "a new electricity grid";
"build the fuel efficient cars of tomorrow";
"eliminate the oil we import from the Middle East in 10 years";
"lower premiums" for those who already have health insurance;
"if you don't have health insurance, you'll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that members of Congress give themselves";
"end discrimination by insurance companies to the sick and those who need care the most";
"invest in early childhood education";
"recruit an army of new teachers";
"pay our teachers higher salaries, give them more support. But ... also demand higher standards and more accountability";
"make a deal with every young person who's here and every young person in America: If you are willing to commit yourself to national service, whether it's serving in our military or in the Peace Corps, working in a veterans home or a homeless shelter, then we will guarantee that you can afford to go to college no ifs ands or buts";
"stop spending $10 billion a month in Iraq whole the Iraqis have a huge surplus";
"end this war in Iraq";
"finish the fight and snuff out al Qaeda and bin Laden";
"increase our ground troops and our investments in the finest fighting force in the world";
"invest in 21st century technologies so that our men and women have the best training and equipment when they deploy into combat and the care and benefits they have earned when they come home";
"No more homeless veterans"; and
"no more fighting for disability payments."



That list is going to cost huge amounts of money the US DOES NOT HAVE. Where is he going to get the money from? hmmmm......slashing the military? Huge increase in taxes on "rich people"? Confiscation of private property maybe....?

[Jobu]

That's funny, because I just use my brain.

Hey I didn't say you were a sleazy lawyer but if you identified with it, that's on you.

As for me holding to my principles, the GOP with all their faults have still put up candidates that are closer to what I believe in (less spending, less taxes) than the DNC have lately in national elections.

They are far from perfect but they are still the lesser evil at this time.

[hank]

Hey, I didn't say you couldn't think but if you can't its on you, Jobu.

hank

[Jobu]

Hey, I didn't say you couldn't think but if you can't its on you, Jobu.

hank

If you want to make this about personal attacks on me, go ahead. It doesn't change anything about what I said.

Many conservatives are upset that the GOP became big spenders so logically we should abandon all of their candidates and support the party of even bigger spenders.

That's funny, and not in a "ha-ha" way.

[California Joe]

As for me holding to my principles, the GOP with all their faults have still put up candidates that are closer to what I believe in (less spending, less taxes) than the DNC have lately in national elections.

They are far from perfect but they are still the lesser evil at this time.

How do you figure this bro? Seriously. That borrowing sh*t tons of money from China has to scare you right? The Homeland Security thing? The starting wars for personal reasons? The picking a crazy evangelical broad from Alaska for VP thing? I'm not an economist by any stretch but I seriously don't see how the "tax and spend" thing still only applies to the Dems.

[3rdMillhouse]

Did you guys vote for Jesus Christ or Barack Obama? This guy is promissing more miracles than Jesus himself did in his lifetime.

[California Joe]

All politicians do. We know that.

[seraosha]

I guess we'll have to see. In January. When he takes office.

Wouldn't it be cool if he did it though? Would you give him props?

How stupid are we though, that we listen to either candidate and nod our heads and cheer when they run through a list like this that sounds so good and then get pissy when they tell us it might take tax dollars or loans from China.

We're like broads in a spousal abuse center.

I'll be the first to eat crow and admit I'm wrong if Obama holds true to his promises. Go ahead and quote me, I'll stand by it.

[hank]

I'll be the first to eat crow and admit I'm wrong if Obama holds true to his promises. Go ahead and quote me, I'll stand by it.

You were supposed to give us a link to something. What happened to that?

hank

[Kaplanr]

I really question whether the bunch of you know what patriotism is. You're all so full of self-righteous BS anger it's depressing.

[Jobu]

That borrowing sh*t tons of money from China has to scare you right?

Scares me? No, but it does concern me. It's not a healthy thing for this country. For Obama to implement even half of what he wants, we will have to borrow even more. I can't support that. I support a cut in spending followed by a cut in taxes.


The Homeland Security thing?

What about it? I think the various alphabet soup agencies have been doing a decent job since 9/11.


The starting wars for personal reasons?

I don't subscribe to this theory.


The picking a crazy evangelical broad from Alaska for VP thing?

I don't think she's crazy at all. In fact if you actually look at her record in Alaska, she's been very practical and has clashed with both parties which are horribly corrupt. That's something Obama never did while in Chicago.


I'm not an economist by any stretch but I seriously don't see how the "tax and spend" thing still only applies to the Dems.

It doesn't which is why the GOP lost so much favor among conservatives. But as a matter of degrees, the Democrats are still much worse. Obama-Reid-Pelosi will make Bush look like a cheap-ass.

[seraosha]

You were supposed to give us a link to something. What happened to that?



Still trying to find that link to Powell admitting that his reason to endorse Obama was because he's black. I haven't forgotten, Hank.

[hank]

Still trying to find that link to Powell admitting that his reason to endorse Obama was because he's black. I haven't forgotten, Hank.

Still shaking boss, still shaking.

Did you see him on CNN today? Pretty moving. I like Colin Powell.

hank

[California Joe]

We have no concept of sacrifice in this country. There is little to no corporate knowledge left that remembers rationing or the Depression. All normal people would support a cut in spending. It never seems to happen. I don't think it ever will in any serious way. Special interests own congress.

[MJC9678]

We have no concept of sacrifice in this country. There is little to no corporate knowledge left that remembers rationing or the Depression. All normal people would support a cut in spending. It never seems to happen. I don't think it ever will in any serious way. Special interests own congress.

Agree 100%. Love hearing people scream about home heating bills.....wear a sweater for Christ's sake!

[Horse Thief]

Reality is people who hate him will most likely continue to hate him no matter how he does. Only some will be man enough to admit they were wrong, if in fact they are wrong.

But what will most likely happen is he will be nowhere near as bad as they fear, and he won't be the messiah the supporters expect either. Poeple need to be realistic, hes handed the worst situation since like 1930's. There's only so much you can do in such a short time.

But for the love of me I can't figure out why the people who seem to hate him in a personal way, do so. What is there to hate about his speeches or character I really don't know. it's sad.

[seraosha]

Missed it.
I like Colin Powell too.
Hope he slips up and mentions it soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

"If I have ever made any valuable discoveries, it has been owing more to patient attention, than to any other talent."
-Isaac Newton

[Moledet]

*Invite Pinchas to the white house
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z138/lancero33/novembro1/20081105184832ENLUS0154222212259109.jpg


A picture dated 05 November 2008 shows Pinchas Amar, an Israeli whose home in Sderot was hit and badly damaged by a Palestinian missile fired from Gaza almost one year ago, resting because of a broken leg as journalists film him displaying a photograph of himself with now elected US President Barack Obama , both with their arms raised, as Pinchas showed Barack his damaged home being rebuilt during Obama's visit to Sderot in July 2008. Pinchas said he gave Obama a blessing and Obama vowed that if elected he would invite Pinchas to the White House. Obama won the US election yesterday and is due to take office on January 21, 2009

[hank]

Missed it.
I like Colin Powell too.
Hope he slips up and mentions it soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

"If I have ever made any valuable discoveries, it has been owing more to patient attention, than to any other talent."
-Isaac Newton

I tried to link it but its on CNN video page and you can only link to the page. It ran early so its about halfway down the page.

hank

[Jobu]

*Invite Pinchas to the white house




And putas and pendejos too!

[kokaro]

I guess we'll have to see. In January. When he takes office.

Wouldn't it be cool if he did it though? Would you give him props?

How stupid are we though, that we listen to either candidate and nod our heads and cheer when they run through a list like this that sounds so good and then get pissy when they tell us it might take tax dollars or loans from China.

We're like broads in a spousal abuse center.


Word. I agree. That's why I now have a "lets see what actually happens." I just hope that the whole country gets on track...

[CPLHUNTER]

I will be the first one to give him a huge round of applauses if he does 50% or even 25% of what he has promised...problem is, I'm really not happy about what he has promised :|

[LEB101]

A femal Belgian politican once offered a blow job for everyone that voted her.

Just saying. YES WE CAN.
can you prove that

[deagle]

why don't we grade presidents at the end of their terms shall we ? otherwise, this trhead is bunk.