View Full Version : Hypothetical question.
Zach R.
07-15-2003, 11:11 AM
This is a hypothetical situation and I want you to decide on what you would do if it was you. Your name is Lt. Masters. You are the team leader of a four man team who's task is to search a tunnel 15 miles north of the Pakistani border. Intel has reported that Usama Bin Laden may be in the cave. As you come near the entrance, you come under fire. You quickly dispose of the target and continue towards the entrance. As you enter, you begin to think of your training. Thinking of how long it took to get where you are today. You are part of the most elite CT unit in America (I'll let you decide on that part). As you push deeper and deeper, you begn to encounter more and more resistence. Something big is waiting for you at the end. After about 6 minutes into the tunnel, you find a door. It's locked. You give the order to place a charge and blow the door down. BOOOM! You enter room, quickly killing all the targets within sight. But then, you notice another target off to the corner, he's unarmed, but you know fully who and what he is. He is Usama Bin Laden, leader of Al Qeada. You motion with your hands for the rest of the team to approach. Anger quickly sets in. You begin to think of all the people who died on September 11th, 2001. All 3,185 people, who perished because this man hates freedom. Slowly, you bring your rifle to your shoulder. You are faced with a decision.
usa320
07-15-2003, 11:15 AM
so far its 100% kill him. :fork:
Zach R.
07-15-2003, 11:20 AM
Hey I only posted it 2 minutes ago
Ichhabe
07-15-2003, 11:22 AM
Good idea to kill him! One more marthyr in the fundementalist muslim world wont barely be noted.
Dragging him to court, and let him face the total humiliation is, as far as I understand just a waste of time and precious tax dollars.
I really think that every SF-soldiers private wet dream is to slith his troath, and berry the cadaver inside that tunnel complex and keep this secret for themselves, cause they could risk ending up on the cover of Time or something like that.
And the risk of shaking President Bush's hand are also successfully eliminated :P
I think killing him would be the best thing to do. Kill his ass, then parade his head around the terrorist nations. I highly doubt that if OBL would get a "fair sentence" if it was up to the courts. F him, I would capture him and torture him... I would force-feed him his own ********s.
Capture him, show him off to the world so that they know you found him then kill him by lethal injection, without the painkiller.
otherwise the arabs will claim that he was never killed and that it is just another american lie, and they'll produce an audio tape to proove it.
Zach R.
07-15-2003, 11:36 AM
For your information Icha... whatever the hell your name is. 92% of the US military voted for President Bush. Have you seen when President Bush is leaving for a speech somewhere and he's getting onto Marine1? All US military personnel are required to salute when he is facing towards you, but you are not required to salute when he is facing away, but it is an option. I never saw that during the Clinton administration. And have yet NOTto see it with the Bush administration
globe
07-15-2003, 12:23 PM
Torture him/ :bash:
Light Fighter
07-15-2003, 12:29 PM
I think I'd take a scene from Reservoir Dogs, tie him to a chair, put on "Steelers Wheel: Stuck in the Middle" and dance around him splashing gasoline of him. Then lighting him on fire.
digitalghost
07-15-2003, 12:30 PM
You guys are politically incorrect. If I was the DELTA Operative I wouldn't want to be court marshalled for insubordination or for not following my orders or some **** like that-- I dont know about you guys but if I was a DELTA Operative I would like to keep my job as a DELTA Operative
I would also like to be known as "the guy" or at least "The Team" who captured Bin Laden and not be the dumb**** DELTA Team Leader/Point who killed him because of some emotional instability and lack of self control-- Capturing him would the RIGHT THING to do and killing him would be the WRONG thing to do-- I could almost hear the upper chain of command saying "WTH is wrong w/ that guy? We could've got more intel from laden etc."
Dont let your emotions and personal bull**** to get in the way with what the UNITED STATES wants... Put your country above yourself
Ratamacue
07-15-2003, 12:38 PM
You could always say that he was armed when you entered the room and quickly eliminated all hostile targets in the room. No one would give it a second thought.
digitalghost
07-15-2003, 12:44 PM
Then that would change the Rules of Engagemenet etc. if the bugger was going to kill you; you are going to kill him-- But like the man said:
But then, you notice another target off to the corner, he's unarmed, but you know fully who and what he is. He is Usama Bin Laden, leader of Al Qeada.
Zach R.
07-15-2003, 12:54 PM
If I knew that there would not be a "trial" I would bring him in. As long as I knew he was gonna die. Besides, he has a point, you could always pick up another guy's gun and put it in his hand and say he tried to shoot us. Besides, rage can easily take over in any situation.
DrunkMonkey81488
07-15-2003, 01:03 PM
Like some one already said...why would you kill him and risk being court martialed? If you take him alive then he will be delt with anyways...do I want him to die? yes, but I would not go against orders just to get what I want
digitalghost
07-15-2003, 01:18 PM
LMAO I mean besides its not your problem to kill him its the UNITED STATES problem the "general" people of the USA has a vested interest in his death not you the invidiual------ Unless you the indivdiual had your wife/kids killed in the WTC then hell I'd specifically want to kill him myself I wouldnt think twice but if its some random people I dont know that died them im like uhhh its not my bloody problem im not getting courtmarshaleld for some random strangers who died
ibstolidude
07-15-2003, 02:49 PM
digital host - if wanted to KNOWN as the team that did it ... you would never be there in the first place.
I think the dude would do his job...what ever that may be..instructions were given and they would be followed, and I don't think any competent professional would have any trouble with that moral delema :roll: ...it is just a job and like any other job you do it.
Saranof
07-15-2003, 03:06 PM
Let him be brought to trail in the very country that trained terrorists who later killed 3000 people 11/9 - the US.
SABER 2-3
07-15-2003, 03:10 PM
digital host - if wanted to KNOWN as the team that did it ... you would never be there in the first place.
I think the dude would do his job...what ever that may be..instructions were given and they would be followed, and I don't think any competent professional would have any trouble with that moral delema :roll: ...it is just a job and like any other job you do it.
Correct. You have not completed your mission if you have disobeyed your mission perameters or profile.
Ichhabe
07-15-2003, 03:54 PM
For your information Icha... whatever the hell your name is. 92% of the US military voted for President Bush.
First of all Zach R; Have respect for my nick. It is Ichhabe, spelled I-C-H-H-A-B-E. Get it?? As with my real name, I am proud of it, and do not need you to slander it.
Second; It is not necessary of me to explain that it was ment to be sarcasm.
Third: So what if they did. I am Norwegian :D
And fourthly (do you say that?) Seems like you just misqualified yourself to ever be an operator if you run around with such plans inside your head.
For your information; A soldier follow orders, always have, always should. (Unless those orders are not violating his morale, etichs, or not contreversy to international laws....blah blah bla... Geneva convention, and you know what.)
Merik
07-15-2003, 04:04 PM
Screw being courtmarshalled. I would rather be known as the guy who killed that son of a bitch then the one who captured him.
So f*%# Usama!!!!!!!!If I ever saw him I'd kill with my bare hands.
Midtown
07-15-2003, 04:22 PM
I gotta agree with the last post, #@$^ him.
Saranof
07-15-2003, 05:09 PM
Yeah, you didn't get what you paid for so...
martinexsquaddie
07-15-2003, 05:19 PM
Soldiers obey orders
nicho
07-15-2003, 05:25 PM
For your information Icha... whatever the hell your name is. 92% of the US military voted for President Bush. Have you seen when President Bush is leaving for a speech somewhere and he's getting onto Marine1? All US military personnel are required to salute when he is facing towards you, but you are not required to salute when he is facing away, but it is an option. I never saw that during the Clinton administration. And have yet NOTto see it with the Bush administration
Sorry, can't help correcting this
http://www.snopes.com/military/salute.htm
:)
Cpl Stumps
07-15-2003, 06:01 PM
First thing is that in the book "Hunt for Bin Laden" it was my general impression from the author that the SF personnel he spoke with were in the mindset that if they came across Bin Laden, he wasn't coming out of the encounter alive. I can only relate what I've read and how I interpreted it. But I will not speak as if I was one of those SF cause I'm not and don't pretend to know what actions they might take. I'm sure they'll take the right actions.
Second thing, I served during the Clinton years and those that I served with had ZERO respect for him. It is true that Marines will show respect. But there was a saying when I was in and it probably still holds true "You can respect the rank but you don't have to respect the man." No Marine I knew would have ever not given a salute to a deserving rank or position but that doesn't mean we cared for the person holding the rank or position.
Just my 2 cents
digitalghost
07-15-2003, 06:09 PM
you get that "yea i respect him-- but hes an ashhoe" mentality
Trigger
07-15-2003, 07:19 PM
digital, reading your gibberish gives me a headache.
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Translation: Open a friggin' dictionary before your next post. I've seen chimpanzees with better spelling. :bash:
Trigger
07-15-2003, 07:45 PM
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jokiemastah
07-15-2003, 07:57 PM
"I think killing him would be the best thing to do. Kill his ass, then parade his head around the terrorist nations. I highly doubt that if OBL would get a "fair sentence" if it was up to the courts. F him, I would capture him and torture him... I would force-feed him his own ********s." Ya that would be great we're the USA and innocent till proven guilty and the right to a fair trial means nothing if your a terrorist. Only good people deserve human rights.
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