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J-10
06-14-2004, 01:00 PM
By Doreen Hemlock
Business Writer
Posted June 14 2004

SHANGHAI, China -- Bulgari. Prada. Lancome. Bentley. Cadillac.

In a country where workers just 25 years ago donned shapeless blue Mao suits and were lucky to pedal bicycles, these brands may seem out of place.

But a generation of reform and blistering economic growth has turned communist-led China -- the world's most populated nation -- into the newest mecca for luxury goods.

Visit the gleaming Plaza 66 in this booming, skyscraper-filled city and see an upscale five-story mall so popular there's a waiting list for companies to get in, with Gucci among them.

Near a sunlit atrium where couples in designer suits sip coffee and tea, shops bustle with employees polishing displays and lavishing attention on customers, often Chinese entrepreneurs with their families or executives of multinational firms.

At the newly opened Italian leather goods boutique Tod's, stocked with lemon-yellow handbags, manager Sabine Brunner-Franzosi sums up mainland China's allure.

"It's the market where we see the biggest potential in the world," said Tod's South Asia retail manager. In contrast, growth in the luxury goods market remains sluggish in Europe and only moderate in the United States, though both from bigger baselines, she said.

210,000 millionaires

Open any newspaper or magazine in China, and read about the upscale: fashion designer Giorgio Armani in Shanghai to open a flagship store, golf legend Greg Norman visiting and fanning the golf craze, or carmaker Volkswagen launching its Phaeton priced at about $100,000.

A report by the state-run Xinhua news agency recently estimated China's luxury goods market at about $2 billion a year -- and soaring.

Eydie Cubarrubia, a former journalist in Fort Lauderdale, never fathomed a luxury market so large when she took a job in China's capital this year as editor of monthly English-language magazine Beijing Talk. But she adores the buzz around her "What's Hot, What's Cool" column on the tech products, spas and restaurants. And she's astounded that the upscale magazine, started for expatriates, now draws about 40 percent of readers from local Chinese, who have cash to burn.

"It drove home the point that China is new and changing, when people want to read about such things" as golf courses, foreign travel and swing dancing, she said.

Hong Kong-based publishers of the magazine are so hot on China that they've just launched in Macao, where Las Vegas casino companies seek to draw millions of rich mainlanders on gambling trips.

Of course, most Chinese can't afford such luxuries as Rolls-Royce cars or Lalique crystal, just as most Americans or Europeans can't.

Even with white-hot economic growth averaging 9 percent a year, China managed to post average incomes of only $1,000 per person last year. Researchers estimate that at least 900 million Chinese still struggle to make ends meet, largely in rural areas.

But luxury brands aim for the rich and middle class, and in China, even a thin layer of 1.3 billion residents means staggering opportunity. Cap Gemini Ernst & Young estimated that China had 210,000 millionaires in U.S. dollar terms last year. And studies put China's middle-class at 150 million-plus, mainly in cities -- more people than live in any European nation.

Moreover, the ranks of China's affluent are forecast to mushroom, as Beijing aims to triple average annual incomes again in a generation, this time to $3,000 by 2020.

Luxury brands are getting a boost, too, from China's 2001 entry into the World Trade Organization. Membership requires slashing import duties and opening markets.

Golden opportunities

Already, lower duties have helped make China the world's fastest growing auto market, with such luxury carmakers as Porsche and BMW cashing in.

Bentley's sales are so robust -- more than 50 have cars sold in the past two years at an average price topping $400,000 -- that the carmaker expects mainland China soon to overtake Japan as its third-largest market, trailing only the United States and the Britain .

"We are looking at a lot of golden opportunities looming on the horizon, namely, the growing affluence, the 2008 Olympics ... and entrepreneurs' growing wish to project their status," said Wilson Ho, a Bentley spokesman in Beijing.

That helps explain why General Motors Corp. announced this month its Cadillac division will start assembling its luxury sport-utility vehicle in China next year, the first to be built outside the United States.

So far, China's luxury market is fairly concentrated in a few areas: the sprawling capital of Beijing, with more than 10 million residents; the industrial Pearl River Delta in the south around Guangzhou, formerly Canton; and the booming Yangtze River Delta in the east around Shanghai, China's largest city, with 14 million-plus people.

Still, even a booming and concentrated market can't guarantee success. In China, competition is stiff, distribution systems fragmented and government regulations sometimes unpredictable. And while labor rates are among the world's lowest, building a brand name in any new market requires hefty investment in training, logistics and advertising, managers said.

In addition, Chinese tastes sometimes differ from those in other major markets. For example, clothing sizes tend to be smaller than in the United States. Men tend to prefer more conservative and looser fitting suits than Europeans. And in makeup, product lines with skin-whiteners are especially popular, as in other parts of Asia, marketers said.

"It's important for foreign companies to work with the right managers who know the local market," said Margaret Wu, a manager for the Lalique shop in Shanghai's prestigious Plaza 66 mall.

Brands also face an extensive challenge from widespread counterfeiting, with open-air markets full of knockoffs from Chanel, Hermes and others. China is known as the world's largest producer of fake goods.

Yet affluent Chinese seek out the authentic items, often traveling to nearby Hong Kong to buy them at lower prices because of lower import duties. Indeed, mainland Chinese have emerged as the top spenders in Hong Kong, snapping up diamond-encrusted watches and the latest Burberry purses.

Little wonder then that Lillian Teh, an Asia manager for Calvin Klein's underwear division, is thrilled her firm scored a spot in the Plaza 66 mall and opened there May 14.

"We want to be a pioneer and gain experience," said Teh, who is based in Hong Kong. "In the coming 10 years, China will be a great market."
From (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-zchinaluxury14jun14,0,295982.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines)

molly747
06-14-2004, 01:02 PM
By Doreen Hemlock
Business Writer
Posted June 14 2004

SHANGHAI, China -- Bulgari. Prada. Lancome. Bentley. Cadillac.

In a country where workers just 25 years ago donned shapeless blue Mao suits and were lucky to pedal bicycles, these brands may seem out of place.

But a generation of reform and blistering economic growth has turned communist-led China -- the world's most populated nation -- into the newest mecca for luxury goods.

Visit the gleaming Plaza 66 in this booming, skyscraper-filled city and see an upscale five-story mall so popular there's a waiting list for companies to get in, with Gucci among them.

Near a sunlit atrium where couples in designer suits sip coffee and tea, shops bustle with employees polishing displays and lavishing attention on customers, often Chinese entrepreneurs with their families or executives of multinational firms.

At the newly opened Italian leather goods boutique Tod's, stocked with lemon-yellow handbags, manager Sabine Brunner-Franzosi sums up mainland China's allure.

"It's the market where we see the biggest potential in the world," said Tod's South Asia retail manager. In contrast, growth in the luxury goods market remains sluggish in Europe and only moderate in the United States, though both from bigger baselines, she said.

210,000 millionaires

Open any newspaper or magazine in China, and read about the upscale: fashion designer Giorgio Armani in Shanghai to open a flagship store, golf legend Greg Norman visiting and fanning the golf craze, or carmaker Volkswagen launching its Phaeton priced at about $100,000.

A report by the state-run Xinhua news agency recently estimated China's luxury goods market at about $2 billion a year -- and soaring.

Eydie Cubarrubia, a former journalist in Fort Lauderdale, never fathomed a luxury market so large when she took a job in China's capital this year as editor of monthly English-language magazine Beijing Talk. But she adores the buzz around her "What's Hot, What's Cool" column on the tech products, spas and restaurants. And she's astounded that the upscale magazine, started for expatriates, now draws about 40 percent of readers from local Chinese, who have cash to burn.

"It drove home the point that China is new and changing, when people want to read about such things" as golf courses, foreign travel and swing dancing, she said.

Hong Kong-based publishers of the magazine are so hot on China that they've just launched in Macao, where Las Vegas casino companies seek to draw millions of rich mainlanders on gambling trips.

Of course, most Chinese can't afford such luxuries as Rolls-Royce cars or Lalique crystal, just as most Americans or Europeans can't.

Even with white-hot economic growth averaging 9 percent a year, China managed to post average incomes of only $1,000 per person last year. Researchers estimate that at least 900 million Chinese still struggle to make ends meet, largely in rural areas.

But luxury brands aim for the rich and middle class, and in China, even a thin layer of 1.3 billion residents means staggering opportunity. Cap Gemini Ernst & Young estimated that China had 210,000 millionaires in U.S. dollar terms last year. And studies put China's middle-class at 150 million-plus, mainly in cities -- more people than live in any European nation.

Moreover, the ranks of China's affluent are forecast to mushroom, as Beijing aims to triple average annual incomes again in a generation, this time to $3,000 by 2020.

Luxury brands are getting a boost, too, from China's 2001 entry into the World Trade Organization. Membership requires slashing import duties and opening markets.

Golden opportunities

Already, lower duties have helped make China the world's fastest growing auto market, with such luxury carmakers as Porsche and BMW cashing in.

Bentley's sales are so robust -- more than 50 have cars sold in the past two years at an average price topping $400,000 -- that the carmaker expects mainland China soon to overtake Japan as its third-largest market, trailing only the United States and the Britain .

"We are looking at a lot of golden opportunities looming on the horizon, namely, the growing affluence, the 2008 Olympics ... and entrepreneurs' growing wish to project their status," said Wilson Ho, a Bentley spokesman in Beijing.

That helps explain why General Motors Corp. announced this month its Cadillac division will start assembling its luxury sport-utility vehicle in China next year, the first to be built outside the United States.

So far, China's luxury market is fairly concentrated in a few areas: the sprawling capital of Beijing, with more than 10 million residents; the industrial Pearl River Delta in the south around Guangzhou, formerly Canton; and the booming Yangtze River Delta in the east around Shanghai, China's largest city, with 14 million-plus people.

Still, even a booming and concentrated market can't guarantee success. In China, competition is stiff, distribution systems fragmented and government regulations sometimes unpredictable. And while labor rates are among the world's lowest, building a brand name in any new market requires hefty investment in training, logistics and advertising, managers said.

In addition, Chinese tastes sometimes differ from those in other major markets. For example, clothing sizes tend to be smaller than in the United States. Men tend to prefer more conservative and looser fitting suits than Europeans. And in makeup, product lines with skin-whiteners are especially popular, as in other parts of Asia, marketers said.

"It's important for foreign companies to work with the right managers who know the local market," said Margaret Wu, a manager for the Lalique shop in Shanghai's prestigious Plaza 66 mall.

Brands also face an extensive challenge from widespread counterfeiting, with open-air markets full of knockoffs from Chanel, Hermes and others. China is known as the world's largest producer of fake goods.

Yet affluent Chinese seek out the authentic items, often traveling to nearby Hong Kong to buy them at lower prices because of lower import duties. Indeed, mainland Chinese have emerged as the top spenders in Hong Kong, snapping up diamond-encrusted watches and the latest Burberry purses.

Little wonder then that Lillian Teh, an Asia manager for Calvin Klein's underwear division, is thrilled her firm scored a spot in the Plaza 66 mall and opened there May 14.

"We want to be a pioneer and gain experience," said Teh, who is based in Hong Kong. "In the coming 10 years, China will be a great market."
From (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-zchin
aluxury14jun14,0,295982.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines)

China rules. It's where my dad gets all my stuff.

2Sheds_Jackson
06-14-2004, 02:18 PM
Y'know, I wonder how long it will be before China convulses in revolution. You can't pump Western style luxuries, money, and values into China without giving the population the same freedoms. At some point, I think the people will make demands which the government is unwilling to meet - then we'll see what happens.

IMHO, the government will come to be seen as the reason for the huge disparity between wealthy and poor. In a democracy, there are of course similar disparities, but the people have the freedom to make their own choices - to try and to fail on their own. When this happens in China, it is the government who will be seen as the oppressor - the reason for the wide inequities.

Hopefully they can make the progression peacefully - but as often happens when the "have-nots" meet the "haves" -there's a lot of animosity & hatred. The government had better act quickly to either curtail freedoms or to transition away from their authoritarian government. They'll have to pick their poison, or I think they'll eventually face widespread unrest.

J-10
06-14-2004, 11:42 PM
IMHO, the government will come to be seen as the reason for the huge disparity between wealthy and poor. In a democracy, there are of course similar disparities, but the people have the freedom to make their own choices - to try and to fail on their own. When this happens in China, it is the government who will be seen as the oppressor - the reason for the wide inequities.


Where do you think the wealthy of China come from?
They are new capitalist!

In the economy, Chinese have a lots of freedom, They can own houses, cars, firms and travel around the world. but political reform moved slowly.

duck
06-15-2004, 07:38 AM
Y'know, I wonder how long it will be before China convulses in revolution. You can't pump Western style luxuries, money, and values into China without giving the population the same freedoms. At some point, I think the people will make demands which the government is unwilling to meet - then we'll see what happens.

IMHO, the government will come to be seen as the reason for the huge disparity between wealthy and poor. In a democracy, there are of course similar disparities, but the people have the freedom to make their own choices - to try and to fail on their own. When this happens in China, it is the government who will be seen as the oppressor - the reason for the wide inequities.

Hopefully they can make the progression peacefully - but as often happens when the "have-nots" meet the "haves" -there's a lot of animosity & hatred. The government had better act quickly to either curtail freedoms or to transition away from their authoritarian government. They'll have to pick their poison, or I think they'll eventually face widespread unrest.

You forget that they had an anti-establishment revolution some 30-35 years ago. The hangover from the Cultural revolution period is still too big for people to strive after anything else than financial safety.

AFACadet
06-15-2004, 09:41 AM
/Rant on

There were always rich people in china, even under full up Chinese style communism. They were the higher level party leaders who continued to preach equality for all but themselves had the wealth and power.

China's not going to be free until the people take true democratic and/or republic principals for themselves and not simply government reforms (or the go back to the long lived tradition that a natural disaster = a new government, but I have a feeling that doesn't have a chance).

Look how many times "political reform" has been used in the east over the past 100 years. Its the catchword that means jack. I've lost count how many times that word was used in South Vietnam alone to gain support, but it did squat because the people didn't embrase it themselves (to make sure the political reformes went though and didn't continue to be perverted by worthless leaders).

To an even greater extent, that goes for the DPRK style of communism. The vast majority of the population lives in squander while the Party leaders have the wealth of the nation (what little of it there is).

/rant off

So the article is saying how good it is that 210,000 people are millionaires.

With about 1.3 billion people, that comes out to about 0.016% of the population.


Now, take a look at some other examples: In the US, there are about 2.2 million millionaires. That comes out to about 0.76% in the US and Europe has an even higher percentage

Durandal
06-15-2004, 05:17 PM
China has an artifically under-valued currency and...

Corruption beyond imagination...right now its worse than American in the late 1800s. China may have a pseudo-free market but almost no guidelines/laws for ethical business...

Hen bu hao...

Operation Ivy
06-15-2004, 10:16 PM
China is eatin up all our oil thanks a lot :fork: :D

molly747
06-15-2004, 10:20 PM
China has an artifically under-valued currency and...

Corruption beyond imagination...right now its worse than American in the late 1800s. China may have a pseudo-free market but almost no guidelines/laws for ethical business...

Hen bu hao...

Didn't they just join the WTO (World Trade Organization)? I think they've *attempted* to try and crack down on knock-offs and whatnot. My father goes to Shanghai a few times a year and he's noticed the open markets (that sell fakes) aren't as open as they used to be.

J-10
06-16-2004, 12:05 AM
China is eatin up all our oil thanks a lot :fork: :D

Your oil? p-)

Durandal
06-16-2004, 12:36 AM
Didn't they just join the WTO (World Trade Organization)? I think they've *attempted* to try and crack down on knock-offs and whatnot. My father goes to Shanghai a few times a year and he's noticed the open markets (that sell fakes) aren't as open as they used to be.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

That's great.

No, they have not stopped. Hell,DVDs are available on the internet for SALE in the United States...

Bunch of Xenophobic, racist, totalitarian, innocent people slaughtering, political prisoner holding, brainwashing, torturing, and corrupt mother f*ckers...I love the Chinese but their government and those that support it can hug my sack. Their "most favored" nation status with the United States was bought and paid for...

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing our President and the entire legislative branch kow-towing to those pukes...

Red
06-16-2004, 12:46 AM
Didn't they just join the WTO (World Trade Organization)? I think they've *attempted* to try and crack down on knock-offs and whatnot. My father goes to Shanghai a few times a year and he's noticed the open markets (that sell fakes) aren't as open as they used to be.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

That's great.

No, they have not stopped. Hell,DVDs are available on the internet for SALE in the United States...

Bunch of Xenophobic, racist, totalitarian, innocent people slaughtering, political prisoner holding, brainwashing, torturing, and corrupt mother f*ckers...I love the Chinese but their government and those that support it can hug my sack. Their "most favored" nation status with the United States was bought and paid for...

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing our President and the entire legislative branch kow-towing to those pukes...
wow.

Durandal
06-16-2004, 01:03 AM
wow.

You got it man. Wow.

Think of it like this. I went to High School. Took four years of Chinese...graduated in 1988. Was in my college Chinese course finishing up my first year. I had a bunch of friends on the Square when the tanks came in...in 1989. Three of them disappeared. I was shocked. Had a phat job lined up with a subsidiary of AAI for domestic helicopter production on the mainland post graduation through my uncle. I turned and walked from all of it. I hated the PRC THAT much. Turned my stomach. Still does...

Became a designer...now I board horses.

To this day the Chinese government says it never happened.

Yep, The PRC is great at moving entire cities the size of Cincinnati and another couple million in outlaying rural areas when it needs to make the world's largest damn, but ask them to tell the truth about slaughtering and imprisoning innocent people...and well, they get all weak.

Well, hey...I am biased. 15 years later and all I can say about China is...F*ck 'em.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
06-16-2004, 01:24 AM
wow.

You got it man. Wow.

Think of it like this. I went to High School. Took four years of Chinese...graduated in 1988. Was in my college Chinese course finishing up my first year. I had a bunch of friends on the Square when the tanks came in...in 1989. Three of them disappeared. I was shocked. Had a phat job lined up with a subsidiary of AAI for domestic helicopter production on the mainland post graduation through my uncle. I turned and walked from all of it. I hated the PRC THAT much. Turned my stomach. Still does...

Became a designer...now I board horses.

To this day the Chinese government says it never happened.

Yep, The PRC is great at moving entire cities the size of Cincinnati and another couple million in outlaying rural areas when it needs to make the world's largest damn, but ask them to tell the truth about slaughtering and imprisoning innocent people...and well, they get all weak.

Well, hey...I am biased. 15 years later and all I can say about China is...F*ck 'em.

You had that one building up for awhile eh :P

Durandal
06-16-2004, 01:37 AM
You had that one building up for awhile eh :P

Nah, just always there...I low level anger thatboils out on this sort of topic...

The world, in general, seems to be oooh'ing and ahhhh'ing over China's advance into the Modern Age...Oil consumption increases...coke, iron, and steel orders fueling United States production,, free-markets...and on and on and on...

They seem to overlook some fundamental issues...

China's human rights issues simply suck hard...and copyright/intellectual poperty...Norinco is still pumping out patented firearms copies and their DVD/VCD/VCR bootleg market is still huge....

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
06-16-2004, 02:16 AM
Agreed they do have a mass problem with piracy / copyright infringement....a big problem. That costs alot of buisnesses alot of money.

Seraphim
06-16-2004, 10:25 PM
You can buy knockoffs on the streets of NY and and pretty much any other city.