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Ordie
11-07-2008, 01:46 PM
China cracking down on Muslim minority Uighurs

Ryan Anson, Chronicle Foreign Service
Friday, November 7, 2008
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(11-07) 04:00 PST Hotan, -- China - Following a spate of political violence, security has been so tight around here that a 25-year-old Muslim jade dealer agreed to talk to a reporter only if they met 20 miles outside this historic Silk Road town in remote northwestern China.
"I wanted to study teachings like the Hadith," said the man who identified himself only as Hussein, referring to a collection of the prophet Muhammad's sayings. "I'm too old now. It makes me sad."
As children, Hussein and millions of other young Uighurs never attended the religious schools known as madrassas or prayed at mosques because of a government ban on Islamic education for those under 18. Since Hussein never learned about religious laws governing marriage and family, he feels unprepared to have children, and he wonders whether future generations will be able to practice their faith before adulthood.
"Maybe in 10 years, there will be no more religion in Xinjiang" (province), said Hussein.
Human rights groups and Uighur exile organizations echo such concern.
Since the end of the Olympic Games in late August, the Chinese government's crackdown on Uighurs with alleged separatist ties in this oil-rich province has escalated, according to Alim Seytoff, general secretary of the Uighur American Association, based in Washington, D.C.
History of tension

Friction between Beijing and China's largest Muslim minority community is hardly new. Uighurs have long chafed at restrictions on Islam, which include studying Arabic only at government schools, banning government workers from practicing Islam and barring imams from teaching religion in private.
But the latest round of unrest is the worst since an uprising in the town of Yining 11 years ago killed scores of people, observers and residents say. Since August, at least 33 people have been killed in a series of attacks and bombings.
On Aug. 4, two Uighur men rammed a truck into a group of Chinese paramilitary officers taking their morning jog through the city of Kashgar. Sixteen of them died in what Chinese authorities called a terrorist attack by Uighur separatists. The New York Times later reported that the attackers wore paramilitary uniforms, casting doubt on the official version.
Six days later, there were several bombings in the city of Kuqa, followed later that month by two stabbing incidents in which several police officers died.
In response - after the Beijing Olympics ended and the world's eyes were no longer upon China - the government deployed soldiers throughout the province, Uighur rights groups say. Security forces made mass arrests of local Muslims and tightened surveillance of religious activities in Xinjiang's southern and central counties, the rights groups say. In some towns, prayer in public places outside the main mosque is forbidden and an imam's sermon is limited to no longer than a half-hour.
Even though no group has claimed responsibility for the violence, Chinese authorities say Islamic separatists are behind it.
The battle against religious extremism is a matter of "life or death," said Wang Lequan, the Communist Party secretary in Xinjiang, in a press statement.
To buttress the point, China President Hu Jintao told fellow leaders of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization at an August summit that members should "deepen cooperation" in their fight against the "three evil forces" of terrorism, separatism and religious extremism.
Searches and restrictions

At most major towns in Xinjiang, soldiers search cars and scan identity cards at checkpoints ringing the perimeters.
Xinjiang's Communist Party officials have also curtailed Islamic dress and diet. During Ramadan, an Islamic celebration that ended in September, local authorities required some Uighur-owned restaurants to remain open during the day, when Muslims normally fast. Government employees have been told to shave their beards, and police have been ordering women to remove their veils.
"It's virtually martial law there," said Seytoff of the Uighur American Association, who calls Xinjiang province East Turkestan, the name the region was known by before being annexed by China in 1949. "East Turkestan is a police state. As long you're a Uighur, you're a criminal suspect in China."
Dilshat Ri****, spokesman for the Germany-based World Uighur Congress, estimates that close to 700 people have been detained since August.
"People can be arrested anytime or anywhere without warrants or charges. People are panicking," said Ri****. "These strategies will worsen the conflict between Uighurs and the Beijing government."
Meanwhile, even Chinese Han residents are complaining about the crackdown.
A clothing store owner in Kashgar named Gao says he has lost regular customers from nearby towns because of lengthy security checks.
Another Chinese Han businessman, who manages an import-export company and asked not to be named, said many Chinese residents now view most Uighurs with suspicion.
"There is fear in Kashgar," said the businessman, whose family was among millions of Han immigrants that left poor villages in eastern China for a better life. "But they (the militants) are not qualified to challenge the Chinese government. It's like trying to fight a wall."
Some Uighurs say that even though they worry about security, the growing influence of the Han Chinese over the economy poses a larger threat to their livelihood. A hotel employee in Kashgar named Omar said that most Uighurs experience job discrimination on a regular basis.
"Even if a Uighur knows English, Russian and French, and does a good job, a Chinese will still get the position," he said.
The struggle of the Uighur people

The Uighurs (WEE-gurs), who live in China's western Xinjiang province, are a Sunni Muslim ethnic group related to the Turkic peoples of Central Asia. The Uighurs have long resisted Beijing's efforts to make them adopt Han Chinese ways, as well as its stringent regulation of Islam, which includes barring youths under 18 from entering mosques.
In the 1930s and 1940s, Uighurs fought for and established an independent state they called East Turkestan. Mao Zedong's People's Liberation Army took the region by force in 1949.
Although a smattering of loosely organized separatist groups have periodically fought to recreate East Turkestan, most clashes fizzled out in the 1980s after the Chinese government began investing in Xinjiang's economic development. The independent Jamestown Foundation in Washington estimates that Beijing has invested about $88 billion in western provinces, including Xinjiang.
A booming construction industry sparked a huge influx of Han Chinese into Xinjiang ("New Frontier" in Mandarin). Beijing still encourages poor Han Chinese to "go west" with promises of housing, employment and seed money.
Nicholas Bequelin, who monitors the province for Human Rights Watch, says that continued Han migration, rapid economic development and authoritarian rule are a long-term strategy to crush Uighur dissent. Han Chinese now comprise more than half of Xinjiang's population of 20 million people.
"This isn't reactive repression. It's a deliberate policy to control, monitor and sterilize Uighur culture so it can't be a vehicle for autonomy," said Bequelin.


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vinny_121_ND
11-07-2008, 02:43 PM
That's really bad. Same with the government restrictions on christianity and falun gong which I'm not familiar with.

Laworkerbee
11-07-2008, 03:24 PM
I still surprises me that AQ has not targeted the Chinese for their suppression of Islam.

vinny_121_ND
11-07-2008, 03:44 PM
I still surprises me that AQ has not targeted the Chinese for their suppression of Islam.

Same here. Not only do they not target them, they do business with them. They buy their cheap 7.62 ammunition.

Ritual
11-07-2008, 04:31 PM
I wonder if AQ feels that if they tried in a serious direct manner that they'd be curb stomped?

dragonlord
11-07-2008, 04:41 PM
Oh, no, no...they (Qaeda) don't wanna go messing with China.

We (USA) are nice! We care about world opinion, geneva convention, blah, blah... But, the ChiCom...they'll hold your entire family responsible for your deeds and ship them all off to a N. Korean Gulag...stuff your mouth full of pork before they execute you, just so you don't get to see your 72 chicas.

Nuh-uh...they don't wanna be messin' with China.

pave_hawk
11-09-2008, 01:14 AM
I still surprises me that AQ has not targeted the Chinese for their suppression of Islam.
They really have, even before 911.

SimaGine
11-09-2008, 06:00 AM
They really have, even before 911.

like what?

I can't think of a name
11-09-2008, 06:03 AM
I still surprises me that AQ has not targeted the Chinese for their suppression of Islam.

Because China wont put up with that. The PLA has wiped out entire villages that have put up resistance.

Xinjiang is also heavily patrolled on tis boarders by the PLA and the SCO was created in part to prevent trans boarder jihadis. Also the PAP has a large presence.

Xinjaing is also knows for the paramilitary XPCC (Bingtuan). It is an acienct Chinese tradition from the Han Dynasty.

Calanen
11-09-2008, 06:30 AM
I still surprises me that AQ has not targeted the Chinese for their suppression of Islam.

One thing at a time. No namby pamby human rights Fifth Columnists within the ranks of the Chinese to broadcast Apologism 101 through the mass media on your behalf. They would actually have to - gasp - win, rather than convince everyone on Youtube they were winning.

Hit China, and the gloves are really off. And the great Satan comes first.

pave_hawk
11-09-2008, 08:11 PM
like what?
They bombed several buses in the capital city of the region in late 1990s, and assassinated some local religous leaders who they believe were pro-China in the same period. They also sent members to AQ and Taliban's camps in Afgh and some of them were captured by ally forces after 911.

Andrew Chalmers
11-09-2008, 08:23 PM
Al Qaeda really began targeting US interests following the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War... blaming the US for Islamic societies' problems and the presence non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia. AQ doesn't have the same beef against the PRC.

Are there organizations that have links with Al Qaeda that operate in China? Yes - but Al Qaeda doesn't have a particularly strong presence outside of Saudi Arabian Wahhab influences. There are more Hui Muslims in China than Uighurs - and the Chinese mentality towards religion is a general ambivilenge and lasse fair attitude (unless it is perceived that the religion threatens the political/social system). Tens of thousands of Chinese Muslims make the Hajj every year...

The Chinese-Uighur conflict is not over religion - but ethnic nationalism/cultural assimulation... some of which crosses over with religion but religious differences aren't the primary cause of the conflicts.

pave_hawk
11-09-2008, 08:27 PM
Uighurs are not the largest Muslim Community in China!! Aparently, the journalist should spend more time on basic facts. Chinese law banned public religous education for youth under 18, but this is the same for all religion, it is not deliberately designed for Muslim.

Even if a Uighur knows English, Russian and French, and does a good job, a Chinese will still get the position,"
I can tell a dozen stories from my own experiences that Muslim students get better positions than Han students with equivalent qualification.

pave_hawk
11-09-2008, 08:33 PM
Are there organizations that have links with Al Qaeda that operate in China? Yes - but Al Qaeda doesn't have a particularly strong presence outside of Saudi Arabian Wahhab influences. There are more Hui Muslims in China than Uighurs - and the Chinese mentality towards religion is a general ambivilenge and lasse fair attitude (unless it is perceived that the religion threatens the political/social system). Tens of thousands of Chinese Muslims make the Hajj every year...

The Chinese-Uighur conflict is not over religion - but ethnic nationalism/cultural assimulation... some of which crosses over with religion but religious differences aren't the primary cause of the conflicts.
Totally agree. Religoion is used to attract eyeballs of foreigners and cover the real motivation behind.

vinny_121_ND
11-09-2008, 08:44 PM
-------------They also sent members to AQ and Taliban's camps in Afgh and some of them were captured by ally forces after 911.

And found to be of no threat to the US. The chinese government kicked them out, and the ughers went to afghanistan, and were 'caught' by warlords who gave them to the US forces in exchange for money.

pave_hawk
11-09-2008, 09:24 PM
And found to be of no threat to the US. The chinese government kicked them out, and the ughers went to afghanistan, and were 'caught' by warlords who gave them to the US forces in exchange for money.
Interesting. Then, why was the U.S not kind enough to provide them asylum just like what they did for other Chinese disenters?

vinny_121_ND
11-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Interesting. Then, why was the U.S not kind enough to provide them asylum just like what they did for other Chinese disenters?

As of right now, they are still in Guantanamo bay. Nobody wants to accept them. Can't send them to china because fear of their human rights abuses.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/01/guantanamo-china

If they were released onto american soil, the press would be all over this saying 'Gitmo freed terrorists now in America'.