REQUEST INFO: about US FORCES stuff

[shilka234]

Hi All!

I have seen somewhere that the troops U.S. forces (army or marines not sure) have been using stuff to keep their moral of their soldiers high.
This stuff it is kind of mineral or rock attached to their suit near their neck so it makes the soldier not to get tired or feel bad in stressing conditions.

Does anyone have information related to that?

Thanks all!

Ps. Excuse for my grammar I hope I made myself understand.

[Alpheus]

Ummmmm, what? Do you mean like a good luck charm?

[Albatross]

The thing you saw was most likely some kind of personal effect. Do you have any photos?

[LaoSexMachine]

IVs are the ultimate cure for a hang over. IMO.

[Albatross]

IVs are the ultimate cure for a hang over. IMO.

Using medical supplies for personal pleasure is not good for the republik comrade. I must report you.

[LaoSexMachine]

Using medical supplies for personal pleasure is not good for the republik comrade. I must report you.


When Chebama calls on me for civil service I'm going to report you for illegal downloads.

[Albatross]

When Chebama calls on me for civil service I'm going to report you for illegal downloads.


they have all been done for the good of the state.

[shilka234]

Ummmmm, what? Do you mean like a good luck charm?

No.
It was something official somehow. I think that the US FORCE's provided that to their soldiers and marines as standard in their equipment.
Thanks

[shilka234]

The thing you saw was most likely some kind of personal effect. Do you have any photos?

No it was not a personal effect. If I remember well the BDU of those soldiers and marines had a little pocket to hold that mineral (i repeat kind of!)
I am sorry unfortunatly I have NO photos at all.

Thanks

[Wildgoose]

shilka234- I work as a contractor here in Iraq around US military personnel. I am also retired in the US forces. I think someone is playing a stupid joke on you. There are no such items like that issued to the soldiers and marines here.

[shilka234]

IVs are the ultimate cure for a hang over. IMO.

Good contribution. I know that my question requests sounds quite funny but please try to help me out instead of mocking me up!!!!

Thanks,

[HollywoodMarine]

Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer to this!!! It's called a barracks rat! ;) Here are a few examples:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/suckaf00/4v621bm.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/jethro863/marines.jpghttp://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/chikojetset/usmc.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/suckaf00/l_bdc220c7bada78f6fcb111195bf302d9.jpg

By the way... there is no such junk that you describe. Also, those small sleeve pockets were placed there due the body armor covering up the pockets on the old woodland cammi tops. Finally, it's Marine with a capital "M" and not the way you typed it. Please make the correction and do not insult me as such again.

[shilka234]

shilka234- I work as a contractor here in Iraq around US military personnel. I am also retired in the US forces. I think someone is playing a stupid joke on you. There are no such items like that issued to the soldiers and marines here.

Well I remember seeing some pictures of US FORCE showing that.
Maybe I missunderstud what was it for. But still I am sure that something like that was in use somewhere in the last 20 years.
Maybe they just tested. I dunno.

Thanks,

[HollywoodMarine]

It's called Motrin.

[shilka234]

Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer to this!!! It's called a barracks rat! ;) Here are a few examples:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/suckaf00/4v621bm.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/jethro863/marines.jpghttp://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/chikojetset/usmc.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/suckaf00/l_bdc220c7bada78f6fcb111195bf302d9.jpg


Come on MAN it took me some time to open that thread to find out what is this stuff used by the US military.

Anyway your answer is interesting (VERY NICE! with somekind of Borat accent) and i really appreciated.

But it is not what I am looking for as I am sure you allready know.

Thanks,

Ps, Mod's I know -looks like- that this is becaming a highway to hell thread but my intentions were humble and honest. PLEASE Do not shut it down

HOPE and EXPERT on that subjet will light us up.

[HollywoodMarine]

Come on MAN it took me some time to open that thread to find out what is this stuff.
Then post your facts and findings.

Ps, Mod's please i know that is becaming a highway to hell thread but my intentions where humble and honest. HOPE and EXPERT on that subjet will light us up.
And we gave you humble and honest answers. THERE ARE NO SUCH PILLS!!!

[shilka234]

It's called Motrin.

I am quite sure that is not medicine the answer of my previous question.

Thanks,

[HollywoodMarine]

Uh, yeah... we all know. The Motrin comment went right over your head like a fast moving F/A-18 on after burners.

[shilka234]

Then post your facts and findings.

And we gave you humble and honest answers. THERE ARE NO SUCH PILLS!!!

I have no facts or findings to post. The info I ve, it's POOR i know, but thats what I have. Thats why I ve opened a new thread. To ask someone with knowledge to help me out.

But did you read my first post? Do it again if you did. I've never mention that those were PILLS or any kind of medicines. (On my first post: "This stuff it is kind of mineral or rock attached to their suit near their neck so it makes the soldier not to get tired or feel bad in stressing conditions")

Thanks for your contribution,

[HollywoodMarine]

But did you read my first post?
Yes, and I also read your 3rd post...

No it was not a personal effect. If I remember well the BDU of those soldiers and marines had a little pocket to hold that mineral
Minerals in the States sorta resembles vitamins (i.e., pills). It appears you are describing the item somewhere off which causes us to misinterpret you. As for the item, it's a small scarf that has a chemical that reacts to water, which causes it to get cold and cool off your neck. It's a civilian product that isn't issued to us.

[California Joe]

There are no official "rocks or crystals" given to any US Troops. Your information is bad, you have no pictures for us to better understand what you mean, we are trying to be patient here, but your lack of understanding the word "No" is starting to get on my nerves. This threads only saving grace is nearly naked broads.

Now you know.

[Britboy]

Those aren't minerals in a plastic box.

Those are earplugs in there.

To be fair, still having some hearing is also good for morale, better than having some anti-stress rock anyway

[LaoSexMachine]

Good contribution. I know that my question requests sounds quite funny but please try to help me out instead of mocking me up!!!!

Thanks,


The Marines don't issue you any "good luck charm". I was never issued one.

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

MAYBE HE MEANT THAT POSITIVE ION STUFF THE RUSSIANS WERE MESSING ABOUT WITH!!!





http://superforce.com/Press-Releases/press-1.gif (http://www.superforce.com/)VANCOUVER, BC - Feb 7, 2002 -- Olympians may benefit from technology derived from the Cold War Era. For decades the Russians have been secretly using a unique performance enhancement device that has proven to increase endurance levels by as much as 900%, balance coordination by 300%, andhttp://superforce.com/Press-Releases/Russian-Hockey.gif reaction time by 100%. In studies conducted by the Soviet Union just after World War II, negative ion generators were used during training of Track and Field athletes, Gymnasts, Swimmers and Boxers, as part of a new Soviet policy decision to dominate international sports.
Canadian ion scientist, Guy Cramer, has been studying the effects of ions on human behavior for 15 years. In this capacity, he has consulted for the NHL. In 1993 he confirmed that the Russians were still using these negative ion generators with the Russian Red Army and Olympic hockey teams as recently as 1989. This information was verified with former Russian hockey players now playing in the NHL. Naturally, Cramer was intrigued but not surprised by what he had discovered. He points out, "The Russians competed in their first international hockey tournament in 1958, only five years after the Czechs showed them how to play, and they won the world championship by beating the Canadians 7-2 in the final game. They literally skated our boys off their feet!" In the 1972 Summit Series between Canada and the Russians, Paul Henderson commented after the first game, "I worked really hard in training... by this time I was really gasping for air. And I look up and this Russian is standing beside me... not breathing at all... I just felt sick. I knew we'd been sucked in."
This may all sound a little far-fetched for the average sports fan, but the scientific community does recognize significant and measurable effects of ions on human behavior. An excess of positive ions produces detrimental effects both physically (headaches, dizziness, fatigue, circulatory disorders etc.) and mentally (irritation, apathy, anxiety, depression etc). Negative ions are beneficial, and can improve alertness, concentration and overall body function. These findings are based on research with air ions from groups and organizations such as Oxford University, RCA Laboratories, U.S. Air Force, Mercedes Benz, and the Swiss Bank... just to name a few of the more than 5000 studies. Negative ion generators/air purifiers are common household appliances found at many department and drug stores. The U.S. Navy uses these generators on the bridges of their ships to keep the command watch alert and energized.
Cramer's encyclopedic knowledge of ion-related information supports a rather suspicious theory. In his words, "The Americans discovered the Russian negative ion study in 1960, when U.S. intelligence translated the relevant documents (see abbreviated study notes attached). There is some anecdotal evidence that the U.S. may have used positive ions against the Russian Olympic hockey team during the 1980 Winter Olympics held in Lake Placid N.Y. They housed the Russians in a converted prison, and some of the key hockey players and the coach complained of symptoms that are associated with positive ion overdose. These positive ions would have taken away the advantage the Russians had built up training with negative ions. If the Americans used positive ions in the ventilation of the Russian accommodations to limit the Russians, then it is quite feasible that they could have used negative ions with their own U.S. team. The 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team beat the Russians and went on to win the Gold Medal, which is now remembered as one of the biggest moments in sports history. Interesting, isn't it?"
The Olympic Committee knows about negative ion training, and has never objected to it, primarily because there are no known side effects and its considered natural, "If you trained within 1/2 a mile of Niagara Falls you would be training in high levels of negative ions. Negative ion generators simulate this effect," adds Cramer. Negative ion training certainly has not been widely embraced by athletic trainers, as most believed the Russian study to be propaganda until Cramer confirmed the ongoing undisclosed program recently. The Russians have been taking advantage of their "secret weapon" for years, and have many medals and world championships to show for it.
The Russians used the generators in relative secrecy, keeping the athletes in the dark. Many athletes knew about the generators but it was never disclosed to them what the generators were actually for. The research concluded that the athletes would retain the increased abilities for one month away from the system so they never had to bring it with them to competitions, tournaments or the Olympics.
Cramer tried to encourage the NHL to adopt the Russian system, but soon discovered a new perspective on 'enhanced performance.' "The General Managers were concerned that the improvement in athletic ability would translate into higher salary demands by the players, which current revenue streams could not justify. Needless to say, it's a bit disheartening when you have something that works too well," confides Cramer.
Cramer is now applying his scientific expertise to two entrepreneurial ventures, as a cofounder of HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp., http://www.hyperstealth.com (http://www.hyperstealth.com/), and United Dynamics Corp., http://www.superforce.com (http://www.superforce.com/).
HyperStealth produces and markets a unique design of a proprietary Passive Negative Ion Generator, for which the company has patent pending. The passive negative ion generator is a lightweight unit which doesn't require a power source, that can also be clipped onto or sewn into clothing and is currently being tested with athletes, emergency workers, law enforcement officers and the Military.
HyperStealth Golf hats with the Passive Negative Ion Generator installed within the material of the hat should be available by the spring of 2002. However, Cramer makes no claims about the Passive Negative Ion Generator, much research has been done on active negative ion generators (high powered sources), while the Passive Negative Ion Generator has not completed any blind studies with placebos by independent research. Recently, one research group in the U.S. has requested and been sent placebos (non working but identical devices) to compare with results from the real devices.
Cramer adds that the Chinese government officials have stated through channels that they want every Chinese athlete training with negative ions prior to the Olympics in Beijing 2008. Cramer informed a few contacts in the U.S. government of the Chinese comments and these people hinted that they would prefer little Chinese involvement with the new technology for the time being.
United Dynamics operates a website, http://www.superforce.com (http://www.superforce.com/), dedicated to forecasting the natural changing ion ratios in the atmosphere and correlating this data to various aspects of human behavior. With these forecasts, our Canadian scientist has been able to accurately predict trends in such activities as hockey and baseball games, golf tournaments, horse races and stock markets. In fact, phantom day trading experiments, ongoing for just over 2 years with world indexes and individual stocks using his system have yielded remarkable results.
According to Cramer, "By understanding how the molecular structure of the air we breathe can affect the way we feel and react, and by analyzing past trends in relation to ion ratio data, future predictions become logical when you know what the ion balance will be at any given time. An individual or team at the Olympics that performs below expectations may just be competing on the wrong day."
The events of September 11, 2001 changed the way SuperForce.com discloses the daily data. The factors that led to the discontinuation of the Daily and Monthly service after Sept 11th will remain undisclosed for security reasons. While the daily forecast is now available to U.S. Government, DOD and Special Forces sources only, the Premium monthly service is still available to the general public for $85.00 per month. The Premium service is logistically different than the daily data, which allows it to continue without impeding on security concerns.
The company now tracks 600 U.S. stocks and updates the table monthly http://superforce.com/top100/ review the previous 1 month and 12 months, as Cramer states, "your only as good as the latest correlation."
As a result of his work, Guy Cramer has recently been invited to appear on two major TV networks, including PBS's World Business Review hosted by Alexander Haig, and CNBC's DotCom hosted by Mark Hamill. Cramer's unconventional method has been featured in the Financial Post, one of Canada's leading national newspapers, in Grant's Investor, an online financial magazine Chaired by James Grant, the Vancouver Province Newspaper, on the MSNBC website, and is the subject of an article in the September issue of Ticker Magazine, a U.S. finance trade publication. The BBC Radio interviewed Cramer on the subject of the U.S. Presidential Election and the most optimum ion ratio day for voters to decide the fate of each candidate.
With the zero tolerance against banned substances so strictly and justifiably enforced by the Olympic Committee, perhaps it's time for more nations to take a closer look at ion training. Olympic Gold may be just a few extra breaths away.
Russian Ion-Athletics Study

<FONT size=3>Fact: In static endurance the gymnast control group had a decreased endurance after 25 days while the negative ion group showed a 46% improvement. The track and field control group’s static endurance improved 40% after 25 days while the negative ion track and field group improved by 192%.

[LineDoggie]

Ok, having Served In Iraq, I can categorically state no such thing is issued to US Forces, Shilka.


The Motrin comment was spot on for any who've served. its an inside joke with a lot of truth to it.

[Britboy]

Is this your 'mineral case'?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31YrZQU6jqL._SL500_SL150_.jpg
Its not some crystal, its earplugs.

[LineDoggie]

Is this your 'mineral case'?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31YrZQU6jqL._SL500_SL150_.jpg
Its not some crystal, its earplugs.


Aaaah, good catch

[Dominique]

Ear plugs improved my moral, as I use them to block out the BS spewing from peoples mouths.

[Britboy]

Haha or the snoring!! :D

I actually have a set of the GI earplugs, as well as my issued earmuff type ones - they're a bit more handy.

[California Joe]

Ear plugs improved my moral, as I use them to block out the BS spewing from peoples mouths.

So that means you wear a blindfold while posting here? :)