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TheGunner
11-11-2008, 02:39 PM
Magpul-Dynamics

THE ART OF THE TACTICAL CARBINE


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Magpul-Dynamics is a branch of Magpul-Industries. They have specialised themselves to firearms and all kinds of tactical training. Beside the standard program they offer classes for VSBB and aerial sniper-support, defensive off-road driving and tactical training under HAZMAT conditions. Travis Haley the president of Magpul-Dynamics and Richard Fitzpatrick, president of Magpul-Industries meet during there tours in the Marine Recon/Force Recon. The director of training, Chris Costa, served several years with the USCG and worked the last few years for the DOHS, as a contractor for several types of tactical training in unconventional environments.

The DVD-Set „The art of the Tactical Carbine“ is a collection of intensive fundamental and advanced combat-carbine training, drills and other useful hints for any carbine operator. The training is based on the AR15-weaponsystem, but except a few typical AR15 manipulations you can adopt most of the material for any type of self-loading-rifle. The Set is made up out of 3 DVD´s. The first Disk is all about fundamentals: magazine placement, optics and accessories, battle sight zero, iron sights / electronic optics, shooting stance, weapon grip / recoil control, speed- and tactical reloads, solving malfunctions, shooting on the move, natural and improvised shooting positions, individual and team barricaded drills.

On the second DVD of the set you learn about the advanced skills: individual and team stress drills, rapid threat analysis & acquisition, weapon transition, advanced shooting on the move, multiple target engagement, weapon and reaction side barricade drills, advanced individual and team barricade drills and the “check-drill”.
DVD # 3 has a lot of features on it. You can go to 23 different drills from the first and second DVD. Each drill is shown in full speed (and Travis and Chris ARE fast) in 50% and 30% slow motion from different camera angles. Later on Chris Costa is talking about weapons accessories, disassembly and maintenance of the AR15-System and weapon storage and travelling with your gun.


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The difference between this set and most other training stuff I have seen is, that this training film is not a monolog by an individual. The viewer is like a “ghost shooter” imbedded in the Magpul-Basic-carbine-Course on the first and the Magpul-Advanced-Carbine-Course on the second disc. The First course is held by Travis and Chris together. Both are animating the class in a very friendly but very serious way. What I like is that they don’t use the well known “my way or the highway” method but rather than that they acquire the techniques with the participants. By the way, this is also the way I like to go. The Instructors live what they teach and sometimes they show it of with breathtaking speed and accuracy. Breathtaking is also the speed of Chris Costa’s comments. He has most of the text in this production and he is talking very clearly and he is good to understand. But if you wait for a breather, you’re lost. But this will do not any harm to the quality. Just on the 3rd Disc when he is talking about weapon accessories, maintenance and travel it is still very clear but it gets a little hard too. But may be, its just me.

The shown manipulations and manoeuvres are rational. Every shooter, depending on his/her skills, can adopt the techniques very easy. The philosophy of Travis Haley and Chris Costa is definitely speed and communication in the team. Besides the actual training it is a lot of fun to watch the first two DVD several times again. My wife was very interested in what she saw and would have loved to join the training at the class. Of course I was in the same boat. The very well trained combat-carbine-slinger will not see too much new stuff. But you will may see quiet a few options and helpful suggestions for advanced tactical carbine training. Over ten years ago I bought a couple of training-movies from “The Burner”. It helped me a lot back then but it also cost me about an arm and a leg. Compared to that, the Magpul-DVD-Set is quiet affordable.

The camera work is also worth mentioning. Static takes in front of an old batik-curtain are history. The camera is “running” with the shooters or it is mounted to the carbines, in both directions! I really like the way they made it and it reminds me on modern action-movies. When the action starts and the view is jumping back and forth between 3-4 different camera positions, the audience needs to pay attention. Is this positive or negative for the individual viewer? I can’t tell. I guess this is up to every single observer. Well, at least I like it. Overall the set impressed me and I like to watch it more often then other training-movies I have. It’s bringing up a fresh breeze in some of the dusty collections and it covers a quiet large area of the needs a carbine operator has. The whole system is build up in a way, that an individual or a team can train separated segments or combinations.

I hope you enjoyed my review on “The Art of the Tactical Carbine”

Cheers,

Gunner

FreshMag
11-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Gunner,
I finished watching this series over the weekend and I was very impressed over all as well. The Magpul guys, Haley and Costa, did a great job of explaining what they wanted to get done and why. The disc one class looked to be pretty basic and indeed the areas that were covered , BZ, clearing malfunctions, reloads etc will be a good refresher for a large portion of the frequent visitors to this site. I felt the second disc really got to the meat of the series with the emphasis on the shooting and moving, and especially the communications between team members when the shiite hits the fan. I learned/relearned quite a bit on the going to the secondary weapons section and rewatched that part several times. The drills on disc three are great because you get to see what the skill is supossed to look like. As you mentioned, to watch Chris Costa and Travis Haley do a speed reload or put six in the head of a target at 50 yards at a dead run is pretty impressive. The price of the series is pretty low for the subject matter covered and I felt it was a good value for the money.

SMGLee
11-11-2008, 05:07 PM
Haley and Costa is on the trigger and good to go guys. they have vast experience in gun fighting and bring real world experience to the table with their classes and video.

For the price of the DVD set, it is one of the best X-mas gifts possible for those that love the art of gun fighting.

ZoneOne
11-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Costa knows his stuff. I had a chance to talk with him at the International Sniper Comp here at Benning and he definitely has a wealth of knowledge - and the greatest part is he is amped to share.

Lazuris
11-12-2008, 05:04 PM
I ran a pistol class with Travis a month ago or so. The guy is easy to train with and as the op said does not force one method down your throat over another and Travis is scary fast. My DVD is in the mail, ordered it the other day. Talking with Travis about making the DVD he said that they "magpul" teamed up with the Discovery Channel to do the filming hence the crisp look to the DVD. I’m taking this class in April so I’m hoping the DVD will act as a primer to the class.

+1 to Magpul Dynamics.

Gunge
11-12-2008, 05:52 PM
how much?
where do i order?

Lazuris
11-12-2008, 06:27 PM
http://www.magpuldynamics.com/

$35.95 + Shipping

kutter
11-12-2008, 06:39 PM
This item cannot be exported from the United States of America without a valid permit due to U.S. State Dept. ITAR restrictions. Unfortunately this also includes military APO addresses.

Damnit, I really wanted to get my hands on a copy :(

asch
11-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Damnit, I really wanted to get my hands on a copy :(
same here.
:|

Nevins
11-13-2008, 12:23 AM
from videos on youtube, Chris Costa seems like a very good instructor, and is easy to follow.

This and the book Green Eyes & Black Rifles by kyle lamb is on my xmas list.

unfortunately im still 17, so until i turn 18 these will be the only things i can draw information from. and hopefully help me prepare for my 1st carbine course.

tsuri
11-13-2008, 03:39 AM
Great Review!

Is there any reason why these export restrictions are placed on a DVD set? I noticed that this seems to be an issue with the Magpul Dynamics store in general, so other vendors might not apply this rule?

Amazon.com (which ,oddly enough, cites magpul as the supplier) gives no information on any restrictions and I have planned to order there to see if they would ship it to Europe or not.

Hispeed1
11-13-2008, 05:07 PM
Clips of Chris and Travis in action from Magpul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=segtXBwglj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJS3-O9xDo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye30b3TL5wI&feature=related

newforester
11-17-2008, 06:18 AM
Great Review!

Is there any reason why these export restrictions are placed on a DVD set? I noticed that this seems to be an issue with the Magpul Dynamics store in general, so other vendors might not apply this rule?

Amazon.com (which ,oddly enough, cites magpul as the supplier) gives no information on any restrictions and I have planned to order there to see if they would ship it to Europe or not.


Oh yes they do! I just tried it and it is not possible to ship it anywhere outside the US.

The only chance to get it may be an illegal download from the internet or some good friends in the US. :-(

RallyPointCebu
11-17-2008, 06:34 AM
any link for torrent? hehehe.. BAD ME.

i will rather wait for the torrent link. Wink ^_~

Gunge
11-17-2008, 06:59 AM
its 39.95 plus shipping

the site is a little screwwy, i cant get to the end of checkout

PG18
11-19-2008, 01:19 AM
good stuff... i dig it..

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tsuri
11-19-2008, 08:40 AM
Is anyone informed about how to aquire ITAR licenses? I have checked several sources and they say that training materials should be exportable to NATO countries. But they usually go into how to get a license for arms trade, which should not be applicable in this case.
Do I need to contact ATF or State? Can I even get a license?

James
11-19-2008, 01:31 PM
Magpul might have just decided on their own that they won't ship to certain places, even if it is legal.

SilentType
11-20-2008, 03:19 PM
Not to upset anyone and I'm sure Chris Costa is an excellent instructor in the eyes of many, but as someone who has never been through a course at Magpul Dynamics what "real world" operational experience does he bring? United States Coast Guard and Department of Homeland Security sounds great, but what were his roles while attached to those organizations? Was he strictly an instructor? Has he ever been on the wrong end of incoming fire?

Besides Chris Costa are there other instructors on the DVD set and if so what is their background and experience like?

Thanks...again not looking to "bad mouth" Chris Costa or anyone at Magpul Dynamics just curios. Carbine courses aren't often cheap and if you learn something that might not be "right" it sure can take a lot to "unlearn" it sometimes.

Like to thank the original poster in this thread for the Review.

James
11-21-2008, 12:55 AM
Not to upset anyone and I'm sure Chris Costa is an excellent instructor in the eyes of many, but as someone who has never been through a course at Magpul Dynamics what "real world" operational experience does he bring? United States Coast Guard and Department of Homeland Security sounds great, but what were his roles while attached to those organizations? Was he strictly an instructor? Has he ever been on the wrong end of incoming fire?

Besides Chris Costa are there other instructors on the DVD set and if so what is their background and experience like?

http://www.magpuldynamics.com/mission/index.shtml


Travis Haley | President
Travis Haley is a veteran Force Reconnaissance Marine with 14 years of dedicated real world experience including combat tours in the Balkans, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and other classified locations around the world. After leaving the military, Travis Haley has served as a special operations and security contractor including numerous PSD details for dignitaries such as Ambassador Paul Bremer, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Ambassador John Blaney of Liberia, and ECOWAS/MIL JTF task force commander General John Tuner.

The founder, President and Director of Operations at Simply Dynamic Tactical, Mr. Haley developed and refined a tactical training program that he has used to instruct military, government security, law enforcement and private citizens. He brings both his dynamic training methodology and his leadership to Magpul Dynamics.

Chris Costa | Director of Training
Mr. Costa has spent the better part of the past 7 years in the private sector at Applied Marine Technologies Inc. and Linxx on assignment with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Risk Management Division (RMD). At AMTI and Linxx, Mr. Costa specialized in Chemical, Nuclear, Biological and Radiological environments teaching Police Tactical Operations-CBRNE (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear or High Explosive) environments and providing Red Team Vulnerability Assessments on critical infrastructures for the US Government. Prior to this, Mr. Costa spent 12 years with the United States Coast Guard conducting law enforcement and special operations missions in Europe, the Middle East, and South America.

It's not their first rodeo.

tactical73
11-21-2008, 07:39 AM
WoW great guys ;-)

TheGunner
11-21-2008, 11:13 AM
James was faster...

Lazuris
12-01-2008, 06:58 PM
Just finished the 1st DVD. The magpul guys did a great job. I like how all the people in the class were using different equipment and as such lead to gear issues with some of the students. I also like how the DVD shows where additional drills are used on the 3rd dvd. Tonight is the 2nd dvd. Though one important note on this DVD. Make sure you draw the curtins prior to "attempting" some of the drills in your livingroom. The guy next door putting up christmas lights had his eyes bugging out lol.

Oh and best quote so far. Chris Costa to a student "I rode the short bus to school and I didn't see you on it."

-stk-
01-11-2009, 08:30 AM
Just for those who don't already know, the DVD has just been cleared for export.


According to the Exodus Command Center and ICE:

"The DDTC Licensing Officer determined NOT USML MUNITIONS LIST ARTICLE for the DVD titled The Art of the Tactical Carbine. Your EARS record has been marked Decision Rendered. "

So this means that the DVD set is cleared for export to addresses overseas!

best,
costa

LokisFeuer
01-19-2009, 03:45 AM
Sorry for bringing up this old thread, but they didn't ship the Set uverseas till today. :-(
I tried it via amazon.com, but but I can't finished the order process when the shipping-adr. is in Germany.

I felt a little discriminated ... :-*$

TheGunner
01-19-2009, 09:17 AM
Sorry for bringing up this old thread, but they didn't ship the Set uverseas till today. :-(
I tried it via amazon.com, but but I can't finished the order process when the shipping-adr. is in Germany.

I felt a little discriminated ... :-*$

You are discriminated !

Try magpul it self!

Cheers,

Gunner

LokisFeuer
01-19-2009, 10:41 AM
You are discriminated !
I feel better now, thanks :roll:


Try magpul it self!
Magpul is the seller at Amazon ...

- Loki

TheGunner
01-19-2009, 11:04 AM
I feel better now, thanks :roll:




Magpul is the seller at Amazon ...

- Loki

Sometimes it hurts to hear the trought.

Try Magpul directly or Brownells.

Frens
01-19-2009, 11:14 AM
awsome DVD!

SilentType
01-22-2009, 12:09 AM
While I would feel uneasy having folks from overseas be able to order such DVD's I guess if they really wanted one they could just get someone here to purchase it and ship it to them anyways so what's the point of restricting it?

Beowulf
02-05-2009, 01:48 PM
Just got my copy. I've been away and haven't attended or instructed any training for a while. This was a great refresher and I learned as well. Very well put together video, the instructors were great and maintained a high level of motivation and intensity.

SMGLee
02-05-2009, 02:06 PM
Just got my copy. I've been away and haven't attended or instructed any training for a while. This was a great refresher and I learned as well. Very well put together video, the instructors were great and maintained a high level of motivation and intensity.


Wait till you see the 2nd edition.. the advance carbine video...:)

OUTLAW-ONE
02-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Wait till you see the 2nd edition.. the advance carbine video...:)

when is that comming Lee?

Frens
02-05-2009, 02:17 PM
I've heard March somewhere on the web

Beowulf
02-06-2009, 10:51 PM
Wait till you see the 2nd edition.. the advance carbine video...:)

sweet.

I'll have to check it out.

Seraphim
02-12-2009, 09:43 PM
Just started watching disc one.

JVeld
02-12-2009, 10:40 PM
Just ordered it.....hope to get it soon !

Lt. James Anderson
02-12-2009, 11:33 PM
Watched disc two and three again today. Nothing I haven't done before but like Beowulf said it's a great refresher.

Anybody watched Jim Grover's Tactical Carbine?

asch
02-23-2009, 05:02 AM
at last got my copy. :)

JVeld
02-23-2009, 09:19 AM
Just finished watching all 3 discs (pretty good, some of the stuff I've done before )...........Im gonna sell it now, I never really watch stuff over and over.

LokisFeuer
02-26-2009, 02:18 PM
Got mine today.
For a developing nation in shooting (like mine) this is great stuff.

Thanks for your hints.

California Joe
02-26-2009, 02:24 PM
The chicks in it could be a lot hotter. Just sayin.

Seraphim
02-26-2009, 04:04 PM
The chicks in it could be a lot hotter. Just sayin.

Agreed, that chick with the no chin gave me nightmares. I cant wait for the advanced disc.

Sand Man
02-26-2009, 08:40 PM
Are there torrents available already?

Redguy
02-28-2009, 01:31 AM
Just finished watching some brief bits from the DVDs.
Quality stuff, lots of good drills.

Anybody else think this guy sounds sort of like Billy Maze?

also, x2 chicks could have been hotter.

JVeld
02-28-2009, 08:13 AM
Just finished watching some brief bits from the DVDs.

also, x2 chicks could have been hotter.


Yeah, but at the same time just think about how distracting hot chics would be in a class like that where you sometimes have to pay close attenting not to shoot anybody else........Eye Candy=Trouble p-)

Sand Man
03-27-2009, 07:53 AM
Can someone ID what make was that dual light mount Chris showed in the Accessories part?

asch
03-27-2009, 08:44 AM
Yeah, but at the same time just think about how distracting hot chics would be in a class like that where you sometimes have to pay close attenting not to shoot anybody else........Eye Candy=Trouble p-)
in one company i worked, we have a woman of obvious beauty amongst us. twas creating big distress and overall working bad on the team spirit. so i say - chicks in the serious business must not be hawt (xcept personal assistents etc )
:)

Hispeed1
03-27-2009, 01:44 PM
Can someone ID what make was that dual light mount Chris showed in the Accessories part?

LaRue Tactical double stack light mount:
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=22

@ asch: r you crazy man!? I wouldn't mind a hawt co-worker.

koalorka
03-27-2009, 07:16 PM
Wow, will I become an OPERATOR after purchasing that DVD?

BrianT
03-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Yep its pretty much the training equivalent of OTC. Anyways, why does Lt Col White keep getting quoted? Its crazy.

Sand Man
03-28-2009, 02:35 AM
LaRue Tactical double stack light mount:
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=22

@ asch: r you crazy man!? I wouldn't mind a hawt co-worker.

Thanks, HiSpeed.

... and I agree on the hawt co-worker. p-)

REMOV
03-30-2009, 04:54 AM
For a developing nation in shooting (like mine) this is great stuff.I have got a mixed feelings about this DVD.

LokisFeuer
03-30-2009, 05:19 AM
Sometimes it is OK to have mixed feelings about weapons and appendant skills ... :roll:

Sand Man
03-30-2009, 05:58 AM
What's probably great about it is that they don't force their techniques on you. They just kinda show you how they do it and tell you why they do it the way they do.

Their techniques look pretty efficient, though. Can't think of any other way to do it more quicker -- that's from an observer's standpoint.

Just my .02

REMOV
03-30-2009, 06:14 AM
Sometimes it is OK to have mixed feelings about weapons and appendant skillsThe problem is they learn how to shoot an rifle only if it is packed full of tons of gadgets. They nearly do not show how to shoot with iron sights. It look cool and professional, the guys are nice teachers, but - as I wrote before - I have a mixed feelings about it. The whole stand with firearm buttstock located close to the centre of the body is also a little bit strange.