N Korean warns Australia could face nuclear strike

[He219]

Kim Myong-Chol from the Centre for Korean-American Peace last night said if North Korean ships were stopped at sea, North Korea could turn its nuclear arsenal on Australia.

"North Korea is carefully monitoring all Australian behaviour, so Australia must be careful in its behaviour to North Korea," Mr Myong-Chol said.

"Otherwise, harm to Australia."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/15/1058034977622.html

[Saranof]

Kims ****ing stupid enough to do it too...

[Tiger]

I know that they have at least one nuclear weapon but do they have an ICBM to reach Australia?

[ScoutRanger]

They claim to have one that can reach the US but the only one that has even been tested landed in the china sea.

[He219]

Take a look at the missile capabilities:

http://www.nti.org/db/profiles/dprk/msl/cap/NKM_CcGO.html

Great Background info:

http://cns.miis.edu/research/korea

p-)
He219

[theGHOST]

Australia can use there boomarang grenades to stop the nuke...........LOL

just jokin

KiM JoNG iL is weird, but i doubt he'll do that to the land down under. Just bluFFs etc. He prolly like dem blonds in AustraLia ahaha.

[Smoothie104]

I like Australian Blondes, but then again I live with one......

[Mortimer]

Looks like someone with a bit of power is deciding to do something constructive..

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/15/1058035007505.html

[DrunkMonkey81488]

IMHO...If he is making threats like that, bluff or no bluff, something should be done ASAP.

[theGHOST]

THe Aussie's will be alrite the CoMMoNWeaLth will Shield you.

[budanski]

They're gettin a reaction from Japan. (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,199865,00.html)

...now the next step is to get taiwan to get some as well ;)

[Mortimer]

I bet the US is loving this

[hood]

yeah it's pretty much a lose/lose situation at this point.

"We're building nuclear weapons now."

"If you bomb our facility, we'll nuke you."

"If you stop us from selling nukes to terrorists, we'll nuke you."

"If you force us to talk to people other than just the US, we'll probably nuke you also."


At what point do you say, that it's worth a conventional war of a million soldiers, vs. a nuclear war with many millions of casualties in multiple countries?

[Mortimer]

At what point do you say, that it's worth a conventional war of a million soldiers, vs. a nuclear war with many millions of casualties in multiple countries?

Never?

[He219]

moritmer wrote:

Looks like someone with a bit of power is deciding to do something constructive..

You think Kim Jong Ill extorting the world with nuclear weapons proliferation and Korean Armageddon for concessions is constructive?

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/NorthKorea/KoreaGIFS/morin.gif


:cantbeli:
He219

[theGHOST]

The nuclear bomb shouldnt have ever been dropped, shouldnt have ever been use.

Never.........

[Knave]

The nuclear bomb shouldnt have ever been dropped, shouldnt have ever been use.

Never.........

In regards to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Now, why should it have never been used?

[theGHOST]

Yeah, it did save those amount of lives, but look what it has happened since. The Arms between the U.S and the Soviet Union during the Cold War, we have **** loads of nukes which we dont even need. It only take 5 nukes to destroy the world, to begin a nuclear winter.

It shouldnt had ever been dropped.

[Sean85]

But during the Cold War and now the US and Russia/USSR knew that MAD of the world was iminent if a war started amd i dont thikn either side hated the other enough to kill the whole world just to get rid of the enemy.

I also like to call them 'deterants'

[XASA]

It shouldnt had ever been dropped.

After spending two years in Europe, my father was on a troop ship somewhere in the Pacific bound for the invasion of Japan when the bombs were dropped, so I have to agree with Tane Angle, it was worth the death and destruction because it saved many, many more lives, including, possibly, my father's.

[theGHOST]

Did it save the lives of the Japanese?

Did it save the lives of the Pilots who dropped it?

Sean, do you even know why the United States and Russia became enemy's? During WWII they were ally's...........i hope u know that.

[Ratamacue]

Actually Ghost, the bomber crews who dropped the bombs over Japan survived.

[Seraphim]

With all due respect, the use of those two atomic bombs saved an estimated 40 million lives(and that's the conservative estimate). That refers to about 1 million Allied lives, and 39 million Japanese lives. Japanese society at the time was governed by bushido, which essentially was the reason for the "death is better than surrender" attitude. Acting on what they had learned from the war so far, the Allies had reason to believe that they would have to kill each and every Japanese person before the war was over, as they thought that the Japanese would never surrender. So I'd say it saved about 40 billion lives (the two bombs killed less than 200,000 total, over the years). Now I am sorry that those who suffered did suffer, but I think most people would be willing to die to save 40 billion people.

Moreover, I don't think it was vengeful. If it was vengeful, we would have used more (we did have a few more, not hundreds, but enough to wipe out most of Japans population, as it is concentrated in the coastal cities). Or we would have waged the invasion and slaughtered every one. I'd say it did some good. It saved lives.

Just some thoughts...

Not 40billion....lol
I agree that they had to drop those 2 bombs though. I cant remember what island it was but people where throwing themselves off cliffs because they were told that the americans will slaughter everyone and rape all the women.

Oops, forgot to add this to the original post. So what would the point be to nuke Australia to begin with?

Forgot to add this aswell...the people who still live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki all have a higher ratio of luekemia(sp) and other cancers.

[Ratamacue]

I think you're thinking of Okinawa. When we invaded Okinawa, the Japanese government (or military, since that was basically their government) was telling the people that American soldiers would rape the women, and pillage and burn their villages. And of course, they believed it.

[Light Fighter]

"Did it save the lives of the Japanese?"

Do you remember a little attack called Pearl Harbor? You know, the little place were the Japanese attacked a US Navy base early on a sunday morning. It may sound heartless, but I could care less about how many Japanese lives the bombs didnt save. I go by the age old saying, "an eye for an eye"

[theGHOST]

Plz do not even bother to bring up Pear Harbor, the numbers do not even compare to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The people in Pearl Harbor were sailors, pilots and just regular civilians. At lesat the U.S could defend themselves.

Some say U.S intelligence knew about the attack but it ignored it in order for the U.S to get into the WWII, because the American people believed it wasnt there war.

Don't compare Pearl Harbor with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Seraphim]

"Did it save the lives of the Japanese?"

Do you remember a little attack called Pearl Harbor? You know, the little place were the Japanese attacked a US Navy base early on a sunday morning. It may sound heartless, but I could care less about how many Japanese lives the bombs didnt save. I go by the age old saying, "an eye for an eye"

And that is why there is soo much hate in this world.

[theGHOST]

Actually Ghost, the bomber crews who dropped the bombs over Japan survived.

The bombers died of lead poisoning.

[Nawlins]

Sean, do you even know why the United States and Russia became enemy's? During WWII they were ally's...........i hope u know that.

All it takes to make allies is a common enemy. WWII, common enemy = Hitler. Remember: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Once that was gone, well... communism and democracy don't mix well.

[theGHOST]

Um..........you realize the U.S, Canada, U.K didnt have a problem with the Commi's at the time. They even had communist party's.

During the 1950's there was a man named IGOR GOUZENKO, he was Russia spy working in the Russian Embassy in Ottawa Canada. Gouzenko had files about spy's operating in CAnada, U.S and the U.K. Gouzenko had defected from Russia and went to the Canadian government and revealed Russia's secret. The Canadian's informed the U.S government and the British government. This led to chain of arrest in the U.S, Canada and the Britain. The majority of the Communist Party in Canada was arrested for espionage.

[Ratamacue]

The United States did have a problem with communism. However, we needed Russia as an ally and didn't have to resources to fight Germany, Japan, and Russia at the same time.

We still do have a communist party in America today. However, parties aren't exactly formed by the government, and people in the United States are allowed to believe in communism if they want.

[He219]

theGHOST wrote:

It only take 5 nukes to destroy the world, to begin a nuclear winter.

That would depend entirely on the type(s) of device(s) used. A W-88 Warhead, a current example, has an approximate yield of 475 Kt. Stack a few of these inside the Mk-5 Reentry Vehicle and you have a total of Eight (8) Warheads on the nose of one Trident II (D5) SLBM missile capable of hitting targets spread out over a huge area with a 'combined' puch of 3.8Mt.

http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Usa/Weapons/W88.html

http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Usa/Weapons/W87clr250c20.jpg

The largest US atmospheric test, the Castle Bravo Blast, was a 15 Megaton Hydrogen Device exploded on Bikini Atoll in 1954. Bravo vaporised a crater 250' deep and 6,500' in diameter out of the atoll rock. The effects of Radioactive Fallout from this blast was unexpected and frightning.

http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/26$3$64.gif

Early Hydrogen Bombs were based on the MK-17/24 aircraft deliverable platforms.
http://sopris.net/mpc/military/v/hydrogen.bomb.mark17.jpg


The Soviets detonated the largest Bomb ever, an air-dropped 50 Megaton Hydrogen Device (a scaled back 100 Megaton Design) dubbed the 'Monster Bomb'. (http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/strange/slove06.wav)Compare this with the approximately 16-21 Kiloton Hiroshima/Nagasaki devices or the 3.8 Megaton Total of Eight ( 8 ) Warheads inside Mk-5 Thermonuclear MIRV (Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicles) on the Trident II (D5) Seal Launched Ballistic Missile, one of the biggest in the US inventory.

I hardly believe your assertion that Five( 5 ) Warheads or 'Nukes' of standard issue would destroy the world with a Nuclear Winter. We could always ask Dr. Strangelove.

p-)
He219

[Knave]

There's been literally hundreds of atmospheric tests in the 50-plus years since the end of the Second World War - over one hundred by the Americans alone. And the French still test theirs.

5 nukes to end the world? :roll: Where'd you pull that statistic from?

[Knave]

Actually Ghost, the bomber crews who dropped the bombs over Japan survived.

The bombers died of lead poisoning.

Lead poisoning?

(Now Retired) General Paul Tibbets should be told about that....

Really, where do you get your facts? A source? A URL?

[Seiyuuki]

Regardless of whether we dropped those two bombs or not, the secret of splitting the atom was going to be known eventually.

If we had the secret to this power, what were we going to do about it? If we built weapons, we were going to built many of them, and that's going to draw attention no matter how much we try to keep it a secret. Some other country would definitely want to know more about it. If we use for power, a nuclear reactor popping up here and there is also going to draw attention, and other country would consider the usage of it as a weapon and seek to know more about it. So...no matter what, nuclear power wasn't going to be a secret for long, if we didn't drop the bomb, we could only have delay the inevitable.

Take stealth for example, we did a good job of keeping it a secret for like a decade, but we use it in Panama and the Gulf War, and that raise some question among the world community...now...everybody know it exist. Stealth is ironic ain't it? The Germans were first to conceptualize it, but they weren't aware of it...then the concept use in stealth technology today was formulated by a Russian, who published his finding, the Soviet Union wasn't interested, his finding was open there for anyone to see...the U.S. saw it, they like it, they took it, then they made it a very good exclusive secret.

[He219]

I totally agree with Seiyuuki. It is inevitable that nations like North Korea, Iran and 'others' are going to develop Nuclear Weapons out of an Atomic Energy Program. The real question relates to Weapons Proliferation and the accountablity for those nations not to pass them on to 'other' rouge or terrorist elements. South Africa developed an Atomic Weapons program a long time ago, only to dismantle it again.

The MAD concept of the Cold War was based on accountability. If North Korea would use their few 'Nukes' on various targets like Australia, Japan or South Korea, they would be toast. It's the Chemical Warheads that would pose a greater danger to a civilian populus. The 300,000 artillery projectile raining down on Seoul each hour would cause tremendous carnage. Eventually, after Millions of People are killed, North Korea would cease to exist along with the rest of the Korean Peninsula. So the North uses this threat to extort the world for food and economic assistance while demanding the United States declares a Non-Agression treaty to recognize the North with It's aims of Unifying the two Koreas, obviously under Kim Jong Ill. Correct me if I'm wrong.....

;)
He219

[Vance]

It doesn't matter if the US had dropped the A-Bomb or not, the Germans and the Russians were both producing nuclear weapons and Germany was damn close to a functional A-Bomb. So eventually there would be nukes, like it or not...

[He219]

Germany was damn close to a functional A-Bomb

Pure Myth that spurred our own Scientists to actually develop the Bomb. It makes me think of the Atomic 'Missile Gap' of the Cold War.

;)

[Vance]

Unless that wink signifies a sarcastic post, you're wrong...

[cut]

I agree with vance on this one...

[Sean85]

Sean, do you even know why the United States and Russia became enemy's? During WWII they were ally's...........i hope u know that.

Of course I knew that, I may be a kid but I do enjoy history. Im not sure exactly why they became enemies except for the the fact the communism began to spread throughout Asia and the Western Europe states. Maybe one of the smarter people on the board can fill in the rest

[Mortimer]

moritmer wrote:

Looks like someone with a bit of power is deciding to do something constructive..

You think Kim Jong Ill extorting the world with nuclear weapons proliferation and Korean Armageddon for concessions is constructive?

:cantbeli:
He219

lol if you had bothered to read the article you would have learned China has taken to this problem by sending envoys to NK to hopefully sought it out.

Which i might add is a more constructive approach then building 2 aircraft carriers in the area.

[Mortimer]

But remember the Japanese attacked a navy base...the US attacked a city full of civilians....

250k people died in the nuke
2500 died in pearl Harbour.....

Japan still deserved what it got but using the justifacion of an eye for an eye for PH is wrong.

oh wait....the same sought of thing happned in 9/11! 2000 US people die, up to 5 times that many civilians have to die on the other side.

[Kitsune]

The "40 million" number is a pure american wartime propaganda. Bull****. If the Japanese were that fanatical they would not have given up after two bombs. They would have fought on until the last one was killed. But not even the Japanese are that fanatical.

The ethic way of doing it would have been to DEMONSTRATE the bomb first: detonating it over Tokio bay during nighttime high up in the air or something. And only to target a city full of innocent people if the Japanese did not react to that. But the USA didn't even bother to try something like it. They rather killed 100.000 people. But OK...still fewer than the Germans killed in the Holocaust...you are the good guys after all. ;)

[Duke]

But remember the Japanese attacked a navy base...the US attacked a city full of civilians....

250k people died in the nuke
2500 died in pearl Harbour.....


From Pearl to the Japanese surrender, Mortimer can you calculate the number of civilians who died due to the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy. Furthermore, how many died before Pearl Harbor by the hands of the Japanese, meaning the Chinese, Burmese, Koreans.

...japanese were that fanatical they would not have given up after two bombs. They would have fought on until the last one was killed. But not even the Japanese are that fanatical....
Japanese historians cite the Imperial Japanese Army attempted a coup rather than surrender as ordered by their Emperor.

[cut]

pearl harbor was unprovoked

hiroshima was a knock out punch (if a little heavy)

[theGHOST]

Did the U.S not cut all trade to the Japanese during the WAR because of there invasion of Manchuria, China etc.

[cut]

what's wrong with that?

[Duke]

Cut,
How would you know how much "punch" is required to take out the Japanese Empire. Hint: Never hit the enemy with what you "think' is ample. Hit your enemy with all you have, its your life.

[cut]

maybe
despite the whole "avoiding civilians" now is becomming a bit of a pain in the arse, taking out whole citiesis always over the top. By all means hit them with all you got but twice? and Nagasaki was twice as hard.

[Duke]

maybe
despite the whole "avoiding civilians" now is becomming a bit of a pain in the arse, taking out whole citiesis always over the top. By all means hit them with all you got but twice? and Nagasaki was twice as hard.
Before posting might I suggest reading on Japanese history. The first A-bomb did not force a Japanese surrender, another A bomb was required for capitulation. There wasn't a third, since the Japanese surrendered. Two sufficed.

[He219]

mortimer, I did interpret you statement wrong. If China rolled into North Korea spearheaded by the PLA (like they did to Vietnam in '79) and removed Kim Jong Ill, then I would call it constructive. Otherwise it's just more talk with concessions eventually being demanded by Pyongyang.


oh wait....the same sought of thing happned in 9/11! 2000 US people die, up to 5 times that many civilians have to die on the other side.
The lesson.... Don't F*#k with us!
Also, I believe it was more than 2,000.

kitsune:
Unfortunately War is inherently Unethical..... Your sentiments are shared by many who saw their relatives killed in Firestorms from Tokyo to Hamburg. Dresden alone had no military significance. 100,000 civilians were killed in that raid alone....


In 1945, Arthur Harris decided to create a firestorm in the medieval city of Dresden. He considered it a good target as it had not been attacked during the war and was virtually undefended by anti-aircraft guns. The population of the city was now far greater than the normal 650,000 due to the large numbers of refugees fleeing from the advancing Red Army.


One tactic used by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force was the creation of firestorms. This was achieved by dropping incendiary bombs, filled with highly combustible chemicals such as magnesium, phosphorus or petroleum jelly (napalm), in clusters over a specific target. After the area caught fire, the air above the bombed area, become extremely hot and rose rapidly. Cold air then rushed in at ground level from the outside and people were sucked into the fire.

Just look at Stalin's murderous reign with an estimated 12 million of his own people disappearing....

Tane Angle:

And there was almost a successful coup following his orders
I just saw a show on the Hisory Channel on that called 'The last Bombing Raid'....

:|
He219

[He219]

Vance and Cut:

I am quite serious...

http://tms.physics.lsa.umich.edu/214/other/handouts/ChronGer.html
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1127.htm
http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/Bomb.htm

Of course there are always the conspiracy theorists:

http://www.luft46.com/armament/abomb.html


This device was to use a total of 10 layers of semi-refined U-235/238, alternating with Neutron absorbing kerosene. On impact, plungers would crush "Präparat", releasing neutrons, as shear pins broke, allowing the Uranium plates to come together via inertia and make a supercritical mass. The device would then detonate, or at least melt down, causing massive contamination. The target was to be midtown Manhattan. Two prototypes MAY have been built in 1945.


Cunningly the aircraft has entered into American airspace undetected, its smooth shape and special carbon glued wooden structure offering little for the defense radars to see. (Yes, the Ho XVIII was indeed a stealth bomber.) The bomber's crew are tired and tense - pray to God that the bomb hasn't sprung a leak of some sort... if the kerosene were to get out from between those plates....


At the end of the war two of the prototype bomb spheres MAY HAVE been found, south of Stuttgart, also found there was the uranium cauldron that I mentioned earlier. The two prototype bombs were supposedly found submerged in water by forces of the French Army, who supposedly destroyed them, along with the lab they were in, by explosives. The fact that they were being stored under water makes it sound like they may well have been ready for testing, and it would be interesting to know if the supposed site is still contaminated.

But the method of delivey, other than the V2, was even more interesting...

Delivered by the The Horten XVIII B:
Amerika Bomber:
http://www.luft46.com/mmart/horten5.jpg
Of Course the HO IX/Go 229 did exist as a Stealth Fighter Interceptor flown in trials with excellent results before the end of the war and is in pieces at the Smithsonian....
http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/images/hortenix_03.jpg
http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_detail_hoix.htm


OR another delivery vehicle being designed....

The Hypersonic Sänger 'Amerika Bomber':
http://www.volga.ru/~TRAMP/misc/sang2.jpg

http://www.volga.ru/~TRAMP/misc/sang4.jpg
The Surviving Wind Tunnel Model

http://www.volga.ru/~TRAMP/misc/sang6.jpghttp://www.luft46.com/misc/sang3.jpg
The Designer and his proposed 'Skipping' Orbital Path
13724 mph at an altitude of 90 miles....

http://www.volga.ru/~TRAMP/misc/sang/sangerny.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html

Or even the Mach 2 DFS 346:
http://www.48specialmodels.com/48pics/DFS346pic/dfs346-9.jpg

Tested by the Soviets in the late 40's using a seized US Bomber, the 'Ramp Tramp', a B-29-5-BW serial number 42-6256:
http://www.48specialmodels.com/48pics/DFS346pic/dfs346-8.jpg

http://www.48specialmodels.com/48pics/DFS346pic/dfs346-7.jpg
At the helm was captured German pilot Wolfgang Ziese.

Remind you of 'Glamorous Glennis' - yet built and flown years earlier?


You can get me started with all this stuff, but the Germans were many years out from developing an atomic bomb especially using 'Heavy Water' and other tangental theories. Send me your links if you have contradictroy info...

p-)
He219

[Seraphim]

Hey He219, you ever read The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0767906276/104-6204391-3264726?vi=glance

[He219]

UCT_Sinasta, no I have not. How does it relate?
p-)
He219

[Seraphim]

I dunno, rofl
I just thought you might be interested in it. Cause you posted all this stuff about German WW2 technology.

[He219]

UCT_Sinasta:

I dunno,
I just thought you might be interested in it.
rofl Cool, now I'll have to check it out.... :P

Tane Angle:
Stealth was a mere byproduct. Radar technologies were in their infancy at the time. The Gerries also invented laminated wood products, ie plywood, and used it extensively throuought aircraft production to save resources. Wood has inherent strength to weight benefits (Spruce Goose) and exellent radar absobtive properties. The problem is that the TESA-UHU glue factory got bombed and hastily manufactured replacements made the entire lot of He162 Volksjaegers totally useless as they tore apart in high-speed flight.

The low drag and lift ratio of flying wings go without saying. The HoIX/Go229 is one of the most remarkable things that came out of the war. I call it the first Stealth fighter. Check out the link
http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_detail_hoix.htm


p-)
He219

[He219]

Does anybody have any info on North Koreas delivery systems, specifically the Taepodong-2, and how far is Australia from NK anyway? I don't think that NK has the guidance systems to actually hit a city like Brisbane, for example. Just nuclear proliferation blackmail. It would be futile for them to use 'em....

[Ballistic]

What I would like to know is would America come to the table and help us out after we have helped you out ?? If NK did launch nukes toward Australia, Japan and SK would America then launch it's arsenal in retaliation or simply sit by and watch the pretty fireworks ? Bluff or not, when a crazy **** decides to threaten nuclear attack on a country it's people start to get worried.

[Vance]

Well, the Germans WERE going to build on eeventually...:\

[He219]

Ballistic You bet your butt we would careem the North Koreans if they dare attack Australia, Japan or South Korea. They probably only have a handful of nukes and a harder time delivering them - other than terrorist infiltrators. That is the real risk here; deniability. Yes, the US will listen to the little pecker blackmale the world and then we'll either isolate him or sign a non-agression pack. The latter probably wouldn't defuse the situation of nuclear proliferation....

[Trigger]

Hell yeah we'd get in the fight if NK tried to launch on Australia or anyone else for that matter. I think our first action would be to try to intercept/shoot down the missile(s) as soon as a launch was detected. I think I read somewhere a few years ago that they were working on a way for Aegis cruisers to be able to hit ballistic missiles in flight. (Someone else in here please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm sure there are a few of those ships in theater just in case.

[He219]

Vance wrote:

Well, the Germans WERE going to build on eeventually...:\


Well, to this day they never did develop a Nuclear Weapon. I lived in Germany for six years while we were working with Siemens to modernize our older GE designed Nuclear Power Plants with new reactors. Germany never reprocessed any spent materials to manufacture nuclear weapons. It's a big taboo over there......

As for protecting Australia, you are right Trigger, there are plans for a land and ship based 'missile umbrella'. Australia is close to signing on with the Ballistic Missile Defense Shield to protect from threats like China's CSS4 missile and North Korea's developing Taepodong 2. Australia's Prime Minister John Howard just met with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi in Tokyo to discuss Japan's own plans for a missile defense shield and the importance of getting Japan and South Korea involved in multilateral talks to defuse the nuclear crisis. This morning Howard arrived in South Korea and is scheduled to meet President Roh Moo-hyun tomorrow morning for talks on the standoff over North Korea's suspected development of nuclear weapons.

http://news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,270179,00.jpg

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmd-logo.gifhttp://www.smdc.army.mil/KWAJ/RTS/Logo.jpg

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/news99/missile061599.gif
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmd/


I have been able to see the Minuteman-2's launched at Vandenberg Air Force Base being intercepted by Raytheon's "exoatmospheric kill vehicle'', based in the Kwajalein Atoll at Meck Island, from the beach in front of my house. One of the intercepts 144 miles above the Earth resulted in the most amazing light show silhouetted with the setting sun.

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Dec2001/011203-D-4867S-001.gifhttp://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Dec2001/011203-D-4867S-002.gifhttp://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Dec2001/011203-D-4867S-004.gif

For more info:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/bmdo/bmdolink/html/nmdimg.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/02031402.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/DefPrograms/NatMissileDef
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01zzm.html
http://www.williamson-labs.com/kwaja-nike.htm

The benefits of working (http://www.raytheon.com/rse/benefits.html) on Kwajalein...

http://www.williamson-labs.com/images/bmdo.gifhttp://www.williamson-labs.com/images/logo-new-kmr-164.gifhttp://www.williamson-labs.com/images/30sw_newbar.gifhttp://www.williamson-labs.com/images/kmr.gifhttp://www.williamson-labs.com/images/kwaj-wrecks-112.gif

[budanski]

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/missile-minuteman-dusk-trails-desk.jpg

[He219]

Dude, that's it - I saw that last year!!!

[Trigger]

Great pic budanski! I was just going to reply about that light show He219 mentioned. We can see it here in AZ as well when the timing is right. I've seen three or four of them both from the direction of California and New Mexico (White Sands I assume).

[budanski]

NAVY COMPLETES SUCCESSFUL THEATER WIDE MISSILE DEFENSE TEST (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2001/b01262001_bt043-01.html)

This is an old press release but so far they've been successful with 3 successful hits. The last test failed due to the kill vehicle not being able to detach from its booster.

[Kitsune]

@He219:
After WWII Germany was distrusted by its neighbours. To show its peaceful intend Germany signed treaties not to develope Weapons of Mass Destruction of any kind. Since France and Britain have nuclear weapons they and the other european nations can feel safe.

Because of this Germany has no nuclear weapons program although it is a world leader in nuclear reactor construction.

(If you did already know this, I'm sorry ;) )



@All: Question: Does anybody know wether Japan signed similar treaties not to develope WMDs?

[He219]

Budanski, that is a great pic. It was exactly that event I saw and the only 'kill' or successful intercept I can remember resulting with the huge instantaneous vapor-blast in the ionisphere. It didn't stick around long either. I have seen missiles launched from Vandenberg all my life with contrails weaving in the winds highlighted by the setting sun, but that intercept shot says it all... Thanks.

kitsune: The Froggies have more Nuclear Reactors than Germany could ever dream of. All the 'Greens' over there hate the idea. I do believe that Japan has limitations in their constitution and not through treaties. This is also what limits their allocations for national defense. Currently there is talk of making amendments to build their own missile defense shield and perhaps also to build a deterrent array of their own nuclear weapons.

p-)
He219

[He219]

Ehr, the MDA changed the name from NMD to GMD
http://www.raytheon.com/products/ekv/index.html

Check THIS (http://video.boeing.com:8080/ram/events/boeing_ift10_200.ram) video out....

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/gmd/gallery/images/gal_photos/ift9lores/ift9-halo.jpg

[He219]

Another (short) video of the GMD Booster Test (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/gmd/real/bv2_200.ram) from Vandenberg Air Force Base.

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/gmd/gallery/images/gal_photos/ift7lores/ift7-halo1.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/gmd/gallery/images/gal_photos/ift6lores/ift6-intcpt.jpg

[Duke]

Back in 1994, the Clinton Administration authorized the sale of classified missle technology, including guidance systems to Red China. (facilitated by a company who was a major contributor to Clinton's run for the presidency. Congress had hearings on this matter, but amounted to very little.) The same technology found its way to Pakistan. It's now believed that this technology was again sold to the North Koreans.

[Kitsune]

An article about the state of the North Korean nuclear program:

http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/2003/ja03/ja03alvarez.html



p-)

[Nawlins]

Awesome pic, budanski. Kind of eerie that something with such destructive powers can be so... beautiful.

[crazyface]

**** north korea lets kick the **** out of them

[FuzziWuzzi]

strong reasons why Australia may go nuclear
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2718