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n4292936
06-15-2004, 05:28 AM
Elite vet bailed on guns charges
By Ian McPhedran and wires
June 15, 2004

TWO Special Air Service veterans of the Iraq war have been accused of planning to bash a girlfriend and the unwanted baby she carried.

According to West Australian police charges, a 33-year-old corporal and a 29-year-old trooper conspired to beat the woman and bring on an abortion.

Both men are veterans of the Iraq campaign, and the corporal also served in Afghanistan.

The corporal appeared in court today charged with possessing an unlicensed firearm, ammunition and silencer.

The younger man also appeared in court today, charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable offence. Details of the offence were not outlined in court.

Both men were remanded on bail to appear again in Perth magistrates' court on June 29. The corporal's lawyer Mark Andrews told the court the man was an eight-year veteran of the crack unit and had seen active service in Iraq, Afghanistan and East Timor.


The regiment had a strict policy of anonymity of its members and Mr Andrews said if the man was named it would pose him a "very real security risk".

The other related charges allege the woman fell pregnant to the younger soldier and he allegedly conspired with the corporal to bash her and terminate the pregnancy.

Comrades of the corporal described him as "a good young NCO and a solid player".

Operational members of the regiment have always had their identities protected for national and personal security.

The charges were laid at SAS headquarters in Perth last Tuesday on the eve of one of the regiment's proudest days.

On Wednesday the regiment was awarded the first ever Unit Citation for Gallantry by Governor General Major-General Michael Jeffery.

The trooper lives at the regimental barracks at Swanbourne near Perth and the corporal lives with his partner off the base. According to military sources, the charges are not linked to the men's recent war service or intensive training regimes, but purely a domestic matter.

Two former SAS members said the stresses of special forces duty should not be dismissed as a factor in the alleged plot. "You take people to the edge and you have to be prepared for some failures," one said.

All SAS soldiers receive comprehensive debriefings after operations to counter post-traumatic stress disorder and reactions experienced by some war veterans.

Regardless of the legal outcome, the men are almost certainly finished in the regiment.

Whether they survive in the military depends on the verdict. With AAP

SeanAshi
06-15-2004, 05:43 AM
According to West Australian police charges, a 33-year-old corporal and a 29-year-old trooper conspired to beat the woman and bring on an abortion.
They must be protestants

RoBBo
06-15-2004, 06:18 AM
why dont u keep comments like that to yourself...

Ballistic
06-15-2004, 06:57 AM
According to West Australian police charges, a 33-year-old corporal and a 29-year-old trooper conspired to beat the woman and bring on an abortion.
They must be protestants

And what exactly does that have to do with anything ?

Bugalugs
06-15-2004, 09:32 AM
innocent until proven guilty...

OldRecon
06-15-2004, 10:26 AM
Bashing your lady to force her take an abortion?? Losing one's equilibrium definitely have many uggly faces indeed.
This one somewhat reminds me of that case some years ago (1980's?) of a Delta operator husing his break in skills to rape women inside their homes.

Gringo
06-15-2004, 10:46 AM
innocent until proven guilty...

Not available in China.

kommando
06-15-2004, 09:18 PM
two more openings in the SASR?
haha

what wold happen to them
obviously they would be punished under military adn civilian law,
but with the amount of trnaing and knowledge they posses woud they kick them outta the SASR?
hmmm

n4292936
06-15-2004, 10:24 PM
two more openings in the SASR?
haha

what wold happen to them
obviously they would be punished under military adn civilian law,
but with the amount of trnaing and knowledge they posses woud they kick them outta the SASR?
hmmm
Damn right they'd get booted, elite soldiers are supposed to be just that in every respect. These guys are finished in the SAS.
They are being tried under civilian law and will be (if convicted and sentenced to jail time) incarcerated in the civilian penal system.

Vance
06-15-2004, 10:31 PM
This one somewhat reminds me of that case some years ago (1980's?) of a Delta operator husing his break in skills to rape women inside their homes.
Whoa.

Ngati Tumatauenga
06-15-2004, 10:57 PM
Seanashi wrote,

They must be protestants

You must be a ****

kommando
06-16-2004, 01:26 AM
muhahahah
owned by Ngati
Ngato must be my favourite poster
always owning noobs who know nothing

*hides so as to not get owned*

SeanAshi
06-16-2004, 02:40 AM
You must be a ****
Smart ass actually, haven't you ever said anything stupid before?

Michael RVR
06-16-2004, 03:09 AM
If they're aquitted i doubt they'll have to leave the SASR, although if any of the charges is proven its higly unlikely they'll be able to stay.

Their identities were supressed so that in the event of an aquittal they could stay where they are. :|

Bugalugs
06-16-2004, 03:59 AM
If they are convicted, they will be discharged while they are in prison, and never come back

Ngati Tumatauenga
06-16-2004, 04:18 PM
Sean Ashi wrote,

Smart ass actually, haven't you ever said anything stupid before?

Time and place.

This was neither.

California Joe
06-16-2004, 04:20 PM
What do they think they are? NFL players?

2RHPZ
06-30-2004, 01:53 AM
SAS soldier pleads guilty to conspiring to assault woman
June 29, 2004

A Special Air Service veteran of the Iraq war pleaded guilty today to conspiring to assault a woman his lawyer claimed he had never met.

The 32-year-old corporal, whose identity has been suppressed, appeared in Perth's Court of Petty Sessions today on a charge of conspiring to commit an indictable offence.

His co-accused and fellow SAS soldier, who also cannot be identified, did not appear in court today but his bail was continued until September 8, when he will face the District Court for a committal mention.

Outside the court, the 32-year-old corporal's lawyer, Mark Andrews, said his client was very remorseful.

"He regrets his entire involvement in the whole affair," Mr Andrews said.

Mr Andrews said his client was not directly linked to the woman at the centre of the allegations.

"He's never met her," he said.

The guilty plea would put an end to the corporal's "outstanding" eight-year career with the SAS, during which time he served in Iraq, East Timor and Afghanistan.

"He has initiated the process which will eventually lead to his discharge from the army," Mr Andrews said.

No facts were tendered to the court today, and the 32-year-old was bailed to appear in the District Court on August 10, at which time he will be sentenced.

He had previously faced the court on three unrelated firearms offences which were today adjourned to the Perth Court of Petty Sessions on August 17.

Also today, a third man – Jamie Richard Johnston – was charged with the same conspiracy charges as the two SAS soldiers.

He was remanded on bail to appear in the Petty Sessions court on July 20.

n4292936
06-30-2004, 02:08 AM
That's such an incredible self inflicted wound to bear... I don't know what to say about it. Thanks for following up on the story CAG

SFontaine
06-30-2004, 02:11 AM
What scum.

reverence
07-01-2004, 03:53 AM
I hope when in prison they all find out what it's like to be bashed by people who'm they "have never met".
There's a few bad apples in every barrel.

catalyst
07-01-2004, 04:35 AM
hope he bashes them ...shows them wat it is like knowing how 2 defend your country at the elite level.....

Your really think that a SASR guy would be dumb enough 2 stuff up in jail?

catalyst
07-01-2004, 04:35 AM
hope he bashes them ...shows them wat it is like knowing how 2 defend your country at the elite level.....

Your really think that a SASR guy would be dumb enough 2 stuff up in jail?

reverence
07-05-2004, 03:12 AM
I dont care if they recieved the Victoria Cross on operations if any of these guys is found guilty of conspiring to assault a pregnant woman to abort a child and posession of unlicenced firearms and a suppressor they are scum and the fact they were caught shows they aren't rocket scientists. I'm sure the guys in prison wont give a **** either if they've served overseas-woman bashers(especially pregnant ones) rate along with granny stranglers and pedophiles in gaols.

gilgoul
07-05-2004, 03:26 AM
Two things, either those guys really planned to act like MOFO`s, and then jail them, but it has nothing to do with the fact they are vet`s.
Or everyone thought, "oops, it`s been a while we haven`t showed the world how militaries stink" and jumped on a case, insisting every two words that those guys are vets, and making sure that the funny details would be known.
I`m not in a conspiracy theory stuff, but this all affair and it`s coverage stinks.