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Rudolph
11-18-2008, 04:27 AM
'ANC hate speech like Rwanda' (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2427694,00.html)
17/11/2008 09:32 - (SA)

Pretoria - A million Tutsis where killed within three months during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

"They were also described as cockroaches. If the ANC leadership describes us as cockroaches, then we must understand they are saying to members these people must be destroyed," said Mosiuoa Lekota (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=914), chairperson of the Congress of the People (Cope) at the launch of the new party's logo on Saturday.

He said the ANC's description of political opponents as "dogs, poisonous snakes and cockroaches" was hate speak, which reminded one of the sort of statements made before the Rwandan genocide.

Meetings disrupted

At least four meetings of the new party were disrupted last week, two of them in the Free State.

The latest incident happened in Thokoza on the East Rand on Sunday, when supporters wanted to gather in a school hall but were forced to leave for an open field after ANC members stopped them from coming in.
According to Smuts Ngonyama, who recently resigned from the ANC and joined Cope, the governing body of the school wouldn't allow about 200 Cope members to gather in the hall.

Members of the governing body are all ANC supporters.

Cope meetings were also disrupted at Hennenman and Heidedal in Bloemfontein and in Verulam, KwaZulu-Natal.

ANC members in Heidedal apparently blocked the entrance to the property where the meeting would be held and blew car horns in the area to disrupt proceedings.
In Phomolong (Hennenman), ANC members occupied the hall where the meeting was to be held. The meeting was disrupted for hours. Police were called in and the tense situation was finally resolved after Mathabo Leeto, executive mayor of Matjhabeng, arrived to negotiate with the ANC supporters.


Lekota said these activities showed that the ANC's claims that it promoted political tolerance were nonsense.

Disruptions 'a favour'

Meanwhile, ANC leader Jacob Zuma (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=927) told a crowd of 35 000 people in KaMhluswa near Malelane in Mpumalanga, that ANC members should not do Cope the favour of disrupting their meetings. "My view is when we (the ANC) go to their meetings to disrupt them, we increase their popularity."

He said those meetings then made the news, whereas it may normally not have made the news. He emphasised that it was not acceptable for ANC members to disrupt other meetings.

Zuma also said it hurt when the Cope wanted to use names from the ANC's history for their own purposes. Congress of the People referred to a gathering of different movements in 1955, which was organised by the ANC.

Multi-racial party

Mluleki George (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=4748), treasurer of Cope, said during a recent visit to the North West that he had seen even white farmers joining the party. In the Free State 64 000 people joined the new party and in the Eastern Cape, apparently more than 60 000 joined.

"We aim to be the first truly multi-racial party in which all South Africans are involved," he said.

- Beeld

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OT: Anyone know who is gonna replace mr. Bost as US ambassador to SA? He didn't take any sh1t from the ANC.

playtym
11-18-2008, 04:39 AM
Interesting times indeed, Rudolph.


Will the new party be able to attract enough support to win the next election, either outright, or as part of a coalition government, and how will the ANC react to this?

Will we possibly see a situation as we have in Zimbabwe where the ruling party tells/allows their supporters to take whatever they'd been promised, or even possibly a situation like the one in Rwandwa where rivals are eliminated completely, or will they peacefully hand over power?

Bushranger
11-18-2008, 04:40 AM
Good to hear that COPE is finally getting of the ground & hopefully they wil be able to put the ANC in there place. All it needs is Nelson Mandela coming out & backing it.

boet faas
11-18-2008, 09:54 AM
You will more likely see a situation like Rwanda before anything else. The ANC youth league leader is already telling his supporters to start creating havoc to destabilise the new party and in extenson our democracy. That is African politics.

Rudolph
11-18-2008, 09:58 AM
^
Luckily we have colonial methods to deal with it. ;)





j/k

Rictor
11-18-2008, 11:06 AM
What are the chances that COPE will be any less corrupt that the ANC? Will they be willing/able to crack down on crime etc?

I'm hopeful, but still very skeptical.

Rudolph
11-18-2008, 11:30 AM
Only time will tell. At least their timing isn't bad. The ANC doesn't have Zanu-PF type control of the country yet...

playtym
11-18-2008, 01:02 PM
^
Luckily we have colonial methods to deal with it. ;)





j/k

Yup - and so far I've managed to hold on to all of my "traditional weapons." ;)

Rudolph
11-18-2008, 03:14 PM
^
Most people I know have enough weapons for a small army. Plus every second guy has a reloading set in his garage, and the other half are gunsmiths... just saying.

Skutatos
11-18-2008, 03:22 PM
I hope things get better soon but I fear they won't, South Africa seems to be going downhill fast.

I wish all the best to our South African members, hope you are all able to remain safe.

Wildgoose
11-18-2008, 07:33 PM
Hopefully Obama will not be that stupid to intervene in that continental $hitstorm that's coming. Keep 'em well supplied with machetes and AKs and just stay the hell out of there.

Rudolph
11-19-2008, 01:34 AM
I feel as a white South African that me and everyone I know will go through something truly terrible during the next decade. But as long as there are enough people like me who decide that whatever happens, this is home, I'm gonna try my damn best to stay here as long as possible! My forefathers made it through worse.

Tyd om julle sokkies op te trek! Harde tye en werk lê voor!

playtym
11-20-2008, 01:25 AM
Cope like Jesus's donkey - Zuma
19/11/2008 23:02 - (SA)

Carien du Plessis, Beeld
Polokwane - Those who have broken away from the ANC are like the donkey on which, according to the Bible, Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
Jacob Zuma (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=927), leader of the ANC, used this metaphor on Thursday when he addressed hundreds of Cosatu workers in a packed hall in Polokwane as part of his early election campaign in Limpopo.
He said there was a story in the Bible about a "lucky donkey" on whose back Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
"The people were waiting for the Son of Man who was on the donkey. The donkey did not understand it, and thought the songs of praise were for him," he said.
According to Zuma, the donkey later tried to return to Jerusalem on its own in order to once again experience that moment of glory, but the people chased it away.
In the same way the Congress of the People (Cope) leaders will find they are nothing without the ANC, Zuma said.

Snakeskin
He said the ANC should not only fight for a two-thirds majority, but for a "three-thirds majority".
This will enable the ANC to implement its policies more easily, Zuma said.
Zuma also compared Cope's leaders to snakeskin that remained behind after the winter, while the snake - the ANC - sailed away in its new skin.
The old skin may look like the snake, but it isn't the snake, Zuma said.
However, he added that the ANC should allow the dissidents back in should they change their minds and come knocking at the ANC's door again.
Cope claimed it wanted to protect the Constitution when, in fact, they wanted to amend it in order to change the electoral system, Zuma added.

US electoral system
He said Cope were asking for a direct presidential election, as in the US.
Zuma said Cope leaders were airing their problems in the media. They wanted to involve the whole of South Africa in the process and let the people make decisions about the president.
"The American system is different, because it is based on individualism. One man tells the people he is the best leader and we don't know if we can believe him or not."
Zuma said the Americans gave President George W Bush a mandate to govern them, "and you know what happened in the Middle East".
"Our democracy is based on collectivism. We know this person, what this person can do. It's not about an individual who says he thinks he knows himself and can do everything for you."
- Beeldhttp://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2429417,00.html


Hmmmm... lets see, they're practically claiming to be the son of God (is this the second coming?), have admitted to being snakes, and have finally come clean on their aim of having a one party state where they can implement their "polices" unhindered.

Oh, and heaven forbid that the whole of South Africa be involved in the process and decision about who our president should be. I'm sure they'd be far happier if they could decide that for us. :roll: