Do you think Dalai Lama is a real religious figure or a polical figure?

[Shuimo]

Do you think Dalai Lama is a real religious figure or a polical figure?
Please give your reasons to support your opinion.:)

[Shuimo]

Sorry for the typo. It shoud be:
Is Dalai Lama a real religious figure or rather a political figure???

[Yarrick2]

Both, like the pope. infact the pope would be the closest figure to compare him to.

[BearInBunnySuit]

Since you are Chinese, do you know what happened to the man in the picture or who he was?

[LineDoggie]

Both, like the pope. infact the pope would be the closest figure to compare him to.


Indeed, X2 by default he has become both.

[Albatross]

I concur with linedoggie.

[Shuimo]

Since you are Chinese, do you know what happened to the man in the picture or who he was?
Well, I just guess what you mean by that picture, which is too small for us to see quite clearly.
But I think I could get what your point is.
OK, back to the topic. I hope can show us your standpoint on the question of the thread.:)

[Shuimo]

Both, like the pope. infact the pope would be the closest figure to compare him to.


Ｉdon't think you've properly answered the question.
But then why is the Pope both a religious figure and political figure?

[Albatross]

Ｉdon't think you've properly answered the question.
But then why is the Pope both a religious figure and political figure?

That would be because religion plays a major role in whom people support when it comes to a political office.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

The 14th Dalai Lama AKA Tenzin Gyatso, AKA 'Ocean of Wisdom', AKA 'Yeshin Norbu' (The Wish-fulfilling Gem), AKA 'Kundun' (The Presence).

Like many other true heroes, the Dalai Lama has attained his standing because of events beyond his control and with which, in an ideal world, he would rather not have to deal. The Dalai Lama often describes himself as just a simple monk from Tibet, and one can sense his yearning for a simpler, more contemplative life.

"Mahatma Gandhi I admire," he says. "Before India won her independence he was the leading figure, but afterwards he chose to remain outside the government. In the future my personal wish is to relinquish if possible, my political responsibilities, and in some remote pleasant place, practice yoga and meditation and study the teaching of Lord Buddha".


Both, like the pope. infact the pope would be the closest figure to compare him to.

agreed but unlike the Pope, 14th Dalai Lama has also become peace and freedom fighting symbol, thanks to his deeds.

[Shuimo]

agreed but unlike the Pope, 14th Dalai Lama has also become peace and freedom fighting symbol, thanks to his deeds.

I think that is a highly controversial issue considering him as a symbol of peace and freedom.
But then I don't think many people know his deeds in old Tibet when the region was under his rule before he fled to India.

[LineDoggie]

Calling a Spade a Spade, it's Because the Dalai Lama has influence not just among followers, but many World Leaders.

He has been made welcome by many of those world Leaders, and those nations he has visited.


He has frequently met with other faiths religious leaders, and face facts, there is great sympathy for him and the Tibetan peoples around the world.

And last but not least, He scares the bejeebus out of the Chicom Government

[Shuimo]

That would be because religion plays a major role in whom people support when it comes to a political office.
Can you explain that further what role he plays when it comes to a political office.

[Albatross]

I think that is a highly controversial issue considering him as a symbol of peace and freedom.
But then I don't think many people know his deeds in old Tibet when the region was under his rule before he fled to India.

What deeds in "Old Tibet", are you talking about?

Do you want to see the photos of your Army dressing in Buddhist Monk robes before the last riot?

[Albatross]

Can you explain that further what role he plays when it comes to a political office.

Faith plays a role in politics. Fact.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

I think that is a highly controversial issue considering him as a symbol of peace and freedom.

that may be highly controversial opinion in china, mmm´key but in the rest of the world it's the simple fact.
btw he got the Nobel Price for Peace in 89.


But then I don't think many people know his deeds in old Tibet when the region was under his rule before he fled to India.

please tell me.

[Shuimo]

Calling a Spade a Spade, it's Because the Dalai Lama has influence not just among followers, but many World Leaders.

He has been made welcome by many of those world Leaders, and those nations he has visited.


He has frequently met with other faiths religious leaders, and face facts, there is great sympathy for him and the Tibetan peoples around the world.

And last but not least, He scares the bejeebus out of the Chicom Government
Of course no one can deny that Dalai Lama has enjoyed wide influence in the world today. I even think perhaps that he is the best known living figure in the world today, surpassing the fame of even Queen Elizabeth II of Britain.

[Shuimo]

that may be highly controversial opinion in china, mmm´key but in the rest of the world it's the simple fact.
btw he got the Nobel Price for Peace in 89.



please tell me.
Cruel serfdom was enforced in old Tibet, and ordinary Tibet serfs suffered under the tyranny of that system centering around Dalai Lama, who is the symbol of a theocratic society.

[Albatross]

Cruel serfdom was enforced in old Tibet, and ordinary Tibet serfs suffered under the tyranny of that system centering around Dalai Lama, who is the symbol of a theocratic society.

So a man whom is a symbol of peace and friendship throughout the world was persecuting a region? I am afraid that I will have to call you a liar unless you can provide proof of this. Also, the proof should come from an independent agency that is not affiliated with the Chinese government.

[Shuimo]

<<And last but not least, He scares the bejeebus out of the Chicom Government>>
I don't think that is correct remark, not to say polite.
The Chinese Central Government is surely fully aware of the importace of Dalai Lama, but that does not mean that he is scary. Actually, we even hope he could return to China rather than live an exile life.

[Albatross]

I don't think that is correct remark, not to say polite.
The Chinese Central Government is surely fully aware of the importace of Dalai Lama, but that does not mean that he is scary. Actually, we even hope he could return to China rather than live an exile life.

Bingo. How are things over there going for you guys? Any more DNS attacks coming up?

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

Cruel serfdom was enforced in old Tibet, and ordinary Tibet serfs suffered under the tyranny of that system centering around Dalai Lama, who is the symbol of a theocratic society.

RIGHT-O !1!!

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/87/15720070503chinatibetlaoa0.jpg

[LineDoggie]

Cruel serfdom was enforced in old Tibet, and ordinary Tibet serfs suffered under the tyranny of that system centering around Dalai Lama, who is the symbol of a theocratic society.

As opposed to the Sunshine and Lollipops the Chicom government gave them?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V2sKH8yjVsM

Dancing in the streets of Lhasa since then, huh?

[Shuimo]

So a man whom is a symbol of peace and friendship throughout the world was persecuting a region? I am afraid that I will have to call you a liar unless you can provide proof of this. Also, the proof should come from an independent agency that is not affiliated with the Chinese government.
Seeing is believing!
Just pay a visit to Tibet.
You will know everything!

[Albatross]

Seeing is believing!
Just pay a visit to Tibet.
You will know everything!

How would I pay a visit to a time when chicom gov't wasnt screwing all of tibet over. You guys chased all the good people out. Would you care to talk of the Death Buses?

[PUG]

How long on average do ChiComs last around here? This guy is doing pretty well.

[Shuimo]

What deeds in "Old Tibet", are you talking about?

Do you want to see the photos of your Army dressing in Buddhist Monk robes before the last riot?

I don't think so.
I've seen too many of those, which have appeared on the Chinese websites a lot. We know what they actually were!

[Albatross]

How long on average do ChiComs last around here? This guy is doing pretty well.

He is doing fairly well, I will admit. He will only answer certain questions, that he can bend to pro chinese answers.

[Albatross]

I don't think so.
I've seen too many of those, which have appeared on the Chinese websites a lot. We know what they actually were!

really? what were they?

[Shuimo]

How long on average do ChiComs last around here? This guy is doing pretty well.
Pay attention to your manners please!

[Shuimo]

He is doing fairly well, I will admit. He will only answer certain questions, that he can bend to pro chinese answers.
I hope you can speak with reason rather than blinded faith, plz!

[Albatross]

I find something very odd about you Shuimo, please tell me something. you have opened several threads in a few hours, some of which seem politically motivated by Chinese interests. Which is odd, because the Chinese gov't has a unit that has several thousand people in it that has the job of creating a pro-Chinese sentiment on the net. Do you work for that unit?

[seraosha]

Pay attention to your manners please!

Seriously man, you don't think this is the first time this has happened here?
Don't you guys compare notes before hitting the same forums over and over?
Or it is assuming that the average forum member is too dumb to pick it up?

[Chulo]

<<And last but not least, He scares the bejeebus out of the Chicom Government>>
I don't think that is correct remark, not to say polite.
The Chinese Central Government is surely fully aware of the importace of Dalai Lama, but that does not mean that he is scary. Actually, we even hope he could return to China rather than live an exile life.

now why would he want to live in china, when all he wants to do is return to his own country of Tibet

[Shuimo]

How would I pay a visit to a time when chicom gov't wasnt screwing all of tibet over. You guys chased all the good people out. Would you care to talk of the Death Buses?
You are certainly exagerating the ability of my gov't for scrutiny!
All gov'ts do scrutinize, don't they?
If you have enough money, do pay a visit to Tibet.
Seems RMB is appreciating against the dollars.

The Chinese people do love good people, as the Beijing Olypics has shown.

[PUG]

Pay attention to your manners please!

Sorry Mr. China.

[Fade]

I hope you can speak with reason rather than blinded faith, plz!
Quoted for irony.

[LineDoggie]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/flag-1.gif
p-)

[Shuimo]

I find something very odd about you Shuimo, please tell me something. you have opened several threads in a few hours, some of which seem politically motivated by Chinese interests. Which is odd, because the Chinese gov't has a unit that has several thousand people in it that has the job of creating a pro-Chinese sentiment on the net. Do you work for that unit?
Aha, interesting question! I understand what you have in mind.
But I assure you I am definitely not in league with my government. I am just a Chinese civilian college student in Beijing. Believe me!
I think the moderator can check the IP of each poster, right? He or she surely knows where I am. LOL

[LineDoggie]

Sorry Mr. China.

You done it now, we sell your organs to rich brazilian wen you reach camp

[PUG]

The Chinese people do love good people, as the Beijing Olypics has shown.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9321/beijinglipsynchid3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[PUG]

You done it now, we sell your organs to rich brazilian wen you reach camp

I give you mirrion dorra.

[Albatross]

I think the moderator can check the IP of each poster, right? He or she surely knows where I am. LOL

You are in China. Lucky guess.

[Shuimo]

now why would he want to live in china, when all he wants to do is return to his own country of Tibet
Aha, even he himself has once acknowledged that Tibet is part of China.
:)

[dragonlord]

I swear to god, they all read from the same playbook! :cantbeli:

[Shuimo]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/flag-1.gif
p-)
That lion of snow mountian is no stranger to people today.
It is a flag of Tibetans seeking independence of China.
Nothing much!

[Chulo]

Aha, even he himself has once acknowledged that Tibet is part of China.
:)
how about a proper news article about it

[Albatross]

I would say after the persecution of the Tibetan people, its something huge.

[Shuimo]

how about a proper news article about it
What does he ask for from the Chinese Central Government?

[Albatross]

What does he ask for from the Chinese Central Government?

To para-phrase "Get the fvck out of Tibet"

[Chulo]

What does he ask for from the Chinese Central Government?
no .


himself has once acknowledged that Tibet is part of China.
This part

[seraosha]

I wonder how much these bots make?
How much do you make Shuimo?

Think it's nearly as much as the gold farmers make in WoW? The literacy in English is pretty good...hell, much better than my Cantonese or Mandarin.

But it's insulting when a direct question is asked and ignored.
Very poor manners indeed.

[Shuimo]

RIGHT-O !1!!

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/87/15720070503chinatibetlaoa0.jpg
You all believe every word Dalai Lama says?

[Chulo]

You all believe every word Dalai Lama says?
only as much as you believe all that your government says

[Shuimo]

To para-phrase "Get the fvck out of Tibet"
If you speak without reason, I think I will not talk to you.

[ASAT]

Western politicians just need to face the truth!! Tibet has been and always will be a part of China! Stop dreaming those da lie lama supporters:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-Ow3sK5rDSg

[PUG]

Must be great getting paid to go and educate the uneducated masses on all things great about the unknown entity that is China. Especially letting us know of evil 'Tibet' and those so called 'monks' what with ther shaved heads and hooligan tactics. I support thee almighty Shuimo.

[Shuimo]

only as much as you believe all that your government says
If you chose to believe, I have no more to say to you.
Dalai Lama is simply out of touch with Tibet today.
I believe my gov't up to a degree.:)

[Albatross]

If you speak without reason, I think I will not talk to you.

mind your manners. If you quit speaking to me, I will post pictures of hot Chinese chicks.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

If you speak without reason, I think I will not talk to you.

and neither will I speak to you.

http://www.thegiant.org/wiki/images/5/5a/Chinesebuilding.jpg

[Albatross]

If you chose to believe, I have no more to say to you.
Dalai Lama is simply out of touch with Tibet today.
I believe my gov't up to a degree.:)

How do you feel about the genocide in the sudan?

[Chulo]

If you chose to believe, I have no more to say to you.
Dalai Lama is simply out of touch with Tibet today.
I believe my gov't up to a degree.:)
how can you choose what to believe and what is true or not. You cant even get on the real internet - you have to use some Chinese censored version - why? because of the government finds some truths dangerous


you choose to stop talking to anyone that does not think like you. That is ignorance

[seraosha]

Damn, that's all it takes?

[Shuimo]

Must be great getting paid to go and educate the uneducated masses on all things great about the unknown entity that is China. Especially letting us know of evil 'Tibet' and those so called 'monks' what with ther shaved heads and hooligan tactics. I support thee almighty Shuimo.
Just horrified at your U-turn attitudes!
:)

I do hope all you guys can have opportunities to visit Tibet, which is truly a beautiful place with nice people.

[Ordie]

The Dalai Lama describes himself as "just one monk".

[SBL]

Just horrified at your U-turn attitudes!
:)

I do hope all you guys can have opportunities to visit Tibet, which is truly a beautiful place with nice people.
I'd like to make it over there one day. Let me know when they lift the ban on foreign travel.

[Ritual]

Remind me to send some money to the free Tibet foundation. p-)

[Shuimo]

I wonder how much these bots make?
How much do you make Shuimo?

Think it's nearly as much as the gold farmers make in WoW? The literacy in English is pretty good...hell, much better than my Cantonese or Mandarin.

But it's insulting when a direct question is asked and ignored.
Very poor manners indeed.
Sorry, but what is your direct question?

[LineDoggie]

Just horrified at your U-turn attitudes!
:)

I do hope all you guys can have opportunities to visit Tibet, which is truly a beautiful place with nice people.


Especially if one is carrying a Type 56-1.......

[Chulo]

Remind me to send some money to the free Tibet foundation. p-)all the more reason why Chicom has been hitting this site - n i dont mean reading the forums

[Shuimo]

I'd like to make it over there one day. Let me know when they lift the ban on foreign travel.

That is definitely a false message.
There is no such thing as ban on foreign travel in Tibet.
All you need is just a visa for tourists.
I think millions of foreign tourists have been to Tibet.

[Shuimo]

Especially if one is carrying a Type 56-1.......
Sorry, what do you mean by that?

[pocoloco]

To Shuimo: what is your personal take on the status of Dalai Lama?

And what do you think is the outcome of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima vs. Gyancain Norbu issue?

Xiexie!

[SBL]

That is definitely a false message.
There is no such thing as ban on foreign travel in Tibet.
All you need is just a visa for tourists.
I think millions of foreign tourists have been to Tibet.
Just as long as you're not a journalist with plans to cover local unrest.

[Shuimo]

The Dalai Lama describes himself as "just one monk".
But does't action speak louder than words?:)

[Chulo]

hey shuimo what happens when you try to do a search for Falun Gong or Tiananmen Square or free tibet?

[MG 3]

Western puppet!!!

[Ordie]

But does't action speak louder than words?:)

It depends how much value and attention you are willing to give to the person. In this case the Dalai Lama.

[Shuimo]

Just as long as you're not a journalist with plans to cover local unrest.
When the riot broke out this March, there was a British journalist with the Economists there in Lhasa, the captial city of the Tibetan Autonomous Region.:)

[SBL]

When the riot broke out this March, there was a British journalist with the Economists there in Lhasa, the captial city of the Tibetan Autonomous Region.:)
What were his creds, what did he cover, and what happened to him after they kicked foreign journalists out?

[pocoloco]

When the riot broke out this March, there was a British journalist with the Economists there in Lhasa, the captial city of the Tibetan Autonomous Region.:)

So you are blaming British for the riots? :roll: That's not so polite :| p-)

[Shuimo]

hey shuimo what happens when you try to do a search for Falun Gong or Tiananmen Square or free tibet?
OK. If you engage in something is illegal and undermine national security, then you stand a chance of being arrested.
It is just that plain.

[California Joe]

Maybe Shuimo is a hot chick.

[pocoloco]

To Shuimo: what is your personal take on the status of Dalai Lama?

And what do you think is the outcome of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima vs. Gyancain Norbu issue?

Xiexie!

It's not polite not to answer my questions, they are nice and sincere, aren't they?

[Shuimo]

What were his creds, what did he cover, and what happened to him after they kicked foreign journalists out?
If you are that interested in that journalist, you sure could google his profile and stories, though I cannot quite remember his name.
He worked for the Economists.:)

[Herman the II]

That is definitely a false message.
There is no such thing as ban on foreign travel in Tibet.
All you need is just a visa for tourists.
I think millions of foreign tourists have been to Tibet.

Off course there are restrictions on foreign travel, a uncensored google search will tell you within seconds.



How can I get to Lhasa as an Individual Traveller?
This can be a bit tricky sometimes.

If things are calm, then you will be able to buy your bus/plane ticket and go to Lhasa. No problems. If things are not so politically quiet, then they won't sell you the tickets or give you a permit. If, however inspite of this, you still manage to get to Lhasa (by escaping from a group tour or sneaking past the checkpoints) then you will be tollerated in Lhasa once you arrive. I recall people being caught at the checkpoint at Toellung Dechen (10km W of Lhasa) and being sent back to Golmud, whilst myself and a dozen others were staying in Lhasa hotels unhindered by the local police.

Don't try and talk politics to local people if they don't want to.

Tibetans can get 20 years in prison for this. It is a counter revolutionary crime. For example Yulu Dawa Tenzin was jailed for 20 years specifically for talking of independence with a foreign tourist. Even if people do want to talk, this may be due to a misplaced idea that you are a journalist or similar. Be sensitive to this.




When the riot broke out this March, there was a British journalist with the Economists there in Lhasa, the captial city of the Tibetan Autonomous Region.:)

All foreign journalist were expelled from Tibet after the riot broke out.

[Chulo]

OK. If you engage in something is illegal and undermine national security, then you stand a chance of being arrested.
It is just that plain.
humm so looking up "free tibet" or "Tiananmen Square" is illegal or a national security issue?

[SBL]

If you are that interested in that journalist, you sure could google his profile and stories, though I cannot quite remember his name.
He worked for the Economists.:)
You are a wealth of information.

[Shuimo]

It's not polite not to answer my questions, they are nice and sincere, aren't they?
There seem to me so many questions, some genuine while some pseudo, even rude, and trash.
I am kept busy, ah huh. I think I'd better answer you guys's questions on a selective basis.
But I will answer this question of yours,m which is really a good one.

[Albatross]

Dont be a chicken, answer all of them. We know your are a government pawn. Answer them or view hot chicks.

[SBL]

Dont be a chicken, answer all of them. We know your are a government pawn. Answer them or view hot chicks.
Didi mao! *slap*

[Shuimo]

<<what is your personal take on the status of Dalai Lama?

And what do you think is the outcome of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima vs. Gyancain Norbu issue?>>

My personal take of Dalai Lama: I consider him less as a religious figure than a political figure, due to all the activities he is engaged in.
To a certain extent, I even regard him as my fellow countryman, because he is after all a member of the grand Chinese family, which includes 56 nationalities.

For the second question, I have to admit that is a complicated issue.
The outcome is hard to predict. They could co-exist, but both have a difficult time with the masses.
One thing is sure: None of them could ever attain the position the 14th Dalai Lama has had.

[pocoloco]

My personal take of Dalai Lama: I consider him less as a religious figure than a political figure, due to all the activities he is engaged in. To a certain extent, I even regard him as my fellow countryman, because he is after all a member of the grand Chinese family, which includes 56 nationalities.

For the second question, I have to admit that is a complicated issue.
The outcome is hard to predict. They could co-exist, but both have a difficult time with the masses.
One thing is sure: None of them could ever attain the position the 14th Dalai Lama has had.

Thanks for the answers.

So to you he [Dalai Lama] is more of a political figure. Can you see and accept his status as a both religious and political figure to everyday Tibetans? Would you like to see him removed from his office?

[Shuimo]

Off course there are restrictions on foreign travel, a uncensored google search will tell you within seconds.






All foreign journalist were expelled from Tibet after the riot broke out.
For security reasons, they were not allowed in Tibet in speacial times.

[Shuimo]

Thanks for the answers.

So to you he [Dalai Lama] is more of a political figure. Can you see and accept his status as a both religious and political figure to everyday Tibetans? Would you like to see him removed from his office?
What do you mean by his being removed from his office?
Could he be removed from his office?!
Given the deep religiousness of ordinary Tibetans, I surely could understand his status as a religious figure to them.
But on a different level, he is completely a political figure to some Tibetans and the majority of Han Chinese.

[Herman the II]

For security reasons, they were not allowed in Tibet in speacial times.

A minute ago you told me that: "There is no such thing as ban on foreign travel in Tibet" , and all of a sudden there are "security reasons" and "special times"? Its not your fault that China is what it is, but please don't try to foul people...

[Shuimo]

Maybe Shuimo is a hot chick.
Belive it or not, I am a nice and handsome lad of Beijing. :)

[Shuimo]

A minute ago you told me that: "There is no such thing as ban on foreign travel in Tibet" , and all of a sudden there are "security reasons" and "special times"? Its not your fault that China is what it is, but please don't try to foul people...
Were I contradicting myself?
Read carefully my reply plz!
You don't understand the meaning of "special times"?
Stop fouling me, plz!

[LineDoggie]

Dont be a chicken, answer all of them. We know your are a government pawn. Answer them or view hot chicks.

Isnt it Govermint Prawn?p-)

[Shuimo]

Isnt it Govermint Prawn?p-)
I shall have not comment on your one-track mind!LOL

[Hippo]

so now that youre answering questions, can you tell me an exact date in which the PRC had governmental control over Taiwan? I mean a real physical presence there

[Shuimo]

how can you choose what to believe and what is true or not. You cant even get on the real internet - you have to use some Chinese censored version - why? because of the government finds some truths dangerous


you choose to stop talking to anyone that does not think like you. That is ignorance
I choose to believe what Dalai Lama and my gov say critically, unlike some of you blindly believing all that is fed to you by Dala Lama, to the exlcusion of all information from the Chinese side. :-(

[Shuimo]

so now that youre answering questions, can you tell me an exact date in which the PRC had governmental control over Taiwan? I mean a real physical presence there
Aha seems like I am a non-governmental spokesman of my country, I think I even like that feeling of being surrounded by so many curious question masters, albeit some of them ill-intentioned.
For your question, I definitely do not even have the faintest idea!:)

[Hippo]

I hope you are not implying that my question has any ill intentions in it. I am simply curious as to the chinese viewpoint of this issue


so if you do not have the faintest idea, do you believe that Taiwan is a breakaway province from China?

[Chulo]

I choose to believe what Dalai Lama and my gov say critically, unlike some of you blindly believing all that is fed to you by Dala Lama, to the exlcusion of all information from the Chinese side. :-(
how do you know what the government tells you is the truth? you have no way of looking up the information and having a different point of view. That is why i use the censorship example. You live in a box, and think you have freedom but it is only the freedom that the government allows you. You have the internet, but ONLY the internet they want you to see. Who decides what is important or dangerous? why is Tienanmen square dangerous? because it undermines the government.

[Herman the II]

Were I contradicting myself?
Read carefully my reply plz!

You said there are no restrictions whatsoever but in the end it turns out there are "special times" that require restrictions. Quite contradictionary



You don't understand the meaning of "special times"?
Stop fouling me, plz!

I understand "special times" as the occupation and suppression of Tibet.




I choose to believe what Dalai Lama and my gov say critically, unlike some of you blindly believing all that is fed to you by Dala Lama, to the exlcusion of all information from the Chinese side. :-(

How can you know what the Dalai Lama says? Are his speeches public in China or does the Communist Party tell you what the Dalai Lama is saying?
Maybe you can look here: http://www.dalailama.com (or maybe you cant...)

[Shuimo]

I hope you are not implying that my question has any ill intentions in it. I am simply curious as to the chinese viewpoint of this issue


so if you do not have the faintest idea, do you believe that Taiwan is a breakaway province from China?
OK. All that I say here, unless otherwise specified, by no means stands for the viewpoint of the PRC government, but rather that of an individual Chinese citizen.
Certainly I do, so do the majority of my fellow countrymen.
I just think maintaining the status quo is in the best interest of both the mainland and Taiwan.

[Chulo]

How can you know what the Dalai Lama says? Are his speeches public in China or does the Communist Party tell you what the Dalai Lama is saying?
Maybe you can look here: http://www.dalailama.com (or maybe you cant...)
That is true. shuimo can you get on that site and see what he wrote?

[Ordie]

<<what is your personal take on the status of Dalai Lama?

And what do you think is the outcome of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima vs. Gyancain Norbu issue?>>

My personal take of Dalai Lama: I consider him less as a religious figure than a political figure, due to all the activities he is engaged in.
To a certain extent, I even regard him as my fellow countryman, because he is after all a member of the grand Chinese family, which includes 56 nationalities.

For the second question, I have to admit that is a complicated issue.
The outcome is hard to predict. They could co-exist, but both have a difficult time with the masses.
One thing is sure: None of them could ever attain the position the 14th Dalai Lama has had.

Given the fragile circumstances in China, it would be in the best interest of the CCP to reach an accomodation with the Dalai Lama while he's still alive. Because the next generation of Tibetian exiles and leadership may be less compromising.

The uprising in Tibet before the Olympics and subsequent international protest and nationalist counter protest caught the CCP off guard. It was a lesson that high security and economic investments did not address the local Tibetians concerns.

Moreover, the CCP legitimacy to govern is always questioned at home and abroad. Any means to reach a settlement with the Dalai Lama may lead Hu Jintao and the Politburo get a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. I know this may be petty, but a Nobel Peace Prize gives "Face" for China.

[Shuimo]

how do you know what the government tells you is the truth? you have no way of looking up the information and having a different point of view. That is why i use the censorship example. You live in a box, and think you have freedom but it is only the freedom that the government allows you. You have the internet, but ONLY the internet they want you to see. Who decides what is important or dangerous? why is Tienanmen square dangerous? because it undermines the government.
Then you under-estimate the smartness of Chinese youngsters to bypass the Internet cencership and over-estimate the government's censoring prowness. All your need is a few smart software for browsing the Internet. Easy?

[Chulo]

Then you under-estimate the smartness of Chinese youngsters to bypass the Internet cencership and over-estimate the government's censoring prowness. All your need is a few smart software for browsing the Internet. Easy?
The issue is not what you do. is WHY - if youngsters are bypassing the censorship, then that shows that there is somethings that should not be censored and so the question is. WHY is the government censoring

[Shuimo]

Given the fragile circumstances in China, it would be in the best interest of the CCP to reach an accomodation with the Dalai Lama while he's still alive. Because the next generation of Tibetian exiles and leadership may be less compromising.

The uprising in Tibet before the Olympics and subsequent international protest and nationalist counter protest caught the CCP off guard. It was a lesson that high security and economic investments did not address the local Tibetians concerns.

Moreover, the CCP legitimacy to govern is always questioned at home and abroad. Any means to reach a settlement with the Dalai Lama may lead Hu Jintao and the Politburo get a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. I know this may be petty, but a Nobel Peace Prize gives "Face" for China.
You have something there.
Yes, the Tibetan issue is way more complicated than many people think they know.
Now a railway has linked Tibet with the hintland provinces of China, bringing closer exchanges between Tibetans and Hans. All this take time.
The legitmacy of CPC is a whole different issue.

[LineDoggie]

I shall have not comment on your one-track mind!LOL

I just impiriarist running dog rackey..... I go now

[Shuimo]

The issue is not what you do. is WHY - if youngsters are bypassing the censorship, then that shows that there is somethings that should not be censored and so the question is. WHY is the government censoring

Let me give you a clear-cut answer.
That is because China is a country with vast complexities.
Uncensored information undermines the stability of Chinese society, given China is still a fragile country, not the least economcally.

[Chulo]

Let me give you a clear-cut answer.
That is because China is a country with vast complexities.
Uncensored information undermines the stability of Chinese society, given China is still a fragile country, not the least economcally.
China is no different from any other nation. All nations are vast and complex. you try association the complex nature of the american cultural influx or European one. China is not fragile, it is the government that is. Their hold and reason for power if fragile, and so wanting to be in power they will censor anything they find threatening. Censorship in china is about protecting the government, not the people.

if you ask about the dalai lama and want to know his position but cant log onto http://www.dalailama.com (http://www.dalailama.com/) or some sites that give another viewpoint (other than the one from the government), then how can you have a discussion?

[Shuimo]

China is no different from any other nation. All nations are vast and complex. you try association the complex nature of the american cultural influx or European one. China is not fragile, it is the government that is. Their hold and reason for power if fragile, and so wanting to be in power they will censor anything they find threatening. Censorship in china is about protecting the government, not the people.

if you ask about the dalai lama and want to know his position but cant log onto http://www.dalailama.com (http://www.dalailama.com/) or some sites that give another viewpoint (other than the one from the government), then how can you have a discussion?
Sorry, I now must be off-line. I will be back tommorow and carry on with our discussion and debate if you will.

[Eventine]

China is no different from any other nation. All nations are vast and complex. you try association the complex nature of the american cultural influx or European one. China is not fragile, it is the government that is. Their hold and reason for power if fragile, and so wanting to be in power they will censor anything they find threatening. Censorship in china is about protecting the government, not the people.

I beg to differ.

China is an empire trying to become a nation. It is not a "normal" nation like the US. I won't argue whether the CCP is beneficial or detrimental to China's stability, but believing that China is just like any other country is a misunderstanding.

China is what Europe might have looked like if the Roman Empire never collapsed but repeatedly renewed itself throughout history.

[ASAT]

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/5fbe444f6a3773523d24348b5ded0c04.jpeg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/2.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/c52b6615506c3b2965f5e497291c2934.jpeg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/3.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/843631fe56a08766adb1aadff38c6767.jpg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/4.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/106e3833bcb5191c4e29c5996597fae0.jpg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/5.html#t)

http://i1.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-07-14/U2181P1T1D15927749F21DT20080714095307.jpg

[SBL]

Sorry, I now must be off-line. I will be back tommorow and carry on with our discussion and debate if you will.
Good luck with your interrogation/debriefing.p-)

[Albatross]

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/5fbe444f6a3773523d24348b5ded0c04.jpeg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/2.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/c52b6615506c3b2965f5e497291c2934.jpeg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/3.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/843631fe56a08766adb1aadff38c6767.jpg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/4.html#t)

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/106e3833bcb5191c4e29c5996597fae0.jpg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/5.html#t)

http://i1.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-07-14/U2181P1T1D15927749F21DT20080714095307.jpg

wtf????????????

[SBL]

wtf????????????
Photoshop?
Those signs smack of Engrish.

[Chulo]

http://image1.daqi.com/pic_search/original/33644/106e3833bcb5191c4e29c5996597fae0.jpg (http://junshi.daqi.com/editor/slide/ent_slide/1968378/5.html#t)



first of all you just prove our point. If we disagree with our government, we can disagree. I dont think you would see that happening in china. How many Pro-tibet rallies have you seen in china?

2nd, those pictures look very weak and most probably not real

[LineDoggie]

Photoshop?
Those signs smack of Engrish.

Nah, they would say Stop Rying then:)

[SBL]

Nah, they would say Stop Rying then:)
rofl

Dari Rama: Give Leligous Fleedom

[LineDoggie]

Photoshop?
Those signs smack of Engrish.
ASAT is a Fellow Traveler Comrades (going by it's history).

[BearInBunnySuit]

rofl

Dari Rama: Give Leligous Fleedom

The importance of differentiating between R and L is overrated anyways. (lolls eyes)

[Chulo]

The importance of differentiating between R and L is overrated anyways. (lolls eyes)how much asian do you have in you any way?

[SBL]

how much asian do you have in you any way?
I foresee double entendre in the near future.

[LaoSexMachine]

Why is China afraid of an old monk?

[LaoSexMachine]

.............................

Dorje Shugden followers I bet.

[TheMiddlePath]

Since you are Chinese, do you know what happened to the man in the picture or who he was?
This "What happen to the man" is so stupid.

From the picture and video, it is very clear. The Tank stop and did not run over the man. This showed the PLA soldiers acted with restrint.

[Chulo]

This "What happen to the man" is so stupid.

From the picture and video, it is very clear. The Tank stop and did not run over the man. This showed the PLA soldiers acted with restrint.
yea, but what did the government do to him after that?

[LaoSexMachine]

This "What happen to the man" is so stupid.

From the picture and video, it is very clear. The Tank stop and did not run over the man. This showed the PLA soldiers acted with restrint.

Afterwards. That's what they are getting at.

[LineDoggie]

This "What happen to the man" is so stupid.

From the picture and video, it is very clear. The Tank stop and did not run over the man. This showed the PLA soldiers acted with restrint.

What ditch was he buried in later, once the cameras were gone?


I mean realistically after PLA Soldiers had no problem massacring Students. Your Chinese Red Cross says 2,000+ Killed, your Government claims at least 241 Killed.

[SBL]

What ditch was he buried in later, once the cameras were gone?


I mean realistically after PLA Soldiers had no problem massacring Students. Your Chinese Red Cross says 2,000+ Killed, your Government claims at least 241 Killed.
Yeah, I've seen pictures of what actually went on there. It's not pretty.

[ren0312]

Afterwards. That's what they are getting at.

According to either Li Peng or Jiang Zemin that person is still alive.

[ren0312]

Given the fragile circumstances in China, it would be in the best interest of the CCP to reach an accomodation with the Dalai Lama while he's still alive. Because the next generation of Tibetian exiles and leadership may be less compromising.

The uprising in Tibet before the Olympics and subsequent international protest and nationalist counter protest caught the CCP off guard. It was a lesson that high security and economic investments did not address the local Tibetians concerns.

Moreover, the CCP legitimacy to govern is always questioned at home and abroad. Any means to reach a settlement with the Dalai Lama may lead Hu Jintao and the Politburo get a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. I know this may be petty, but a Nobel Peace Prize gives "Face" for China.

Try reading the novel Dragonstrike. Unless the US is willing to risk making its top 20 metro areas glow in the dark there really is not much they can do about Tibet.

[dragonlord]

This "What happen to the man" is so stupid.

From the picture and video, it is very clear. The Tank stop and did not run over the man. This showed the PLA soldiers acted with restrint.

See!!! Same carbon copy answer!!! I've seen this reply used so many times, over so many years, in so many different forums.

It's like...like...I'm just totally convinced that there's this huge think-tank that comes up with a standard answer and retort for every criticism and/or potentially compromising question.

[LineDoggie]

Try reading the novel Dragonstrike. Unless the US is willing to risk making its top 20 metro areas glow in the dark there really is not much they can do about Tibet.

So accept it or China Nukes the USA? we're not allowed to comment?

[ren0312]

See!!! Same carbon copy answer!!! I've seen this reply used so many times, over so many years, in so many different forums.

It's like...like...I'm just totally convinced that there's this huge think-tank that comes up with a standard answer and retort for every criticism and/or potentially compromising question.

Did you even bother to check his location, it says Malaysia.

[LineDoggie]

Did you even bother to check his location, it says Malaysia.

AND?

What Chinese cant be in Malaysia? Have you checked his posts?

[ren0312]

So accept it or China Nukes the USA? we're not allowed to comment?

No I am saying that in the long run there is nothing you could do about the Tibet situation outside of purely diplomatic efforts. Economic sanctions like a Cuba style embargo would likely hurt the American economy as much as the Chinese economy because of the economic potential of the Chinese market, all of the blustering and empty threats in the world will not change that reality.

[ren0312]

AND?

What Chinese cant be in Malaysia? Have you checked his posts?

He was insunuating that Middle Path was a Chinese government propaganda mole operating from some secret government propaganda ministry, to which I countered that he is from Malaysia, which makes it not likely.

[Ordie]

Try reading the novel Dragonstrike. Unless the US is willing to risk making its top 20 metro areas glow in the dark there really is not much they can do about Tibet.

Sorry, I don't read fiction. (except smut)

[Ordie]

No I am saying that in the long run there is nothing you could do about the Tibet situation outside of purely diplomatic efforts. Economic sanctions like a Cuba style embargo would likely hurt the American economy as much as the Chinese economy because of the economic potential of the Chinese market, all of the blustering and empty threats in the world will not change that reality.

Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck
-Dalai Lama

[Hawaii_Light]

So religious control and serfdom with all the wealth being controlled by the religious order was then changed to communism and the loss of freedom but the disbanding of slavery and the introduction of the loosest form of equality and education (no matter how biased and controlled) plus jobs and a health system

both ways the country was ****ed no matter if it was controlled by the Dali Lama or by the Chinese, the only debate there should be is over sovereignty, because if you believe the Dali Lama's government was all flowers and world peace then you live in a fairy tale.

[ASAT]

Photoshop?
Those signs smack of Engrish.

Dalai Lama, Stop Lying

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/3CvKLJmd_U8&feature=related

[TheMiddlePath]

See!!! Same carbon copy answer!!! I've seen this reply used so many times, over so many years, in so many different forums.

It's like...like...I'm just totally convinced that there's this huge think-tank that comes up with a standard answer and retort for every criticism and/or potentially compromising question.
If you watched the video...That is exactly what happenned. The Tank tried to go around him TWICE. Each time when he block the Tank, the Tank stop. Then the Soldeir came out and tried to talk to him. In the end some passer by persuade him to leave.

Gosh ....

[Eventine]

There are two sides to every story, but there is no smoke without fire. I hate to speak in proverbs, but those two are very relevant.

There wouldn't be such strong opposition to PRC rule if there wasn't something very wrong with it.

[Ordie]

Dalai Lama, Stop Lying

The more you demonizing the Dalai Lama, the more China will be viewed as a "Bully".

[Daft Ego]

wtf????????????

What? Can't handle the truth?

[Daft Ego]

Photoshop?
Those signs smack of Engrish.


first of all you just prove our point. If we disagree with our government, we can disagree. I dont think you would see that happening in china. How many Pro-tibet rallies have you seen in china?

2nd, those pictures look very weak and most probably not real


Nah, they would say Stop Rying then:)


rofl

Dari Rama: Give Leligous Fleedom

Wow, you guys are a bunch of tools. :roll:

The maturity level of this forum never seizes to amuse me.

[LineDoggie]

Wow, you guys are a bunch of tools. :roll:

The maturity level of this forum never seizes to amuse me.

Gee, another Christmas Card we wont be getting :roll: does the hand wringing hurt much?

[Calanen]

Wow, you guys are a bunch of tools. :roll:

The maturity level of this forum never seizes to amuse me.

Is that like an epileptic type seizure or some other kind?

http://www.youtube.com/v/4HsxSHTioYw


Good video about how a Tibetan is tortured by the Chinese in prison, and how trials were a joke.

[ASAT]

Is that like an epileptic type seizure or some other kind?
Good video about how a Tibetan is tortured by the Chinese in prison, and how trials were a joke.
I guess he is talking about the "torture" in Guantanamo prison roflroflrofl

[Calanen]

I guess he is talking about the "torture" in Guantanamo prison roflroflrofl

I dont think that is run by the Chinese. Not yet anyway.

There's also another difference. We put the people we think are terrorists in Gitmo.

You put your own citizens in there. We tend also not to torture people by breaking their shoulders.

[Shuimo]

Too many accusations going on here.
There is little ground on which to start with our debate:oops:.

[Shuimo]

All I can say is this: The Tibet issue is much more complicated than most of us think.

[Ordie]

Too many accusations going on here.
There is little ground on which to start with our debate:oops:.

Pengyou,

We've been debating all this time.

[chino65]

If China gives up Tibet tomorrow foreigners will find something else to hate China for. :cantbeli:

[boet faas]

None of the above just a lucky bastard that escaped opression and who lives in the lap of luxuary for his trouble.

[Ordie]

If China gives up Tibet tomorrow foreigners will find something else to hate China for. :cantbeli:

No

It would mean the overthrow of the CCP and an open window for Taiwan to erase "China" from its title. It would be messy.

The Dalai Lama has said he's willing to accept Tibet being a part of China.

[Ghorkhali]

Tibet should get religious freedom and cultural rights atleast .... as Free Tibet without US support is nightmare !

[Shuimo]

Pengyou,

We've been debating all this time.
Nice, you know Chinese or just a word or two?:)

[seraosha]

Nice, you know Chinese or just a word or two?:)

Enough to bait ChiBots, anyway.
I'd respond with a "Yuck fu" but I deem that as inappropriate.
73 posts in 3 days, quite an effort.
Do you get paid by the post, or by the amount of words used in your posts?

[Shuimo]

Enough to bait ChiBots, anyway.
I'd respond with a "Yuck fu" but I deem that as inappropriate.
73 posts in 3 days, quite an effort.
Do you get paid by the post, or by the amount of words used in your posts?
LOL
You can make whatever guesses about others.
It really matters little.

[intelligenzija]

So a man whom is a symbol of peace and friendship throughout the world was persecuting a region? I am afraid that I will have to call you a liar unless you can provide proof of this. Also, the proof should come from an independent agency that is not affiliated with the Chinese government.

try to google Tom Grunfeld from Empire State College , State University New York - he is American!

[Chulo]

Wow, you guys are a bunch of tools. :roll:

The maturity level of this forum never seizes to amuse me.
so what what im saying does not make sense or reach your level of maturity?


first of all you just prove our point. If we disagree with our government, we can disagree. I dont think you would see that happening in china. How many Pro-tibet rallies have you seen in china?
Tell me were i am wrong

[dragonlord]

He was insunuating that Middle Path was a Chinese government propaganda mole operating from some secret government propaganda ministry, to which I countered that he is from Malaysia, which makes it not likely.

Field agent, dawg. Recruited by Minitrue and schooled in its doctrine.

I'm friggin' on to y'all! *points accusingly*

[SBL]

Wow, you guys are a bunch of tools. :roll:

The maturity level of this forum never seizes to amuse me.
It never seizes to amuse you?

Prease accept my aporogy.

[LineDoggie]

so what what im saying does not make sense or reach your level of maturity?


Tell me were i am wrong


Watchout he is mr 5n1p3r, Maybe OMFG D3LT^ all same, same mebbe

[Calanen]

http://www.youtube.com/v/Vuqa9VkwdCg

SKY News on Executions in China, and booming organ donations trade. A little bit dated, but a great piece of journalism. The bus is called the 'Death Car', where people are executed in the bus and have their organs removed.

[LineDoggie]

Late Model Kidney, one owner only used on Sundays

[duome]

I don't think the Dalai Lama's intention was ever to become a political figure this has just happened over time especially with what happens over in those coutries, he tries to be the peacekeeper. :)

[PUG]

SKY News on Executions in China, and booming organ donations trade. A little bit dated, but a great piece of journalism. The bus is called the 'Death Car', where people are executed in the bus and have their organs removed.

What an absolute outrage.

[BearInBunnySuit]

According to either Li Peng or Jiang Zemin that person is still alive.

Do you believe that?

[Chulo]

Did you even bother to check his location, it says Malaysia.
yes.. and i am from the past- i can really time travel

[Calanen]

yes.. and i am from the past- i can really time travel

I live in the future. Only one day, but its kind of neat.

[Daft Ego]

Seizes, ceases. Nitpicking never gets old.

It would seem to me that a lot of you are following the ideology of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". I was a pro-Tibet supporter once, until I realized that there was much more behind what's being presented by most media outlets. If you consider yourself to be open minded then look into it. Otherwise I shall go no further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnbHlg4rz0&feature=related

[SBL]

Seizes, ceases. Nitpicking never gets old.
I wholeheartedly agree.

[Chulo]

Seizes, ceases. Nitpicking never gets old.

It would seem to me that a lot of you are following the ideology of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". I was a pro-Tibet supporter once, until I realized that there was much more behind what's being presented by most media outlets. If you consider yourself to be open minded then look into it. Otherwise I shall go no further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnbHlg4rz0&feature=related
still waiting on you to tell me about my immature post

[LineDoggie]

Seizes, ceases. Nitpicking never gets old.

It would seem to me that a lot of you are following the ideology of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". I was a pro-Tibet supporter once, until I realized that there was much more behind what's being presented by most media outlets. If you consider yourself to be open minded then look into it. Otherwise I shall go no further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnbHlg4rz0&feature=related

Penn & Teller is where you get your information???? roflroflroflrofl

Why not quote Secret Squirrel and Morrocco Mole for Information :roll:

[Daft Ego]

It's not where I get my information per se, but it is a good eye opener that introduces a perspective at things. Penn and Teller is only as reliable as all the other media outlets, as they all have their own bias towards things. That's why you should take everything with a grain of salt. Who's to say that our news outlets aren't filled with propaganda just because they're not owned by the CCP? The truth this, you shouldn't immediately disregard or mock other sources of information just because they don't fit into your worldview. Think critically, and think for yourself, and above all, question everything.

Also, let me tell you this, most people who are currently free-Tibet bandwagon jumpers probably wouldn't even give a rat's ass about Tibet if it were to become independent. To most of you, it'll just become another insignificant 3rd world country amongst the many that already exists today. The only reason it holds any significance today is because, like I said, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

And also, may I remind you that most of us live on what was once the land of the Natives. Their land was invaded, and their race was assimilated. Yet we all seem happy and complacent about where we are. But that's another discussion.

[LineDoggie]

Well if you feel so strongly about the natives land, I take it your moving off the continent to a Houseboat in the middle of the Atlantic?

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Dalai Lama is both, just like most other religious figures.
Edit: I passionately hate Penn & Teller.

[BloodyTalon]

And also, may I remind you that most of us live on what was once the land of the Natives. Their land was invaded, and their race was assimilated. Yet we all seem happy and complacent about where we are. But that's another discussion.
Ah yes, the classic "you guys did the same thing hundreds of years ago which means its okay if we do it today!" argument. Seriously, you guys really need to come up with better arguments or at the very least ones that haven't been tossed out ad nauseum by every "Tibet is part of China!" idiot that's visited this forum.

[matthew.manhorn]

Dalai Lama is also called the "Living Buddha", one of the few remaining idolatries of the 21st century. If I have the money I'd hire him for a Chinese **** film and humiliate the Tibetans.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Dalai Lama is also called the "Living Buddha", one of the few remaining idolatries of the 21st century. If I have the money I'd hire him for a Chinese **** film and humiliate the Tibetans.

...and the point of your post is?
Also hypothetically, if he is in a Chinese **** film it would be likely that he'd be screwing a Chinese girl
that's not exactly a humiliation for Tibetans, is it?

[ASAT]

World News Briefs; Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A.

The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.
The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.
The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950.
The decade-long covert program to support the Tibetan independence movement was part of the C.I.A.'s worldwide effort to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD61538F931A35753C1A96E958260

[matthew.manhorn]

;3705548']...and the point of your post is?
Also hypothetically, if he is in a Chinese **** film it would be likely that he'd be screwing a Chinese girl
that's not exactly a humiliation for Tibetans, is it?

i was sarcastic since the tibetans still worship him blindly as a god in such a secular world today.

well i'd say a gay **** film would be better....

[LaoSexMachine]

Dalai Lama is also called the "Living Buddha", one of the few remaining idolatries of the 21st century. If I have the money I'd hire him for a Chinese **** film and humiliate the Tibetans.

Might want to look at your own Chinese cultures and beliefs.

[matthew.manhorn]

Might want to look at your own Chinese cultures and beliefs.

Dalai Lama and his believers are no different from the FLG cult.

[LaoSexMachine]

Dalai Lama and his believers are no different from the FLG cult.


Or any Chinese belief system.

[Chulo]

Dalai Lama and his believers are no different from the FLG cult.
quite while you are ahead... your ignorance is showing

[Daft Ego]

Well if you feel so strongly about the natives land, I take it your moving off the continent to a Houseboat in the middle of the Atlantic?

For someone like you who has so much compassion towards the Tibetans and how the way they're treated, one would expect in the least that you'd likewise feel compassionate towards the Natives as well, you know, after all the hardships they've endured through the centuries.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the epitome of hypocrisy.


Ah yes, the classic "you guys did the same thing hundreds of years ago which means its okay if we do it today!" argument. Seriously, you guys really need to come up with better arguments or at the very least ones that haven't been tossed out ad nauseum by every "Tibet is part of China!" idiot that's visited this forum.

How does that have to do with anything? What's wrong is wrong, and hypocrisy is still hypocrisy. Don't preach what you can't practice. That's all I'm trying to point out. Nothing more, and nothing less, simple as that.

And as for Tibet? There's really nothing anyone can do to change its ownership. Now maybe if Tibet had some *cough* oil, then maybe the US will intervene. But as far as the situation stands now, I'd bet on my money that hoping for an independent Tibet is nothing more than a hopeless cause. I really don't see how a couple of protests here and there will shake the CCP in giving up Tibet. One can ridicule and demonize China all day long, and it won't change a thing in the end. End of story.

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World News Briefs; Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A.

The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.
The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.
The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950.
The decade-long covert program to support the Tibetan independence movement was part of the C.I.A.'s worldwide effort to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD61538F931A35753C1A96E958260

^Brought to you by the Peoples Politburo spokesperson. 1998, so timely :roll: in a related Story:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2000/10/26/stories/10261045.htm

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i was sarcastic since the tibetans still worship him blindly as a god in such a secular world today.

I'm from Himachal Pradesh buddy, home of the Dalai Lama
and whenever I visit the monks and Tibetans have views that do oppose the Dalai Lama.
Tibetans that are/were in the SFF complain that Tibetans should be more aggresive.
Tibetans who are farmers/merchants simply say milk China and the Chinamen for any assistance they can give and not poke the giant on the eastern side of the mountain.

You're mistaking worship for reverence.

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Ah yes, the classic "you guys did the same thing hundreds of years ago which means its okay if we do it today!" argument. Seriously, you guys really need to come up with better arguments or at the very least ones that haven't been tossed out ad nauseum by every "Tibet is part of China!" idiot that's visited this forum.
Looks like all those governments mentioned below are not idiots only because they do not visit this forum. woot
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/newsroom/la...ssS&id=8299838


Our ability to get our points across has sometimes been clouded by the position the UK took at the start of the 20th century on the status of Tibet, a position based on the geo-politics of the time. Our recognition of China's "special position" in Tibet developed from the outdated concept of suzerainty. Some have used this to cast doubt on the aims we are pursuing and to claim that we are denying Chinese sovereignty over a large part of its own territory. We have made clear to the Chinese Government, and publicly, that we do not support Tibetan independence. Like every other EU member state, and the United States, we regard Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China.

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^Brought to you by the Peoples Politburo spokesperson. 1998, so timely :roll: in a related Story:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2000/10/26/stories/10261045.htm

The date in your own link: Thursday, October 26, 2000

No way! A whole two years after 1998!! Not very timely in its own merit is it? But hey, thanks for proving my point that you're nothing but a hypocrite. Appreciate it.

You know what you're doing? You are nitpicking on the information that already fits in your perspective. You're nothing but a sheep like the very ones you're trying criticize. Pathetic.