View Full Version : Who should President Bush pardon in your opinion?
Afro-European
11-18-2008, 02:48 PM
According to ABC News,a record number of felons are seeking presidential pardons or commutations as President George W. Bush enters the final months of his term, creating one of the largest backlogs in clemency applications in recent history.
Who should he pardon in your opinion?
pascalywood
11-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Charles Manson
Chulo
11-18-2008, 03:01 PM
Is President George W. Bush likely to issue many pardons during his term? No. For one thing, his father issued very few (77) when he was in office. For another, during his prior term as Governor of Texas, George W. issued fewer pardons than any Texas Governor since the 1940s (16 up to January 2000, as opposed to 70 for his immediate predecessor Ann Richards, 822 for 2-term governor Bill Clements, and 1048 for John Connally, Texas governor from 1963-69).
In a January 2000 interview with reporter Jay Root of the Austin Star-Telegram, Governor Bush explained that his low number of pardons "comes not from political calculation but from pardoning Steven Raney in 1995 for a 1988 marijuana conviction. A few months after being absolved of his crime, the unpaid Ellis County constable was caught stealing cocaine from a drug bust. 'That caused a complete review of the process,' Bush said. 'I have nothing against pardoning. I just haven't been very aggressive on it. There's no philosophical reason. It's just that it kind of slowed us down initially. I said, `Whoa!' because it was a pretty rough story." If anything, the Clinton pardon controversy will make President Bush even more cautious.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons0a.htm
LineDoggie
11-18-2008, 03:40 PM
No one 1234567890
WhiskeyTango
11-18-2008, 03:51 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
Chulo
11-18-2008, 03:55 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
right on.. talk about a miscarriage of justice
Mordecai
11-18-2008, 03:58 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
Concur 100%...
Miscarriage indeed.
Rokovak
11-18-2008, 04:02 PM
No oneF*** that, one would have to be one hell of a fool to believe that all convictions are legitimate.
The Innocence Project (http://www.innocenceproject.org/)
LineDoggie
11-18-2008, 04:30 PM
F*** that, one would have to be one hell of a fool to believe that all convictions are legitimate.
The Innocence Project (http://www.innocenceproject.org/)
I dont give a ratz ass, he asked My Opinion, I gave it. If you dont like that, Sin Loi.
Policía Loco
11-18-2008, 04:40 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
Absolutely
Bootneck
11-18-2008, 04:42 PM
Concur 100%...
Miscarriage indeed.
Those two should be on the top of the list. I'm sadly not holding out much hope for it though.
Carib
11-18-2008, 04:42 PM
Absolutely
x2>>>>>>>>>>>>
Afro-European
11-18-2008, 05:43 PM
He'll probably Donald Rumsfeld and vice-president **** Cheney "just incase."p-)
How many non-political, non-famous people get pardons?
LineDoggie
11-18-2008, 06:28 PM
He'll probably Donald Rumsfeld and vice-president **** Cheney "just incase."p-)
How many non-political, non-famous people get pardons?
You mean like a Roger Clinton?
budgie
11-18-2008, 06:41 PM
Should pardon himself for that stupid Carrier stunt...
Cedan
11-18-2008, 06:42 PM
Nelson Mandela
Should pardon himself for that stupid Carrier stunt...
Let it go man.
I agree with the border agents.
budgie
11-18-2008, 07:18 PM
Let it go man.
I try but I just keep getting flashbacks
Calanen
11-18-2008, 07:21 PM
Snoop Dogg. For shizzle my nizzle.
Erik2a4
11-18-2008, 07:25 PM
Bob Marley. He shot the Sheriff. He did not shoot the deputy.
Wildgoose
11-18-2008, 07:27 PM
Shoeless Joe Jackson
Merfeller
11-18-2008, 07:27 PM
Col. John "Hannibal" Smith
Capt. H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock
Sgt. Bosco "B.A." Baracus
Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck
Framed, all of them.
budgie
11-18-2008, 07:38 PM
Col. John "Hannibal" Smith
Capt. H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock
Sgt. Bosco "B.A." Baracus
Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck
Framed, all of them.
"For a crime they didn't commit".
Macs.
11-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Osama Bin Laden.
Chulo
11-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Col. John "Hannibal" Smith
Capt. H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock
Sgt. Bosco "B.A." Baracus
Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck
Framed, all of them.
"For a crime they didn't commit".
but they promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los angeles underground so good luck finding them.
unless you have a problem, no one else can help and you can find them, them maybe we can hire ....
RECON DOC
11-18-2008, 07:45 PM
Osama Bin Laden.
Sure why not? He doesn't exist anyway.
Andrew Chalmers
11-18-2008, 07:48 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
Miscarriage of justice my ass.
They shot at an unarmed illegal alien drug smuggler who did not pose a threat and was fleeing. Then proceeded to cover the incident up.
Heroes? No. Bad CBP agents who violated internal procedure. The two had their appeal - and lost.
Chulo
11-18-2008, 07:56 PM
Miscarriage of justice my ass.
They shot at an unarmed illegal alien drug smuggler who did not pose a threat and was fleeing. Then proceeded to cover the incident up.
Heroes? No. Bad CBP agents who violated internal procedure. The two had their appeal - and lost.
how do you know he did not pose a threat?
and how much experience have you had in law enforcement?
Winger
11-18-2008, 08:18 PM
US Border Patrol Agents
Jose Compean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Compean)
Ignacio Ramos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos)
http://agentramos.blogspot.com/ (http://agentramos.blogspot.com/)
If Clinton's boy Rich who had escaped to Switzerland can get a pardon then they these guys definitely should.
Andrew Chalmers
11-18-2008, 09:12 PM
how do you know he did not pose a threat?
and how much experience have you had in law enforcement?
I'm not a CBP agent if that is what you're asking. But if any police officer in the United States shoots a fleeing suspect who is unarmed and has no known prior history of extremely dangerous behavior (already killed several persons, police officer, etc) - they're going to be suspended if not face criminal charges.
Covering it up after the act? Just shows they had knowledge of the guilt.
If they had just reported the matter - it wouldn't have been a criminal affair. They might have been suspended or lost their jobs - but they wouldn't have been criminals.
Fargin
11-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Saddam Hussein and OJ.
gaijinsamurai
11-18-2008, 10:21 PM
I don't recall her name, but there is a female ex-cop who is serving time in the midwest (Illinois?) for an incident that happened when she was a police officer, with a k-9. She was approaching two illegal immigrants who were suspected of burglary, when the dog got loose and attacked one of the suspects. She was convicted of Assault, fired, and sentenced to a prison term.
Afro-European
11-19-2008, 05:19 AM
You mean like a Roger Clinton?Exactly.People like him.
BugHunt
11-19-2008, 05:43 AM
I don't recall her name, but there is a female ex-cop who is serving time in the midwest (Illinois?) for an incident that happened when she was a police officer, with a k-9. She was approaching two illegal immigrants who were suspected of burglary, when the dog got loose and attacked one of the suspects. She was convicted of Assault, fired, and sentenced to a prison term.
The justice system is more barking then her dog........
I think he should forgive himself as history aint gonna.
Guam_Guy
11-19-2008, 06:21 AM
To take the felony charges off Richard Marcinko.
Calanen
11-19-2008, 06:35 AM
Ollie North. Hey he's a FOX presenter - that's got to get some traction with the Prez.
Btw - you better get your application in quick. The Attorney-General has to make a recommendation based on your app, like very soon. So I'd be cranking out the paperwork.
VansRV
11-19-2008, 07:01 AM
US Border Patrol Agents Jose Compean & Ignacio Ramos
x3
boet faas
11-19-2008, 09:40 AM
he must pardon himself
El Diablo Rojo
11-19-2008, 08:46 PM
Miscarriage of justice my ass.
They shot at an unarmed illegal alien drug smuggler who did not pose a threat and was fleeing.
Enough said.
x4 for pardoning Compean and Ramos
LineDoggie
11-19-2008, 09:49 PM
Ollie North. Hey he's a FOX presenter - that's got to get some traction with the Prez.
Btw - you better get your application in quick. The Attorney-General has to make a recommendation based on your app, like very soon. So I'd be cranking out the paperwork.
Conviction was overturned Sept. 16th, 1991 doesnt need one
annihilation
11-19-2008, 09:57 PM
Enough said.
x4 for pardoning Compean and Ramos
X5, the where protecting our boarders.
LineDoggie
11-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Surf or Snow? 1234567890
Policía Loco
01-19-2009, 01:46 PM
Not a pardon but close enough I guess....
Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
WASHINGTON – In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.
Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.
Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.
Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.
Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.
The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.
Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.................
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardons
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