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LaoSexMachine
11-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Cheney, Gonzales Indicted in Texas

November 18, 2008 6:57 PM
In the department of the Truly Bizarre, a Texas grand jury has indicted Vice President Cheney, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, a few state court judges, a former U.S. attorney and some other folks. According to the Brownsville Herald (http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/brownsvilleherald_91922___article.html/attorney_state.html), the indictment appears to focus on management and oversight of federal detention centers and accuses Cheney and Gonzales of engaging in organized criminal activity.
The Herald also says it accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest (because of his investment in a mutual fund that has interests in private prison companies) and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees by working through the prison companies that are running those centers. Gonzales, the newspaper says, also is accused of using his position in office to stop an investigation into alleged abuses at the federal detention centers.
The breaking news story on the Brownsville Herald is HERE (http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/brownsvilleherald_91922___article.html/attorney_state.html).
And now for the big wet towel.
First, Willacy County grand juries are familiar with DA Juan Angel Guerra -- since he himself was indicted by one just last year on felony charges of theft, attempted theft, perjury, abuse of official capacity and tampering with government records. When Guerra was arrested, the publisher of the local papers in the county, Paul Whitworth, told the Brownsville Herald: "It's a great day for Willacy County, and it'll be better when he's convicted." The Herald said Whitworth had said for years that Guerra failed to prosecute crime in the county.
Two weeks ago, a judge threw out the charges against Guerra -- but his prosecuting days soon will be over. He was defeated in the March primary.
So now Guerra is going for the last stand? If so, I'm guessing his Cheney/Gonzales indictment will go the way most last stands go: complete annihilation. First off, it's hard to see from the local reports exactly what the state crime even is. Federal conflicts of interest, for example, are governed by the Ethics in Government Act.
What's more, there's a reason why local DAs don't go around indicting federal officers for official actions (even controversial official actions): The U.S. Constitution.
The Supremacy Clause is generally understood to prohibit states from prosecuting federal officers for their official acts. Guerra can't prosecute Cheney, Gonzales, federal prosecutors, etc., for actions within the scope of their federal authority -- they all would be immune from such prosecutions.
The more serious question is whether the Obama Administration will follow a similar prosecutorial path against previous administration officials for other actions they took while in office.
But a state DA—no matter what his intentions -- cannot.
No comment from Cheney's office or DOJ, but I reached Cheney's former counsel, Shannen Coffin. He had this to say:
"This is just another example of the rampant politicization of politics by a local prosecutor who is trying to get his name in the newspaper," said Coffin, who's now at Steptoe & Johnson. "The local citizens…should throw him out on his ear."
In fact, they have -- through the ballot box.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/11/cheney-gonzales.html

seraosha
11-19-2008, 12:06 AM
rampant politicization of politics

Who proofreads this crap?

budgie
11-19-2008, 02:11 AM
Who proofreads this crap?

The department of redundant redundancies.

brainplay
11-19-2008, 03:02 AM
/facepalm

I think I might have driven through that county once. Too small to remember if I did. But hey, they're famous now and thats good. Right? Right guys? Guys...?

2Sheds_Jackson
11-19-2008, 09:11 AM
Who proofreads this crap?

Heh heh I thought the same thing...but it's a quote from somebody they interviewed.


The more serious question is whether the Obama Administration will follow a similar prosecutorial path against previous administration officials for other actions they took while in office.

My guess is that they won't - due to fear of the next administration turning around and doing exactly the same thing to them...call it professional courtesy. But time will tell.

budgie
11-19-2008, 10:22 AM
I'd say it's more due to fear of being hung - in real time - by the right wing hacks in the media and blogspace. That fear was the engine behind the support for Iraq war and it will be more than enough to make one President keep his hands off his predecessor.

However I dare say you're right as well: the precedent of each administration going vindictively after the last brings to mind the spectre of the Gracchi.

seraosha
11-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Well this pretty much negates any kind of judicial authority I had thought Grand Juries here in Tejas had. Jeez, that changes my views on Mr. Horns being found scott-free of any wrong doing in his recored 911 shooting incident.

Ok CJ, maybe you were right.

Just a pinprick, but I feel a little sick.

INAT
11-20-2008, 12:23 AM
Silly Texas don't they know Lord Cheney is above the law.

LineDoggie
11-20-2008, 12:28 AM
Silly Texas don't they know Lord Cheney is above the law.
Supremacy Clause

INAT
11-20-2008, 12:34 AM
Supremacy Clause


Yeah what about it?

Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


I don't see how that applies to alleged organized criminal activity by the Vice President.

LineDoggie
11-20-2008, 12:49 AM
The Supremacy Clause is understood to prohibit states from prosecuting federal officers for their official acts. DA Guerra can't prosecute Cheney, Gonzales,for actions within the scope of their federal duties - they would be immune from such prosecutions.

INAT
11-20-2008, 12:56 AM
I understand the theory,but does that apply to criminal charges and obstruction of justice? Just blanket protection no matter what? I don't know so ask.

Whatever the situation he will not be punished.

LineDoggie
11-20-2008, 01:17 AM
I understand the theory,but does that apply to criminal charges and obstruction of justice? Just blanket protection no matter what? I don't know so ask.

Whatever the situation he will not be punished.You might want to research who this prosecutor is. By the way, the prosecutor who brought the indictment didnt even show up for the Court hearing, there's a surprise, eh?

brainplay
11-20-2008, 03:18 AM
Hey now, don't try and wrap on the entire state in with them. We've got our share of loonies too. Most are in Austin......

Group9
11-20-2008, 05:56 AM
I understand the theory,but does that apply to criminal charges and obstruction of justice? Just blanket protection no matter what? I don't know so ask.

Whatever the situation he will not be punished.

Go back and read McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819, where issues like this were first considered and decided.

It applies to taxes, it applies to speeding, it applies to killing someone, it applies to anything that is necessary and proper to be done to carry out the will of the federal government.