Canada's Conservatives Take Lead in Poll, Globe and Mail Say

[EvanL]

June 15 (Bloomberg) -- Canada's Conservative Party has taken a narrow lead in a new poll as support for the governing Liberal Party slips further with two weeks left before the federal election, the Globe and Mail reported.

The Ipsos-Reid survey for the Globe and CTV network shows 32 percent of Canadian adults support the Conservatives, led by Stephen Harper, compared with 31 percent for the Liberals, the Toronto-based newspaper said. The New Democratic Party stands at 17 percent.

More than 25 percent said they're likely to change their minds before the June 28 vote, the Globe said. Supporters of the New Democratic Party, who are being courted by the Liberals, are more likely to do so, according to the poll.

A projection based on Ipsos-Reid's results gives the Conservatives 123 to 127 seats in the House of Commons compared with 95 to 99 for the Liberals. In Ontario, which elects about one-third of Canada's 308 seats, the Conservatives lead with 36 percent to the Liberals' 34 percent, suggesting the two parties will split the province, the paper said.

Two previous polls by Ipsos-Reid gave the Liberals a 1 point lead nationwide, down from 9 points after Prime Minister and Liberal leader Paul Martin called the election May 23, the Globe reported.

The new poll questioned 1,000 people from Friday to Sunday, and is accurate to within 3.1 points, 19 times out of 20, the Globe said.

[Maverick77]

Good I hope the ****in Liberians are gone and Conservatives are in so bad.

see the Liberals commericial Evan?

what a load of ****in ****.

[EvanL]

Good I hope the f*** Liberians are gone and Conservatives are in so bad.

see the Liberals commericial Evan?

what a load of f*** ****.
Well i doubt i would be reacting with such hostility as you have done. But no i havent seen the commercial.
Im out of Canada. Move back at the end of this month.

[memphiz]

Yeah I tried to watch that french debate last night....I dont speak french but I was impressed that their doing it in 2 languages

[Maverick77]

one of the things they say in it goes something like this.

"If Steven Harper was elected he would use money for such things as new tanks and aircraft carriers for the Military instead of using it on education"

[EvanL]

one of the things they say in it goes something like this.

"If Steven Harper was elected he would use money for such things and new tanks and aircraft carriers for the Military instead of using it on education"
Nothing new. They always say that.
The liberals have routinely used the military as a bank. Taking money out of it to put it into other things that pleases their voting bloque.
You should look at other stuff instead of the military though man.
Such as, there waste of money.

[kris777]

What type of electoral system is used for the Canadian PM, proportional representation, simple plurality etc?

[EvanL]

What type of electoral system is used for the Canadian PM, proportional representation, simple plurality etc?
Same as UK. Its a Parliamentary Democracy with the Queen as Head of State, and the Governor General her representative in country.

[Maverick77]

one of the things they say in it goes something like this.

"If Steven Harper was elected he would use money for such things and new tanks and aircraft carriers for the Military instead of using it on education"
Nothing new. They always say that.
The liberals have routinely used the military as a bank. Taking money out of it to put it into other things that pleases their voting bloque.
You should look at other stuff instead of the military though man.
Such as, there waste of money.

I see it right there in their stupid commericial, They openly say they will spend money on education instead of **** the military needs.

But when you say the other guy will spend money on what is really needed and you wont in your own commercial.......

then your really ****in dumb

[pinkeye]

Good I hope the f*** Liberians are gone and Conservatives are in so bad.

see the Liberals commericial Evan?

what a load of f*** ****.

have you actually read the cp's platform? no sane person would vote for harper and his gang of ideological rejects if they actually took the time to analyse harper's proposals. enough with the knee-jerk "boohoo sponsorship scandal" crap and let's start thinking about the long-term ramifications of electing a cp government (majority). i have yet to meet a single person with an ounce of policy experience that actually believes the cp's platform is viable.
if canadians elect a cp minority government, an election will be called within a year since the cp won't be in power for very long. how ironic that canadians could give the balance of power to the bloc!!
f$%k harper.

[EvanL]

one of the things they say in it goes something like this.

"If Steven Harper was elected he would use money for such things and new tanks and aircraft carriers for the Military instead of using it on education"
Nothing new. They always say that.
The liberals have routinely used the military as a bank. Taking money out of it to put it into other things that pleases their voting bloque.
You should look at other stuff instead of the military though man.
Such as, there waste of money.

I see it right there in their stupid commericial, They openly say they will spend money on education instead of **** the military needs.

But when you say the other guy will spend money on what is really needed and you wont in your own commercial.......

then your really f*** dumb
The ppl that vote liberal, dont give a **** about the military. As long as they have free health care, and tons of money spent on education the yare content.
Now i wonder what they would do if the RCMP was in the same shape as our military. They would be freaking out.

[EvanL]

Good I hope the f*** Liberians are gone and Conservatives are in so bad.

see the Liberals commericial Evan?

what a load of f*** ****.

have you actually read the cp's platform? no sane person would vote for harper and his gang of ideological rejects if they actually took the time to analyse harper's proposals. enough with the knee-jerk "boohoo sponsorship scandal" crap and let's start thinking about the long-term ramifications of electing a cp government (majority). i have yet to meet a single person with an ounce of policy experience that actually believes the cp's platform is viable.
if canadians elect a cp minority government, an election will be called within a year since the cp won't be in power for very long. how ironic that canadians could give the balance of power to the bloc!!
f$%k harper.
Point partly proven.
Thats the mindset that our youth have now.
It will only hold us back as a country.

[Maverick77]

Good I hope the f*** Liberians are gone and Conservatives are in so bad.

see the Liberals commericial Evan?

what a load of f*** ****.

have you actually read the cp's platform? no sane person would vote for harper and his gang of ideological rejects if they actually took the time to analyse harper's proposals. enough with the knee-jerk "boohoo sponsorship scandal" crap and let's start thinking about the long-term ramifications of electing a cp government (majority). i have yet to meet a single person with an ounce of policy experience that actually believes the cp's platform is viable.
if canadians elect a cp minority government, an election will be called within a year since the cp won't be in power for very long. how ironic that canadians could give the balance of power to the bloc!!
f$%k harper.


ill be the first one to tell you I know **** all about politics because I dont like people who just talk for a living.

But I do know that Harper supports the Canadian Military and the Liberals do not, Im tired of seeing the Military ****ted on by a bunch of ****ing hippies every year.

and that is why I support him

[Threelions]

I live in conservative territory (calgary). But im sure as hell not voting for them. I hate the fact that CP is willing to work with the F***ing bloc. Im voting NDP! or some toatlly obscure party..

Cheers

[EvanL]

I live in conservative territory (calgary). But im sure as hell not voting for them. I hate the fact that CP is willing to work with the F***ing bloc. Im voting NDP! or some toatlly obscure party..

Cheers
Just dont vote.
I despise the NDP as a federal party.
I like them for the cities.
But on the whole they would not be good for the whole country.

[Double Tap]

http://www.ndp.ca/uploaded/20040527091443_Fed.NDP.Platform.eng.sm.pdf
page 56


banning the sale of all assault rifles and automatic weapons and prohibiting their import. citizens in rural and remote areas and recreational hunters aren't using these weapons, which have no place in civilian societies
then look at page 53-54
the ndp wants out of nato they are all a bunch of commies :fork:

[GrimmyRX]

The CP is expecting a Budget Surplus of over 80Billion, and so, this is how they plan their budget, with this large budget surplus in mind.

Something about counting chickens anyone?

Ecnomonicly, the CP plateform is not viable. Yes they support the military, but their doing it in a way that is NOT economicly sound. And by DOING that, they are introducing the Military as a bitching point to all those that will now say "GArgh, to much money to the military! GArgh!"

These people may be wrong as hell, but still, it's neg light on the Military that we don't need.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Heres how you get elected in Canada. Do whatever the f*ck Ontario / Quebec wants, f*ck the west.

They constantly bash each other, and yet when in office they seem to accomplish sweet f*ck all. They constantly say "This guys going to feck things up dont vote for him vote for me" but when it comes down to it still sweet feck all gets done. Its all fecking talk, and bull****. Ironically when the liberals got elected in BC last they automatically made sure to give themselves a nice fat pay raise as there first priority, and what have the done for me? SWEET FECK ALL...thats right...notta...more taxes...thats about it. Not 1 thing has improved in my life...how about yours?

The only people who actually give a **** about who gets elected is specail interest groups and big buisness's. They always want to make sure there "best friend" gets into office, so they can cut corners when possible (illegal gambling licsense scandal anyone?).

I dont care what party, who there name is, what they've done in the past. There all crooks / thieves / liars, especially when in office.

[rokus2595]

Conservatives and their talking about cutting taxes and increase spending? how? by cutting social programs...those dubbed 'unprofitables', where because of their precarious state, allow the 'efficient' private sector in to fix things out....The thing is, the private sector is for profit only. and health care's fundamental premise is protecting the health of all individuals. No private sector can be profitable and at the same time provide the services that health care requires.....Just look at the States, where there are what? 30 million? 40 million uninsured??, with a very healthy private sector involvement.....That is what the tories want....and i think that is wrong.

[memphiz]

Heres how you get elected in Canada. Do whatever the f*ck Ontario / Quebec wants, f*ck the west.

Word

What has Canada gained with the Liberals in power:
-didly ****

What has Canada lost with the Lib's in power:
-The Airborn Reg.
-The right to own a firearm
-We almost lost Quebec
-Lost Millions of dollars trying to win Quebec back
-Billions of dollars lost for the cattle industry, with the mad cow scare
-Millions of dollars lost with the soft lumber taxation
-thousands of lumber yard workers lost jobs
-A couple hundred lumber yards closed
-Almost lost friendship with the US, because Canada rufused to go into Iraq (Im proud of that though)
-We've lost alot of coastgaurd patrol vessels because of gas prices
-Our military is diminishing, not enough funding

the list goes on...

[scott]

i applaud all of you for doing what so many canadians unfortunately arent and thats to give a **** about the upcoming election
however to address the concerns that i always see aired on this forum...

and for the record gordon campbell's bc liberals are closer in policy to kleins conservatives and the federal tories

What has Canada lost with the Lib's in power:
-The Airborn Reg.
true, david collinette is an ass, will the conservative party rebuild it? absolutely not. its the most obvious case of scapegoating in canadian history but its just that- history.

-The right to own a firearm
be thankful that you still have the right to own a firearm

-We almost lost Quebec
certainly not the liberal party's fault and to westerners, isnt that what they want?

-Lost Millions of dollars trying to win Quebec back
is this referring to the sponsorship scandal? if centrists canadians are willing to put this issue or even the broader issue of trust ahead of their values such as importance of healthcare and equity of a person then by all means vote conservative

-Billions of dollars lost for the cattle industry, with the mad cow scare
not the liberal party's fault, are they supposed to force the US to reopen the border? if anything its GWB's stubbornness and arrogance

-Millions of dollars lost with the soft lumber taxation
see above

-thousands of lumber yard workers lost jobs
see above, and certainly dont blame the federal government for that

-A couple hundred lumber yards closed
see above, are there any lumberworkers in the house?

-Almost lost friendship with the US, because Canada rufused to go into Iraq (Im proud of that though)
so am i, a canadian value to not participate in a conflict that we feel is unjust

-We've lost alot of coastgaurd patrol vessels because of gas prices
we are losing coast guard vessels? well so long as the kingstons are in tact im happy

-Our military is diminishing, not enough funding
our military was diminishing under the chretien government
to vote for a party based on these thigns is just plain wrong, when i write such a list if the conservative party gets elected what scares me is that core values like the strict adherence to the charter, traditional (and expanded) funding to education and health and wellness and government services will be the items on that list

i appreciate that most of the posters in this thread are frustrated with the past, and that frustration will end up causing them like many canadians to opt for the quick change- and if that is the case then by all means **** the liberals, and **** their leader
but i would encourage all those who posted to look at the previous posts on defending canada and conservative defence plans and in fact the party's platforms
and if your decision remains the same (whatever it is) make it june 28th

just my side of the spectrum...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Frusterating eh memph?

They do nothing to actually solve any of the problems. For example...how long has our border been closed for sending meat to america? Do you think its ever going to open? Not fecking soon enough for the cattle farmers that are depending on it opening up and taking a hit out of there pocket book for it not being open (and in some cases actually closing there buisness down because they cannot afford it anymore).

What about our magic gun control bill, bill c-68 which soley depends on the ideal that "criminals only use registered firearms" :cantbeli: :slap: :-*$ .....over 56 million dollars has been flogged into a bill that NONE OF THE GUN OWNERS HAVE BOUGHT INTO AND REGISTERED. Even better in Nanaimo when the people did sign up and register to "legally" own firearms there database corrupted which lost all the info from all the people who did apply...therefor they had to pay outta there pocket again to go in an apply and re-fill out everything (how many people would actually go to that extent to re-file is probably next to none).

Our governments so outta touch with the people its f*cking amazing we live in the same land as these assholes.

[scm77]

To add to Mephs list.

Sponsorship Scandal.
No Seaking replacement.

That's all I can think of now. I posted a jumbo sized list of crap the liberals have done, in another thread. I'll see if I can dig it up.

I love (hate) how Paul Martin tries to make Harper look like some military crazed bush lover. He's proposing spending in defence to fix (or atleast start to fix) the problems that Martin and Crouton have given the military.

[scott]

What type of electoral system is used for the Canadian PM, proportional representation, simple plurality etc?
Same as UK. Its a Parliamentary Democracy with the Queen as Head of State, and the Governor General her representative in country.

the green and new democratic parties advocate proportional representation
canada's electoral system is a single member plurality
cheers

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Billions of dollars lost for the cattle industry, with the mad cow scare
not the liberal party's fault, are they supposed to force the US to reopen the border? if anything its GWB's stubbornness and arrogance

-Millions of dollars lost with the soft lumber taxation
see above

-thousands of lumber yard workers lost jobs
see above, and certainly dont blame the federal government for that

-A couple hundred lumber yards closed
see above, are there any lumberworkers in the house?


Yep so its not our federal governments fault that we are absolutely getting shafted on the "softwood lumber agreement" (if you would call it an agreement....well...the Americans agree they want our lumber). Its not there fault they cant stand up for the PEOPLE THAT ELECTED THEM...If they cant handle the heat get there fecking ass outta the kitchen

[Romulus]

I dont care what party, who there name is, what they've done in the past. There all crooks / thieves / liars, especially when in office

Truer words were never spoken.

It's the same no matter what country you are from. All Crooks! But, I do believe there are a few in government who are legit and actually give a flying **** what happens in this world.

[scott]

No Seaking replacement.


MHP
come on
at least give the liberals credit when after so long a viable solution is finally presented

for election related defence issues take a good look at the other thread
theres only so much that intelligent people can butt heads

[FRO]

As has been mentioned, when the Conservatives are asked about the cost of their platform, they have only been able to say that the massive revenue increase created by their tax cuts will create a huge budget surplus and allow them to pay for everything. Here's the thing, when pressed on what his priority is in case the surplus does not materialize, Harper has admitted it will be health care.

So, if that is true, it gives him a perfect out for all his promises. "Oh, sorry, love to do all those things I promised, but we don't have the money." If it isn't true, well, then he lied. He tells people what they want to hear (surprise, surprise, he's a politician), and so his military promises could be just as illusory.

For me, that's no surprise. He, like all the rest, is a politician.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

As has been mentioned, when the Conservatives are asked about the cost of their platform, they have only been able to say that the massive revenue increase created by their tax cuts will create a huge budget surplus and allow them to pay for everything. Here's the thing, when pressed on what his priority is in case the surplus does not materialize, Harper has admitted it will be health care.

So, if that is true, it gives him a perfect out for all his promises. "Oh, sorry, love to do all those things I promised, but we don't have the money." If it isn't true, well, then he lied. He tells people what they want to hear (surprise, surprise, he's a politician), and so his military promises could be just as illusory.

For me, that's no surprise. He, like all the rest, is a politician.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.


Well said woot

[Resevoir Hogs]

Oh I thought I might point out that Yes the Conservatives would buy new tanks (those are needed) But they do not plan on buying an aircraft carrier or at least what some people think it is.

They have plans to buy a ship or two much like the HMS Ocean or USS Wasp. Able to carry helicopters and troops to deployments or act as a supply ship for naval ops or be used for humanitarian relief.

Just another Liberal lie. That or they can't tell the difference between a 5000 man air craft carrier and a 300 man sup and transport deck ship. Which looking at the liberals knowledge of the military I wouldn't be surprised.

[scott]

Oh I thought I might point out that Yes the Conservatives would buy new tanks (those are needed) But they do not plan on buying an aircraft carrier or at least what some people think it is.

They have plans to buy a ship or two much like the HMS Ocean or USS Wasp. Able to carry helicopters and troops to deployments or act as a supply ship for naval ops or be used for humanitarian relief.


first, not "new" tanks so lets dispell that right now
and i, like all defence oriented liberals in my community know that the conservatives want to buy an LPH, and for the problems it poses look here...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16423