George Walker Bush

[[AFSOC]]

THE CHIEF IN COMMAND SHOWING HIS GUN "TAKE THAT SADDAM"

http://cameltoe.org/images/BushPackage.jpg


A CUPPAGE THERE.........LOL

[stuntman]

How about this pic?
http://home.enter.vg/badhumour/presidental/clintontime61.jpg
or this one?
http://home.enter.vg/badhumour/presidental/salutation.JPG

[theGHOST]

LoL............but those are doctored pics, the first 1 is real.

[Smoothie104]

: In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test--on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list--a year and a half long, by some estimates--and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.

By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to end.

#6 Bush denied strings were pulled to get him in the Texas Air National Guard.

“I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I don't believe I received special treatment," Bush told reporters.” [DMN 9/08/99]

The Truth

· “Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes confirmed Monday that he recommended Gov. George W. Bush for a slot in the Texas Air National Guard during the height of the Vietnam War, at the request of a Bush family friend. Mr. Barnes' account came in a written statement that was released after he testified in a deposition stemming from a federal lawsuit.’ [DMN 9/28/99]

· “The statement by Mr. Barnes also confirmed that he met a year ago with a top Bush adviser to discuss the Guard matter. As reported in The News, Mr. Bush sent a note thanking Mr. Barnes for his help in rebutting rumors that Mr. Bush's father helped his son find a Guard slot, the statement confirmed.” [DMN 9/08/99]

· "Mr. Barnes was contacted by [Houston businessman] Sid Adger and asked to recommend George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard," Mr. Barnes' statement said. "Barnes called Gen. [James] Rose and did so." [DMN 9/28/00]

"No Bush ever asked Sid Adger to help," the governor said.[DMN 9/28/00]

· “A spokeswoman for former President George Bush confirmed the elder Bush's friendship with Mr. Adger but said he was "almost positive" he never talked to Mr. Adger - or anyone else - about getting his son into the Guard. "He said he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that happened in the 1960s - but he said he and Sid Adger never, ever talked about George W. and the Texas Air National Guard," said Jean Becker, a spokeswoman for the former president. "President Bush knew Sid Adger well," Ms. Becker said. "He loved him."’ [DMN 9/08/99]

· “When Bush was admitted into the Guard in 1968, 100,000 other men were on waiting lists around the country, hoping to win admission to similar units. The Guard was popular because those units were rarely sent to Vietnam.” [LAT 7/4/99]

#7 Bush said the Texas Air National Guard was short on pilots.

"They were looking for pilots, and I was honored to serve.", Governor Bush told the Dallas Morning News. [DMN9/08/99]

The Truth

· “But Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, said that records do not show a pilot shortage in the Guard squadron at the time. Hail, who reviewed the unit's personnel records for a special Guard museum display on Gov. Bush's service, said Bush's unit had 27 pilots at the time he began applying. While that number was two short of its authorized strength, the unit had two other pilots who were in training and another awaiting a transfer. There was no apparent need to fast-track applicants, he said.” [LAT 7/4/99]



· “The Texas Air Guard had about 900 slots for pilots, air and ground crew members, supervisors, technicians and support staff. Sgt. Donald Dean Barnhart, who still serves in the Guard, said that he kept a waiting list of about 150 applicants' names. He said it took up to a year and a half for one name to move to the top of the list. "Quite a few gentlemen were wanting to get in," he recalled. For Bush, there was no wait. He met with commander Staudt in his Houston office and made his application--all before his graduation in June.” [LAT, 7/4/99]



“Beckwith, Bush's spokesman, painted a different picture. He said that the Guard needed pilots at the time and Bush was available. "A lot of people weren't qualified" or willing to fly, he said, so special commissions were offered to those willing to undergo the extra training required.”

[LAT 7/4/99]



· “But Shoemake, who also served as a chief of personnel in the Texas Guard from 1972 to 1980, remembers no pilot shortage. "We had so many people coming in who were super-qualified," he said.” [LAT 7/4/99]



· “Records from his [Bush’s] military file show that in January 1968, after inquiring about Guard admission, Mr. Bush went to an Air Force recruiting office near Yale, where he took and passed the test required by the Air Force for pilot trainees. His score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers.” [7/4/99]

#8 There was no special deal when he received a direct appointment to second lieutenant right after basic training, with no qualifications.
“Officials in Bush's presidential campaign denied last week that he was treated differently from other recruits. "Our information is there was absolutely no special deal," said spokesman David Beckwith.” [LAT 7/4/99]

“He [Commander Staudt] recommended Bush for a direct appointment--a special process that would allow the young recruit to become a second lieutenant right out of basic training without having to go through the rigors of officer candidate school. The process also cleared the way for a slot in pilot training school.” [LAT, 7/4/99]

The Truth
· “But Charles C. Shoemake, an Air Force veteran who later joined the Texas Air National Guard, eventually retiring as a full colonel, said that direct appointments were rare and hard to get, and required extensive credentials. "I went from master sergeant to first lieutenant based on my three years in college and 15 years as a noncommissioned officer. Then I got considered for a direct appointment." Even then, he said, "I didn't know whether I was going to get into pilot training."” [LAT 7/4/99]

· “As for a direct commission for someone of Bush's limited qualifications, Hail said, "I've never heard of that. Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons."” [LAT 7/4/99]

#9 As evidence he wasn't dodging combat, Mr. Bush has pointed to his efforts to try to volunteer for a program that rotated Guard pilots to Vietnam, although he wasn't called. [DMN 7/4/99]

The Truth
· “Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a box to be checked specifying whether he did or did not volunteer for overseas duty. His includes a check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for such an assignment.” [DMN 7/4/99]





Bush's enemies say all this proves he was a cowardly deserter. Nonsense. He was a pampered rich kid who took advantage. Why wasn't he called on it in a serious way during the 2000 election? Probably because Democrats figured they'd get Clinton's draft-dodging thing thrown back at them. Not that it matters. If history judges Bush harshly--and it probably will--it won't be for screwing up as a young smart aleck, but for getting us into this damn fool war.

[theGHOST]

What you saying guy?

Bush has cuppage in that pic.......LoL

[hood]

The "package" is secured.

[budanski]

http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

[hood]

Sorry, couldn't pass this up:

"What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs
rolls over your neighbor's dog?
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?
It's Log, Log, Log!

It's Log, Log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's Log, Log, it's better than bad, it's good!
Everyone wants a log! You're gonna love it, Log!
Come on and get your log! Everyone needs a Log!"

[Seraphim]

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/4a5323f/bc/__hr_image00.jpg?bckbfF_A3suCRarA

[Ichhabe]

Sorry, couldn't pass this up:

"What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs
rolls over your neighbor's dog?
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?
It's Log, Log, Log!

It's Log, Log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's Log, Log, it's better than bad, it's good!
Everyone wants a log! You're gonna love it, Log!
Come on and get your log! Everyone needs a Log!"


Isn't that from the commercal in Ren & Stimpy?

[hood]

:) yep it is.

[a. enders]

rofl That's why Hood is a bad mamma jamma in my book!Watches Ren & Stimpy!Bro in law has all the old episodes on his HD,tryin to get a copy of them.

[stuntman]

"You IIIDIOTSSsS"

[Mortimer]

http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

lol idiots
GWB and Budanski btw

[budanski]

???

[a. enders]

http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

"I was told this tree was hiding weapons of mass destruction and had recently purchased weapons grade plutonium from Tasmania."

[Mortimer]

???

YOU ARE AN IDIOT

And i was comparing your idiocity with that of GWB

:cantbeli:

[Seiyuuki]

http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

"I was told this tree was hiding weapons of mass destruction and had recently purchased weapons grade plutonium from Tasmania."

rofl rofl rofl



Mortimer, as for your posts, you're just proving that you're the IDIOT around here.

If you're going to make it personal, use PM, don't drag a good thread down to your level...wasn't you one of those people in the other forum whining about this kind of personal provocation, don't be a hyprocrite. If you don't like budanski's signature, change yours, then he'll have nothing to go on and/or you can change your signature to insult him or something, at least, that way, it'll be passive. Or, be the better man...or whatever you are...and move on!!!

[usa320]

yall are depriving numerous villages of their idiots.

[a. enders]

Bwa-HA! rofl

[budanski]

???

YOU ARE AN IDIOT

And i was comparing your idiocity with that of GWB

:cantbeli:

Your attempt at insult is much lacking. Perhaps I can help you flame someone in the future. Watch and learn kiddo!

Mortimer, you swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour p!ss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you.

You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood.

May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have *** with you.

You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile, one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling, meatslapper. On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool.

You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me.

Your attempt at insult was pitiful. Get a clue Mortimer. :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

yall are depriving numerous villages of their idiots.

rofl rofl rofl rofl

Nothing personal Mortimer, but budanski respond is just too damn... rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Mortimer]

My sig isn't making personal attacks....?! what the hell is wrong with you guys are you demented or something?!

And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.

"as we say here in Texas" blah blah wtf?

I bet you just copied and pasted that off some site if not then you are weird.

Seiyuuki stop being a little bitch, your displaying the personaility of a 12yo asian kid who has nothing better to do then play his dumb computer and feel big by insulting people behined it.

Same goes for budanski, grow up.

[budanski]

And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.

"as we say here in Texas" blah blah wtf?

While you're at it, Seeing that I'm Vietnamese, why don't you retract that I'm a white trash hick and instead call me a yellow gook. That'll be funnier.

[Mortimer]

lol how does a vietnamese get by living in a hick state such as texas?

seriously how old are you?

[budanski]

A vietnamese gets by real well here in Houston. You're obviously ignorant of what Texas is really like. Here in Houston, Hispanics make the majority and not "white hicks". You shouldnt rely on movies for your cultural studies. I'm not only exclusive to Houston. My family runs a seafood wholesale company down in Palacios. We get along with all the "white hicks" that buy from us.

Coming from nothing when we arrived here in the U.S. and now earning in total with my wife in the 6 figures is nothing to laugh about." I'm living better off today with amongst the "white hicks" than I would if we stayed in Vietnam.

[a. enders]

Actually....Mortimer's sig doesn't strike me so much as a "conspiracy theory" as a simple interpretation of what he (or whoever made that statement) has observed through the media.
It is a resoundingly cynical,yet rather intriguing observation though.

I don't buy it.But that's me.

As for the whole "white trash" blah-blah-blah....What the flying **** has that to do with anything?I mean seriously,even if Budanski WERE white trash,what ****ing difference would that make?Other than pointing out the you are a rascist.

As for the whole GWB thing,he's the debbil and all that ham and cheese.......I agree.I just wish more people would make their criticisms and observations in a more civilized manner than just going "Oh,Bush dumb,me hate."Why do I always find myself defending someone I hate?Becuase no one (even the goobs that make it on TV) has any really well thought-out reasons to dislike him."It's for the oil","not for me","Some other semi-hippie BS wannabe 60s slogan".Come on.

(If you find yourself asking "What does this asshole think?" "What makes him so special?" it's because I've realized,based on my own observationsm ind you,that the multi-party system ((now pared down to 2 and Ross Perot)) has become one party.Truly,there are no differences between Democrat and Republican.Just dig a little.You'll see.)


*Side note:I don't honestly know where this came from,something set me off......It happens.If it doesn't make sense,sorry.If it does......well....welcome to the party.

[Vance]

On behalf of every Texan in America I condemn Mortimer's childish comebacks as nothing more than an idiotic faliure to get attention.

Thank you.

[Mortimer]

its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.

something like this is racist


"Mexican Marines?

Do they return back to Mexico after getting out of the water? "


Budasnki you still didn't answer my question about how old you are.

My immature comment was in reply to budanski's immature comments which he went in great length to get accross, showing the typical traits of a young asian kid(somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i didn't think there were many asians in Texas.)

My sig is a political statement not a conspricay theory.

I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? and like many asians love things military hence are posting here. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

I laugh at you.

And if i offended any other Texans such as Vance i retract my statement and apologise.

[budanski]

its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.

something like this is racist


"Mexican Marines?

Do they return back to Mexico after getting out of the water? "


You're really stretching it there arent you Mortimer? Tell me something. Would this be considered racist (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030728/usnews/28vigilante.htm)?


Budasnki you still didn't answer my question about how old you are.

Tell you what, figure it out with what I have posted earlier. I'm married. Fled my homeland as a child. (*hint April '75) Do the math.


My immature comment was in reply to budanski's immature comments which he went in great length to get accross, showing the typical traits of a young asian kid(somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i didn't think there were many asians in Texas.)

First I was a typical "white hick" now I'm a "typical asian," Make up your mind. Can you be anymore racist with such comments?

Your ignorance in culture is as lacking as your insults. The four largest Asian populations in Houston, according to the Asian Chamber of Commerce, are the Vietnamese (125,000), Chinese (120,000), South Asians (45,000 Indians and 20,000 Pakistanis), and Korean (20,000). There are also 14,500 Filipinos and 7,500 Japanese.


I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? and like many asians love things military hence are posting here.

Actually, Seiyuuki and I plan to take over the world with a chain of nail shops.... one foot at a time.


Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

Riiiight. Just look in the mirror and repeat after me. I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and gosh darnit, people like me.

[Mortimer]

lol well that article is really somthing hank! They wouldn't have to do that if America didn't stuff Mexico and all the other 3rd world countries around by putting them in so much debt they'll never get out.

sorry i got your age wrong but you shouldn't have said anything becuase now your a 40 yo dumbass

Thanks for making me think i give americans to much credit, you just proved my generalisations of Texans as well.

And don't worry my self esteem is fine, tell me do you like being a fish salesman... ?
but i know your answer is yes, how could your typical "American" attitude let you admit to me you didn't?

:hug:

[Seiyuuki]

I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? AND LIKE MANY ASIANS LOVE THINGS MILITARY HENCE ARE POSTING HERE. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[ESCOBAR]

There's nothing wrong with Mortimers sig..............you people are just being ignorant of the truth. His sig is the truth dont run from it listen to it.

[=75th=RANGER]

STupid George Bush, watch this guys.........

http://www.steakandcheese.com/downloads/bad_negro_experience.wmv

[Seiyuuki]

...

[Mortimer]

look its a parrot
polly want a crakcer?

[Seiyuuki]

And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.


Seiyuuki stop being a little bitch, your displaying the personaility of a 12yo asian kid who has nothing better to do then play his dumb computer and feel big by insulting people behined it.


lol how does a vietnamese get by living in a hick state such as texas?


its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.


My immature comment was in reply to BUDANSKI'S IMMATURE COMMENTS WHICH HE WENT IN GREAT LENGTH GO GET ACROSS, SHOWING THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A YOUNG ASIAN KID (somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i DIDN'T THINK there were many asians in Texas.)


I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? AND LIKE MANY ASIANS LOVE THINGS MILITARY HENCE ARE POSTING HERE. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

I laugh at you.


sorry i got your age wrong but you shouldn't have said anything becuase now your a 40 yo dumbass

Thanks for making me think i give americans to much credit, you just proved my generalisations of Texans as well.

And don't worry my self esteem is fine, tell me do you like being a fish salesman... ?
but i know your answer is yes, how could your typical "American" attitude let you admit to me you didn't?


yeah lol i wish i was a Texan/American......... soooo baadd that way i can be really arrogant and think that i am soo damn good while f*** over the rest of the world!

Yeah and then i can make stupid posts like Merik and usa320 and Vance! you guys are sooo smart i envy you.

And then i can go to Texas and let GWB f*** me in the ass like Budanksi and seiyuuki the sexy parrot!


Its there becuase day after day i see see America EVERYWHERE! on TV on posters on my computer on my cloths on my food etc...i can choose not to use all these things but in this day and age thats basically impossible.


I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east, Afghanistan was just something done to keep the people happy. Iraq was first on GWB's list after 9/11 but Collin Powel urged Bush to go to Afghanistan first - this is UNSUBSTANTIATED but i have read a lot into it and thats my opinion.


American imperialism had been happening since 1945 but recetnly they have started running out of excuses for it: Vietnam(communism, which ran thin after awhile), Panama etc. Taking these countries or manipulating them to make sure the US has control over resources.


Well 9/11! that was a bit of a surprise... but what a stroke of luck...sure 2500 people died but hey if its good for the economy its good for the US of A(after a sharp slide mind you but that was predictable). lets go and consolidate our resources...but now we have an excuse..Operation Enduring Freedom the BIGGEST con of all time.


TV manipulates people into thinking they want things, food, cars, whatever. People are made to think that of you don't have the latest gear you are uncool, effecting their pysche and such, models who are supposed to look good make us have to fit into a template on how to look...ALL US inventions to sell their products.


And the thing is Americans love it, why? becuase their media and government condition them with movies about killing evil arabs and showa about badass black people who are only going to rob you or try to sell you drugs (COPS the show..one example).

Hell what kind of a country has 11,000 firearm related deaths each year when the closest country behined it has like 700 max? A country where its a right to own a firearm, where movies and TV make it ok to shoot someone.

Watch Bowling for Columbine it backs me up 100% in this last two paragraphs.

[Vance]

I don't understand this ''American Imperialism''. Just because we have gone into two countries and rooted out the bad guys doesn't mean we have taken over the whole country. We might be in charge of Iraq now but surely not for much longer.

[ESCOBAR]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Ppl consider Iraq as an act of Imperilism because of Iraq's wealth on Oil and the U.S will use that.

Vance that is what American Imperialism is. Wake up and do some research and you'll discover what your government is all about.

[usa320]

When will people give up the stereotype that texas is a bunch of steer riding radical right winger's who have shootouts at the freakin saloon...

Sheesh...i just got back from there, and honestly Texas isnt much Different than any other state... Dallas is a typical big city, no different than Seattle or Detroit...other than the Texas accent... ive always used the word "yall" on occasion, but down there they say "yall" as much as us Northerners say "dude".

[usa320]

Oh, and that flame was awesome budanski...ive been reading forums for nearly 5 years, and thats the best flame ive ever read...

:slap:

Twas a virtual bitchslap.

[usa320]

Back on topic, George bush is the only President since the last George Bush who could actually carry a gun without shooting his foot off...hmmm....lets see...which presidents were in between Bush I and Bush II....that sorta narrows it down.... ;)

[Seiyuuki]

And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.


Seiyuuki stop being a little bitch, your displaying the personaility of a 12yo asian kid who has nothing better to do then play his dumb computer and feel big by insulting people behined it.


lol how does a vietnamese get by living in a hick state such as texas?


its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.


My immature comment was in reply to BUDANSKI'S IMMATURE COMMENTS WHICH HE WENT IN GREAT LENGTH GO GET ACROSS, SHOWING THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A YOUNG ASIAN KID (somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i DIDN'T THINK there were many asians in Texas.)


I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? AND LIKE MANY ASIANS LOVE THINGS MILITARY HENCE ARE POSTING HERE. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

I laugh at you.


sorry i got your age wrong but you shouldn't have said anything becuase now your a 40 yo dumbass

Thanks for making me think i give americans to much credit, you just proved my generalisations of Texans as well.

And don't worry my self esteem is fine, tell me do you like being a fish salesman... ?
but i know your answer is yes, how could your typical "American" attitude let you admit to me you didn't?


yeah lol i wish i was a Texan/American......... soooo baadd that way i can be really arrogant and think that i am soo damn good while f*** over the rest of the world!

Yeah and then i can make stupid posts like Merik and usa320 and Vance! you guys are sooo smart i envy you.

And then i can go to Texas and let GWB f*** me in the ass like Budanksi and seiyuuki the sexy parrot!


Its there becuase day after day i see see America EVERYWHERE! on TV on posters on my computer on my cloths on my food etc...i can choose not to use all these things but in this day and age thats basically impossible.


I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east, Afghanistan was just something done to keep the people happy. Iraq was first on GWB's list after 9/11 but Collin Powel urged Bush to go to Afghanistan first - this is UNSUBSTANTIATED but i have read a lot into it and thats my opinion.


American imperialism had been happening since 1945 but recetnly they have started running out of excuses for it: Vietnam(communism, which ran thin after awhile), Panama etc. Taking these countries or manipulating them to make sure the US has control over resources.


Well 9/11! that was a bit of a surprise... but what a stroke of luck...sure 2500 people died but hey if its good for the economy its good for the US of A(after a sharp slide mind you but that was predictable). lets go and consolidate our resources...but now we have an excuse..Operation Enduring Freedom the BIGGEST con of all time.


TV manipulates people into thinking they want things, food, cars, whatever. People are made to think that of you don't have the latest gear you are uncool, effecting their pysche and such, models who are supposed to look good make us have to fit into a template on how to look...ALL US inventions to sell their products.


And the thing is Americans love it, why? becuase their media and government condition them with movies about killing evil arabs and showa about badass black people who are only going to rob you or try to sell you drugs (COPS the show..one example).

Hell what kind of a country has 11,000 firearm related deaths each year when the closest country behined it has like 700 max? A country where its a right to own a firearm, where movies and TV make it ok to shoot someone.

Watch Bowling for Columbine it backs me up 100% in this last two paragraphs.

[Merik]

Only assholes criticize Texans because they are too f-ing jealous that the best President since Reagan is from here.

[Mortimer]

yeah lol i wish i was a Texan/American......... soooo baadd that way i can be really arrogant and think that i am soo damn good while ****ing over the rest of the world!

Yeah and then i can make stupid posts like Merik and usa320 and Vance! you guys are sooo smart i envy you.

And then i can go to Texas and let GWB **** me in the ass like Budanksi and seiyuuki the sexy parrot!

:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

Sorry for my momentary loss of seriousness.....ok i'm done

[Vance]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Was all of this stuff before or after 9-11.

[Mortimer]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Was all of this stuff before or after 9-11.

please....its a bit more complicated like that

[Seiyuuki]

And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.


Seiyuuki stop being a little bitch, your displaying the personaility of a 12yo asian kid who has nothing better to do then play his dumb computer and feel big by insulting people behined it.


lol how does a vietnamese get by living in a hick state such as texas?


its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.


My immature comment was in reply to BUDANSKI'S IMMATURE COMMENTS WHICH HE WENT IN GREAT LENGTH GO GET ACROSS, SHOWING THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A YOUNG ASIAN KID (somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i DIDN'T THINK there were many asians in Texas.)


I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? AND LIKE MANY ASIANS LOVE THINGS MILITARY HENCE ARE POSTING HERE. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

I laugh at you.


sorry i got your age wrong but you shouldn't have said anything becuase now your a 40 yo dumbass

Thanks for making me think i give americans to much credit, you just proved my generalisations of Texans as well.

And don't worry my self esteem is fine, tell me do you like being a fish salesman... ?
but i know your answer is yes, how could your typical "American" attitude let you admit to me you didn't?


yeah lol i wish i was a Texan/American......... soooo baadd that way i can be really arrogant and think that i am soo damn good while f*** over the rest of the world!

Yeah and then i can make stupid posts like Merik and usa320 and Vance! you guys are sooo smart i envy you.

And then i can go to Texas and let GWB f*** me in the ass like Budanksi and seiyuuki the sexy parrot!


Its there becuase day after day i see see America EVERYWHERE! on TV on posters on my computer on my cloths on my food etc...i can choose not to use all these things but in this day and age thats basically impossible.


I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east, Afghanistan was just something done to keep the people happy. Iraq was first on GWB's list after 9/11 but Collin Powel urged Bush to go to Afghanistan first - this is UNSUBSTANTIATED but i have read a lot into it and thats my opinion.


American imperialism had been happening since 1945 but recetnly they have started running out of excuses for it: Vietnam(communism, which ran thin after awhile), Panama etc. Taking these countries or manipulating them to make sure the US has control over resources.


Well 9/11! that was a bit of a surprise... but what a stroke of luck...sure 2500 people died but hey if its good for the economy its good for the US of A(after a sharp slide mind you but that was predictable). lets go and consolidate our resources...but now we have an excuse..Operation Enduring Freedom the BIGGEST con of all time.


TV manipulates people into thinking they want things, food, cars, whatever. People are made to think that of you don't have the latest gear you are uncool, effecting their pysche and such, models who are supposed to look good make us have to fit into a template on how to look...ALL US inventions to sell their products.


And the thing is Americans love it, why? becuase their media and government condition them with movies about killing evil arabs and showa about badass black people who are only going to rob you or try to sell you drugs (COPS the show..one example).

Hell what kind of a country has 11,000 firearm related deaths each year when the closest country behined it has like 700 max? A country where its a right to own a firearm, where movies and TV make it ok to shoot someone.

Watch Bowling for Columbine it backs me up 100% in this last two paragraphs.

[Vance]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Was all of this stuff before or after 9-11.

please....its a bit more complicated like that
Your sig implies of ''American Imperialism'' after 9-11. The only cases of this so-called ''Imerialism'' is in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[ESCOBAR]

Vance, i wouldnt consider Afghanistan a case of Imperialism.......there isnt really much for the U.S there. Afghanistan was the place where we went to get Osama and eliminate the Taliban......it wasnt just the Americans who went there and took them out remember that.

[budanski]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Was all of this stuff before or after 9-11.

please....its a bit more complicated like that
Your sig implies of ''American Imperialism'' after 9-11. The only cases of this so-called ''Imerialism'' is in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Forgetting the evils of Empire (http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/00000006DA7A.htm)

[Duke]

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

Was all of this stuff before or after 9-11.

please....its a bit more complicated like that
Your sig implies of ''American Imperialism'' after 9-11. The only cases of this so-called ''Imerialism'' is in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Escobar,
What did the Marists sent by the Soviets into Latin American want? The same thing. Communism is intimately intertwined with socio/economic tenets. Not only did the Communista wanted to run the economies of Latin America, they yearned to control their daily existence, such as how to rear children, where exactly to live, what to think as in religion, what to print for press etc etc etc.

[He219]

ESCOBAR wrote:

Vance, look at South America, the Phillippines etc. American imperialism isnt like the British way or states b4. Its not like going over there to conquer, its more like they go over there and put there market there and then basically run the economy of the country.

That is what Fidel Castro is against same with the late Che Guevara. Ironically Che Guevara died in Bolivia fighting off American imperialism which ended with him getting killed by American forces.

In the first paragraph your argument is more directed towards Globalism and a Globally integrated economy. The U.S. can only influence the South American and Phillipine economies and does not 'run their economy' from some smoke filled Brooklyn basement as Mortimer would have you thinking. In Chile I personally saw the benefits of an Export based economy compared to other non-agressive export South American nations. The Philipines asked us to leave militarily yet maintain a large service industry with the US Navy. Do you believe Globally integrated economies are Run solely by the US Government?

In your second paragraph, Che' Guevara was captured and executed by the Bolivian government with 'help' of the Green Berets. Tell me, if Cuba is the Proletariat Paradise, why is it actively seeking Capitalist investment and Tourism? How would this relate to Globally integrated economics? By promoting US economic stimulus for Cuba, would'nt you be promoting American Economic Imperialization?

As for mortimer's leftist propaganda, how are people 'conned' with fear to attack Afghanistan through a multinational coalition? How does buying oil directly from Iraq, rather than Russia and France acting as middlemen, hurt it's people without diverting funds to build Saddam's lavish palaces or finance an extravagant weapons procurement program? Mainly, how is the United States dictating Third World Debt and how is Imperialization a cause for monetary imprudence? We all have to balance our budgets or risk facing the consequences. How would debt relief promote socio-economic anti-imperialism? Wouldn't Third World Debt relief only promote the Welfare State? The responsibility to exercise fiscal discretion lies with the individual and not the Free-market system, unless you are socialist.

Just some thoughts....

p-)
He219

[usa320]

There's nothing wrong with Mortimers sig..............you people are just being ignorant of the truth. His sig is the truth dont run from it listen to it.
_________________
"It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East Instead of war on poverty"------Tupac Shakur.

"People that live, that are afraid to die, die not knowing what its like to live" ---------------50 Cent

Anyone who is quoting lines from 50 cent lacks credibility to begin with...

And its disgusting how people seem to turn a blind eye to the genocide that was carried out by Saddam Hussein. Just saturday another mass grave was located that was filled with Iraqis.

How anyone could not want such a madman removed from power is beyond me...

And why Mortimer hasnt been banned for making such ignorant comments is beyond me... Im not sure if its outright racism or just ignorant stereotyping, but either way what he said was downright rude.

[Trigger]

Just some thoughts....

Excellent thoughts!

[a. enders]

Don't get me wrong,I had no love of Sadam but after seeing recent reports on that big haired doof in North Korea and how bad he is makes me thing we started in the wrong place.Guys not jsut a dictator,but a hypocrite as well.

[usa320]

I hate Saddam, Kim Jong, Osama Bin Laden, Ghaddafi and Ayotallah equally...though perhaps i have a more vengeful feeling towards bin laden. :fork: :slap: :backhand: :bash:

[Mortimer]

[quote]

And why Mortimer hasnt been banned for making such ignorant comments is beyond me... Im not sure if its outright racism or just ignorant stereotyping, but either way what he said was downright rude.

And this isn't rude?



Your attempt at insult is much lacking. Perhaps I can help you flame someone in the future. Watch and learn kiddo!

Mortimer, you swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour p!ss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you.

You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood.

May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have *** with you.

You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile, one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling, meatslapper. On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool.

You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me.

Your attempt at insult was pitiful. Get a clue Mortimer. :roll:

NOW to my sig

Its there becuase day after day i see see America EVERYWHERE! on TV on posters on my computer on my cloths on my food etc...i can choose not to use all these things but in this day and age thats basically impossible.

Someone said its globalisation and they're right, while i do agree with some parts of it i do however resent the American dominance and exploitation of it i.e. 3rd world countries.

I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east, Afghanistan was just something done to keep the people happy. Iraq was first on GWB's list after 9/11 but Collin Powel urged Bush to go to Afghanistan first - this is unsubstantiated but i have read a lot into it and thats my opinion.

American imperialism had been happening since 1945 but recetnly they have started running out of excuses for it: Vietnam(communism, which ran thin after awhile), Panama etc. Taking these countries or manipulating them to make sure the US has control over resources.

So

The USG needs something that will keep the US up there, its economy isn't doing as good as they've liked and they want it to be stronger thus keeping Americans rich...or a richer class of Americans.

Well 9/11! that was a bit of a surprise... but what a stroke of luck...sure 2500 people died but hey if its good for the economy its good for the US of A(after a sharp slide mind you but that was predictable). lets go and consolidate our resources...but now we have an excuse..Operation Enduring Freedom the BIGGEST con of all time.

What did the US get out of Iraq: 600 oil wells and 3 oil refineries, huge contruction contracts(mostly US) Australia and the UK were pushed out of any contracts even though they undertook in the war. The US wants to push Aus out of its wheat trade with Iraq as well.

Imperialsim doesn't just stop or start there.

The US owns nealy all TNC's which have a foothold in nealy every westernised country in the world. The multiplyer effect from tourism has decreased for alot of contries because all the profits go back to the US. workers in 3rd world countries are exploited by TNC's for cheap labour, while you pay $30 for a shirt the costs 30cents to make (i havn't even started on the division of labour yet). You guys ever wonder why they have anti globalisation protests?

TV manipulates people into thinking they want things, food, cars, whatever. People are made to think that of you don't have the latest gear you are uncool, effecting their pysche and such, models who are supposed to look good make us have to fit into a template on how to look...ALL US inventions to sell their products.

And the thing is Americans love it, why? becuase their media and government condition them with movies about killing evil arabs and showa about badass black people who are only going to rob you or try to sell you drugs (COPS the show..one example).

Hell what kind of a country has 11,000 firearm related deaths each year when the closest country behined it has like 700 max? A country where its a right to own a firearm, where movies and TV make it ok to shoot someone.

Watch Bowling for Columbine it backs me up 100% in this last two paragraphs.

I don't expect anyone to agree with what i said but you asked why my sig stated that and questioned the logic behined it....there it is.

[ESCOBAR]

Anyone who is quoting lines from 50 cent lacks credibility to begin with...


So I dont have credibility because I have quoted 50 Cent? DOes this quote bother you.........the hell u sayin **** for? You prolly some rocker dude thats soo bias towards other music you feel to insult me because I have quoted a quote by a rapper.

Your fukkin dumb, why do you even bother to start ****......?

Explain to me how quoting 50 is a lack of credibility.....idiot

[Trigger]

ESCOBAR: It's not that the quote bothers anyone, it's just that, well, 50 cent, and Tupak Shakur aren't really thought of as intellectual GIANTS if you know what I mean. So by quoting them in your sig you kind of equate yourself with their non-hugeness.

Now down to business...
Is it just me or do ESCOBAR's last few posts look strikingly like theGHOSTs recent posts?
Same spelling, same insults, same Tupac quote, etc.
I'm no conspiracy theorist but...I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND OUT IF SOME OF THE TROLLS RUNNING LOOSE IN HERE ARE IN FACT ONE OR TWO MENTAL MIDGETS USING SEVERAL SCREEN NAMES.
Can someone tell me? Anyone? Hood?[/b]

[Vance]

I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east

Of course.....it had NO reason to do with Huessien's mass terror regime.....NOTHING!

*Laugh*

[Seiyuuki]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2788

[ESCOBAR]

Um..........Trigger why dont you go listen to Tupac before you judge, you probaly think he's just some black rapper thats a gangster........ignorance.

You know why the quote looks the same? BECAUSE ITS FROM HIS SONG jeez, i copied and pasted it off a lyrics site. Fukkin people on this forum are soo damn hostile and paranoid. They get soo offended. Wow

I'm offended that you are to judge that Tupac was not an intellectual Giant such ignorance do some research about the man.

[He219]

Mortimer:

And this isn't rude?
The difference with budanski's lambasting is that it was done with wit and eloquence in lieu of your primitive four letter cursing. It achieves a far greater effect...



NOW to my sig
Its there becuase day after day i see see America EVERYWHERE! on TV on posters on my computer on my cloths on my food etc...i can choose not to use all these things but in this day and age thats basically impossible.
Denial of a globalized consumer culture accentuated through accension and adoption of American 'Pop' culture is hardly validation of your rhetoric.



Someone said its globalisation and they're right, while i do agree with some parts of it i do however resent the American dominance and exploitation of it i.e. 3rd world countries.
Globalism is an inherent affirmation of consumer-culture. To claim American expoitation of third world countries is a matter of personal speculation and conjecture. In 19th century England a populus transitioned from an agrarian society into an industrial workforce. Similar semblances of social injustice arose as people transitioned from their rural culture to one defined by urban textile manufacturing and heavy industry. Limited opportunities only amplifies dependence on industrial development. In current day India, Computer Science Engineers and Research Analysts work for a fraction of the pay their western counterparts earn, leading to an eventual free-marked based socio-economic reversal. Globalism is a double edged sword as consumer culture and earnings are 'checked' with the aspirations of a growing international workforce. To brand American Imperialism on this economic interdependence is a sure sign of narrow-mindedness.



I believe that that the only reason the US went into Iraq was for the oil and for the foot hold in the middle east
To think that Saddam's reign in Iraq was inconsequencial would be a foolish assertion. A 'foothold' was also established in Djibuti, Bahrain, and Kuwait. Just as the United States my benefit from direct Iraqi oil sales, it is also the Iraqi people that will benefit with increased production and fiscal independence without France or Russia acting as middlemen and Saddam syphoning enormous sums for weapons procurements and lavish palace building. The aforementioned economic interdependence applies to Iraq as wall the rest of the oil producing Middle Eastern nations who would find themselves as third world nations without the wealth offered through their oil resources.




American imperialism had been happening since 1945
An equally uneducated assertion. American Imperialism can be implied with the Spanish-American War and colonial gains through aquisitions in Guam, the Philipines, Cost Rica and Cuba. To claim that the prevailing ecomomic powerhouse the United States became with stimulus of the Second World War resulted in American Imperialism only reafirms your underachieving xenophobic trepidations.



What did the US get out of Iraq: 600 oil wells and 3 oil refineries, huge contruction contracts(mostly US) Australia and the UK were pushed out of any contracts even though they undertook in the war. The US wants to push Aus out of its wheat trade with Iraq as well.
The US doesn't own Iraq, it's peoples or it's resources but it has secured acces to those oil concessions. The Iraqis stand to reap the greater benefit from unimpeded oil sales to the west until the interdependency is broken through developing alternate energy technologies or global prospecting. The US is aslo financing those reconstruction contracts in the interm.



TV manipulates people into thinking they want things, food, cars, whatever. People are made to think that of you don't have the latest gear you are uncool, effecting their pysche and such, models who are supposed to look good make us have to fit into a template on how to look...ALL US inventions to sell their products.
People are responsible for their own actions and values. To blame the US as influencing consumer culture merely exhonerates an individual's responsibility to exercise fiscal and social discretion.



Hell what kind of a country has 11,000 firearm related deaths each year when the closest country behined it has like 700 max? A country where its a right to own a firearm, where movies and TV make it ok to shoot someone.
Relative statistics compared with a populus of 300 million people. The mass media certainly doesn't dictate personal values and responsibility. An individual chooses to be influenced or finds himself subject to indoctrination by the propaganda of the socialized state.

I take offense to your sig. I could be equally insulting....

"It's amazing to see how Naive Australians (Mortimer) percieve the United States to be - a Wild West, shoot 'em up, Colonial Opressor, denier of international economic redevelopment assistance, semite dominated,
social welfare withholder, warmongering warhawk with Deep Religious convictions against Islam and Aboriginial Cultures - in order to validate their own socialist xenophobic perversions of cultural independence form embracement of American influence."

[a. enders]

The Tupac quote has an interesting point (making war,spending billions,while we have starving people on the Lincoln monument).But the 50 cent quote is false "warrior" BS.(Not as pathetic as Ememinems "I'm a warrior" BS,but gettin' there)
It's like when Ted Nugent (a multi-millionaire from years of "rockin'" in the 70s) made the statement that life isn't "going from a to B,it's what's in the middle".This coming from someone who has no trouble paying his bills,trying to make ends meet with two jobs while going to college.Always rich people who say **** like that.

[Mortimer]

Well He219 i thank you for your insightful post(unlike the other 99%), without providing me with to many examples you have managed to make me think about some of the stuff you have said. As for your last statment there is stuff in there that is true, it doesn't offend me though if thats what your trying to do.

There are a few points that you raised that i disagree with but i'd say there is no point aruging here anymore it is pretty pointless.

I am not here to have a flame war i have a political statement and a belief but its seems i am not aloud to i wish some of you could show i bit more maturity than that.

[Seiyuuki]

I am not here to have a flame war i have a political statement and a belief but its seems i am not aloud to i wish some of you could show i bit more maturity than that.

MATURITY????????????


And budanski you Texas hick, yobbo, white trash piece of **** cowboy you just proved my point lol living in the same state as GWB i bet you'd cop it in the ass from him and his dad.


Seiyuuki stop being a little bitch, your displaying the personaility of a 12yo asian kid who has nothing better to do then play his dumb computer and feel big by insulting people behined it.


lol how does a vietnamese get by living in a hick state such as texas?


its called stereotyping.........I fail to see how that makes me racist.


My immature comment was in reply to BUDANSKI'S IMMATURE COMMENTS WHICH HE WENT IN GREAT LENGTH GO GET ACROSS, SHOWING THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A YOUNG ASIAN KID (somthing which i pointed out about Seiyuuki, and was going to about Budanski but i DIDN'T THINK there were many asians in Texas.)


I'd say Seiyuuki and Budanski wouldn't be above the age of 16, love playing counter-strike and starcraft, maybe Diablo 2 and warcraft? AND LIKE MANY ASIANS LOVE THINGS MILITARY HENCE ARE POSTING HERE. Both probably know nothing about politics and because my sig is to outrages for them(and many others) to understand they have to make sense of it by trying to offend me, they have succeded in a sense. I laugh at your attempt however and by posting a sig like that BUDANSKI you just show how insecure you are, having girl trouble or lack there of? At least i can form my own opions on fact rather than what i think is right.

I laugh at you.


sorry i got your age wrong but you shouldn't have said anything becuase now your a 40 yo dumbass

Thanks for making me think i give americans to much credit, you just proved my generalisations of Texans as well.

And don't worry my self esteem is fine, tell me do you like being a fish salesman... ?
but i know your answer is yes, how could your typical "American" attitude let you admit to me you didn't?


yeah lol i wish i was a Texan/American......... soooo baadd that way i can be really arrogant and think that i am soo damn good while f*** over the rest of the world!

Yeah and then i can make stupid posts like Merik and usa320 and Vance! you guys are sooo smart i envy you.

And then i can go to Texas and let GWB f*** me in the ass like Budanksi and seiyuuki the sexy parrot!

[ESCOBAR]

How did a post about George Bush's lil cuppage there turn into this big ARUGMENT..........holy ****.

[Mortimer]

Yeah maturity about me have my sig without being ridiculed for it, i don't attack people for their sigs....and there are heaps that i could for.

I don't make personal attacks in my sigs and i havn't started any flame wars, you and Budanski did. Get over it.

You have taken everything i have said out of context when i put bloody dislcaimers down the bottom of my posts(not the sig). I am allowed to think and SAY what i like, as are you, its somethign you americans are fighting so righteously for i'd have thought you'd have promoted it, but day after day i see people being abused for their comments for the sole reason that the other person disagrees.

I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.

[Merik]

its somethign you americans are fighting so righteously for

Well that explains it all. Hes not even American, no wonder he has a problem with us. :backhand:

[Vance]

Mortimer, you knew damn well what you were doing when you chose that sig. This place is run by pro-Bush and pro-war military dudes, and you come in here with that sig? It's like gasoline next to the fire. And you know it.

[budanski]

Yeah maturity about me have my sig without being ridiculed for it, i don't attack people for their sigs....and there are heaps that i could for.

I don't make personal attacks in my sigs and i havn't started any flame wars, you and Budanski did. Get over it.

You have taken everything i have said out of context when i put bloody dislcaimers down the bottom of my posts(not the sig). I am allowed to think and SAY what i like, as are you, its somethign you americans are fighting so righteously for i'd have thought you'd have promoted it, but day after day i see people being abused for their comments for the sole reason that the other person disagrees.




http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

lol idiots
GWB and Budanski btw

Come to think of it, your first post of the thread actually exudes in maturity and nonconfrontational. :roll:


I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.

Fortunately for you, I changed my sig on my own a few days ago but if you feel the need to silence others with their freedom to express, go right ahead. hypocrite.

[Seiyuuki]

I don't make personal attacks in my sigs and i havn't started any flame wars, you and Budanski did. Get over it.



http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

lol idiots
GWB and Budanski btw


I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.


I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.

p-)

[a. enders]

Why does anyone jave to change their sigs,again?

*stirring the pot with a great wooden spork*

[hood]

People can say whatever they want in their sig as long as it doesn't take up half the screen (staring blatantly at Seiyuuki). He's choosing to make that statement with every one of his posts. He doesn't seem to have a problem with people letting him know how they feel each time he says anything. :) Not to belittle your post He219, but you really sounded like the architect in the recent matrix sequel. :)

[Mortimer]

I don't make personal attacks in my sigs and i havn't started any flame wars, you and Budanski did. Get over it.



http://www.noisedesignlab.com/gag/photos/bush.jpg

lol idiots
GWB and Budanski btw


I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.


I am not going to shut up i am not going to leave this forum and i am not going to change my sig, i will however ask you to change yours and if not i will ask Hood to get you to.

p-)

Yeah i wrote that post AFTER i saw Budanski's sig calling Me an idiot

[hood]

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[Seiyuuki]

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Merik]

For a second I thought to myself.....How did he do that? :backhand:

[Trigger]

"Hood: The Artist Within" - a Lifetime documentary rofl

[He219]

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rofl Fantastic!

[=75th=RANGER]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/images/harassment_emoticon.gif
....^^....
Ranger


*edited by admin to fit within the time allotted and to fit your television screen*

[USAF G]

Man, what a tremandous waste of space and time that was!

[JiJoMacLE45]

What happened in my life that I managed to remain univolved in this thread.

Thanks for lightening the mood Hood, that was hilarious.

Escobar, I'll go to bat for Trig here when I say quoting 2Pac and Fitty(cause dat be how we say dat sh*t yo!) might not be the best way to wax philosophic, but if it works for you dude, I'll get over it.

USAF G, my sentiments exactly.

[ESCOBAR]

JiJoMacLE45 what are you a racist now? You fukking fag, your soo fukkin ignorant DO SOME FUKKING RESEARCH ON 2PAC BEFORE YOU JUDGE fo real.

I really liked to know where u from..........probaly from some white suburban town. Fukkin trash.

I cant believe your ignorance you probaly think he's just some rapper/actor who made millions cant say anything thats political........ fo real.

Fukkin idiot

[Mortimer]

They are stereotyping......just like i did, but when they do it, its ok.

hypocritical if you ask me

[Vance]

Wait, Jijo is a racist? What part of your ass did you pull that out from?

[hood]

so eh.. instead of saying what tupac did, you'd rather just call him a racist for words that I can't for the life of me figure out how they're racist. all he said was that he doesn't feel they're saying anything original or substantive...


"It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East Instead of war on poverty"------Tupac Shakur.

The war on the street was apparently talking about himself seeing as he was gunned down, twice. The second time killing him. He was big on inter-record label rivalries which often turned violent. It would seem that his preaching is rather hypocritical. Enlighten me if this is untrue.


"People that live, that are afraid to die, die not knowing what its like to live" ---------------50 Cent

This is hardly an original quote. Another famous one is "All men die, but only some truly live."


I think the biggest problem with such things is that they make statements, but do nothing and offer nothing to fix the problem. What did tupac offer as the solutions to the problems which he mentions? Did he use his money to make a difference? I'm genuinely curious and hope that you'll enlighten us.

[Mortimer]

what about this musical quote?

I think this one is pretty similar to the Tupac lyrics...

"Manufacturing consent is the name of the game
The bottom line is money nobody gives a ****
4000 hungry children leave us per hour from starvation
while billions are spent on bombs creating death showers."
- System of a Down

;)

[ESCOBAR]

Um Hood 2pac aint talkin about himself, 2pac is talking about what happens on the STREETS in the UNITED STATES. 2pac rapped about Political things not **** that he owned.

I find it naive that you say Pac was talkin about himself. LOOK what happens on your streets, look at L.A, QUEENS, BROOKLYN, MIAMI etc. How many projects does the UNITED STATES have until Politicians realize there must be a change? 2pac is making a statement of all of the problems that there are in the homefront.

READ AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS before you judge because he was making millions.

2pac didnt really have a rivalry with other record labels, he had beef with people from the EAST COAST, he didnt believe the **** they rapped such as people from Mobb Deep, Biggie Smallz, Mase etc.

Before all this beef 2pac was more of a political rapper, rapping about what he see's what has happened to him and problems that run in his country.


Eventually his beef led to his death, its sad 2pac was leader, a role model an example of someone trying to make a difference.

[Trigger]

theGHOST...er, I mean ESCOBAR, er, whatever identity you are today:
How typical, someone (JiJo) responds with SATIRE (look it up, because you obviously don't know what it is) and you come back with the standard ghetto 'you must be a f'ing racist whitey MF'er from the suburbs'. YOU COULD AT LEAST BE ORIGINAL, but like you said, you have Tupac for a leader/role model, so I guess that explains it.
A little friendly advice, learn some proper grammar and spelling, people will probably take you seriously.

Shout out to my brutha JiJo:
EAST SIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!
p-)

[JiJoMacLE45]

Escobar, I'll take my time on this one and spell it out b/c if I were to hit hard and fast, you might get confused. Okay, here we go. Now this is just me personnally, but if I am going to quote others on their opinions of the state of world and side with those opinions as the way I feel, than I could think of a laundry list of those with a bit more substantial experience then a *** offender and a crack dealer. Sure they sell millions of records, so does N Sync, but I don't think I want Justin Timberlake dictating to me the way I should feel about the world. I form those opinions on my own. That's pretty clever that Escobar handle, you think you're Nas. Well, you can hate me now. As far as me being a racist from a white suburb, talk to some of the people on this board who know a little about my background, (Trigger, Chops, Duke) and I'm sure they'll you just how overwhelmingly racist I really am. So twizzle on my shizzle.

And since were quotting song lyrics I think this little ditty encapsulates the feelings of those on this board who have dealt with your type before.
"Welcome To Where Time Stands Still
No One Leaves and No One Will"

Thanks Vance, Hood, and Trig. JiJo peacing out up this mutha for real.

[USAF G]

I hate to be Mr etiquette here, but no one "street" says, "shout out" anymore. Don't you guys watch the Essence Awards? It's "Holla!" (that would be holler to any non-street folks out there) p-)

[ESCOBAR]

Wow...................WHITE TRASH...................

[Trigger]

Thanks G, I must be getting old. :oops:

So twizzle on my shizzle
I think it's ****ounced 'shizznizzle'

[JiJoMacLE45]

Let the games begin now that we are all present and accounted for.

[Trigger]

Wow...........CANADIAN RETARD............

Actually I'm impressed. No spelling errors on that last one.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Oh, he's Canadian, well that explains it. And I'm white trash from the burbs. Canada is the USA's suburb.

[hood]

So Escobar, it's ok to use sterotypical and homophobic insults as long as you're the one slinging it, and not if it's coming in your direction. I see.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Go Hood, it's your birthday.

[gaboki]

this topic needs to be closed its just a big flaming match

[ESCOBAR]

Um, only white trash would be saying **** like shinizzle, and east side like dat specially since dey aint black.

I aint from no fukkin suburb in Canada idiots.

[USAF G]

:petting:

[JiJoMacLE45]

If you were from the ghetto Escobar, I think your access to a computer might be a tad limited. At least in my experience with housing projects and low income, assisted living communities. But then again?

[Trigger]

um, ESCOBAR, um, theGHOST-, um, Tupac- whatever...

um, you're just pissed because I 'outed' you.


saying **** like shinizzle, and east side like dat specially since dey aint black.

In case no one told you, just because you speak in ebonics doesn't mean you have to spell in ebonics.


I aint from no fukkin suburb in Canada idiots.
...riiiiiiiiight, you straight out 'da hood aint'cha!

Pull up your pants, turn your hat around and get a life.

[Merik]

:cantbeli:

[Duke]

ESCOBAR Por Favor--shut the fvck up.

Eventually his beef led to his death, its sad 2pac was leader, a role model an example of someone trying to make a difference.
Tupac embraced the gang culture, glorified its death and desruction on the inner cities, and made mad loot from it. You live by the sword... Furthermore, a role model for who? Thugs and criminals. If he was a role model, he would pointed out the tragedy of thug living and lived a life totally opposed to thug living. Instead of simply rapping about ganstas.

[ESCOBAR]

Duke fo real you dont ****, have you actually listened to his music or you listen what the media says about him?

[ESCOBAR]

I never said i was from the ghetto idiot, but im not from the suburbs like ya'll.

[Duke]

...you dont ****....
Actually, my peristalsis is great--can do numero uno y numero dos without pain or discomfort.
Also, I don't need the media to understand lyrics or form an opinion of a gangsta style artist.

[USAF G]

Escobar,

Maybe if you took the time to write in complete sentences, using good grammer, everyone would take your arguments a bit more seriously. Just a suggestion. ;) In the mean time, keep gettin' shizzy wit da nizzy, holmes. rofl

[duck]

I remember listening to one of Tupacs posthumous albums a few years ago on a trip to Asia. His "philosophy" and "slogans" did not really impress me. I even interpreted them as pseudo-intellectual BS making his audience feel easier to blame everyone but themselves for everything gone wrong in their lives. I'd prefer Guru/Gangstarr.

[Mortimer]

What music do you guys like?????

.... :fork:

[hood]

Anything that's on the soundtrack to 'Richard Simmons: Sweatin' to the Oldies'

[Seiyuuki]

rofl rofl rofl rofl

Breaking the circle of debate...moving on...to other pointless thing...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/cvn-75-washdown.jpg

Is this an NBC wash-down drill? or an emergency sprinkler system? or both?

Another thing, rare view of an AH-64D Longbow...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/ah-64_crashed_775986.jpg

???????????????

[usa320]

As someone who grew up in New York, i can tell you folks that ESCOBAR hasnt seen ghetto.

[a. enders]

Hey...Didn't he have Toronto in his location before?Eh?And it's funny you deride the suburbs as that's almost certainly where most of his sales went.Rich white kids buying it because it makes them look cool.(Note:These have morphed into the rich kids who have mom and dad buy an import,then spend three times its cost on stickers,body kits,and ****can mufflers.They put a wing on a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAR!){End Rant}

And Tupac ain't dead,he lives with Elvis and Marilyn in the Big Foot mansion.Geeze....doesn't anyone know anything?

[hood]

well since this thread has gone completely to hell, I'll mention the following:

Tupac was shot in the groin in the first murder attempt on him, after which a friend of mine said:

Did ya hear Tupac changed his name after someone tried to kill him? He's calling himself Onepac now.

[Seiyuuki]

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[ESCOBAR]

Tupac got shot in the head idiot, and Toronto isnt a suburb dumbass.

1 i've never said im from the Ghetto, 2 I live in Queens in the summer you idiot so dont be telling me i've never seen the ghetto you fukking ignorant bitch.

Fo real ya'll are probaly fukking scronny lil nerds that think they know so much **** about the Military and ya'll want to join but will never make it cause its not like it was in the video game.

[Seiyuuki]

Fo real ya'll are probaly fukking scronny lil nerds that think they know so much **** about the Military and ya'll want to join but will never make it cause its not like it was in the video game.

Please don't turn into another millhouse.

[duck]

Even if Tupac was too stupid to not to get involved into a "gangsta" rapper pissing contest and get shot, he still remains a middle-class ghetto wanna-be, just like the majority of his audience. I guess the most authenthic been ghetto-done drugs-atmosphere can be caught at a USMC or army boot camp.

I met the entourage of a U.S rap star once in Tokyo. Hehehe, they were concentrating so hard on backstage bunny search they did not have time for any statements on international solidarity.

[usa320]

Queens is a beautiful area compared to the Bronx or Harlem...

[a. enders]

Oh no.He called us nerds.Ouch.It hurts.Stop the pain,stop it.It's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black,ain't it?Writing in faux "ebonics" is bad enough.Just being a flatout idiot,well...that's another thing.I salute you,proud moron.

[usa320]

We shouldnt harshly judge ESCOBAR until the offical results of the poll are....oh wait, the results are in:

whoops, results arent availbile because:

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay9.gif


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

sorry...couldnt freakin resist.

[Andyman]

Fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
Even if you win you're still a retard :cantbeli:

All you typer fighters need to chill out its rediculous. Think about the pointlessness of what you're doing clearly noones point is being made so why dont one of you do the intelligent thing realize the rediculousness of the situation and let whatever the other guy said slide. It's fuuny the gravity that some people will go to just to say I'm right. The major world complications can be seen evident in the conversations of a few people on the internet. In laymens terms what is the ****ing point, cut it out :slap:

[Walle]

And what have we learned from all this?

"Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their own level and beat you with experience."

Trust me, I'm from sweden... ;)

[Knave]

Fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
Even if you win you're still a retard :cantbeli:


I think that the classic graphic says it a bit better, though;

http://freespace.morat.net/hellbent/retard.jpg

;)