UNSC without India "anachronism":

[sujithkochi]

New Delhi (PTI): Pitching for a greater role for New Delhi in world affairs, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Saturday termed "anachronism" the UN Security Council without India as a permanent member.

"A UNSC without India as a permanent member is an anachronism. An IMF or a World Bank without a proper role for India will no longer do," Blair said addressing the Hindustan Times Leadership Summit here.

However, he was quick to sound a word of caution saying that "with power comes responsibility" and India could have people knocking at her doors not to seek opinions, but to hear answers.

"But, beware one thing: with the power will come the responsibility. Of a sudden, you will find the expectation that you will, in partnership with others, lead the world; so you will be able to solve its problems.
"It is an exciting prospect, but also a daunting one. Ask America, or increasingly, China," he said.

The Labour party leader was optimistic that the world's largest democracy, which has "come so far" over the last 60 years, has a "spring in its step" and would rise to the challenge.

"The poverty for millions remains. But those that have escaped it, and can lead others to do so, those who here and round the world are evidence of the dynamism, enterprise and ingenuity of the Indian people, show what the true spirit of India can do.
"Such a spirit will design your future. And that future will shine bright," Blair said.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200811221721.htm

[MG 3]

And i thought that India was going to get in be with Master Chief.

On a more serious note, Tony is just trying to get some sparkle on him again, India has bigger players supporting it on the UN issue.

[tyovan]

Much as I dislike them both, if India gets on UNSC - Pakistan will have an absolute ****fit..
Furthermore, if India comes on - where do we draw the line? Germany, Japan, Z Afrika, Brazil??

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Much as I dislike them both, if India gets on UNSC - Pakistan will have an absolute ****fit..
Furthermore, if India comes on - where do we draw the line? Germany, Japan, Z Afrika, Brazil??

India has the second highest population in the world and projected to surpass China in the future,
it's not really logical to give them "minority" rights.


Additionally, why the heck is India even committing troops to the UN if this is the respect we get?

[Eventine]

I agree with India in the UNSC.

But then, I also agree that Britain and France should not both hold a seat, and I think most people with a fair view of modern geopolitics would argue that a drastic restructuring of the UNSC is needed.

Organizations either adapt to the times, or they become obsolete. Just as the G8 is being replaced by the G20, the UNSC needs to restructure, or be replaced.

[sujithkochi]

true - present day UNSC is obsolete.

Change We Need :)

[hskywalker]

;3712978']India has the second highest population in the world and projected to surpass China in the future,
it's not really logical to give them "minority" rights.


Additionally, why the heck is India even committing troops to the UN if this is the respect we get?
India should not commit troops to the UN at all unless for its own interest.
I think india is falling in traps sending warships to fight the somalia pirates.For african countries it creates a aggressive image like former colonial powers.And for the west, india is still india.Democracy or not.
Of course the pirates should be killed, but let usa,uk,france to do the job.

[ksquarekumar]

Much as I dislike them both, if India gets on UNSC - Pakistan will have an absolute ****fit..
Furthermore, if India comes on - where do we draw the line? Germany, Japan, Z Afrika, Brazil??

u need not draw the line , coz u are not capable of doing so.
there are other people who are more sensible and intelligent than u are,
and they hv the capacity to look into it.


Let me remind u...
More people hate the USA.

[sujithkochi]

Much as I dislike them both, if India gets on UNSC - Pakistan will have an absolute ****fit..
Furthermore, if India comes on - where do we draw the line? Germany, Japan, Z Afrika, Brazil??

Its not India's problem if Pakistan has issues in India getting UNSC seat.

And if u r so ignorant abt present world realities, pls do us a favour - stop posting just for the sake of it.

FYI - there is already a reform going on to include more permanent members and the countries u quoted - Germany, Japan, Brazil & India are expected to be included in the permament members list. So pls - u dont draw a line anywhere, let more informed ppl do those

[tyovan]

It appears the only people disagreeing with me are Indians themselves.

There appears to be two counter-points to me: population size and the contributions to UN peacekeeping operations.

World's Most Populous Nations
1. PRC
2. India
3. USA
4. Indonesia
5. Brazil
6. Pakistan
7. Bangladesh
8. Nigeria
9. Russia
10. Japan

UN Troop Contributing Nations - Oct 2008
1. Pakistan
2. Bangladesh
3. India
4. Nepal
5. Nepal
6. Ghana
7. Jordan
8. Rwanda
9. Italy
10. Uruguay

Population wise, if India gets onto the UNSC - then nations like Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, and Nigeria can raise legitimate issues regarding their own UNSC membership. Pakistan also would have reason to stake its claim to SC membership due to its peacekeeping contributions. Other Indian members have made an issue of India's UN troop contributions, yet Pakistan is contributing even more than you.

Furthermore, no other permanent Security Council member has long-standing border disputes and a recent history of major wars with its next-door neighbor, who also happens to be nuclear-armed. South Asia remains extremely unstable, not only due to communal problems, but also due to the unresolved issue of Kashmir.

I think it is politically very dangerous for the Security Council to grant India a seat without granting Pakistan a seat. Due to the basket-case that Pakistan is, I don't want them having a seat. India has a better claim to it due to economic clout.

If India can peacefully resolve the Kashmir issue and can enforce the rule of law within its borders regarding communal violence, then a UNSC permanent seat could definitely be supported. India has made progress, but she still has a long way to go.

[ksquarekumar]

It appears the only people disagreeing with me are Indians themselves.

There appears to be two counter-points to me: population size and the contributions to UN peacekeeping operations.

World's Most Populous Nations
1. PRC
2. India
3. USA
4. Indonesia
5. Brazil
6. Pakistan
7. Bangladesh
8. Nigeria
9. Russia
10. Japan

UN Troop Contributing Nations - Oct 2008
1. Pakistan
2. Bangladesh
3. India
4. Nepal
5. Nepal
6. Ghana
7. Jordan
8. Rwanda
9. Italy
10. Uruguay

Population wise, if India gets onto the UNSC - then nations like Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, and Nigeria can raise legitimate issues regarding their own UNSC membership. Pakistan also would have reason to stake its claim to SC membership due to its peacekeeping contributions. Other Indian members have made an issue of India's UN troop contributions, yet Pakistan is contributing even more than you.

Furthermore, no other permanent Security Council member has long-standing border disputes and a recent history of major wars with its next-door neighbor, who also happens to be nuclear-armed. South Asia remains extremely unstable, not only due to communal problems, but also due to the unresolved issue of Kashmir.

I think it is politically very dangerous for the Security Council to grant India a seat without granting Pakistan a seat. Due to the basket-case that Pakistan is, I don't want them having a seat. India has a better claim to it due to economic clout.

If India can peacefully resolve the Kashmir issue and can enforce the rule of law within its borders regarding communal violence, then a UNSC permanent seat could definitely be supported. India has made progress, but she still has a long way to go.

First of all, it seems that the way u r talking, the key 2 UNSC seats lies in ur hands.:roll::roll:
opinions of people like u do not count. stop being so ignorant.

indians were the first to encounter ur views bcoz, u were against ours.

China has issues with tibet and xinjiang , she is also the mother proliferator.
so why china?? They have border disputes with Vietnam, Mongolia, Russia, and India. China threatens to obliterate Taiwan if it declares Independence.
They hv one of the worst Human Rights records.

Russia has disputes with chechnya, and also with georgia regarding abkhazia and S. Ossetia.

Britain had disputes over ireland, yet they never gave it way or declared it independent.

The point is that it is very hard for a nation to give away it's territory, no matter what the consequences it can lead to. It is much easier said than done. esp. for people like u.

it is not a piece of cake.

and india is campaigning alongwith Germany, Brazil and Japan.


And India is miles ahead of Pakistan.do not couple pakistan with India.
if u do not believe me , come and visit both of the countries.
u will soon know.

it is like comparing Mexico with the USA.

[mwe]

First of all, it seems that the way u r talking, the key 2 UNSC seats lies in ur hands.:roll::roll:
opinions of people like u do not count. stop being so ignorant.
indians were the first to encounter ur views bcoz, u were against ours.
China has issues with tibet and xinjiang , she is also the mother proliferator.
so why china?? They have border disputes with Vietnam, Mongolia, Russia, and India. China threatens to obliterate Taiwan if it declares Independence.
They hv one of the worst Human Rights records.
Russia has disputes with chechnya, and also with georgia regarding abkhazia and S. Ossetia.
Britain had disputes over ireland, yet they never gave it way or declared it independent.
The point is that it is very hard for a nation to give away it's territory, no matter what the consequences it can lead to. It is much easier said than done. esp. for people like u.
it is not a piece of cake.
and india is campaigning alongwith Germany, Brazil and Japan.
And India is miles ahead of Pakistan.do not couple pakistan with India.
if u do not believe me , come and visit both of the countries.
u will soon know.
it is like comparing Mexico with the USA.

India, for all of the totally undeserved hype, is a third world nation with low literacy, internal strife, high poverty and a poor toilet to person ratio; the SC is fine without it all jokes aside.

As for the Pakistan-India = Mexico-USA - not even close more like Ethiopia and Eritrea.

[ksquarekumar]

India, for all of the totally undeserved hype, is a third world nation with low literacy, internal strife, high poverty and a poor toilet to person ratio; the SC is fine without it all jokes aside.

As for the Pakistan-India = Mexico-USA - not even close more like Ethiopia and Eritrea.

u r a sick man.
get urself some pills.

i think we are here for some responsible disscussion, and not just sarcastic blabbering.

i pity on u and ur education. behave like an educated person.

[mwe]

u r a sick man.
get urself some pills.
i think we are here for some responsible disscussion, and not just sarcastic blabbering.
i pity on u and ur education. behave like an educated person.

I am serious, India is not some first world nation with world wide influence. For all the self importance it is a third world nation with third world problems, including armed uprisings in the countryside. And use proper spelling please; it makes things easier.

[mwe]

u need not draw the line , coz u are not capable of doing so.
there are other people who are more sensible and intelligent than u are,
and they hv the capacity to look into it.
Let me remind u...
More people hate the USA.

What on earth does people hating America have to do with India in the SC?

[derkrieger]

what is this? delusion of grandeur??

[ksquarekumar]

there are some members her who hate India.
Read properly and u will find the explicit comment.

it hurts....

[ksquarekumar]

all those armed uprisings u r talking about are taking place in the north east.
these insurgents are maoists.
they are supported and encouraged by china.

it is evident frm the fact that all their weapons (even the bullets) are chinese, made by the the government factories. they also hv their seals on them.

it is also supported by the fact that china has been silent on this issue.

[sujithkochi]

I am serious, India is not some first world nation with world wide influence. For all the self importance it is a third world nation with third world problems, including armed uprisings in the countryside. And use proper spelling please; it makes things easier.

i suggest u to read abt whats happening ard u - it will make u know the realities. no one claims India is a first world nation. but if u say it has no world wide influence, u r so ignorant.

may b reading the other threads in mp.net itself wud b sufficient to make things clear to u

[sujithkochi]

What on earth does people hating America have to do with India in the SC?

read the msg on which he was replying and then u will understand it has nothing to do with UNSC but with some ****head with a hat saying he hates India

[mwe]

i suggest u to read abt whats happening ard u - it will make u know the realities. no one claims India is a first world nation. but if u say it has no world wide influence, u r so ignorant.

may b reading the other threads in mp.net itself wud b sufficient to make things clear to u

English; work on it. If you are going to call someone ignorant at least use proper spelling.

And India is a third world nation, with a low literacy rate, insurgencies, rampant poverty, childhood malnutrition, a toilet gap, and ringed by people who aren't terribly fond of it. India, in theory, has more important things to worry about rather then pretending to be some shot caller. Or they could just keep discussing the possibility of painting the fence.

[tyovan]

read the msg on which he was replying and then u will understand it has nothing to do with UNSC but with some ****head with a hat saying he hates India

Oohhhhh, getting personal. I'm shaking in my ushanka!

English - that thing the evil British Empire gave your civilization.. learn how to comprehend it. ;)

I never said I hated India. I don't like them, and I don't support a UNSC permanent seat for them at this time.


Much as I dislike them both, if India gets on UNSC - Pakistan will have an absolute ****fit..


I think it is politically very dangerous for the Security Council to grant India a seat without granting Pakistan a seat. Due to the basket-case that Pakistan is, I don't want them having a seat. India has a better claim to it due to economic clout.

Now where do I say I hate India??



The biggest problem with India is idiotic Hindu nationalists like you. You're keeping your own country and your own people down.

[dredger14]

It appears the only people disagreeing with me are Indians themselves.

There appears to be two counter-points to me: population size and the contributions to UN peacekeeping operations.

World's Most Populous Nations
1. PRC
2. India
3. USA
4. Indonesia
5. Brazil
6. Pakistan
7. Bangladesh
8. Nigeria
9. Russia
10. Japan

UN Troop Contributing Nations - Oct 2008
1. Pakistan
2. Bangladesh
3. India
4. Nepal
5. Nepal
6. Ghana
7. Jordan
8. Rwanda
9. Italy
10. Uruguay

Population wise, if India gets onto the UNSC - then nations like Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, and Nigeria can raise legitimate issues regarding their own UNSC membership(1). Pakistan also would have reason to stake its claim to SC membership due to its peacekeeping contributions. Other Indian members have made an issue of India's UN troop contributions, yet Pakistan is contributing even more than you.(2)

(1) Your delusional logic is so warped that I don't even feel like refuting it.
(2)LOL then why is the US,China , uk , france and russia in the UN-bull**** arguement again

Furthermore, no other permanent Security Council member has long-standing border disputes and a recent history of major wars with its next-door neighbor(3), who also happens to be nuclear-armed. South Asia remains extremely unstable(4), not only due to communal problems, but also due to the unresolved issue of Kashmir.

(3) Chechnya, tibet, taiwan etc-etc
(4) Only nuclear armed unstable country in south asia is pakistan. India has no history whatsoever of proliferation like China & the Usa


I think it is politically very dangerous for the Security Council to grant India a seat without granting Pakistan a seat. Due to the basket-case that Pakistan is, I don't want them having a seat. India has a better claim to it due to economic clout.(5)

(5) Another poor attempt to lump india in pakistan's category- though it makes sense from where you are coming from.

If India can peacefully resolve the Kashmir issue(6) and can enforce the rule of law within its borders regarding communal violence(7), then a UNSC permanent seat could definitely be supported. India has made progress, but she still has a long way to go.
(6) It is pretty clear cut to people that are aware of the "Kashmir Issue" and who needs to do the resolving
(7) You don't know **** about India or its problems why don't you use your free time gathering petitions to seal the mexican border and think about ways of getting out of the financial crunch.

[dredger14]

Oohhhhh, getting personal. I'm shaking in my ushanka!

English - that thing the evil British Empire gave your civilization.. learn how to comprehend it. ;)--> apart from syphilis, poverty, crop seizures, excessive taxation, man-made famines and yes pakistan and the kashmir problem.

I never said I hated India. I don't like them, and I don't support a UNSC permanent seat for them at this time.


Your hatred?dislike doesn't mean anything to India/Indians, the least you can do is put up valid arguments instead of the typical "dirty- 3rd world imbeciles" arguments you make on every post related to India.


Now where do I say I hate India??



The biggest problem with India is idiotic Hindu nationalists like you. You're keeping your own country and your own people down. --> use that same logic for your ancestors and those stranded hurricane victims(sitting in new england sure must've seemed cosy then), they did the same if not far worse to people that weren't even their own. the truth is that none of us are perfect and every country has a dirty past/present

[dredger14]

English; work on it. If you are going to call someone ignorant at least use proper spelling.

And India is a third world nation, with a low literacy rate, insurgencies, rampant poverty, childhood malnutrition, a toilet gap, and ringed by people who aren't terribly fond of it. India, in theory, has more important things to worry about rather then pretending to be some shot caller. Or they could just keep discussing the possibility of painting the fence.


And so is China--Stop being such a hypocritical troll chum. If you argue at least keep the bias aside

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

There appears to be two counter-points to me: population size and the contributions to UN peacekeeping operations.

I wasn't basing my statement of India being the the security council through it's military assistance


Population wise, if India gets onto the UNSC - then nations like Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, and Nigeria can raise legitimate issues regarding their own UNSC membership.

Brazil, sure, they're also one of the growing economic powers,
and let's not forget the politcal role they play for the South American continent.

I am for Brazil being a member of the security council too.
---
Pakistan, Indonesia, and Nigeria do not have the same population and growing economic status as the two stated.
Additionally, I have no doubt that UN members will commit if one country pulls it's troops from the UN.

Which is also why I want Indian troops out of the UN if we aren't going to get membership in the security council.


Furthermore, no other permanent Security Council member has long-standing border disputes and a recent history of major wars with its next-door neighbor, who also happens to be nuclear-armed.

But India hasn't been the aggressor since disputably the 1947 war,
India additionally showed it's capability of controlling itself during the Kargil War.
We had the perfect opportunity and justification to launch major operations within Pakistan, but didn't.

Additionally both countries have a no-first-use policy


South Asia remains extremely unstable, not only due to communal problems, but also due to the unresolved issue of Kashmir.

....and this is different from the People's Republic and East Turkestan?


I think it is politically very dangerous for the Security Council to grant India a seat without granting Pakistan a seat. Due to the basket-case that Pakistan is, I don't want them having a seat. India has a better claim to it due to economic clout.

I don't have issue with Pakistan having a seat,
I'm from Himachal Pradesh bro, which means I'm more mellow and universal than other Indian members of MP.


If India can peacefully resolve the Kashmir issue and can enforce the rule of law within its borders regarding communal violence, then a UNSC permanent seat could definitely be supported. India has made progress, but she still has a long way to go.

Are you serious?
You're asking us to peacefully resolve Kashmiri separatists/Pakistani nationalists spurred on by radical Islam,
additionally the fact that America's "war on terror" has sent terrorist from Afghanistan east into Pakistan isn't helping bring moderates into the region.


And India is a third world nation

What definition of third world are you using?
Anyways, China is on par with India as it's a lower-middle income nation.
Now if you're talking about HDI then yes India is in the medium range,
but this really shouldn't be a factor as Brazil has a higher HDI than the People's Republic.
- So using a country's HDI is essentially void.

[mwe]

And so is China--Stop being such a hypocritical troll chum. If you argue at least keep the bias aside

China is already in and fills the quota of third world poverty and lots of people.

Leave your bias. You can get mad, throw a fit, cry, and what have you; doesn't change the facts. India will still be a third world nation, with a low literacy rate, insurgencies, rampant poverty, childhood malnutrition, a toilet gap, and ringed by people who aren't terribly fond of it. And who on earth will dilute their own influence by adding in India?

Putting up troops; the UN pays people which is a nice way to bring in cash, which is why the top ten providers of troops are poor nations. Stop putting up troops and there goes the money they were bringing in, it's not going to show evil Americans.

India is not getting in the SC anytime soon, missed the boat sixty years ago. Deal with it.

Go back to discussing the possibility of looking into painting the fence.

[sujithkochi]

English; work on it. If you are going to call someone ignorant at least use proper spelling.



can u pls be my language teacher and let me know where i used wrong spellings? thank u

[Ghorkhali]

India, for all of the totally undeserved hype, is a third world nation with low literacy, internal strife, high poverty and a poor toilet to person ratio; the SC is fine without it all jokes aside.

As for the Pakistan-India = Mexico-USA - not even close more like Ethiopia and Eritrea.
Dude I think u need to know these facts too


The number system was invented by India. Aryabhatta was the scientist who invented the digit zero.

Sanskrit is considered as the mother of all higher languages. This is because it is the most precise, and therefore suitable language for computer software. ( a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987 ).





Chess was invented in India.

Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies which originated in India.



The' place value system' and the 'decimal system' were developed in 100 BC in India.








The World's First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara temple at Tanjavur in Tamil Nadu. The shikhara is made from a single ' 80-tonne ' piece of granite. Also, this magnificient temple was built in just five years, (between 1004 AD and 1009 AD) during the reign of Rajaraja Chola


India is.......the Largest democracy in the world, the 6th largest country in the world AND one of the most ancient and living civilizations (at least 10, 000 years old).



The game of snakes & ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called 'Mokshapat.' The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices. The game was played with cowrie shells and dices. Later through time, the game underwent several modifications but the meaning is the same i.e good deeds take us to heaven and evil to a cycle of re-births.


The world's highest cricket ground is in Chail, Himachal Pradesh.
Built in 1893 after levelling a hilltop, this cricket pitch is 2444 meters above sea level.

India has the most post offices in the world !


The largest employer in the world is the Indian railway system, employing over a million people !.



The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.



Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The father of medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.



Although modern images & descriptions of India often show poverty, India was one of the richest countries till the time of British in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus was attracted by India's wealth and was looking for route to India when he discovered America by mistake.



The art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh 6000 over years ago. The very word 'Navigation' is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word 'Nou'.



Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. His calculations was - Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: ( 5th century ) 365.258756484 days.





The value of "pi" was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, which was long before the European mathematicians.





Algebra, trigonometry and calculus also orignated from India. Quadratic equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 ( i.e 10 to the power of 53 ) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C. during the Vedic period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera: 10*12( 10 to the power of 12 ).





Until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to the world. ( Source . Gemological Institute of America )


The Baily Bridge is the highest bridge in the world. It is located in the Ladakh valley between the Dras and Suru rivers in the Himalayan mountains. It was built by the Indian Army in August 1982.




Sushruta is regarded as the father of surgery. Over 2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones and also plastic surgery and brain surgeries.

Usage of anesthesia was well known in ancient India medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism, physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.




"What makes a nation, is the past, what justifies one nation against others is the past", says the noted historian Eric Hobsbawm.

Hence, when talking of a nation, it becomes very imperative that the past should also be talked about. And the past of India is as fascinating and interesting as it is momentous.

QUOTES ABOUT INDIA:

Albert Einstein said: We owe a lot to the
Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could
have been made.
Mark Twain said: India is the cradle of the
human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother
of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great
grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most
structive materials in the history of man are treasured
up in India only.
French scholar Romain Rolland said: If there is
one place on the face of earth where all
the dreams of living men have found a home from
the very earliest days when man began the dream
of existence, it is India.
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said:
India conquered And dominated China culturally
for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single
soldier across her border.


..... I have more facts to open ur eyes

[sujithkochi]

China is already in and fills the quota of third world poverty and lots of people.

Leave your bias. You can get mad, throw a fit, cry, and what have you; doesn't change the facts. India will still be a third world nation, with a low literacy rate, insurgencies, rampant poverty, childhood malnutrition, a toilet gap, and ringed by people who aren't terribly fond of it. And who on earth will dilute their own influence by adding in India?

Putting up troops; the UN pays people which is a nice way to bring in cash, which is why the top ten providers of troops are poor nations. Stop putting up troops and there goes the money they were bringing in, it's not going to show evil Americans.

India is not getting in the SC anytime soon, missed the boat sixty years ago. Deal with it.

Go back to discussing the possibility of looking into painting the fence.

Do us all a favour - search the internet 'India' on news items & read up. May be u will learn a bit abt the reality & who all on earth are diluting their influence by adding in India

[mwe]

Do us all a favour - search the internet 'India' on news items & read up. May be u will learn a bit abt the reality & who all on earth are diluting their influence by adding in India

A quick Google of "India poverty", "India literacy", and "India malnourishment" shows the reality pretty well.

Severe/comical delusions of grandeur arise, India remains a third world nation. Everyone knows it. It's pathetic to argue otherwise.

Face it, no one is going to up and hand them a seat any time soon, there is no reason to. Why on earth would America dilute its own vote?

As for the wonderful guy above you, they could have invented denim, doesn't change a damn thing about their present situation.

[sujithkochi]

A quick Google of "India poverty", "India literacy", and "India malnourishment" shows the reality pretty well.

Severe/comical delusions of grandeur arise, India remains a third world nation. Everyone knows it. It's pathetic to argue otherwise.

Face it, no one is going to up and hand them a seat any time soon, there is no reason to. Why on earth would America dilute its own vote?

As for the wonderful guy above you, they could have invented denim, doesn't change a damn thing about their present situation.

One last time mate - i never said India is a first world country. And i never said we dont hv any of those issues which u hv been highlighting over & over again which is associated with any country that is not first world.

But i disagree with ur arguement that India is not having any influence on world affairs and I hv stated facts to prove it.

Pls dont just argue for the sake of it.

[Andrew Chalmers]

Whether India will be a perm member of the UNSC has less to do with India's development - but rather how strong it can lobby the existing 5 members. Germany & Japan have been unable to achieve it - I doubt India will pull it off anytime soon.

[mwe]

One last time mate - i never said India is a first world country. And i never said we dont hv any of those issues which u hv been highlighting over & over again which is associated with any country that is not first world.
But i disagree with ur arguement that India is not having any influence on world affairs and I hv stated facts to prove it.
Pls dont just argue for the sake of it.

Far from enough influence to cause other powers to dilute their own vote, it just ain't going to happen.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Whether India will be a perm member of the UNSC has less to do with India's development - but rather how strong it can lobby the existing 5 members. Germany & Japan have been unable to achieve it - I doubt India will pull it off anytime soon.

Agreed, which is why I want our equipment and troops out of the UN Peacekeeping force.
I don't really see any need to put our troops in danger not to mention our equipment.

Alas, I guess the politicians in India think that providing assistance to the UN will influence a possibility of membership into the security council.
- but I doubt it.

Anyways, thanks for "answering" my question mwe

[mwe]

;3715124']Agreed, which is why I want our equipment and troops out of the UN Peacekeeping force.
I don't really see any need to put our troops in danger not to mention our equipment.

Alas, I guess the politicians in India think that providing assistance to the UN will influence a possibility of membership into the security council.
- but I doubt it.

Anyways, thanks for "answering" my question mwe

They get paid to send people, Nepal and Rwanda aren't gunning for a seat.

[gaijinsamurai]

A few years ago, there was a strong push to expand the UNSC and include Japan, Brazil, and India.

The move was opposed by China, because Japan was included in the list.

Personally, I believe all three should be included.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

They get paid to send people, Nepal and Rwanda aren't gunning for a seat.

I was talking about the Third world statement
(see my previous post on the previous page)

but

I'd rather our troops be sent to deal with internal matters and have equipment in-country.
UN troops usually are easy targets and have been known to be enticed by illegal activities.

[mwe]

;3715156']I was talking about the Third world statement
(see my previous post on the previous page)

but

I'd rather our troops be sent to deal with internal matters and have equipment in-country.
UN troops usually are easy targets and have been known to be enticed by illegal activities.

But if they stay home then they aren't collecting a pay check from the UN.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

But if they stay home then they aren't collecting a pay check from the UN.

How big is the UN paycheck? :|

[sujithkochi]

But if they stay home then they aren't collecting a pay check from the UN.

cant stop from replying to ur irritating comments.

for ppl like u, money may b everything - but not for everyone.

Let me remind u that India has enough financial stability now - far better than most of the european economies and its the 12th largest in the world as of now, with a GDP growth rate which makes it the 2nd fastest among the emerging economies in the world.

read this up & gain some knowledge

http://www.economywatch.com/economies-in-top/

World top economies listed according to PPP GDP shows India 4th behind US, China & Japan in that order, ahead of Germany, UK, Russia, France, Brazil & Italy which complete the top 10.

but then again, u can find enough things to support ur point of view as well. i will try my best not to reply u

[Ghorkhali]

But if they stay home then they aren't collecting a pay check from the UN.

keep those checks with u only our troops are far more satisfied to serve the motherland rather getting humiliated by selfish persons like you who believe money can do every thing ... and stop calling us poor as we are intellectually more sound than you ..

[Ghorkhali]

As for the wonderful guy above you, they could have invented denim, doesn't change a damn thing about their present situation.

Sir plz do us a favour by replacing could from ur written lines as we are inventors ..there should be no doubt in u r mind

any ways

"What makes a nation, is the past, what justifies one nation against others is the past", says the noted historian Eric Hobsbawm.


Hence, when talking of a nation, it becomes very imperative that the past should also be talked about. And the past of India is as fascinating and interesting as it is momentous.

may be u want some fresh achievements

India is one of only three countries that makes supercomputers (the US and Japan are the other two).

India is one of six countries that launches satellites.

The Bombay stock exchange lists more than 6,600 companies. Only the NYSE has more.

Eight Indian companies are listed on the NYSE; three on the NASDAQ.

By volume of pills produced, the Indian pharmaceutical industry is the world’s second largest after China.

India has the second largest community of software developers, after the U.S.

India has the second largest network of paved highways, after the U.S.

India is the world’s largest producer of milk, and among the top five producers of sugar, cotton, tea, coffee, spices, rubber, silk, and fish.

100 of the Fortune 500 companies have R&D facilities in India.

Indian-born Americans are among the most affluent and best educated of the recent immigrant groups in the U.S.

Thirty percent of the R&D researchers in American pharmaceutical companies are Indian Americans.

Nearly 49% of the high-tech startups in silicon Valley and Washington, D.C. are owned by Indians or Indian-Americans.

In a case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, an Indian-American woman scientist, Dr. Ananda Chakrabaty, won the argument that persons may be granted patents for useful manufacture of living organisms. She defeated the U.S. Patent Office, that argued that living things may not be patented, thus establishing the legal foundation for the biotech industry, (Diamond vs. Chakrabaty, 1980). Dr. Chakrabaty invented a microbe that eats oil spills.

Did you know these facts about India ?

[dredger14]

]China is already in and fills the quota of third world poverty and lots of people. --> Whatever China troll:roll:[/COLOR]

Leave your bias. You can get mad, throw a fit, cry, and what have you; doesn't change the facts. India will still be a third world nation, with a low literacy rate, insurgencies, rampant poverty, childhood malnutrition, a toilet gap, and ringed by people who aren't terribly fond of it. And who on earth will dilute their own influence by adding in India? --> LOL so is china add to it a one party state,mass executions, total media control, rampant human rights abuses, mass indoctrination, history manipulation etc-etc

Putting up troops; the UN pays people which is a nice way to bring in cash, which is why the top ten providers of troops are poor nations. Stop putting up troops and there goes the money they were bringing in, it's not going to show evil Americans.

India is not getting in the SC anytime soon, missed the boat sixty years ago. Deal with it. --> lets have some cardboard soaked with acid baozis and melamine milk to celebrate:)

Go back to discussing the possibility of looking into painting the fence.--> please don't sell my kidneys china troll:)

[dredger14]

A quick Google of "India poverty", "India literacy", and "India malnourishment" shows the reality pretty well.

Severe/comical delusions of grandeur arise--> LOL coming from a person defending a country that resembles a rotting corpse draped in exquisite silk, India remains a third world nation--> So does china google poverty in china you are still 3rd world. Everyone knows it. It's pathetic to argue otherwise.--> the feeling is mutual china troll:)

Face it, no one is going to up and hand them a seat any time soon, there is no reason to. Why on earth would America dilute its own vote?

As for the wonderful guy above you, they could have invented denim, doesn't change a damn thing about their present situation.


Now google tibet or tiananmen square massacre, chinese kidney harvest, dalai lama for a start then see what turns up Oh! wait nothing will turn up because of the great firewall that keeps the filth of magnificent china from reaching the ears of its deluded citizensp-)

[derkrieger]

Great news for the Indian companies and noone has any doubt about the magnificient historic richness of India,
BUT
a huge amount of Indian population is living under poor conditions. Infrastructure of the country suffer big time and is non-existent at some places.
Militarily, not a big time actor and has no capacity whatsoever to have global projections.
has its own human rights problems, see the situation of christians in India.
Politically not a strong side, that nations look up to. I would not see India as the most powerful country in its own region, China has the political leverage in its surroundings I'd say..
UNSC is not the only way to achieve greatness BTW
so
UNSC is a long reach for India, If they succeed it somehow, one would fail to reject the applications of Brazil, Japan, Germany (these two are much worthy candidates), Egypt.
Get over it...

[MG 3]

I feel violated after going through this thread. I mean all the colours and the biblical English....................

Including India now would mean that UNSC would become the general assembly in a few years time. If India gets in than Germany, Italy, half of Europe, SA, KSA, Pakistan and a whole host of other countries would want to come in. If not obliged then it would mean the end of the UN.

As for the folks from India must I remnd you of the dozens of insurgencies that are active in India, 60% of the population living under poverty, baby girls being killed and the un-controlled facist activities of the hindu extemists. Just today I saw a horrifying vid of a mob beating a man with sticks and pocket knives. I hope you can picture what a pocket knife does to a man.

[Jobu]

Consolidate the EU's seats into one then give Japan and India places at the table.
Maybe Brazil as well but no further than that.

The future is in the East, not in old Europe. We need a UNSC that reflects these changes.

[Stallone]

I feel violated after going through this thread. I mean all the colours and the biblical English....................

Including India now would mean that UNSC would become the general assembly in a few years time. If India gets in than Germany, Italy, half of Europe, SA, KSA, Pakistan and a whole host of other countries would want to come in. If not obliged then it would mean the end of the UN.

As for the folks from India must I remnd you of the dozens of insurgencies that are active in India, 60% of the population living under poverty, baby girls being killed and the un-controlled facist activities of the hindu extemists. Just today I saw a horrifying vid of a mob beating a man with sticks and pocket knives. I hope you can picture what a pocket knife does to a man.

That is just rich. Maybe US should not be in the UNSC because of Street Gangs and what not.

[mwe]

a huge amount of Indian population is living under poor conditions. Infrastructure of the country suffer big time and is non-existent at some places.
Militarily, not a big time actor and has no capacity whatsoever to have global projections.
has its own human rights problems, see the situation of christians in India.
Politically not a strong side, that nations look up to. I would not see India as the most powerful country in its own region, China has the political leverage in its surroundings I'd say..

Bingo.


Now google tibet or tiananmen square massacre, chinese kidney harvest, dalai lama for a start then see what turns up Oh! wait nothing will turn up because of the great firewall that keeps the filth of magnificent china from reaching the ears of its deluded citizensp-)

I'm not from China, poor attempt at flames. Waiting to be called Pakistani next.

So you accept that India is a third world nation, with all the problems I have listed and your response is personal attacks.


In a case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, an Indian-American woman scientist, Dr. Ananda Chakrabaty, won the argument that persons may be granted patents for useful manufacture of living organisms. She defeated the U.S. Patent Office, that argued that living things may not be patented, thus establishing the legal foundation for the biotech industry, (Diamond vs. Chakrabaty, 1980). Dr. Chakrabaty invented a microbe that eats oil spills. Did you know these facts about India ?

More important is Africa style malnutrition, low literacy, poverty, infrastructure and so forth.


Consolidate the EU's seats into one then give Japan and India places at the table.

So France and England should loose a seat to add in India? India? Not even realistic that it would happen.

[Eventine]

Sooner or later it has to happen. The UN will adapt, or it will become irrelevant.

[Kletterbuxe]

I smell an inferiority compley in most threads about india...

[Parx400]

The UNSC members should be picked by GDP PPP.

EU as a group 14 votes
US 13 Votes
China 6 votes
Japan 4 votes
China 3 Votes
India 3 votes
Russia 2 votes
Brazil 1 Vote

1 vote added for each additional Trillion in GDP PPP

GDP will be an average of IMF and World Bank standards

2/3 needed to pass, No one has veto power.

If some one passes you up then your off.

[Eventine]

You do realize the purpose of the UNSC, yes? It's not designed to be a "rich country's club." You have the G8 and the IMF for that.

[Parx400]

You do realize the purpose of the UNSC, yes? It's not designed to be a "rich country's club." You have the G8 and the IMF for that.

Oh really, I don't see any Poor countries on the perm UNSC.

In terms of GDP PPP

US #2 ( if you count the EU as a whole)

UK #6

China #3

France # 8

Russia #7

In terms of Nominal GDP

US #1

China # 4

UK #5

France # 6

Russia # 11

[Eventine]

A country with great international and regional influence tends to be rich.

The converse is not true.

The UNSC was established to give each region's dominant power a say in international affairs. In the aftermath of World War II, when the UNSC was proposed, Britain and France were still major world players. Today they are not (except through the EU and NATO).

By contrast, India is the dominant power in South Asia, or is in the process of becoming one. It will eventually have to be represented if the UNSC is to be relevant.

The same is true for Brazil if it becomes the dominant power in South America, Iran if it becomes the dominant power in the Middle-East, and Indonesia if it becomes the dominant power in ASEAN.