Our Patience Is Running Out, Says Crown Prince

[SeanAshi]

Abdul Wahab Bashir, Arab News

JEDDAH, 16 June 2004 — Crown Prince Abdullah yesterday warned that the Kingdom’s patience with terrorists was running out and insisted authorities are up to dealing with the criminals.

He warned there could be no compromise in defending Islam and Saudi Arabia and protecting foreigners in the Kingdom and said scholars and clerics must do more to fight extremism.

Addressing participants in the Third National Dialogue Forum on women’s issues in Madinah, Prince Abdullah said here the coming days would bring good news in the fight against terrorism. His comments were broadcast live on Saudi television.

“As you know, these despicable incidents were being committed by the sons of this country. As a brother and citizen I must say I am appalled and sickened by what happened,” he said.

But he vowed the Kingdom “is capable of doing more than it has done. For the sake of mercy toward the errant group, we maintained patience and refrained from doing certain things that I cannot disclose now. We have been patient all this time... but our patience has limits,” the crown prince said.

The delegates presented him with the recommendations from the three-day forum which made waves in the national and international media.

The recommendations underlined the important role of women in society and called for protection of their rights within the framework of Islam.

Prince Abdullah said the terrorists changed their tactics and began targeting innocent people on the street. Their pretext had been the presence of foreigners in the country, whose protection was the duty of every citizen, the prince said. “It is not just the responsibility of Fahd, Abdullah, Sultan or Mishal” — a reference to himself and his brothers — “but the entire Saudi people.”

Now the terrorists were also targeting “the security men, who are your sons and brothers, and have committed very shameful acts. It pains me to say that these individuals hail from this country, which is known for its adherence to Islamic teachings and for its commitment to meeting its obligations toward its people and the Muslim and Arab nation.”

Prince Abdullah again reiterated that the “enemies of Islam” were behind the terrorist attacks. “You all know those enemies, and the entire world knows them,” he added.

He said there would be no compromise toward any threats to the religion and the country. “Islam is above all considerations, and when it comes to defending the religion and the country the opinion of this or that person will not be sought. Your brothers are now maintaining self-restraint. What you have witnessed over the past days is unprecedented.”

Prince Abdullah told citizens to put their trust in their people and in the security forces, who “remain vigilant day and night to protect the country and its people.”

He urged Saudi scholars, clerics and intellectuals to put more effort into countering the wave of terror, reiterating that those who maintain silence about what is happening would be considered complicit with terrorists.

http://www.arabnews.com

[usa320]

woot

I think change is looming in Saudi Arabia, people are getting pissed off at the jihadists, which is certainly a good thing.

[chauncy republicans]

All this terrorism has the potential to **** their economy.

[Romulus]

We still need gas, terrorism or not. Doubt it will do anything to their economy in that reguards.

[Kilgor]

The real war on terror is just beginning :)

saudi's are in for some very interesting times indeed.

[chauncy republicans]

We still need gas, terrorism or not. Doubt it will do anything to their economy in that reguards.
You have a point.

[chauncy republicans]

The real war on terror is just beginning :)

saudi's are in for some very interesting times indeed.
I think the whole world is. :|

[n4292936]

I lived near Khobar for 11 years when my parents worked in the oil industry at Aramco. Almost all of Arabia's petroleum production is managed both financialy and technically by western ex-patriots. Driving them out of the country would do some serious damage to both production levels and national GDP, potentially causing destabalisation. I dont think that's going to happen but the Saudi royal family has pretty focking clear incentive to kill the problem ASAP + its making them look bad.

[SeanAshi]

But he vowed the Kingdom “is capable of doing more than it has done. For the sake of mercy toward the errant group, we maintained patience and refrained from doing certain things that I cannot disclose now. We have been patient all this time... but our patience has limits,”Sounds intresting...

[5jumpchump]

We still need gas, terrorism or not. Doubt it will do anything to their economy in that reguards.

I don’t' know man , a shiat load of people left there in the past few days . One big ass thing about it all is that they cannot run the oil industry with out us . I mean the contractors , the head engineers and all . All those high up positions are all US employed . If they all leave they will be crippled . Know one will no how to run it all and production will be at a snails pace . Al least that's what the former US ambassador said this morning . When the Saudi family sees that might happen that's when they need to a decision .

[sla8485]

But he vowed the Kingdom “is capable of doing more than it has done. For the sake of mercy toward the errant group, we maintained patience and refrained from doing certain things that I cannot disclose now. We have been patient all this time... but our patience has limits,”Sounds intresting...

It sounds to me like he's saying "We could have done something to/about the same people we keep publically calling terrorists, and criminals, but have decided to let them go about their merry way thus far.. But we're finally running out of patience.."

After 9/11, in the US, some misguided fools randomly targetted anyone that looked arabic, and they were beaten (memory seems to recall some even being killed), I wonder what the global community would have said if Bush would have said "we're capable of doing more than we have, but for the sake of mercy towards those errant criminals, we maintained patience and refrained from arresting them."

Talk about double standards..

[SeanAshi]

It sounds to me like he's saying "We could have done something to/about the same people we keep publically calling terrorists, and criminals, but have decided to let them go about their merry way thus far.. But we're finally running out of patience.."
Yeah he could be blowing smoke up our asses :|

[duck]

The Crown Prince could start by modernizing the Saudi educational system. No wonder they rely on expats for the economy when the schools and colleges mainly teach Islam and even all other subjects have a strong reference to the Religion. I've read of music classes where playing or listening to music was not allowed because it's "un-Islamic". Go figure.

:cantbeli:

[OB Kenobi]

The Crown Prince could start by modernizing the Saudi educational system. No wonder they rely on expats for the economy when the schools and colleges mainly teach Islam and even all other subjects have a strong reference to the Religion. I've read of music classes where playing or listening to music was not allowed because it's "un-Islamic". Go figure.

:cantbeli:

The House of Saud doesn't want reform, if they allow it they will lose power and people will want a Democracy, etc. They want to keep the people stupid and obedient. All the foreigners working there for Saudi $$$ are gladly willing to oblige.

So in Saudi Arabia you have a choice between the despotic royal family, or the terrorists. But then there's also terrorists who work for the royal family. How do you bring about change in a country like that without making things worse?

Iraq right now is a demonstration that it's not really possible to do something like that.

The way to stop the terrorists and the Saudis and the Zionists and Christian oil Nazis is to discredit the religion they use as an excuse and the means of brainwashing their followers. That's the only way it's going to happen, anything else just brings in more converts to the causes of each of these criminal cabals because they blame each other for all the world's problems.

[n4292936]

The House of Saud doesn't want reform, if they allow it they will lose power and people will want a Democracy, etc. They want to keep the people stupid and obedient. All the foreigners working there for Saudi $$$ are gladly willing to oblige.
Its true that you'll find very few expat workers who see political change in the penninsula as in their best interests. The status quo is making them money.


So in Saudi Arabia you have a choice between the despotic royal family, or the terrorists. But then there's also terrorists who work for the royal family. How do you bring about change in a country like that without making things worse?
I'd have to agree that the choice is a rather stark one between the royal family or instability. I don't think its the case that all people are ready for representative democracy. Arabia simply doesn't have the history or political disposition to make that kind of transition at the moment. NeoCon dreams of exporting democracy to there are pure fantasy.


Iraq right now is a demonstration that it's not really possible to do something like that. I think the jury is still out on that one. Unlike Arabia, Iraq has breifly experimented with democracy, a venture which Saddam ended.


The way to stop the terrorists and the Saudis and the Zionists and Christian oil Nazis is to discredit the religion they use as an excuse and the means of brainwashing their followers. That's the only way it's going to happen, anything else just brings in more converts to the causes of each of these criminal cabals because they blame each other for all the world's problems. If discrediting their religion is the only way its going to happen then it wont happen for centuries, if ever. Promoting moderate forms of religions and dismantling support structures for fundamentalism in general isnt a bad idea, but in order to accomplish that latter you'd have to suspend some privilidges that Americans count as sacred - freedom of expression and speech.

[UoUo]

Anyone have info about how much time the oil reserve will stay?

50 years? 100 years?

[n4292936]

so far as im aware estimate have suggested that proven reserves will last for another 50 years, production will start to decline in 20-30

[OB Kenobi]

Arabia simply doesn't have the history or political disposition to make that kind of transition at the moment. NeoCon dreams of exporting democracy to there are pure fantasy.

First you have to educate people, then they will choose Democracy. Not necessarily a capitalist democracy though.

I also hate to break this to you, but NeoCons have zero interest in Democracy. They don't even support the US constitution. What they're interested in reshaping the middle-east so that it becomes "westernized." In other words, corporate-friendly, and Israel-friendly.

Maybe not a bad thing theoretically compared to what is there now, the only problem is that it will never work, and it will only serve to strengthen the terrorists who say America wants to destroy Islam.

There are other reasons why such a thing isn't possible, but they're very complex and involve the entire geo-political situation, not just the middle-east. To put it simply, in the modern world, if you mess with a major country, you mess with the entire planet, economic interests are all interconnected and have a gun at the end of them.

Bu$h should have thought about that before playing sheriff.





Iraq right now is a demonstration that it's not really possible to do something like that. I think the jury is still out on that one. Unlike Arabia, Iraq has breifly experimented with democracy, a venture which Saddam ended.


You mean a venture which the UK and US, which put Saddam in power ended.

That's besides the point though. Democracy isn't going to work in Iraq because Iraq is being undermined by all the countries around it. Iraqis know this, but they also don't want to give in to America.

Westerners make the mistake of thinking that Muslims for some reason want to give up all their beliefs and become Big Mac-sucking fools like the average American. They don't realize that Muslims still believe that they are right and the west is wrong. That is why Iraqis would rather get bombed by Muslims, than be forced to wear baseball hats and get breast implants and nose jobs.





The way to stop the terrorists and the Saudis and the Zionists and Christian oil Nazis is to discredit the religion they use as an excuse and the means of brainwashing their followers. That's the only way it's going to happen, anything else just brings in more converts to the causes of each of these criminal cabals because they blame each other for all the world's problems. If discrediting their religion is the only way its going to happen then it wont happen for centuries, if ever. Promoting moderate forms of religions and dismantling support structures for fundamentalism in general isnt a bad idea, but in order to accomplish that latter you'd have to suspend some privilidges that Americans count as sacred - freedom of expression and speech.[/quote]

I didn't say ban their religion, I said discredit it. Discredit it through education, science, the internet.

The internet, that's what is going to do it, and within the next twenty years. The internet is going to have an effect as profound as the printing press.

[UoUo]

so far as im aware estimate have suggested that proven reserves will last for another 50 years, production will start to decline in 20-30

Great.

And about what the saudi econoumy will base on when the oil will run out?

[Fox2]

Westerners make the mistake of thinking that Muslims for some reason want to give up all their beliefs and become Big Mac-sucking fools like the average American. They don't realize that Muslims still believe that they are right and the west is wrong. That is why Iraqis would rather get bombed by Muslims, than be forced to wear baseball hats and get breast implants and nose jobs.

And what about the millions of Muslims who live in the "West"? What about the millions of American Muslims, who are just like every other American, have the same wants, dreams, and values? Are they somehow "less Muslim" in your view?

[5jumpchump]

http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=11361956

It **** like this that is going to make every American running the oil trade over there come back home and find a new job . The Suadi family has a tight rope to walk and on either side is a ****ty situation . Please the west and keep your oil , run the risk of more terror attacks and assasination attempts . Please the terroists and forever crap on your name and your country as a terrorist state and lose world respect and also run the risk of war or economic embargo .