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J-10
06-16-2004, 01:47 AM
China General Threatens War if Taiwan Targets Dam

June 16, 2004 — By Benjamin Kang Lim
BEIJING (*******) - A Chinese general denounced a U.S. suggestion that Taiwan's military target China's Three Gorges dam and said on Wednesday that any strike on the world's biggest hydropower project would lead to war.

In its annual report to Congress on China's military power, the Pentagon suggested in May that Taiwan target the dam as a deterrent against any Chinese invasion of the island, which split from the mainland in 1949 but is still regarded by Beijing as a breakaway province.

China will "be seriously on guard against threats from 'Taiwan independence terrorists,"' People's Liberation Army (PLA) Lieutenant General Liu Yuan said in a commentary in the official China Youth Daily, warning against such a move.

"(It) will not be able to stop war...it will have the exact opposite of the desired effect," Liu said.

"It will provoke retaliation that will 'blot out the sky and cover up the earth'," he said, quoting a Chinese idiom.

The warning came as the Defense Ministry in Taiwan said it had test fired two Patriot anti-missile missiles to showcase its air defense capability.

The test was part of a routine drill and was conducted at a military base in southern Taiwan, the ministry said. It did not say when the test was held or give any other details.

Liu asserted that no country had conventional warhead missiles capable of critically damaging the dam -- made of concrete with a maximum thickness of more than 100 meters (328 feet).

DAM WON'T COLLAPSE

"The Three Gorges Dam will not collapse and cannot be destroyed," he said.

Seismologists have said the dam is designed to withstand an earthquake measuring 10 on the Richter scale.

The dam was first proposed decades ago, but construction was delayed because late Communist Party chairman Mao Zedong wanted to ensure the PLA could defend it against any attack by Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist troops. Construction finally began in 1993 and China has expressed confidence it can defend it.

But the Pentagon report stirred controversy in China.

"Since Taipei cannot match Beijing's ability to field offensive systems, proponents of strikes against the mainland apparently hope that merely presenting credible threats to China's urban population or high-value targets, such as the Three Gorges Dam, will deter Chinese military coercion," it said.

A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said last week the report was "Cold War mentality harbouring evil intentions."

President Bush has pledged to do whatever it takes to help democratic Taiwan defend itself against Chinese invasion.

Tensions have simmered since Taiwan's March presidential polls, which incumbent Chen Shui-bian won by a razor-thin margin after a mysterious election eve assassination attempt.

China suspects Chen will push for formal independence around 2008, when Beijing hosts the Olympics. Chinese officials have vowed to pay any price to stop him on his road to statehood -- even losing the Games.

Liu, the general, called the Pentagon suggestion "petty psychological war."

He likened Washington to "a prostitute pretending to be a gentleman" and no better than Osama bin Laden, whose al Qaeda group has been blamed for the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

The Three Gorges Dam, also the world's largest flood control project, is due to be completed in 2009 at a cost of nearly $25 billion. With total capacity of 18,200 megawatts, it will generate 84.6 billion kwh of electricity a year.

China says it needs the dam to contain the Yangtze River's devastating annual floods and to meet future power demand. But critics say it is not a practical solution to either problem and could cause pollution and silting by slowing the river's flow.

From (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/*******20040616_5.html)

Midav
06-16-2004, 01:58 AM
Yes, Taiwan will start hitting the dam because it has nothing else to do.... :roll:

Kilgor
06-16-2004, 02:10 AM
Yeah.. taiwan just dug up barnes wallis and are firing up the lancasters now.

Midav
06-16-2004, 02:17 AM
Yeah.. taiwan just dug up barnes wallis and are firing up the lancasters now.

rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's pretty original, man!

Kilgor
06-16-2004, 02:28 AM
"The Three Gorges Dam will not collapse and cannot be destroyed," he said.

That sounds like a challenge to me though ;)

But seriously though, what a stupid comment. What is the chance of this happening ?

Its just sabre rattling to stir up support against that evil enemy those taiwanese. Orwellan style hatred at a external enemy to take focus off the government at home.

Secret Squirrel
06-16-2004, 02:42 AM
Orwellan style hatred at a external enemy to take focus off the government at home.

are we talking about China or Bush?

Kilgor
06-16-2004, 02:46 AM
take a guess retard :bash:

bertfivesix
06-16-2004, 03:12 AM
Hey China. Bring it on.

"Taiwan independence terrorists."

Cute.

n4292936
06-16-2004, 03:47 AM
Orwellan style hatred at a external enemy to take focus off the government at home.

are we talking about China or Bush?

I thought that was a pretty amusing point, and an obviously antagonistic one :D
Orwellian: good adjective but I think the only state that really fits that description 100% is the DPRK... China is more Huxleyian, only its a slightly more stiffled and politicaly repressed version of a brave new world. China: The mystopia you love to hate :P rofl

China's reference to terrorists isn't an accidental use of strong language by the way. It is after all a proponent, to an extent, of the WOT for its own benefit. Its all about RealPolitik my friends....

Durandal
06-16-2004, 09:43 AM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xfS3d9InZPUJ:www.kevinreed.net/images/notafraidtodie.jpg

FRO
06-16-2004, 11:00 AM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xfS3d9InZPUJ:www.kevinreed.net/images/notafraidtodie.jpg

Holy Freakin's Stuff! It's one of those crazed, extremist, independence terrorists! Burn him!

Durandal
06-16-2004, 04:16 PM
Bah! :D

He is just a bad ass MoFo showing the flag of freedom in a hate state where hundreds if not thousands lost their lives demanding freedom from their oppressors.

California Joe
06-16-2004, 04:22 PM
I think we should just airlift a lot of beavers. Those furry little engineering bastards can dam anything. Word.

Fintin
06-16-2004, 04:24 PM
I think we should just airlift a lot of beavers. Those furry little engineering bastards can dam anything. Word.

always thinking ahead of the curve....

i dont think they will do it....both sides are just flexing their nuts....

Pooga
06-16-2004, 04:31 PM
Airlift Richard Simmons in a MC-130 and have him parachute ontop of the dam. From there, he can infiltrate the guard station and proceed to scare the guards away. The workers are fair game after that. No need to use military power. Just the Simmosaur.

oldsoak
06-16-2004, 04:32 PM
Bit suprised at the US for letting this one out the bag - I'd have thought they'd have been a little more discreet. Stuff like this is bound to raise hackles.

Durandal
06-16-2004, 04:37 PM
Well if you at this for real, rather than joke about it, China just gave itself a legitimate reason to go to war and invade Taiwan.

In many ways they just said they are getting ready to invade.

Caus the Chinese have the balls to attack their own damn (unsuccessfuly) and blame the Taiwanese for it.

Part of the long term plan...

Artificially devalue their currency. Get a big chunk of the world's manufacturing. Bring in the qian. Develop more industry and technology...and nukes. Flex their space muscles. Develop a deep water navy designed to protect an invasion force and a more modern 2nd generation airforce to run interference. Get stocked up on oil and steel...both in massive demand and the two things China has less of thean other nations. Build up reserves and then...

Click...

Bomb.

Taiwan is under control.

I give it less than a decade. That is my prediction. Depending on how their surface fleet build up and airforce modernization goes...

Sounds like a conspiracy, for certain, but think about it. China has the will...at least its government does (it's people will believe whatever they tell them)...and they are developing the economy to support the will.

A theory, but I think it has some merit.

Pooga
06-16-2004, 04:41 PM
Ergh double

Durandal
06-16-2004, 04:43 PM
Bit suprised at the US for letting this one out the bag - I'd have thought they'd have been a little more discreet. Stuff like this is bound to raise hackles.

Like everything else that has been "let out of the bag" this is probably just war planning.

Just like China has plans to nuke the West Coast of the U.S., Japan, India, Vietnam, South Korea, and Taiwan.

Everyone has scenarios and they try to deal with as many possibilities as possible. That way, if something happens they have the plan to select.

Hell, I am sure they have "roleplayed" this one at least once or twice...on both sides.

Pooga
06-16-2004, 04:44 PM
That would be bad.

*General, you have orders to unleash The Simmons Device.*

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:g6bYaHoavm4J:64.41.64.113/home/rockets/launch.jpg
http://www.joanprice.com/images/simmons.jpg

DPGLAW
06-16-2004, 04:46 PM
I agree with Kilgor....the way in which the Chinese Genreal said that the damn can not be destroyed was probably not the best way for him the phrase that. It did sound an awful lot like a challenge and with the tacit approval of the US, that might further encourage the Taiwanese terrorist group to try and prove China wrong by taking out the damn. It seems as if anything could be destroyed if the explosives are placed properly and the person setting the device knows what they are doing.

That is something that I hope does not happen as we (the US) would be dragged into it to defend Taiwan and right now we do not need another major theatre conflict. Especiallt considering the size of China's military, I do not think we have the resources to do that effectively, based on articles I have read. This would probably cause the draft to be re-instated pretty quickly....what does everyone here think?? I would like to see some others, perhaps who are more educated in this area than I.....

Secret Squirrel
06-16-2004, 04:58 PM
It seems as if anything could be destroyed if the explosives are placed properly and the person setting the device knows what they are doing.

Well they'd have to get to the dam and "quietly" drill into it deeply with a lot of explosives to even have a chance to do anything.


That is something that I hope does not happen as we (the US) would be dragged into it to defend Taiwan and right now we do not need another major theatre conflict.

Right now I dont think the U.S could handle trying to defend Taiwan. The military is already stretched. Also, theres a big difference in defeating an underdeveloped country like Iraq and trying to stop a country like China. Also, was giving Taiwan the patriot missle system really a benefit for Taiwan? I'm sure we all know how now the track record of this weapon during wartime use.

2Sheds_Jackson
06-16-2004, 05:03 PM
Liu asserted that no country had conventional warhead missiles capable of critically damaging the dam -- made of concrete with a maximum thickness of more than 100 meters (328 feet).

The Chinese have clearly not anticipated the cleverness of the Taiwanese attack.

Such a huge structure could only be quickly destroyed by nature itself. As we all know, China has virtually no environmental law. They dump billions of tons of raw (untreated) sewerage into the rivers upstream of the dam. This collects in the "reservoir" (hopefully they won't be using it for drinking water).

Taiwan must encourage mass immigration to the areas upstream of the dam, and insist on a diet which produces massive amounts of solid waste. Soon the reservoir will be silted up solid with the collective leavings of millions of Chinese & Taiwanese agents. Fecal bacteria will form a thick pudding-like skin on top of the water.

Then, workers will begin to refuse going to work. Maintenance will stop. Turbines will jam on giant turd-logs. The attached locks will seize solid. The entire area will be abandoned, fall into disrepair, and collapse. It's so crazy it just might work.

http://www.chinapage.com/3gorge/sat-photo-2.jpg

California Joe
06-16-2004, 05:30 PM
I'm noticing a Japanese like fascination with bathroom habits with 2 Sheds lately. Today handicapped stalls, tomorrow dams in China. Coincidence? I think not.

Resevoir Hogs
06-16-2004, 06:40 PM
Can anyone say "On the Beach"

WTF!? Just when I thought **** was bad enough something like this comes along.

What good is defending freedom and democracy if everyone is dead or dying from radiation!

I'm sorry but maybe I've just had it up to here with nuclear powers threatening each other.

FRO
06-16-2004, 09:34 PM
I think we should just airlift a lot of beavers. Those furry little engineering bastards can dam anything. Word.

always thinking ahead of the curve....

i dont think they will do it....both sides are just flexing their nuts....

Beavers, curves, nuts . . . are we talking about the same thing here?

p-)

FRO
06-16-2004, 09:41 PM
Taiwan must encourage mass immigration to the areas upstream of the dam, and insist on a diet which produces massive amounts of solid waste. Soon the reservoir will be silted up solid with the collective leavings of millions of Chinese & Taiwanese agents. Fecal bacteria will form a thick pudding-like skin on top of the water.

Then, workers will begin to refuse going to work. Maintenance will stop. Turbines will jam on giant turd-logs. The attached locks will seize solid. The entire area will be abandoned, fall into disrepair, and collapse. It's so crazy it just might work.

I can only think of one way to reply to this.

HOLY $H!T . . . or, perhaps, more literally, WHOLLY $H!T

Pooga
06-16-2004, 09:49 PM
Open up some Taco Bell or Baja Fresh and your plan is on the road to success, my friend.

Kilgor
06-16-2004, 09:49 PM
I think we should just airlift a lot of beavers. Those furry little engineering bastards can dam anything. Word.

always thinking ahead of the curve....

i dont think they will do it....both sides are just flexing their nuts....

Beavers, curves, nuts . . . are we talking about the same thing here?

p-)

Fish also swim in dams too :P

SpikeATGM
06-17-2004, 03:52 AM
Why for target a non millitary target?

Then we are going to go back to the good old days of world war 2.

Doing so will provide greater excuse for mainland china to target the other civilain structure and not to forget, they also have dams with Taiwan.

Does not make sense for either party to do so.