Croatian President warns Serbia against Kosovo partition

[Stefan850]

Kosovo neighbhoors categorically rejected tendencies for the division of Kosovo, as represented by the six-point plan presented by the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic said that a division of Kosovo would cause a domino effect in the region which would not help the regional stability. "The division of Kosovo along ethnic lines is a buried plan," said Djukanovic, after a visit to Tirana, where he met with Albanian Prime Minister, Sali Berisha.

Prime Minister Sali Berisha expressed his disapproval of the six points for the implementation of EULEX in Kosovo. "The plan has serious problems, since it favors a soft partition of Kosovo," said Berisha.

Whereas Croatian President and veteran ex-Yugoslav politician and President Stipe Mesic said Serbia is looking for a new war in the Balkans. "The division of Kosovo based on Serb appetite is a dream of Serbia, which reminds us the epoch of Milosevic dictatorship. And if it really happens as Belgrade intends, this means a step backwards. It means the realization of the dream of Great Serbia," said Mesic for Top Channel TV.

"We should not forget the Albanians of Presheva, Bujanoc, and Medvegja, then the minorities in Serbia and Vojvodina, and those in Macedonia," said Mesic.

Mesic warned that Serbian proposals might provoke new bloody conflicts in the Balkans.

Of war warned also Pandeli Majko, Prime Minister of Albania during the Kosovo war. "A division of Kosovo according to the six-point plan of the UN and Belgrade would bring an armed conflict to the whole Balkans," warned Majko during a two-hour TV appearance on the topic.http://www.newkosovareport.com/200811251444/Politics/Kosovo-neighbhoors-division-could-lead-to-armed-conflict.html


for those that want to b1tch about the title, warning is in bold.

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Hopefully just like in the movie, nothing will happen.

[Rictor]

Incomprehensible. I can't see any particular reason for Croatia to take a position on this, either for or against, aside from going along with the EU.

Oh well, I'm sure Mr. Mesic's sage advice will be ignored in Belgrade, so no harm done.

[Razvodnik]

Fact is that the Hungarians in the Vojvodina are really unhappy. I talked to some people when i was in Subotica on a buisness trip. Seseljs radicals make some serious pressure.

It's the first time in the last years that i agree with Mesic. Btw Mesic is some serious fool. Now he want to cancel for the veterans a furneral with military honor. He said it is to expensive. The Veterans are really angry.

[Stefan850]

Fact is that the Hungarians in the Vojvodina are really unhappy. I talked to some people when i was in Subotica on a buisness trip. Seseljs radicals make some serious pressure.

It's the first time in the last years that i agree with Mesic. .


Hungarians are in the government, radicals have 9% of people's votes based on the new pools and they are not in the government so they cant pressure anyone.


edit: And after the elections I watched myself on tv how radicals called hungarian party to form government with them (together with dss and sps) so radicals putting pressure on hungarians is false, maybe it's a personal situation for some Hungarian but generally speaking it's false for two difrent reasons that I stated above.

[zg18]

So Serbia made favorable agreement with EU & UN and now Mesic is again in a new crusade for his Albanian pals while talking rubbish ,like this BS :


Btw Mesic is some serious fool. Now he want to cancel for the veterans a furneral with military honor. He said it is to expensive. The Veterans are really angry.

:bash:

[meltdown]

Incomprehensible. I can't see any particular reason for Croatia to take a position on this, either for or against, aside from going along with the EU.

Oh well, I'm sure Mr. Mesic's sage advice will be ignored in Belgrade, so no harm done.

We are a parliamentary democracy. The president as an institution didn't have any real power since the constitutional changes in 2000. So, this DOES NOT mean Croatia took a position on anything. He is just fond of giving general "moral" advice all round.

[V.I.D.]

We are a parliamentary democracy. The president as an institution didn't have any real power since the constitutional changes in 2000. So, this DOES NOT mean Croatia took a position on anything. He is just fond of giving general "moral" advice all round.

Someone should tell him to shut the f..k up for once. His meddling in other country's affairs will not help the already heated situation as it is right now.

And if anyone has no moral right to say anything to anybody, that'd be lil' Stipe ("we won twice in the WW2, once with Axis and once with Allies..." statement, "my job is now done" on the breakup of Yugoslavia, etc.). I can't truly describe how much I despise this man.

[meltdown]

Someone should tell him to shut the f..k up for once. His meddling in other country's affairs will not help the already heated situation as it is right now.

And if anyone has no moral right to say anything to anybody, that'd be lil' Stipe ("we won twice in the WW2, once with Axis and once with Allies..." statement, "my job is now done" on the breakup of Yugoslavia, etc.). I can't truly describe how much I despise this man.

:D So, the "kavica s Predsjednikom" concept did nothing to warm your heart?

Anyways, dont look at me, I voted for Miksic. p-)

[V.I.D.]

:D So, the "kavica s Predsjednikom" concept did nothing to warm your heart?

Anyways, dont look at me, I voted for Miksic. p-)

Heh, I never said it has anything to do with you or any other Croatian on this forum, but it'd be nice if Stipe "the little Asian" Mesic would stop blabbering his big mouth every now and then. It's good for the peace in this region :)

[meltdown]

Oh, I'm sure I could name quite a number of politicians in "this region" that would be well advised to do the same.

Still, as far as Mesic goes, talk is pretty much all that he can do (i.e. as far as his constitutional powers as President of Croatia are concerned), so why waste further breath on the subject?

[Stefan850]

There's still the fact that Croatian people elected him to do the talking for them. He's talking is far from irrelevant in Croatian/Serbian relations.

[meltdown]

Legally, it actually is quite irrelevant.

But, he IS formally the head of state. Bottom line, he is as relevant as you (as a citizen of Serbia - I presume) or anyone else thus concerned percieves him to be simply because you (and I and anyone else in Croatia and Serbia) build our relations ourselves.

Or, in other words, the perception of institution is a far more important building block than the actual nature of the institution itself - a somewhat unpopular position I myself hold.

So, if you insist, we can discuss what he actually said.

[-BlackZodiac-]

There's still the fact that Croatian people elected him to do the talking for them. He's talking is far from irrelevant in Croatian/Serbian relations.

You elect others to do the talking for you?

[Stefan850]

You elect others to do the talking for you?


Yes, don't all countries? Government and the President among other things represent one's country, don't they?

[meltdown]

Indeed, thats more or less the idea behind democracy. So, do you want to talk about the content?

[-BlackZodiac-]

Yes, don't all countries? Government and the President among other things represent one's country, don't they?

Usually people vote for the person who suits the position best, as of right now I believe Harper is that person with this current economic crisis. There is a little difference between representing a country & speaking on the behalf of other people and their beliefs. I disagree with some of Harpers policies, & he doesn't speak on the behalf of us cause some or a lot can or will disagree. If Stipe Mesic is such a nuisance & makes rude remarks, does that mean hes speaking among his people of Croatia with those comments since hes representing Croatia? I think not.

[Paya]

Fact is that the Hungarians in the Vojvodina are really unhappy. I talked to some people when i was in Subotica on a buisness trip. Seseljs radicals make some serious pressure.
I don't know when this buisness trip took place, but there hasn't been any ethnic tensions in Vojvodina since the '90s. Like someone said, the Hungarians are participating in the Government (both state and provincial), and radicals are basically a non-entity now, especially in Vojvodina.

Besides, Vojvodina Hungarians have been traditionally loyal to the Serbian state (which perhaps has something to do with Hungary refusing to grant them dual citizenship), as demonstrated by the Kanjiza municipality (90% Magyar population) which had the highest response to mobilisation during the NATO bombardment.

[Horse Thief]

It was obvious from the second this plan was proposed that it would be hated by the Albanians and if carried out just lead to violence.

[gazell]

Wouldn't not dividing lead to even more of - continued, present - violence?

Well, he is a no1 figure of the country as a representative, his talks play in international relationships, like it or not. Plenty more similar figures in middle, eastern European politics though, he does not stick out.p-)


There are a lot of hostilities towards Hungarians, nothing to do with thread though.

[Paya]

It was obvious from the second this plan was proposed that it would be hated by the Albanians and if carried out just lead to violence.
The plan was unanimously accepted by the Security Council and will be carried out. It's up to the Albanians how they deal with it, but instigating violence is the stupidest possible thing they could do now.

[Paya]

Wouldn't not dividing lead to even more of - continued, present - violence?

Well, he is a no1 figure of the country as a representative, his talks play in international relationships, like it or not. Plenty more similar figures in middle, eastern European politics though, he does not stick out.p-)


There are a lot of hostilities towards Hungarians, nothing to do with thread though.
No, there ****ing isn't.

Didn't understand the rest...

[Hyde]

My Uncle, Cousins and other friends are hungarians and I've never heared of anything.

[Horse Thief]

The plan was unanimously accepted by the Security Council and will be carried out. It's up to the Albanians how they deal with it, but instigating violence is the stupidest possible thing they could do now.

Of course you'd say that cuz it works for you. But it doesn't work for them. If you were in their place you'd be pissed too. At the end of the day gotta look out for yours I guess. If nobody will listen to words, violence is the next logical step in this part of the world.

After such a long struggle over it, I don't see what they have to lose by resisting this plan.

[Paya]

Of course you'd say that cuz it works for you. But it doesn't work for them. If you were in their place you'd be pissed too. At the end of the day gotta look out for yours I guess. If nobody will listen to words, violence is the next logical step in this part of the world.
May I remind you that a part of my country declared independence lately? Sure, I was pissed, a great majority of us were pissed. Some took it out on the US and Croatian Embassies and the police. However, large scale violence was stopped by the cops.


After such a long struggle over it, I don't see what they have to lose by resisting this plan.
Depends how they resist it. Protests, student sit-ins, and such are perfectly OK. Establishing a KLA-style terrorist organisation that would perpetrate violence on the Serb community and/or UNMIK, that would be a huge no-no, since it could (and most likely would) lead to war.

[Sumadinac]

It's funny to see the president of Croatia warn Serbia against Kosovo partition while Croatia is supporting Serbia partition...

[gazell]

No, there ****ing isn't.

Didn't understand the rest...

Temper, temper. There is nothing compared to war and what Serbia has to deal with right now and there have talks in the beginning of the month, so hopefully things are being dealt with. Further I was saying that it has nothing to do with this topic.

The rest is reference to earlier comments on the Croatian President. Clearer?p-)