Stop Selling Bulldozers to Israel-UN

[scm77]

UN to Caterpillar: Stop selling bulldozers to Israel
Last Updated Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:39:10

GENEVA - A U.S.-based company has been warned by a United Nations expert not to sell bulldozers to Israel because of the way the Israeli army is using them.

Bulldozer maker may be accomplice in human rights violations
Jean Ziegler, the UN's special expert on the right to food, sent a letter to Caterpillar Inc. saying that the company could be considered an accomplice in human rights violations.

The letter to Caterpillar chief executive James Owen expressed Ziegler's concerns "about the actions of the Israeli occupation forces in Rafah and in other locations in Gaza and the West Bank."

A resolution passed this year by the UN Human Rights Commission extends responsibility to protect rights to "non-state actors."

Ziegler's letter, dated May 28, said the Israelis are "using armoured bulldozers supplied by your company to destroy agricultural farms, greenhouses, ancient olive groves and agricultural fields planted with crops."

There's been no comment from Caterpillar headquarters in Peoria, Ill.

The letter also says Caterpillar bulldozers have been used to destroy "numerous Palestinian homes and sometimes human lives, including that of the American peace activist Rachel Corrie."

Corrie, 23, was crushed to death in March 2003. She was trying to stop an Israeli army bulldozer from destroying Palestinian homes in a Gaza Strip refugee camp.

Written by CBC News Online staff
-----------------
CBC.CA (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/16/world/UN_bulldozers040616)

[big80a2]

hmmmz don't think CAT is inpresed...

maybe the UN will write them not to sell deforesting machines because it's harming the world :roll:

anyway thanx for the article :)

[Commander Cool]

Why doesn't the UN send the same warnings to the companies which produce the explosive components which are used to blow up Israeli buses and nightclubs?

Hey, how bout we use some of those caterpillars to knock down the UN building? Who's with me?

[UkrainianAmerican]

The incredible stupidity of the UN aside, I dont think that the D-9 is made by CAT. I am pretty sure its 100% Israeli.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Why doesn't the UN send the same warnings to the companies which produce the explosive components which are used to blow up Israeli buses and nightclubs?

Hey, how bout we use some of those caterpillars to knock down the UN building? Who's with me?
Reporting for duty! woot

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Bulldozers don't wreck houses, people wreck houses. Better they do it with a fine quality product like a CAT D9.

http://cmms.cat.com/cmms/servlet/cat.dcs.cmms.servlet.ImageServlet?imageid=C011524&imageType=2
(that's a CAT D9R-WH)

[stuntman]

this is so rediculous! I guess if the UN send a letter to the IDF boot makers it will stop the violence and I guess I can finnally go to the great beaches in the west bank..

[Commander Cool]

The D-9 is built by Caterpillar, but the Israeli's have designed some upgrade package to outfit it with armour, bullet proof glass, and in some cases even machine guns.

[/McH\]

Bulldozers don't wreck houses, people wreck houses. Better they do it with a fine quality product like a CAT D9.

http://cmms.cat.com/cmms/servlet/cat.dcs.cmms.servlet.ImageServlet?imageid=C011524&imageType=2
(that's a CAT D9R-WH)

LoL! You sound like the Company Advertiser! rofl rofl

I like this sentence

[Sayeret]

I guess the UN needs to reminded that they used ambulences to transport terrorists.

[Fintin]

quick someone get pissed at john deere....i heard my lawn cry out in pain this morning....its like saying a gun killed someone...a gun cant kill someone...a bulldozer cant distroy a house....its an instrment by which an act is accomplished....a guitar cant play a song....its an instarment by which and act is accomplished....that being said though....is it right to sell a gun to someone you know will use it to kill?....is it right to sell a bulldozer to someone you know is going to use it to harm others directly or indirectly?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The D-9 is built by Caterpillar, but the Israeli's have designed some upgrade package to outfit it with armour, bullet proof glass, and in some cases even machine guns.

heh heh "upgrade package". This guy also got the same upgrade package for his dozer.

http://news.bostonherald.com/images/national/bulldozer06052004.jpg

I suppose it's cheaper than putting a blade on a tank
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/grizzly21-s.jpg

[Falco]

I suppose it's cheaper than putting a blade on a tank
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/grizzly21-s.jpg


It wouldn't be as good as the D9.

[MEGR]

In response we should send more bulldozers.. How many do you want?

[Deuterium]

Speechless...

[Bootneck]

Perhaps it's high time the UN jot down a quick note to the maker of the truck that was used to blow up their HQ in Baghdad.

[Javehn]

There is a new UN campain this days , ban the Mottorola !!! The ****ers made IDF radio , which later Israeli agressors use to call combined air strikes on Jaza beautifull beaches (not the bitches , those they really don't have even one beautifull) .

Plus , their cell phones suck big time .. No recieving what so ever ... UN , DOWN WITH MOTOROLLA !!

[Javehn]

I have this strange suggestion ... Don't really now where from it came on me .
Perhaps UN could adress in that spirit to very respectable companies as , let's say Colt .. Or Diameco perhaps ? Izhmesh ... Or god forbid , even Norinko ... And politely ask them to stop producing those little things in their factories ... Harmless stuff , just kills people everywhere . Hmm , that will be a nice idea .

Stupid useless UN .

[Milkman]

What the ****, if CAT stopped selling Bulldozers to Israel then Israel would make their own. Of course we dont want that, our trade deficient is bad enough as it is.

*Somewhat sarcastic*

[SeanAshi]

Corrie, 23, was crushed to death in March 2003If you look at Rachel Corrie's death photos you can clearly see that she was not crushed by the D9.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Rachel PANCAKE Corrie had it coming. Social Darwinism, as I like to call it...

[Fintin]

Rachel PANCAKE Corrie had it coming. Social Darwinism, as I like to call it...


your fecked up....seriously fecked up....you take joy that someone lost their life....something is not right with that

[usa320]

Hes not ****ed up, hes right.

Common sense says if you walk in front of a several ton bulldozer that is moving you will go splat.

Just for the record, since israel started getting tough, how many suicide bombings have hit israel? Maybe 1 or 2... Israel should keep killing Hamas leaders, keep knocking down terrorist's buildings and keep building that wall.

And the United States should kick the UN the **** out of New York, they should go find somewhere else to meet, maybe paris.

[Sayeret]

Corrie, 23, was crushed to death in March 2003

Rachel Corrie was actually told several times to get out of the area because fighting was going on but she refused. It was her fault that she got ran over, the IDF can only do so much to stop people like that.

[DPGLAW]

I hope CAT will tell the UN to go Fock themselves.....:) The UN is a joke now, they can't agree on anything and constantly make irrational decisions....but that's another discussion :) I jsut hope that CAT dosen't listen...

Thats was a good one Russian American....Pancake...lol

[Moledet]

The D-9 is built by Caterpillar, but the Israeli's have designed some upgrade package to outfit it with armour, bullet proof glass, and in some cases even machine guns.
And also remote control and cameras on the D9 Robot :)

P.S. We have enough D9s, that's not like we gonna built an army of these incredible machines.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Just for the record, since israel started getting tough, how many suicide bombings have hit israel?

Actually when Israel started to escalate the conflict (getting "tough") in 2002, the suicide bombs also escalated significantly.

As to the issue of producers of products and their liability. Well, as long as their isn't imposed any US and/or international sanctions on Israel, I suppose it's an issue of morality of the company and up to the consumers to put pressure on it. By the way, after GW1 their was a big fuss about german companies that had delivered chemicals or components for it to Iraq.

[Moledet]

Just for the record, since israel started getting tough, how many suicide bombings have hit israel?

Actually when Israel started to escalate the conflict (getting "tough") in 2002, the suicide bombs also escalated significantly.

As to the issue of producers of products and their liability. Well, as long as their isn't imposed any US and/or international sanctions on Israel, I suppose it's an issue of morality of the company and up to the consumers to put pressure on it. By the way, after GW1 their was a big fuss about german companies that had delivered chemicals or components for it to Iraq.
BULL****!!! From October 2000-March 2002 Israel only blocked 30% of the terror attacks, since March 2002 the number has almost got up to 90% in the West Bank and 98% (a bit more) in Gaza strip, and in addition they suffer from shortage in ammo and weapons and the Hamas is in a very bad situation.
In 2002 we had 100% more terror attacks then in 2003 and the same goes for the number of dead and injured Israeli civilians.
Don't tell **** to people.

[IDFM203]

Just for the record, since israel started getting tough, how many suicide bombings have hit israel?

Actually when Israel started to escalate the conflict (getting "tough") in 2002, the suicide bombs also escalated significantly.

Not true.....listen Israel went back in the first time AFTER the Passover massacre where almost 30 man women and children were slaughtered as they were about to sit down for the Passover meal by a homcide/sucide bomber and this was also after for weeks before numerous homicide bombings against Israelis, also let me remind you that before this time, the homicide bombings and shootings attacks against Israelis were daily and for sure weekly (and sometimes twice a day) now then Israel went in and it immediately dropped and then Israel pulled out and guess what, yep the homicide bombings went up again and it was only after we went in the second time and stayed and till now we have seen a HUGE drop in homicide bombings and shooting attacks

The fact is that it’s quite clear that ONLY because of our actions have we seen huge results in the huge drop of the number of attacks against us.

It is working big time!!! And I know it goes against your conviction of how militarily we can do this, but the fact is that we are and I say we have no choice in resorting to this, but nonetheless we have been able to achieve major success for our security.

I could go on but I saw a great article in the Jerusalem post the other day so I figured now’s a good time to share it.


Keep winning


Zakariya Zubeidi, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades chieftain in Jenin, yesterday offered to order a halt to attacks on Israel in exchange for an end to Israeli incursions into that city and a withdrawal from surrounding settlements. This is excellent news. The government should meet it by stepping up its military offensive in Jenin and throughout the territories.

Zubeidi's offer is not an olive branch. It is not evidence of pragmatism, moderation, or good will. It is an admission of impending defeat. The Martyrs Brigades and other terrorist Palestinian factions have been devastated by repeated IDF/Shin Bet raids on their rank-and-file, and there are now over 6,000 Palestinians in Israeli custody, three times as many as at the height of Operation Defensive Shield in 2002. Successive generations of terrorist leadership have either been killed by the IDF or forced into hiding for fear of their lives, thereby disrupting planning and operational capabilities. Their ability to reach Israeli targets has been dramatically curtailed by the construction of the security fence. The killing of Hamas leaders Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi did not, in fact, lead to the threatened rivers of blood, but to the longest (relative) peace Israel has known in nearly four years. If the intifada seems over, as some people now dare to whisper, it is because the IDF is winning.

It wasn't supposed to be thus. We have spent the last several years listening to sanctimonious lectures about how (1) there is no military solution to the conflict; (2) any "escalation" on Israel's part leads to a commensurate Palestinian escalation; (3) "walls never solved anything;" and, finally, (4) what the Palestinians need is hope, not fear.

All this turns out to be demonstrably false. Israeli military escalation has led, unfailingly, to Palestinian de-escalation. Israeli pressure has been followed, unfailingly, by Palestinian reasonableness. The security fence is working as planned everywhere it has been erected. Israeli concessions – giving the Palestinians hope – has merely created openings for violence.


More broadly, the longer Israel prevents the Palestinians from scoring a tactical success, the more Palestinians despair of scoring one. The more they despair, the less they try. The less they try, the easier it is to interdict. And so on. It's what economists call a virtuous cycle.

Winning, of course, is not the same as won. The danger now is that the appearance of success will lead to a relaxation of effort, possibly encouraged by international pressure to show good will in the face of gestures like Zubeidi's. This would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The main thing now is both to maintain the operational tempo and broaden the operational scope. Why, for instance, does Arafat continue to get a pass from Israel and the West when Zubeidi himself tells Israel Radio that "if Ramallah decides that we should stop, we will stop."
It cannot be repeated enough that Yasser Arafat continues to be the primary terror master in this region and must be seen, and treated, accordingly.

We have written many times before that the key to any future negotiation with the Palestinian leadership is to expose them, as fully as possible, to the consequences of their conceits. If this intifada has seemed almost interminable, it is because Israel failed to do this early on, choosing instead to escalate gradually. As it is, the results have been worse for the Palestinians than they have for us. But it's never too late to rectify mistakes.

It is encouraging that the IDF's more aggressive posture coincides with the cabinet's momentous decision to remove settlements in Gaza. The great danger of disengagement is not the loss of territory, which can sometimes be an asset and sometimes a liability, but the loss of credibility. As we come closer to the moment of pulling up stakes, it will be necessary to take the anti-terror campaign to a new level of intensity. No Palestinian living in a future Palestinian state should be in any doubt as to Israel's will and ability to defend itself and its citizens against opportunistic aggression. It should go without saying that that is something no Israeli ought to be in doubt of, either


Shalom :D

[Deuterium]

Rachel PANCAKE Corrie had it coming. Social Darwinism, as I like to call it...

Although I wouldn't go so far as to say she had it coming to her, I agree it was social Darwinism. Kinda like that nuke activist who layed down in front of a train and then sued after the train ran over his legs.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Rachel PANCAKE Corrie had it coming. Social Darwinism, as I like to call it...

Reminds of the american football player that joined the rangers and was killed in afghanistan. There was also some jokes made of him.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Not true.....listen Israel went back in the first time AFTER the Passover massacre where almost 30 man women and children were slaughtered as they were about to sit down for the Passover meal by a homcide/sucide bomber

As I recall it, the mentioned suicide bombing hit a passover meal primarily attended by elderly people. I suspect that the fragility of the victim's caused an above average number of the wounded to die.

But at that time the ball was already rolling.

As to the Israeli actions to stop the suicide bombs, if that indeed was the purpose, I still see much of it as counter-productive.

[rob]

i thought this was a joke or something.

[SeanAshi]

you take joy that someone lost their life....something is not right with thatRachel and her pro-terrorist organization ISM can burn in hell.

[scm77]

Before I read some of the replies in this thread, I had never heard of Rachel Corrie. I checked around and found this.

http://www.rachelcorrie.org/april23.htm

"April 23 - International Day of Action Against Caterpillar" :lol:

[RavenW]

Yeah... that was the one that acted as 'human shield' for terrorists.

You know, there were some like her in Baghdad protecting Saddam.

I wonder while people always so eager to sacrifice themselves for some old bastard like Arafat, Saddam or Hitler, but then reluctent to sit on the ordinary city bus, which Israeli children take to school...

the one thing for certain, those who would play "shields" for Mussolini and Hitler 60 years ago were treated pretty bad by allied armies (and even much worse by the local liberated population).

I can't even start to imagine what the local Bahdad residents would do to someone who "guarded" Saddam from cruise missles, especially those Iraqis whose relatives perished during Saddam's purges... we saw what they did to the statue, what would they do to those senile 'protectors' remains a mistery.... probably burn them!

[SeanAshi]

Alot of the human shields that went to Bahgdad left as soon as they got there, they realized it was a stupid idea. :lol:

[seruriermarshal]

F**k UN .

:bash:

[Mr. Nielsen]

Yeah... that was the one that acted as 'human shield' for terrorists.

'human shield' for terrorists? She was standing in front of a civilian home, when she was murdered.



II wonder while people always so eager to sacrifice themselves for some old bastard like Arafat, Saddam or Hitler, but then reluctent to sit on the ordinary city bus, which Israeli children take to school...

Perhaps the difference is that the Israeli children, have an army to guard them while palestinian children don't.

[seruriermarshal]

Perhaps the difference is that the Israeli children, have an army to guard them while palestinian children don't.


Because Arafat support terrorists , he don't agree his police attack those terrorists .

[RavenW]

'human shield' for terrorists? She was standing in front of a civilian home, when she was murdered.

Correction. A civilian facility that is turned into terrorist military headquarters or barracks, canot be called a civilian facility anymore.

If we take a regular civilian home and use it for military as well as terrorist
purpose, we make it a target for military strike.

In other words, military facility is any "civilian" facility that provides cover, shelter and haven for terrorists, where plans of terrorists attacks are made and where weapons are stored and used against true civilian target like buses.

For example, if Hitler and his thugs sat, lived and operated from the vicinity of civilian building in berlin, that building is no longer a "civilian" facility.


So goes for Palestinian and any other homes, that snipers, terrorists chose as platforms and bases for their attacks.

It is sad that such basic facts of war I have to explain to grown up man.




If you would take you home, and make a terrorist base out of it (regardless whether your family still occupies its perimeter), your home would become a terrorist facility - military building designated for destruction.

The whole responsibility of destroying such facility lies with people who chose it to be their military facility. They should not use (accoding to international law) civilian home as place for planning and making terrorist operations. This is forbidden under Geneva Convention. Thus terrorists who turned civilian homes into military barracks should be tried for war crimes, not the liberating army that destroys them and cleans area from terrorist infrastructure.

[IDFM203]

As I recall it, the mentioned suicide bombing hit a passover meal primarily attended by elderly people. I suspect that the fragility of the victim's caused an above average number of the wounded to die. :cantbeli: wow and your absurdity knows no ends :roll:

Listen, almost 30 civilians were purposely targeted and blown up in pieces and countless more were injured, whether they were old or not, the fact is that the homicide bomber’s intention was to kill as much innocents as he could and your claims that the death toll was greater because they were older has no bearing at all on what happened there and its shameful that you can even attempt to rationalize this in the way that you have.


But at that time the ball was already rolling. no by that time, Israel had not gone back in on mass like it did AFTER that attack…..again it was AFTER that attack, that we went in with much greater force.


As to the Israeli actions to stop the suicide bombs, if that indeed was the purpose, I still see much of it as counter-productive. Yes the SOLE purpose was to stop what WAS constant homcide bombings and constant shooting attacks that was mostly targeted at our civilians, and guess what? our actions have had HUGE effects in DRAMATICLY reducing the amount of attacks against us!!

You can harp how its counter productive all you want (which is actually a fallacious argument for the simple fact that no matter what we do or don’t do, they were lining up homicide bombers to attacks us anyways), but the reality is that before we went in, we were attacked daily (sometimes even twice or three times a day) and now its once a month or even once in longer periods then that…….that’s clear results on how effective we have been and its ONLY because of the IDF and shin bet actions (and the security anti terror fence) that we have had much more security.

We have PROVEN that our actions are effective contrary to a lot of you that said we cant be.

Shalom :D

[RavenW]

Perhaps the difference is that the Israeli children, have an army to guard them while palestinian children don't.

First things first...


Perhaps the difference is that the Israeli children, have an army to guard them...

1. Yes, as most other children in the world.
Yes American, British, Belgium and French children have an army that protects them.

So what? What's you point? You should not ride on the bus with them? Or you just simply not recognizing their right to live?

But I still did not get the answer why people refuse to sit on the ordniary bus with them as Israeli kids go to school.

They love to sit in Arafat's compound while this old terrorists sign bank checks for terrorists organizations, but they refuse to sit on the Israeli bus in Jerusalem.


2. Army or no army, but Israeli children are targeted for intentional murder by Palestinian terrorists. There are no military targets in the bus that rides 15 kids to school.

This is what we call a Crime against Humanity - intentional/deliberate attackt where civilians are the main target.

Since, Palestinians do this systematically, we can call it slow paced genocide.
While Germans usually picked up random 15 civilian Jews and executed them with machine guns.
Palestinians pick up random 15 Jews and slaughter them on the city bus, in cafe or disco club.



while palestinian children don't. [have an army]

1. Why the absence of Palestinian army has to do with refusal of some Jew-haters to sit on the bus with Jewish children.

2. Palestinian children do have an army to protect them.

a) An Israeli army is a regular army, and as such it does its outmost to protect those innocent civilians who try to avoid armed confrontation.
b) there were many examples, when an Israeli army protected Palestinian children. In fact, when Palestinian children attacked by Jewish extremists in West Bank, who do you think they running to? Palestinian terrorist? NO!
They usually run to Israeli blockpost, where they get both protection and medical asistance if they would be attack by Jewish terrorists in the middle of the road.
c) Palestinian children receive also a treatment from Jewish doctors and Israeli hospitals, sometimes they even transfered there by military medical helicopters, so they DO receive protection of the army.
d) I personally know the case, where Israeli army protected Palestinian children from domestic abuse (Palestinian terrorist was beating and abusing his nephew, so Israeli army went to his home and arrested him on the charges of domestic abuse).

2. However, it is true that Palestinian children don't have a Palestinian army.

Because Palestinians don't have an army as we know it, an army with codes of war and honor policy. They have simple gangs of thugs instead of an army.

So it is true, Palestinian children don't receive a protection from Palestinian militia. In fact, Palestinian militants indanger Palestinian youth, they abuse it and use it as cover and shield for their operations.

This cause outcry of complain from Palestinian Arab population that calls on terrorists to "stop indangering our youth!"

So the basic truth is - Palestinian children are hijacked by Palestinian terrorists and militants, and children as well as civilian population needs to be liberated by an army of honor from the terrorists rule that currently exists in Palestinian cities.

[Deuterium]

Not true.....listen Israel went back in the first time AFTER the Passover massacre where almost 30 man women and children were slaughtered as they were about to sit down for the Passover meal by a homcide/sucide bomber

As I recall it, the mentioned suicide bombing hit a passover meal primarily attended by elderly people. I suspect that the fragility of the victim's caused an above average number of the wounded to die.

But at that time the ball was already rolling.

As to the Israeli actions to stop the suicide bombs, if that indeed was the purpose, I still see much of it as counter-productive.

Yes they should do nothing and all die like good Jews. You would have made a good guard in Dachau. I see not all the racists are gone from Denmark. Your value of SOME human life is quite preposterous.

[RavenW]

would have made a good guard in Dachau.

:)

sorry, I know it's not a laughable matter, you just put it in funny way.

I personally tired to explain to everyone about Israel.

If they are so unbiased, then why don't they just grab a book or two and read about the country. It's not hard.
I did.

There are plenty of good historical material in the bookstore.

Like Howard Sachar "History of Israel".

This American professor who has Ph. D. in Middle East studies wrote like more than 1000 pages about Israeli history. Read him.

I mean, it's just frustrating that while there are numerous injusticies, abuses, crimes, and genocides are going on in the world, people prefer to focus on tiny Jewish state and bash it...

Why we don't talk about Sudan?

Where are so many posts on this forum about Algeria, Somalia, Zimbabwe?

What about civilians deaths in Kashmir? There are a lot of more deaths there. What about Tibet?

Why noone writes about European troops failing to stop Boasnian massacres only few years ago?


It's always about Jews...

[RavenW]

The counterfeit human rights industry
By Amnon Rubinstein

Shortly before the terror attack in Madrid there was an international conference of victims of terrorism. Nobel Peace Laureate David Trimble, head of the Unionist Party in Ulster, Northern Ireland, who spoke at the conference, said: "One of the great curses of this world is the human rights industry. They justify terrorist acts and end up being complicit in the murder of innocent victims."

The conference ended with a call on human rights groups "to defend the rights of the victims of terror, without blurring the distinction between the murderer and their victim." Human Rights Watch, the human rights group, issued a condemnation of that.

The concept of human rights has gone through a revolution, apparent in three aspects: the recognition that formal democratic procedures are not enough to protect human rights; the principle that no regime can deny any person "natural" rights, meaning those granted to them by virtue of being human (or in Judaism, by virtue of being in God's image); and the perception that civil rights are not the domestic considerations of a state but can be supervised by international law, and their violation gives other states the right to intervene in a state's affairs. Jews have a special interest in that aspect, since they are the main victims of the precept that civil rights are domestic matters for countries. It is no accident that Jews were key activists in formulating the language of treaties about human rights.

Nowadays, however, we can see two contradictory phenomena. One is supremely expressed in genuine defense of human rights by European institutions. The other is nothing but a broad industry, seemingly of human rights, resulting in a counterfeit product. That is the difference between the court in Strasbourg, peopled by professional justices from democratic states, and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva, headed by a representative of Libya, and member countries that belong on the bench of those accused of violating human rights.

There's also a huge ideological gulf between the original and the forgery. Human rights laws set grades of rights and the very top level is the right to life and personal safety. In other words, the law recognizes the relativity of rights: The right to life is more important, for example, than the right to privacy. The law is not the same for a state that murders its citizens, as Sudan did for nearly 20 years, and a state that suspends jury trials during periods of emergency to fight terrorism, as England did in Northern Ireland.

The human rights industry is made up of various organizations, academics, and media people who do the exact opposite: all rights are equal. Censorship is the equivalent of genocide. Detention without trial in Guantanamo is the equivalent of murderous terror.

While the original concept of human rights graduated rights according to their level of importance, there is no relativity in the approach taken by those who violate those rights. All the criminals should be judged according to the same criteria. On the other hand, if a Western country were to perpetrate only one-hundredth of the crimes conducted by Saudi Arabia against its residents, there would be an enormous outcry from Geneva to Berkeley. But despite the permanent protests by the human rights groups, few know how many people are executed in Saudi Arabia (in 1999 alone there were 301). But in Oslo, human rights devotees demonstrate against Israel. Nobody protests against the fence that Saudi Arabia is building on its border with Yemen - against international agreements and harming thousands of shepherds whose flocks graze on the lands were the fence is going up, but there is no organization that does not protest against Israel. That said, the fence route is indeed unjustified and causes injustice.

Thus the tables have been turned. What was relative in the original has become absolute in the counterfeiting industry and what was absolute has become conditional on political correctness.

[RavenW]

People are beautiful, the world stinks
Dennis Prager (archive)

If you love goodness and hate evil, this is a tough time to stay sane.

Israel has killed Abdel Aziz Rantisi, the Hamas terror leader, and almost every nation in the world and the nations' theoretical embodiment, the United Nations, have condemned Israel for doing so.
World leaders and the world organization have said almost nothing about Communist China's ongoing destruction of one of the world's oldest civilizations, Tibet. World leaders have said almost nothing about the Arab enslavement and genocide of non-Arab blacks in Sudan. But they convene world conferences to label Israel, one of the most humane and decent democracies on earth, a pariah.
In order to retain my sanity, I ask the reader's indulgence as I use this column to express personal thoughts.
I have contempt for "the world." I cherish and admire countless individuals, but I have contempt for "the world" and "world opinion." "The world" has never cared about evils inflicted on human beings. The Communist genocides meant nothing to humanity. The Holocaust meant nothing. With almost no exception, the mass atrocities since World War II have likewise absorbed humanity less than the Olympics or the Miss World Contest.
I have contempt for the United Nations. It is one of the great obstacles to goodness and decency on this planet. Its moral record -- outside of a few specialized agencies such as the World Health Organization -- is almost entirely supportive of evil and condemnatory of good. It is dominated by the most morally backward governments in the world -- those from the Arab and Muslim worlds, the Communists during their heyday and African despots. It appointed Libya, a despotic, primitive state, to head its Human Rights Commission, whose members include China, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. Neither the United States nor Israel sits on the Commission.
I regard the European Union with similar revulsion. With little opposition, Europe murdered nearly every Jewish man, woman and child in its midst, and a half-century later provides cover for those in the Middle East who seek to do to the Middle East's Jews exactly what the Nazis did to the European Jews. For the European Union to condemn Israel's killing of a Hamas leader, when Hamas's avowed aim is another Jewish genocide, is so loathsome as to board the incredible. For Germany and France (who, unlike America, have almost never shed blood for the liberty of others) to do everything they can to undermine America's attempt to liberate Iraq is similarly repugnant.
As for the international news media and journalists, I regard most of them as aides to evil.
This is not new. The 1932 Pulitzer Prize, American journalism's highest award, was given to Walter Duranty of the New York Times for reporting from the Soviet Union. In his reports, Duranty repeatedly denied Stalin's forced starvation of Ukrainians that led to the murder of more than 6 million of them. The same "newspaper of record" deliberately toned down reporting on the Nazi annihilation of Jews 10 years later so as not to appear "too Jewish."
The Soviet decimation of Afghanistan was so little reported in the international media -- especially radio and television -- that when I talked about its scope and horror on my radio show in the 1980s, listeners kept wondering if I was telling the truth -- they had never heard anything about it.
In the last years of the Saddam Hussein regime, according to John Burns of the New York Times, major news reporters refused to write stories about Iraqi mass murder and atrocities lest the Saddam regime remove their press credentials. For most journalists, and their newspapers and television stations, it was better to lie for Saddam and have a bureau in Baghdad than to tell the truth but have no Baghdad bureau.
And not one international news organization calls Hamas or any of the other Palestinian terror organizations "terrorists."
I love learning and revere the title of "professor," but with few exceptions, universities, too, merit contempt. The vast majority of professors who take positions on social issues are moral fools. They teach millions of students that America and Israel are villains and that the enemies of those decent societies are merely misunderstood victims who are often justified in their hatred. And they loathe the American Judeo-Christian value system that has made the United States the world's land of opportunity and beacon of liberty.
In sum, I feel that I am living in a world that is morally sick. Good is called bad, and bad is called "militant," "victimized," "misunderstood" and "the product of hopelessness," but rarely bad. Only those who fight the bad are called bad.
I am kept sane by the knowledge that there are hundreds of millions of individuals who can still tell the difference between good and evil; by the knowledge that there was never a time that humanity was particularly decent; and by a strong belief that a good God governs the universe even though He allows evil many triumphs. And I believe this God will judge Osama bin Laden and Jacques Chirac appropriately.

[Kilgor]

People are beautiful, the world stinks
Dennis Prager (archive)

If you love goodness and hate evil, this is a tough time to stay sane.

Israel has killed Abdel Aziz Rantisi, the Hamas terror leader, and almost every nation in the world and the nations' theoretical embodiment, the United Nations, have condemned Israel for doing so.
World leaders and the world organization have said almost nothing about Communist China's ongoing destruction of one of the world's oldest civilizations, Tibet. World leaders have said almost nothing about the Arab enslavement and genocide of non-Arab blacks in Sudan. But they convene world conferences to label Israel, one of the most humane and decent democracies on earth, a pariah.
In order to retain my sanity, I ask the reader's indulgence as I use this column to express personal thoughts.
I have contempt for "the world." I cherish and admire countless individuals, but I have contempt for "the world" and "world opinion." "The world" has never cared about evils inflicted on human beings. The Communist genocides meant nothing to humanity. The Holocaust meant nothing. With almost no exception, the mass atrocities since World War II have likewise absorbed humanity less than the Olympics or the Miss World Contest.
I have contempt for the United Nations. It is one of the great obstacles to goodness and decency on this planet. Its moral record -- outside of a few specialized agencies such as the World Health Organization -- is almost entirely supportive of evil and condemnatory of good. It is dominated by the most morally backward governments in the world -- those from the Arab and Muslim worlds, the Communists during their heyday and African despots. It appointed Libya, a despotic, primitive state, to head its Human Rights Commission, whose members include China, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. Neither the United States nor Israel sits on the Commission.
I regard the European Union with similar revulsion. With little opposition, Europe murdered nearly every Jewish man, woman and child in its midst, and a half-century later provides cover for those in the Middle East who seek to do to the Middle East's Jews exactly what the Nazis did to the European Jews. For the European Union to condemn Israel's killing of a Hamas leader, when Hamas's avowed aim is another Jewish genocide, is so loathsome as to board the incredible. For Germany and France (who, unlike America, have almost never shed blood for the liberty of others) to do everything they can to undermine America's attempt to liberate Iraq is similarly repugnant.
As for the international news media and journalists, I regard most of them as aides to evil.
This is not new. The 1932 Pulitzer Prize, American journalism's highest award, was given to Walter Duranty of the New York Times for reporting from the Soviet Union. In his reports, Duranty repeatedly denied Stalin's forced starvation of Ukrainians that led to the murder of more than 6 million of them. The same "newspaper of record" deliberately toned down reporting on the Nazi annihilation of Jews 10 years later so as not to appear "too Jewish."
The Soviet decimation of Afghanistan was so little reported in the international media -- especially radio and television -- that when I talked about its scope and horror on my radio show in the 1980s, listeners kept wondering if I was telling the truth -- they had never heard anything about it.
In the last years of the Saddam Hussein regime, according to John Burns of the New York Times, major news reporters refused to write stories about Iraqi mass murder and atrocities lest the Saddam regime remove their press credentials. For most journalists, and their newspapers and television stations, it was better to lie for Saddam and have a bureau in Baghdad than to tell the truth but have no Baghdad bureau.
And not one international news organization calls Hamas or any of the other Palestinian terror organizations "terrorists."
I love learning and revere the title of "professor," but with few exceptions, universities, too, merit contempt. The vast majority of professors who take positions on social issues are moral fools. They teach millions of students that America and Israel are villains and that the enemies of those decent societies are merely misunderstood victims who are often justified in their hatred. And they loathe the American Judeo-Christian value system that has made the United States the world's land of opportunity and beacon of liberty.
In sum, I feel that I am living in a world that is morally sick. Good is called bad, and bad is called "militant," "victimized," "misunderstood" and "the product of hopelessness," but rarely bad. Only those who fight the bad are called bad.
I am kept sane by the knowledge that there are hundreds of millions of individuals who can still tell the difference between good and evil; by the knowledge that there was never a time that humanity was particularly decent; and by a strong belief that a good God governs the universe even though He allows evil many triumphs. And I believe this God will judge Osama bin Laden and Jacques Chirac appropriately.


Excellent woot

[seruriermarshal]

Thank you RavenW .

woot

[SeanAshi]

While while were talking about stopping something how about stopping Palestinian suicide bombers?

[front]

Yeah... that was the one that acted as 'human shield' for terrorists.

You know, there were some like her in Baghdad protecting Saddam.

Have a read of this:

http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-guttman120503.htm

"Craig Corrie sent just one e-mail to his daughter during the seven weeks she spent in Rafah. She addressed most of her letters to her mother, Cindy, and Craig read them with concern. When he was a soldier serving in Vietnam, he would send his loved ones letters with few details and mostly laconic, knowing that too much of a detailed description of the war and the dangers would only increase the worry at home. At home in North Carolina when he read his daughter's letters, he knew she too was concealing a lot of the dangers. "I knew she didn't write long letters in order not to make it hard for us," he says, "it was hard for me to write back." Eventually, he sent her a brief letter a week before she was killed - "I find writing to you hard, but not thinking about you impossible," he wrote in an e-mail to his daughter, "I am afraid for you, and I think I have reason to be. But I'm also proud of you - very proud." Rachel wrote back the next day. It was the last e-mail she sent before she was struck and killed by a blow from an IDF bulldozer in Rafah on March 16."

Rachel Corrie was a far, far braver woman than you could ever be a man, RavenW.

She had the courage of her convictions and she literally stood up in front of something she thought was wrong.

You are lucky RavenW... without women like Rachel Corrie... sure the whole world would most likely be like your life.

Nothing to protest about, nothing to care about, and nothing to give a **** about unless you were told how to behave by your honorable masters.

We are lucky that women like Rachel Corrie were brought up here in America.

"February 27, 2003

I have bad nightmares about tanks and bulldozers outside our house and you and me inside. Sometimes the adrenaline acts as an anesthetic for weeks and then in the evening or at night it just hits me again - a little bit of the reality of the situation. I am really scared for the people here

Just want to write to my mom and tell her that I'm witnessing this chronic, insidious genocide and I'm really scared, and questioning my fundamental belief in the goodness of human nature. This has to stop. I think it is a good idea for us all to drop everything and devote our lives to making this stop. I don't think it's an extremist thing to do anymore."

--- Rachel Corrie

Rachel Corrie, 23, was murdered on 16 March 2003.

cheers

front

[RavenW]

...Just want to write to my mom and tell her that I'm witnessing this chronic, insidious genocide...


said enough, isn't it.

Scum and the evil lier is even worse than I thought.

I guess some people from Europe and America don't have conscience, but why blame Jews for this absence?


...........................................
and what really more upseting is that there are people all over the world who are actually buying her kind of filthy lies... I guess it makes them sleep well at night, knowing that "Jews are no better than they were themselves."



I think it was a German Rabbi who survived Holocaust that once said: "Germans will never forget Jews for Auswitz"...

... speaks for itself... I guess, Europeans will never forget Jews for the genocide of Jews in Europe.

wherever there are Jews, they will serve as a living reminder to Europeans what kind of pigs they were during 1940s.

[Kilgor]

I bet the view from those armoured dozers isnt too good.

The stupid bitch stepped in front of one, the driver didnt see her and squish....

Not murder, just stupidity.

[RavenW]

It's not the stupidity, but a filthy lie, propaganda and support to terrorists.

That's what she is guilty for.

[front]

RavenW writes: wherever there are Jews, they will serve as a living reminder to Europeans what kind of pigs they were during 1940s.

There were enough Europeans, my friend who were not "pigs" in the 1940s, (nor, believe it or not, in the 1930s), who recognised what was happening.

I suggest that you take that brush, which you tar the European people with, and put it out on your porch and let it dry.

I also suggest that you do some more reading on European history during the 1930s and 1940s. It might just educate you.

Rachel Corrie wrote:

"...Just want to write to my mom and tell her that I'm witnessing this chronic, insidious genocide..."

Well... I am gald you paused enough to read her email RavenW... it was the only chance you ever saw it, eh? And to bother to quote it?!

RavenW wrote: said enough, isn't it.

RavenW wrote: Scum and the evil lier is even worse than I thought.

Hardly... and it is "liar" when you have a minute. Take yourself off to a different board where your ideals will not be challenged, eh? Here is a place:

http://www.freerepublicrepublic.com/

You'll find a bunch of patriots quite willing to absorb your arguments without any debate nor challenge. You'll be happy there.

cheers

front

[front]

I bet the view from those armoured dozers isnt too good.

The stupid bitch stepped in front of one, the driver didnt see her and squish....

Not murder, just stupidity.

A US citizen died on foreign soil. Ususally the FBI (and I am not joking nor making a political issue out of this... just standard asking where the standard Federal B.I. investigation was) gets involved.

You know... basic "innocent until proven guilty", " US citizen dies... who, what, where, when?", " Our Bill Of Rights", "Due process." Etc. You know what I mean.

Did it happen with Rachel Corrie?

No.

Have a read again before you keep up the litany of ignorance:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar04/Corrie0302.htm

"As we approach March 16th, residents and citizens of the United States should ask themselves how it is that an unarmed United States citizen can be killed with impunity by a soldier from an allied nation receiving massive United States aid, using a product manufactured in the United States by a United States corporation and paid for with United States tax dollars."

I get it... how about you guys just keep pushing the "terrorist apologist" quotes about Rachel Corrie. I'll just keep posting in answer about what the questions should be.

Okay?

Thanks. :-)

cheers

front

[RavenW]

There were enough Europeans, my friend who were not "pigs" in the 1940s,


and I did not say that all Eruopeans were pigs. That would be flatly wrong.
Especially since I am European (originally) myself.
And by the way, all my family still in Europe, where I came from myself, lives there.

If you think that my uncle, my aunt, my grandmother, my grandpa or my cousins are Jews, you are very wrong. I come from Christian family of Europeans.

So don't accuse me of something I did not say.



I suggest that you take that brush, which you tar the European people with, and put it out on your porch and let it dry.


I suggest you do the same with AMericans and Israelis.

But on every good European that acted during Holocaust, there were 10 Europeans... maybe 50 that did NOTHING.

[RavenW]

A US citizen died on foreign soil


Actually US citizen died on foreign soil.

Tanenbaum was one month old baby when Palestinian murdered him on Jerusalem Bus last Summer.

Want more?

Americans murdered by Arab and Palestinian Terror
http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html


Israeli victims of terror
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/terrorism-%20obstacle%20to%20peace/palestinian%20terror%20since%202000/In%20Memory%20of%20the%20Victims%20of%20Palestinian%20Violence%20a

[front]

There were enough Europeans, my friend who were not "pigs" in the 1940s,


and I did not say that all Eruopeans were pigs. That would be flatly wrong.


You just wrote this:

"wherever there are Jews, they will serve as a living reminder to Europeans what kind of pigs they were during 1940s."

That is all. Now you attempt to qualify your racsist statement when you are caught up short! Don't make us laugh.

>So don't accuse me of something I did not say.

What?! Please... I am not going to argue with you anymore. Just go away. You made comments about Rachel Corrie which were disgusting, you made general racist comments about Europeans, and now you attempt to backpedal with some sort of post which attempts to follow through on some ideal that you are not to be ignored on.

Go away RavenW. You are a troll. You have never given a single link, nor source for your quotes, and your misogynistic ideals have been bared.

We waste our time bothering to even read your palaver.

cheers

front

[RavenW]

1. If saying that "Europeans acted like pigs during Holocaust (1940s)", then I am guilty of racism. That's settles it.
Even though being European both by origin, blood and family faith makes me laugh how you and other evil-doers always twist between the side of good and evil.

2. If you think that Rachel Corrie was a good person, then you are deserve her destiny.

She is an evil doer as much as whole bunch of porgomers from Poland that went to Palestine to "help Arab brothers" in 1948.

I personally think anyone who shileds evil from a justified punishments is an evil itself.
Thus, Rachel Corrie, who not only spread false and evil lies and propaganda, but actively participated in such terrorist-sympatiser organization as "Solidarity with Palestine" deserves her destiny.
For me she is no different from KKK, Nazi Club or any other racist organization that supports Israel-haters.

Whether, she was a stupid girl, that's a totally different question.

BUT one thing for sure, she was an evil person. The world is better without her.

I hope soon she will be joined by her sweet buddies - Arafat and Osama bin Laden.


and Last, it is obvious to me on what kind of level you are located, I find it personally offensive to spend more time of my life for the such... hm-hm.... person as you are. So long and enjoy yourself!

[front]

A US citizen died on foreign soil


Actually US citizen died on foreign soil.

Tanenbaum was one month old baby when Palestinian murdered him on Jerusalem Bus last Summer.

Want more?



NO I DON'T

Enough. I want to see each and every US citizen who died on foreign soil investigated. Alright, my friend...

You must have been blinded by by the rascists to think you have to justify yourself here. We look for the truth.

Do you think that I would not demand a simililar investigation into the death of the child "Tanenbaum"?

No. But I did not do so on this Board... because no one denigrated this childs memory.

As you did with Rachel Corrie.

With all due respect.... can you point us to a website which talks about this one year old US child named "Tanenbaum"... I would like to read about him.

Thank you.

cheers

front

[Kilgor]

I bet the view from those armoured dozers isnt too good.

The stupid bitch stepped in front of one, the driver didnt see her and squish....

Not murder, just stupidity.

A US citizen died on foreign soil. Ususally the FBI (and I am not joking nor making a political issue out of this... just standard asking where the standard Federal B.I. investigation was) gets involved.



Prove to me it was a intentional murder and not a accident and ill start to give a ****. But to me it looks like a case of someone jumping infront of a bulldozer and expecting the driver to see her and stop.

We have environmentalists here that do those sort of stupid actions. They basically throw themselves in front of moving bulldozers and demand it stops.

Doing silly things around big dangerous machinery will get you hurt.

She learned this the hard way.

[front]

1
For me she is no different from KKK, Nazi Club or any other racist organization that supports Israel-haters.


HAHHHAHAHAHAHHA!

[Gasp]

No Please... let me get my breath.

Fcuk me... and I was even BOTHERING to argue with you. Mea Culpa... hahaha. Holllleeee Sheeeeeeet. A real living bollocks.

Witness:

"Whether, she was a stupid girl, that's a totally different question. "

Rachel Corrie was a "stupid girl".

Hey... how about we just put "the girls" in "shawls" and then we "ignore" them.

Would that suit you RavenW? Fcuking talk about pricks.

Goodbye RavenW.

Er... we'll see you when you arrive in the 21st Century. And, eh... don't go to http://www.freerepublic.com please like I said earlier on. You'll put the fear of God in them, and I would not wish you on my worst enemies. :-)

Thanks.

cheers

front

[front]

Kilgor wrote:

>"Prove to me"

PROVE to you?! PROVE TO YOU?! Who are you Mister?

PROVE to YOU?

You must be joking.

>Doing silly things around big dangerous machinery will get you hurt.

>She learned this the hard way.

Oh man. You need to wake up... and I really mean it. Do you think that her murder was committed in your name or something? Do you think that any questions raised about her death impugns on your "patriotism"?

Do you think that Rachel Corrie was a THREAT to you?

Jesus Christ. Why are you attempting to justify her death here? Why are you ignoring that there just might be something different to the story which you read?

Do you really think that she deserved that death? Do you really think that there should be no investigation into her death more than a year on?

Do you really think that an American woman should die without us knowing what really happened? You are told she stepped in front of a bulldozer... doe that JUSTIFY her death?

Kilgor wrote: "We have environmentalists here that do those sort of stupid actions. They basically throw themselves in front of moving bulldozers and demand it stops.

Doing silly things around big dangerous machinery will get you hurt. "

It does not justify their deaths!!!

cheers

front

[Fargin]

Rachel Corrin is to be considered an idiot by todays standarts. She was an idiot because she was an idealist. She was an idiot because she died unarmed for what she considered an injustice. She was an idiot because she traveled across the world to protect an innocent families. She was an idiot for having the guts to confront Isreals armed forces unarmed and getting crushed to death for her believs. She was an idiot because she had courage to litteraly take a stand.

Rachel Corrin might have been an idiot, but she has my deepest respect.

[SeanAshi]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Rachel+Corrie/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.inhonor.net/pictures/Rachel%20Corrie%20burning%20us%20flag.jpg
What is she doing?
ISM said she was crushed twice by the D9, wouldn't her body be in worse shape?
Graphic: http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Rachel+Corrie/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie7.jpg

Rachel Corrin might have been an idiot, but she has my deepest respect.Sorry but I don't give respect to anyone who protest on behalf of suicide bombers.

[front]

Well... show them all. Let's see what our bulldozers do:

http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie1.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie2.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie3.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie4.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie5.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie6.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie7.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie8.jpg


http://www.muslim-markt.de/Palaestina-Spezial/geschichtechronik/images/corrie9.jpg

And please. Keep the anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic rhetoric to a minimum.

cheers

front

[Fargin]

wouldn't her body be in worse shape?
Do you mean worse than dead?

[W(M)D]

If as a civvie you interfere with MILITARY operations, then dont expect to be treated by a different set of standards to those applied to the enemy (which these people clearly support), this is not a matter of civil protest but interference with war fighting operations.
Did she think she was in Tiannemen Square or something?

[OB Kenobi]

http://wordofmessiah.org/images/arafat_n_pope.jpg

[Moledet]

Yeah, Rachel corrie was a real peace maker:
http://www.honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg
:roll:

[Moledet]

Rachel Corrin is to be considered an idiot by todays standarts. She was an idiot because she was an idealist. She was an idiot because she died unarmed for what she considered an injustice. She was an idiot because she traveled across the world to protect an innocent families. She was an idiot for having the guts to confront Isreals armed forces unarmed and getting crushed to death for her believs. She was an idiot because she had courage to litteraly take a stand.

Rachel Corrin might have been an idiot, but she has my deepest respect.
She was an idiot because she thought that a 5 meters tall bulldozer can see her from a distance of 10 meters. She was an idiot because she didn't check what is realy in the house that she was protecting. She was an idiot because she didn't protect the civilians but incited them into violence. She was an idiot because standing infront of 50 tons of steel can not be a smart thing.

P.S. RavenW is right, Europeans didn't care about what was happening to the Jews, a very small minority (few thousands out of hundreds of millions) did something to help the Jews but the rest just thought "finaly they get what they deserve those filthy Jews".
Unfortunatrely you don't care even now and you keep inciting against Jews, and you still have double standard, and you still use stereotypes and you still support who that work against Jews, that's just sick.

[front]

Yeah, Rachel corrie was a real peace maker:
http://www.honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg
:roll:

So... in your opinion, through that photo link you posted?

And show the photo:

http://www.honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg

Did she deserve to die?

Tell us Moledet... Did she deserve to die because she stood in front of a bulldozer?

C'mon... keep it going. More photos please..... and other justifications. Keep it going.

cheers

front

[UkrainianAmerican]

Heres a photo of Ms. Pancake:
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

[Moledet]

Yeah, Rachel corrie was a real peace maker:
http://www.honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg
:roll:

So... in your opinion, through that photo link you posted?

And show the photo:


Did she deserve to die?

Tell us Moledet... Did she deserve to die because she stood in front of a bulldozer?

C'mon... keep it going. More photos please..... and other justifications. Keep it going.

cheers

front
I didn't show the photo so this thread won't disturb people with 56K.
No, she didn't deserve dying but she is responsible for her own death because she should have known that the bulldozer driver can not see her.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Front, she provided comfort and aid to the TERRORISTS. She is a terrorist. F*ck her.

[Javehn]

Let's say I disagree with all that terrorist bull**** . She had her idiology , fine , every one is entitled of idiology .
But she wasn't killed because of her idiology . She was killed because of her stupidy . Just like this gentlemen , RIP (James Miller) :


http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/reporterdead.jpg
Very very very bad idea to look and act like that . Very bad , and very stupid , and also to do it in sneeky mode ...

And I for person can add , that many ISM people acted with much stupidity that endangered their lifes , both from our and from Palestine fire . I can tell about siutation , when only sharp actions of a gunner , who left the trigger at the last second , not ended the lifes of those people . They were so close to death and they didn't even knew that .

They should now - if you stand next to where there is fire - you can burn . Simple logic . No need to blame anybody else

[S'13]

A U.S.-based company has been warned by a United Nations expert not to sell bulldozers to Israel because of the way the Israeli army is using them.

:lol:

Israel has the ability to develop and build its own MBT's, its own aircrafts and even its own satellites and satellite launchers.

Do they really think we will have a problem developing an Israeli made Caterpillar bulldozer?!

[Javehn]

I think we got UN all wrong .

Infact , they just care about us , and they want to see some grouth in our domestic motor industry . Why not , it wil get the unemployment down , provide some good jobs , and the world will see some quality tracktor .
Or they just want some marketing for Catterpiler and John Dear . Helpfull for the world economy . The UN aren't so stupid as some think :lol: . We just got them all wrong . rofl

[cut]

Let's say I disagree with all that terrorist bull**** . She had her idiology , fine , every one is entitled of idiology .
But she wasn't killed because of her idiology . She was killed because of her stupidy . Just like this gentlemen , RIP (James Miller) :


http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/reporterdead.jpg
Very very very bad idea to look and act like that . Very bad , and very stupid , and also to do it in sneeky mode ...

And I for person can add , that many ISM people acted with much stupidity that endangered their lifes , both from our and from Palestine fire . I can tell about siutation , when only sharp actions of a gunner , who left the trigger at the last second , not ended the lifes of those people . They were so close to death and they didn't even knew that .

They should now - if you stand next to where there is fire - you can burn . Simple logic . No need to blame anybody else


James Miller's documentary was shown on TV recently, they were very fair on israel during the whole programme despite what happened. The film they made of the palestinians potrayed them as a mentally ill society worshiping death, which they even did with the death of james miller.

James Miller and a his crew wanted to get out an area while it was quiet, they didn't want to get shot so they decided (perhaps foolishly) to go up to the apc HOLDING UP A WHITE FLAG to tell them they were going to leave, that was when he was shot. It wasn't a case of him sneaking around trying to get a better shot, they had been in plain view of that APC for ages. If they honestly thought they were palestinians which an rpg they would have shot at them hours before.

[Javehn]

a)I have a friend that was on that case . Trust me I know a little better then you how it's happend .
b)I brought the picture as a demostration of foolish act .

[Deuterium]

Let's say I disagree with all that terrorist bull**** . She had her idiology , fine , every one is entitled of idiology .
But she wasn't killed because of her idiology . She was killed because of her stupidy . Just like this gentlemen , RIP (James Miller) :


http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/reporterdead.jpg
Very very very bad idea to look and act like that . Very bad , and very stupid , and also to do it in sneeky mode ...

And I for person can add , that many ISM people acted with much stupidity that endangered their lifes , both from our and from Palestine fire . I can tell about siutation , when only sharp actions of a gunner , who left the trigger at the last second , not ended the lifes of those people . They were so close to death and they didn't even knew that .

They should now - if you stand next to where there is fire - you can burn . Simple logic . No need to blame anybody else


James Miller's documentary was shown on TV recently, they were very fair on israel during the whole programme despite what happened. The film they made of the palestinians potrayed them as a mentally ill society worshiping death, which they even did with the death of james miller.

James Miller and a his crew wanted to get out an area while it was quiet, they didn't want to get shot so they decided (perhaps foolishly) to go up to the apc HOLDING UP A WHITE FLAG to tell them they were going to leave, that was when he was shot. It wasn't a case of him sneaking around trying to get a better shot, they had been in plain view of that APC for ages. If they honestly thought they were palestinians which an rpg they would have shot at them hours before.

Fuc*ed-up stuff happens when we decide to use force to solve problems. I have yet to meet a soldier in the civilized world who would shoot the press regardless of how good it might feel. Now there are plenty examples of the un-civilized world DIRECTLY targeting the press.

[Geezah]

As I recall it, the mentioned suicide bombing hit a passover meal primarily attended by elderly people. I suspect that the fragility of the victim's caused an above average number of the wounded to die. :cantbeli: wow and your absurdity knows no ends :roll:

Listen, almost 30 civilians were purposely targeted and blown up in pieces and countless more were injured, whether they were old or not, the fact is that the homicide bomber’s intention was to kill as much innocents as he could and your claims that the death toll was greater because they were older has no bearing at all on what happened there and its shameful that you can even attempt to rationalize this in the way that you have.


I have to agree 110% with IDFM203, innocent life is precious! I don't care if a few of these old guys only had a few more weeks to live they still would have died from natural causes given the chance and to be taken from this Earth by some selfish a-hole terrorist just burns me up.
Rather than say they were old and would have died anyway, why not look at these guys as someones Grandmother or Grandfather and think about the kids and grandkids, what affect this would have had on them! :cantbeli:

[Fargin]

I hope what happened was an tradgic accident.


P.S. RavenW is right, Europeans didn't care about what was happening to the Jews, a very small minority (few thousands out of hundreds of millions) did something to help the Jews but the rest just thought "finaly they get what they deserve those filthy Jews".
Unfortunatrely you don't care even now and you keep inciting against Jews, and you still have double standard, and you still use stereotypes and you still support who that work against Jews, that's just sick.
My late grandmother was an anti-semite alright. Every now and then while we where discussing politics or watching TV, she'd say something that would kill the conversation completely, and we'd look at her with disbelief. Both sides of my family was active in the resistance movement, hiding jews, arranging their escape, my grandfather was imprisoned and his brother deported to a KZ camp, so we were always shocked every time my grandmother revieled her ignorance and hatefullness(god bless her soul).

Calling all European anti-semites, is just as f****** stupid as if I seriously thought you were speaking on the behalf on the majority in Isreal. You can close your eyes and believe we hate you and your religion and dismiss any criticism as being anti-semetic.

I once saw a documentary about an American/Jewish old married couple visiting Denmark, because "we" had done so much for the jews durring the war. Apparently the Danish efforts have reached mythical hights. It's clearly overrated, but it's still something to be proud of. Yesterday I went to see Daniel Libeskinds newly opened Jewish museum in Copenhagen. I felt so inspired that I went and bought a new book of one of my favourite authors, Martin Armis. One of my favourits is the very controversial: Time's Arrow, or The Nature of the Offense.

Things are never black and white and I don't sit around hating jews all day.

[cut]

a)I have a friend that was on that case . Trust me I know a little better then you how it's happend .
b)I brought the picture as a demostration of foolish act .

which incident are you talking about earlier on or when he was shot?
The guys in the APC were israeli arabs.

They could have cut the documentary in an incriminating way, but then what would be the point? If you get to see the documentary you'll see what I mean.

If you assume this is an anti-israeli film crew then you're wrong.

[Moledet]

Let's say I disagree with all that terrorist bull**** . She had her idiology , fine , every one is entitled of idiology .
But she wasn't killed because of her idiology . She was killed because of her stupidy . Just like this gentlemen , RIP (James Miller) :


http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/reporterdead.jpg
Very very very bad idea to look and act like that . Very bad , and very stupid , and also to do it in sneeky mode ...

And I for person can add , that many ISM people acted with much stupidity that endangered their lifes , both from our and from Palestine fire . I can tell about siutation , when only sharp actions of a gunner , who left the trigger at the last second , not ended the lifes of those people . They were so close to death and they didn't even knew that .

They should now - if you stand next to where there is fire - you can burn . Simple logic . No need to blame anybody else


James Miller's documentary was shown on TV recently, they were very fair on israel during the whole programme despite what happened. The film they made of the palestinians potrayed them as a mentally ill society worshiping death, which they even did with the death of james miller.

James Miller and a his crew wanted to get out an area while it was quiet, they didn't want to get shot so they decided (perhaps foolishly) to go up to the apc HOLDING UP A WHITE FLAG to tell them they were going to leave, that was when he was shot. It wasn't a case of him sneaking around trying to get a better shot, they had been in plain view of that APC for ages. If they honestly thought they were palestinians which an rpg they would have shot at them hours before.
Have you watched his tape? He held a white flag in the dark (I don't think that anyone can see a white flag in the dark) while soldiers hided behind an APC because of Palestinian fire and he came behind them holding something, what did you expect them to do? To wait to see if he will shoot and just then to shoot at him? He acted foolishely and his death is his own fault.

P.S. What his death has to do with the topic of this thread?

[Mr. Nielsen]

I have to agree 110% with IDFM203, innocent life is precious!

I think we can say that is obvious.


As I recall it, the mentioned suicide bombing hit a passover meal primarily attended by elderly people.

Here I'm just straightening out the facts from the previous post.


I suspect that the fragility of the victim's caused an above average number of the wounded to die.

This is just an afterthought. I remember that the death toll climbed long after the attack, contrary to most other such attacks. I'm not saying that it makes the death of these people more "okay" than if they had been young.

[cut]

Let's say I disagree with all that terrorist bull**** . She had her idiology , fine , every one is entitled of idiology .
But she wasn't killed because of her idiology . She was killed because of her stupidy . Just like this gentlemen , RIP (James Miller) :


http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/reporterdead.jpg
Very very very bad idea to look and act like that . Very bad , and very stupid , and also to do it in sneeky mode ...

And I for person can add , that many ISM people acted with much stupidity that endangered their lifes , both from our and from Palestine fire . I can tell about siutation , when only sharp actions of a gunner , who left the trigger at the last second , not ended the lifes of those people . They were so close to death and they didn't even knew that .

They should now - if you stand next to where there is fire - you can burn . Simple logic . No need to blame anybody else


James Miller's documentary was shown on TV recently, they were very fair on israel during the whole programme despite what happened. The film they made of the palestinians potrayed them as a mentally ill society worshiping death, which they even did with the death of james miller.

James Miller and a his crew wanted to get out an area while it was quiet, they didn't want to get shot so they decided (perhaps foolishly) to go up to the apc HOLDING UP A WHITE FLAG to tell them they were going to leave, that was when he was shot. It wasn't a case of him sneaking around trying to get a better shot, they had been in plain view of that APC for ages. If they honestly thought they were palestinians which an rpg they would have shot at them hours before.
Have you watched his tape? He held a white flag in the dark (I don't think that anyone can see a white flag in the dark) while soldiers hided behind an APC because of Palestinian fire and he came behind them holding something, what did you expect them to do? To wait to see if he will shoot and just then to shoot at him? He acted foolishely and his death is his own fault.

P.S. What his death has to do with the topic of this thread?


yes I have seen the footage I take it you were to ignorant to notice the torch (flashlight) lighting it up? So it would of been easily visible, night vision or no night vision.

Yes they acted foolishely (there were 3 of them, funny how they didn't shoot all the "attackers").

The point I'm trying to make is that John Miller wasn't killed trying to get footage, he was killed when they wanted to get out of there, after waiting for hours, the was no shooting when they came out (why would they go out when troops were exchanging fire?).


Also from the footage the bit Javehn is talking about where his friend almost shot them, that was when they were filming the kids throwing rocks when all of a sudden APCs and/or tanks turned up. James Miller and his crew were already there before the tanks showed up, yes it was dangerous, but you can't call them stupid for that, they were filming kids afterall.


P.S.: I didn't bring this up

[Javehn]

I brought this up , Moledet . I wasn't talking about his death (as I understood it was very fishy , but i will not get into it) , i was talking about this picture of him .
I brought this up , as a connection to the fact that people die from their acts of stupidity .
Here is a perfect example of how people can be stupid sometimes . His crue is wearing helmets , they are in operational column , they are getting down , every one have his camera west that can be seen as regular west , and on top one has a camera on his sholder , and it's not that hard to mistake it for ATGM . Soldiers are not magicians , they can't guess that he is really holding a camera . On this case , nothing happend . It happend later .
Anyway, the point is that there is a Audio tape of IDF radio talk on that Correy accident (it was on Israeli program "Fact" ) . The one who saw that the driver hit Correy was not even the driver , but a surveilance unit , and it forwarded the news to the D9 driver after some time . He was "surprised" to say the list .

[IDFM203]

This is just an afterthought. I remember that the death toll climbed long after the attack, contrary to most other such attacks. Actually that’s also false, for there are plenty of other attacks, where a lot of the brutally injured have died much later from their wounds.

Your afterthoughts was despicable and shameful and I have to admit it does lead me to question if you are just a fanatic extremist lefty which I had always thought, or perhaps Deuterium was right about you.




As for this whole Rachel corrie thing, well I always find it interesting when I see here extremist ideologues taking up her cause and defending what she was doing there, though when a lot worse happens to us, meaning when lives are slaughtered by homicide bombers (which I would think lives lost is a lot worse then mere stones and bricks bieng destroyed), which is an act that is a lot worse then the houses that she goes to protect, you rarely see any of them comment or put their lives on the line there, or like RavenW says actually ride Israeli buses, but anyways my real point of this post is what I find is the despicable manner that her ideologues throw in her American citizenship, when in reality she renounced her nation so publicly and did so in a foreign land, to me that’s treason. Now I am not commenting on whether she deserved to die or not and I am not saying that her burning an American flag on foreign soil means she deserved to die, all I am saying that I find it appalling that her ideologues and supporters would rush to use her American origin, when she in reality spit at the nation of her origin and did so on foreign soil, an act much worse then simply doing it in the U.S.

P.S. To Geezah, well I was looking for agreement with me 120 percent and not 110, so I guess we can truly never see eye to eye ;)

Anyways just kidding around, good post and nice effort by you, even if this was an obvious one to take.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Your afterthoughts was despicable and shameful and I have to admit it does lead me to question if you are just a fanatic extremist lefty which I had always thought, or perhaps Deuterium was right about you.


Holly **** !! I just read Fuhrer Nielsen deepest thought !!! What the freeking hell ??

[Mark_Aspen]

This is from Wikipedia; don't think they have an agenda. The article is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie the pictures there are the same ones posted earleir this thread, they indicate that the photos were taken before the incident that killed her. Incidentally, American friends of mine solicited the ISM to have members ride on random buses in Israel. They never received a response.


Fatal incident in Rafah

Corrie hours before incident.On March 16, 2003, Corrie was one of a group of seven ISM activists (consisting of three British and four Americans) who were attempting to disrupt IDF demolition operations where armoured bulldozers were being used to level buildings and vegetation along the security road near the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt at Rafah. According to the IDF, the demolitions are designed to uncover explosive devices and destroying smuggling tunnels. Palestinians are sometimes killed in demolition operations and they are perceived by some as a form of collective punishment.

On this particular day, two bulldozers, supported by a Nagmachon combat engineering vehicle (CEV), were either ripping up shrubbery (according to Israeli officials) or demolishing homes (according to the protestors). Corrie was wearing a red reflective jacket. Although she had been using a megaphone earlier in the day (see photo, right), she was not using it at the time she was struck. Corrie was standing in front of a house owned by her friend Samir Masri (some reports have his name as Samir Nasrallah), a Palestinian physician.


Earlier that dayFor about two hours, the group had been attempting to disrupt the bulldozers. These attempts consisted of physical obstruction and shouting at the bulldozer operators through a megaphone. Roughly an hour before the fatal incident, the IDF used tear gas and fired warning shots to disperse the ISM protesters, who then later regrouped.

As the bulldozers move slowly forward they push up a pile of soil and rubble in front of them. A standard technique of ISM disruption was for an ISM protester to climb on top of this pile, raising themselves above the bulldozer blade, and making themselves visible to the driver. Sometimes the driver would stop or change direction, and sometimes the protester would dive out of the way.

Eyewitness accounts suggest that Corrie followed this technique, initially sitting or kneeling, and then standing to clamber up on the pile of debris in front of the bulldozer. For a while she was on top of this pile, looking at the driver. At some point, Corrie fell off the pile of rubble, possibly having lost her footing. This may have obscured her from sight of the driver. Corrie may have tried to scrabble out of the way at this point, but if she did so she was unsuccessful.


Corrie immediately after incidentThe driver continued forwards. The blade of the bulldozer passed over Corrie's body (the tracks of the bulldozer did not) and the bulldozer stopped. The bulldozer then reversed clear of Corrie's body, causing the blade to pass over her a second time. Corrie suffered massive injuries. She may have been injured by contact with the blade of the bulldozer. She may also have been injured by the debris. In particular, the Israeli report claims that a concrete slab in the debris struck her head and upper torso and was the primary cause of her death.

The bulldozers and CEV withdrew, and Corrie was rushed by a Red Crescent ambulance to the local Al-Najar hospital where she died of suffocation due to her injuries (some reports have her dying in the ambulance). She became the first ISM volunteer to die in the conflict in over two years of ISM activities in the Palestinian territories, including many other attempts to obstruct Israeli operations.


Reporting errors
A photo taken on the day by an ISM member and published by the Associated Press was mistakenly titled. This gave the impression that it was taken immediately prior to the incident, whereas in fact it was taken between one and four hours earlier.


Did the driver see Corrie?
The bulldozers had been in the area for two hours, and were certainly aware of the protesters and their activities. What is less clear is whether the bulldozer operator saw Corrie immediately prior to killing her.

Witness statements by fellow ISM protesters indicate that Corrie would have been clearly visible to the driver while she was standing on top of the pile of rubble in front of the driver. She was wearing a red reflective jacket at this time.

According to those who have been permitted to read it, the unpublished IDF report and the unpublished report by a branch of the Israeli judiciary both state that the driver never saw or heard Corrie. It is not clear what timeframe these statement might refer to.


IDF armoured bulldozers have limited visibility.A further complication is that, according to regulations, the bulldozer driver should have been directed in part by other IDF soldiers at the scene. Caterpillar D9s have a restricted field of vision, limited by the small armored windows, with a number of blind spots. In theory the other soldiers should have covered these spots.

The IDF commander of Gaza Strip, in an interview to Israeli Channel 2 actualia research broadcast Uvda with Ilana Dayan told that soldiers were bound to stay in their armoured vehicles and could not get out to direct the bulldozer or to arrest the protesters due to the threat of Palestinian snipers. He also added that Corrie was facing the bulldozer alone, while the rest of her friends were away, probably forcing the APC to handle them instead of watching over the bulldozer.

Was Corrie "run over"?
The blade of the bulldozer passed over Corrie's body (twice), and may have additionally dragged her along the ground, but its tracks did not. If they had done, she would have died sooner, and her body would have been more extensively damaged. Both Israeli reports interpret this as meaning that the bulldozer did not run over Corrie. The ISM interprets this as meaning that the bulldozer "ran over" Corrie.[/url]

[ShotOver]

As alot of the Israeli blokes would know, i used to post alot of Anti Iraeli things, and say alot of crap.
But i woke up, and realised that the IDF put up with alot of crap, and they do their best, which is good.
If some dumb girl thinks that she stepping infront of a bulldozer was clever, then it's good that she died, and stopped the spread of her obviously retarded genes from being spread.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I think the issue of Rachel Corrie death should be sorted out by an american court. Then they can decide whether it was negligent homicide, intentional homicide or if the driver just didn't see her and shouldn't have known she was there.




This is just an afterthought. I remember that the death toll climbed long after the attack, contrary to most other such attacks. Actually that’s also false, for there are plenty of other attacks, where a lot of the brutally injured have died much later from their wounds.

Does that prove my little thesis wrong?



Your afterthoughts was despicable and shameful and I have to admit it does lead me to question if you are just a fanatic extremist lefty which I had always thought, or perhaps Deuterium was right about you.

I can't follow your bizarre line of reasoning.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If some dumb girl thinks that she stepping infront of a bulldozer was clever, then it's good that she died, and stopped the spread of her obviously retarded genes from being spread.
Eugenics the Nazis were big on that PT. The Rachel Corrie incedent was a tragedy and I for one believe that the driver of that D9 will carry the regret and guilt of her death until the day he dies, the same way I would if I accidentally run over someone so just think a little before you type.

[Mark_Aspen]

I think the issue of Rachel Corrie death should be sorted out by an american court. Then they can decide whether it was negligent homicide, intentional homicide or if the driver just didn't see her and shouldn't have known she was there.

So does that mean the next time a Pakistani taxi driver in NY injures or kills a French tourist or Chinese diplomat on Broadway, he's answerable to a court in one of those countries? There is no legal justification for your proposal. You made an earlier statement about the FBI investigating the deaths of Americans overseas. Also not true. Usually your embassy's liasion will review the circumstances, and then determine if further involvement is merited, generally if there is a suspicion of conspiracy or involvement in criminal activity. Obviously terrorism and the deliberate targeting of American overseas has changed the frequency and degree of American invlovement. Khobar Towers comes to mind.

Too many Americans lose sight of the fact that the rights you are guaranteed as US Citizens aren't universally applicable or applied. I have arrested several Americans both in Israel and in cooperative efforts in Europe; the almost automatic response is "I have my rights," thinking they're in New York, Atlanta or on "Law & Order".

As a counter-point, I think too many American Jews who have moved to Israel are also too quick to wave their US Passports when they break the law, and even when they're the victims of terror.

I don't think there was anything admirable about Rachel Corrie. What could have been constructive dedication became self-aggrandizing identification with a cause that she knew little about. She saw a microcosm of something very big, and became holier than thou in one element. The ISM is effectively an offshoot of the PA, more politicized than even the UNWRA. The Friends (Quakers?) who help the Palestinians here at least keep their issues with us in check.

[IDFM203]

"Actually that’s also false, for there are plenty of other attacks, where a lot of the brutally injured have died much later from their wounds.”



Does that prove my little thesis wrong? Yes it proves your previous contention that its only limited to older people that die later because of their wounds to be false and my post shows you how that’s just simply not true for it’s a fact that throughout the many homicide bombings that our civilians have faced, many that werent at first killed but just injured, be it old, young or middle aged have died later as a result of their injurious and it wasn’t only old people.

So yes after other attacks, the death toll climes on and on as a lot of the victims succumb to their injurious and it wasn’t only limited to this attack on Passover.

Oh and again, the homicide bombers intention was to kill as many innocent civilians as possible, whether who dies was older or younger have no bearing on the horrible intentions and act that was committed and your efforts to rationalize or even trivialize that horrid act in any way is despicable and shameful


“Your afterthoughts was despicable and shameful and I have to admit it does lead me to question if you are just a fanatic extremist lefty which I had always thought, or perhaps Deuterium was right about you.”

I can't follow your bizarre line of reasoning. :cantbeli: I think its pretty clear of what I meant and if you cant follow it then Ill leave you with your supposed “wishful” ignorance on what I am saying, that’s IF you really have no clue as to what I am implying here :roll:

Shalom :D

[RavenW]

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/C0B33A0B-1081-46FD-8C87-34F94B75808C/0/MFAJ0cor0.jpg


Shmuel Taubenfield was only 3 month old...

America will never forget!

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Memorial/2003/Shmuel+Taubenfeld.htm


He was murdered by Palestinian terrorist along with other 4 Americans.



Do you think that I would not demand a simililar investigation into the death of the child "Tanenbaum"? ....

can you point us to a website which talks about this one year old US child named "Tanenbaum"... I would like to read about him.


Some people are real bastards.... It took me a while to find him because when I started to look for name Shmuel there were so many other Shmuels - victims of Palestinian terror, it was hard to continue to search for this child.

3 month old....

[RavenW]

By accident instead of one Shmuel, I copied a whole list....

After some consideration, I decided to leave it as it is...

for those who want to find Shmuel from this list, go ahead...



In memory of victims of Palestinian terror (2000-2004)

David Biri Sept 27, 2000
Yosef Tabeja Sept 29, 2000
Madhat Yusuf Oct 1, 2000
Wichlav Zalsevsky Oct 2, 2000
Max Hazan Oct 2, 2000
Hillel Lieberman Oct 8, 2000
Yosef Avrahami Oct 12, 2000
Vadim Norzhich Oct 12, 2000
Rabbi Binyamin Herling Oct 19, 2000
Marik Gavrilov Oct 28, 2000
Eish-Kodesh Gilmore Oct 30, 2000
Amos Machlouf Oct 30, 2000
David-Hen Cohen Nov 1, 2000
Shlomo Adshina Nov 1, 2000
Amir Zohar Nov 1, 2000
Ayelet Hashahar Levy Nov 2, 2000
Hanan Levy Nov 2, 2000
Noa Dahan Nov 8, 2000
Shahar Vekret Nov 10, 2000
Avner Shalom Nov 11, 2000
Sarah Leisha Nov 13, 2000
Elad Wallenstein Nov 13, 2000
Amit Zaneh Nov 13, 2000
Gabi Zaghouri Nov 13, 2000
Baruch (Snir) Flum Nov 18, 2000
Sharon ****oubi Nov 18, 2000
Miriam Amitai Nov 20, 2000
Gavriel Biton Nov 20, 2000
Itamar Yefet Nov 21, 2000
Shoshana Reis Nov 22, 2000
Meir Bahrame Nov 22, 2000
Edward Matchnik Nov 23, 2000
Samar Hussein Nov 23, 2000
Sharon Arameh Nov 24, 2000
Ariel Jeraffi Nov 24, 2000
Rina Didovsky Dec 8, 2000
Eliyahu Ben-Ami Dec 8, 2000
Tal Gordon Dec 8, 2000
Eliahu Cohen Dec 21, 2000
Gad Marasha Dec 28, 2000
Yonatan Vermeulen Dec 28, 2000
Binyamin Zeev Kahane Dec 31, 2000
Talia Kahane Dec 31, 2000
Mordechai Cohen Jan 5, 2001
Ron Tzalah Jan 14, 2001
Ofir Rahum Jan 17, 2001
Motti Dayan Jan 23, 2001
Etgar Zeitouny Jan 23, 2001
Akiva Pashkos Jan 25, 2001
Arye Hershkowitz Jan 29, 2001
Lior Attiah Feb 1, 2001
Shmuel Gillis Feb 1, 2001
Rujayah Salameh Feb 5, 2001
Tzachi Sasson Feb 11, 2001
David Iluz Feb 14, 2001
Yasmin Karisi Feb 14, 2001
Rachel Levi Feb 14, 2001
Ofir Magidish Feb 14, 2001
Alexander Manevitz Feb 14, 2001
Kochava Polanski Feb 14, 2001
Simcha ****rit Feb 14, 2001
Julie Weiner Feb 14, 2001
Mordechai Shefer Feb 26, 2001
Claude Knap Mar 1, 2001
Naftali Dean Mar 4, 2001
Yevgenya Malchin Mar 4, 2001
Shlomit Ziv Mar 4, 2001
Baruch Cohen Mar 19, 2001
Shalhevet Pass Mar 26, 2001
Naftali Lanzkorn Mar 28, 2001
Eliran Rosenberg-Zayat Mar 28, 2001
Dina Guetta Apr 1, 2001
Ya'akov Krenschel Apr 1, 2001
Danny Darai Apr 2, 2001
Stanislav Sandomirsky Apr 21, 2001
Mario Goldin Apr 22, 2001
Simcha Ron Apr 28, 2001
Shlomo Elmakias Apr 28, 2001
Assaf Hershkovitz May 1, 2001
Arieh Agranionic May 8, 2001
Ya'acov (Kobi) Mandell May 9, 2001
Yosef (Yossi) Ish-Ran May 9, 2001
Constantin Straturula May 10, 2001
Virgil Martinesc May 10, 2001
Idit Mizrahi May 15, 2001
Tirza Polonsky May 18, 2001
Vladislav Sorokin May 18, 2001
Yulia Tratiakova May 18, 2001
Miriam Waxman May 18, 2001
David Yarkoni May 18, 2001
Yair Nebenzahl May 18, 2001
Asher Iluz May 23, 2001
Yosef Alfasi May 25, 2001
Gilad Zar May 29, 2001
Sara Blaustein May 29, 2001
Esther Alvan May 29, 2001
Zvi Shelef May 31, 2001
Marina Berkovizki June 1, 2001
Roman Dezanshvili June 1, 2001
Ilya Gutman June 1, 2001
Anya Kazachkov June 1, 2001
Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir June 1, 2001
Aleksei Lupalu June 1, 2001
Mariana Medvedenko June 1, 2001
Irina Nepomneschachi June 1, 2001
Yelena Nelimov June 1, 2001
Yulia Nelimov June 1, 2001
Raisa Nimrovsky June 1, 2001
Diez (Dani) Normanov June 1, 2001
Simona Rodin June 1, 2001
Ori Shahar June 1, 2001
Liana Sakiyan June 1, 2001
Maria Tagilchev June 1, 2001
Irena Usdachi June 1, 2001
Sergei Pancheskov June 2, 2001
Yael-Yulia Sklianik June 2, 2001
Jan Bloom June 3, 2001
Yehuda Shoham June 11, 2001
Georgios Tsibouktzakis June 12, 2001
Yehuda Edri June 14, 2001
Dan Yehuda June 18, 2001
Doron Zisserman June 18, 2001
Yevgenia Dorfman June 19, 2001
Ilya Krivitz June 20, 2001
Aviv Iszak June 22, 2001
Ofir Kit June 22, 2001
Ekaterina (Katya) Weintraub June 28, 2001
Aharon Obadyan July 2, 2001
Yair Har Sinai July 2, 2001
Eliahu Na'aman July 4, 2001
Shai Shalom Cohen July 9, 2001
Yehezkel (Hezi) Mualem July 13, 2001
David Cohen July 14, 2001
Hanit Arami July 16, 2001
Avi Ben Harush July 16, 2001
Yuri Gushchin July 24, 2001
Ronen Landau July 26, 2001
Tehiya Bloomberg Aug 5, 2001
Yitzhak Snir* Aug 6, 2001
Wael Ghanem Aug 7, 2001
Zohar Shurgi Aug 7, 2001
Giora Balash Aug 9, 2001
Zvika Golombek Aug 9, 2001
Shoshana Yehudit Greenbaum Aug 9, 2001
Tehila Maoz Aug 9, 2001
Frieda Mendelsohn Aug 9, 2001
Michal Raziel Aug 9, 2001
Malka Roth Aug 9, 2001
Mordechai Schijveschuurder Aug 9, 2001
Tzira Schijveschuurder Aug 9, 2001
Ra'aya Schijveschuurder Aug 9, 2001
Avraham Yitzhak Schijveschuurder Aug 9, 2001
Hemda Schijveschuurder Aug 9, 2001
Lily Shimashvili Aug 9, 2001
Tamara Shimashvili Aug 9, 2001
Yocheved Shoshan Aug 9, 2001
Aliza Malka Aug 9, 2001
Tzahi Grabli Aug 25, 2001
Kobi Nir Aug 25, 2001
Gil Oz Aug 25, 2001
Sharon Ben-Shalom Aug 25, 2001
Yaniv Ben-Shalom Aug 25, 2001
Doron Sviri Aug 26, 2001
Dov Rosman Aug 26, 2001
Meir Lixenberg Aug 27, 2001
Oleg Sotnikov Aug 29, 2001
Amos Tajouri Aug 30, 2001
Erez Merhavi Sept 6, 2001
Sima Franko Sept 9, 2001
Ya'akov Hatzav Sept 9, 2001
Morel Derfler Sept 9, 2001
Yigal Goldstein Sept 9, 2001
Daniel Yifrah Sept 9, 2001
Tzachi David Sept 11, 2001
Andrei Zledkin Sept 11, 2001
Ruth Shua'i Sept 12, 2001
Meir Weisshois Sept 15, 2001
David Gordukal Sept 16, 2001
Sarit Amrani Sept 20, 2001
Salit Sheetrit Sept 24, 2001
Zvia Pinhas Sept 26, 2001
Liron Harpaz Oct 2, 2001
Assaf Yitzhaki Oct 2, 2001
Tali Ben-Armon Oct 4, 2001
Haim Ben-Ezra Oct 4, 2001
Sergei Freidin Oct 4, 2001
Hananya Ben-Avraham Oct 5, 2001
Yair Mordechai Oct 7, 2001
Rechavam Ze'evy Oct 17, 2001
Lior Kaufman Oct 18, 2001
Yaniv Levy Oct 28, 2001
Ayala Levy Oct 28, 2001
Smadar Levy Oct 28, 2001
Lydia Marko Oct 28, 2001
Sima Menahem Oct 28, 2001
Raz Mintz Nov 2, 2001
Shoshana Ben Ishai Nov 4, 2001
Menashe (Meni) Regev Nov 4, 2001
Eyal Sela Nov 6, 2001
Hadas Abutbul Nov 9, 2001
Aharon Ussishkin Nov 11, 2001
Barak Madmon Nov 24, 2001
Noam Gozovsky Nov 27, 2001
Michal Mor Nov 27, 2001
Etty Fahima Nov 27, 2001
Yaron Pikholtz Nov 29, 2001
Yehiav Elshad Nov 29, 2001
Samuel Milshevsky Nov 29, 2001
Inbal Weiss Nov 29, 2001
Assaf Avitan Dec 1, 2001
Michael Moshe Dahan Dec 1, 2001
Israel Ya'akov Danino Dec 1, 2001
Yosef El-Ezra Dec 1, 2001
Nir Haftzadi Dec 1, 2001
Yuri (Yoni) Korganov Dec 1, 2001
Golan Turgeman Dec 1, 2001
Guy Vaknin Dec 1, 2001
Adam Weinstein Dec 1, 2001
Moshe Yedid-Levy Dec 1, 2001
Baruch Singer Dec 2, 2001
Tatiana Borovik Dec 2, 2001
Mara Fishman Dec 2, 2001
Ina Frenkel Dec 2, 2001
Riki Hadad Dec 2, 2001
Ronen Kahalon Dec 2, 2001
Samion Kalik Dec 2, 2001
Cecilia Kozamin Dec 2, 2001
Mark Khotimliansky Dec 2, 2001
Yelena Lomakin Dec 2, 2001
Rosaria Reyes Dec 2, 2001
Yitzhak Ringel Dec 2, 2001
Rassim Safulin Dec 2, 2001
Leah Strick Dec 2, 2001
Faina Zabiogailu Dec 2, 2001
Mikhail Zaraisky Dec 2, 2001
Ido Cohen Dec 8, 2001
Yair Amar Dec 12, 2001
Esther Avraham Dec 12, 2001
Yoel Bienenfeld Dec 12, 2001
Moshe Gutman Dec 12, 2001
Avraham Nahman Nitzani Dec 12, 2001
Yirmiyahu Salem Dec 12, 2001
Israel Sternberg Dec 12, 2001
David Tzarfati Dec 12, 2001
Hananya Tzarfati Dec 12, 2001
Ya'akov Tzarfati Dec 12, 2001
Zion Ohana Dec 17, 2001
Michael Sitbon Dec 25, 2001
Hana Abu-Ghanem Jan 9, 2002
Ibrahim Hamadieh Jan 9, 2002
Ashraf Hawash Jan 9, 2002
Mofid Sawaid Jan 9, 2002
Elad Abu-Gani Jan 14, 2002
Avraham (Avi) Boaz Jan 15, 2002
Yoela Chen Jan 15, 2002
Shahada Dadis Jan 16, 2002
Edward Bakshayev Jan 17, 2002
Anatoly Bakshayev Jan 17, 2002
Aharon Ben Yisrael-Ellis Jan 17, 2002
Dina Binayev Jan 17, 2002
Boris Melikhov Jan 17, 2002
Avi Yazdi Jan 17, 2002
Sarah Hamburger Jan 22, 2002
Svetlana Sandler Jan 22, 2002
Pinhas Tokatli Jan 27, 2002
Miri Ohana Feb 6, 2002
Yael Ohana Feb 6, 2002
Moshe Majos Meconen Feb 6, 2002
Moranne Amit Feb 8, 2002
Atala Lipobsky Feb 9, 2002
Keren Rothstein Feb 10, 2002
Aya Malachi Feb 10, 2002
Ron Lavie Feb 14, 2002
Moshe Peled Feb 14, 2002
Asher Zaguri Feb 14, 2002
Lee Nahman Akunis Feb 15, 2002
Nehemia Amar Feb 16, 2002
Keren Shatsky Feb 16, 2002
Ahmed Mazarib Feb 18, 2002
Ahuva Amergi Feb 18, 2002
Mor Elraz Feb 18, 2002
Amir Mansouri Feb 18, 2002
Moshe Eini Feb 19, 2002
Benny Kikis Feb 19, 2002
Mark Podolsky Feb 19, 2002
Erez Turgeman Feb 19, 2002
Tamir Atsmi Feb 19, 2002
Michael Oxsman Feb 19, 2002
Minhal Dragma Feb 21, 2002
Valery Ahmir Feb 22, 2002
Avraham Fish Feb 25, 2002
Aharon Gorov Feb 25, 2002
Galit Arbiv Feb 25, 2002
Gad Rejwan Feb 27, 2002
Rachel Thaler Feb 27, 2002
Haim Bachar Feb 28, 2002
Ya'acov Avni Mar 1, 2002
Moshe Dayan Mar 2, 2002
Shlomo Nehmad Mar 2, 2002
Gafnit Nehmad Mar 2, 2002
Shiraz Nehmad Mar 2, 2002
Liran Nehmad Mar 2, 2002
Shaul Nehmad Mar 2, 2002
Lidor Ilan Mar 2, 2002
Oriah Ilan Mar 2, 2002
Tzofia Ya'arit Eliyahu Mar 2, 2002
Ya'akov Avraham Eliyahu Mar 2, 2002
Vadim Balagula Mar 3, 2002
Sergei Birmov Mar 3, 2002
David Damelin Mar 3, 2002
Avraham Ezra Mar 3, 2002
Eran Gad Mar 3, 2002
Ariel Hovav Mar 3, 2002
Rafael Levy Mar 3, 2002
Yochai Porat Mar 3, 2002
Kfir Weiss Mar 3, 2002
Didi Yitzhak Mar 3, 2002
Steven Kenigsberg Mar 3, 2002
Avi Hazan Mar 4, 2002
Salim Barakat Mar 5, 2002
Eli Dahan Mar 5, 2002
Yosef Habi Mar 5, 2002
Devorah Friedman Mar 5, 2002
Maharatu Tagana Mar 5, 2002
Pinhas Cohen Mar 6, 2002
Alexander Nastarenko Mar 6, 2002
Arik Krogliak Mar 7, 2002
Tal Kurtzweil Mar 7, 2002
Asher Marcus Mar 7, 2002
Eran Picard Mar 7, 2002
Ariel Zana Mar 7, 2002
Edward Korol Mar 8, 2002
Avia Malka Mar 9, 2002
Israel Yihye Mar 9, 2002
Limor Ben-Shoham Mar 9, 2002
Nir Borochov Mar 9, 2002
Danit Dagan Mar 9, 2002
Livnat Dvash Mar 9, 2002
Tali Eliyahu Mar 9, 2002
Dan Imani Mar 9, 2002
Uri Felix Mar 9, 2002
Natanel Kochavi Mar 9, 2002
Baruch Lerner Mar 9, 2002
Orit Ozerov Mar 9, 2002
Avraham Rahamim Mar 9, 2002
Kobi Eichelboim Mar 10, 2002
Eyal Lieberman Mar 12, 2002
Yehudit Cohen Mar 12, 2002
Ofer Kanerik Mar 12, 2002
Alexei Kotman Mar 12, 2002
Lynne Livne Mar 12, 2002
Atara Livne Mar 12, 2002
German Rojyakov Mar 12, 2002
Gil Badihi Mar 13, 2002
Matan Biderman Mar 14, 2002
Ala Hubeishi Mar 14, 2002
Rotem Shani Mar 14, 2002
Noa Auerbach Mar 17, 2002
Tal Zemach Mar 19, 2002
Michael Altfiro Mar 20, 2002
Shimon Edri Mar 20, 2002
Meir Fahima Mar 20, 2002
Alon Goldenberg Mar 20, 2002
Mogus Mahento Mar 20, 2002
Aharon Revivo Mar 20, 2002
Bella Schneider Mar 20, 2002
Yitzhak Cohen Mar 21, 2002
Gad Shemesh Mar 21, 2002
Tzipi Shemesh Mar 21, 2002
Esther Kleiman Mar 24, 2002
Avi Sabag Mar 24, 2002
Haim Chiprot Mar 25, 2002
Cengiz Soytunc Mar 26, 2002
Catherine Berruex Mar 26, 2002
Shula Abramovitch Mar 27, 2002
David Anichovitch Mar 27, 2002
Avraham Beckerman Mar 27, 2002
Shimon Ben-Aroya Mar 27, 2002
Andre Fried Mar 27, 2002
Idit Fried Mar 27, 2002
Miriam Gutenzgan Mar 27, 2002
Amiram Hamami Mar 27, 2002
Perla Hermele Mar 27, 2002
Dvora Karim Mar 27, 2002
Michael Karim Mar 27, 2002
Yehudit Korman Mar 27, 2002
Marianne Lehmann Zaoui Mar 27, 2002
Lola Levkovitch Mar 27, 2002
Furuk Na'imi Mar 27, 2002
Eliahu Nakash Mar 27, 2002
Irit Rashel Mar 27, 2002
Yulia Talmi Mar 27, 2002
Sivan Vider Mar 27, 2002
Ernest Weiss Mar 27, 2002
Eva Weiss Mar 27, 2002
George Yakobovitch Mar 27, 2002
Avraham Gavish Mar 28, 2002
David Gavish Mar 28, 2002
Rachel Gavish Mar 28, 2002
Yitzhak Kanner Mar 28, 2002
Michael Orlansky Mar 29, 2002
Tuvia Wisner Mar 29, 2002
Boaz Pomerantz Mar 29, 2002
Roman Shliapstein Mar 29, 2002
Rachel Levy Mar 30, 2002
Haim Smadar Mar 30, 2002
Constantine Danilov Mar 30, 2002
Suheil Adawi Mar 31, 2002
Dov Chernobroda Mar 31, 2002
Shimon Koren Mar 31, 2002
Gal Koren Mar 31, 2002
Ran Koren Mar 31, 2002
Moshe Levin Mar 31, 2002
Danielle Manchell Mar 31, 2002
Orly Ofir Mar 31, 2002
Aviel Ron Mar 31, 2002
Anat Ron Mar 31, 2002
Ofer Ron Mar 31, 2002
Ya'akov Shani Mar 31, 2002
Adi Shiran Mar 31, 2002
Daniel Carlos Wegman Mar 31, 2002
Sgt.-Maj. (Res.) Ofir Roth Apr 1, 2002
Tomer Mordechai Apr 1, 2002
Carlos Yerushalmi Apr 2, 2002
Chanah Rogan Apr 2, 2002
Ze'ev Vider Apr 2, 2002
Alter Britvich Apr 2, 2002
Frieda Britvich Apr 3, 2002
Moshe Gerstner Apr 3, 2002
Rachel Charhi Apr 4, 2002
Patrick Pereg Apr 4, 2002
Nissim Ben-David Apr 4, 2002
Gad Ezra Apr 4, 2002
Einan Sharabi Apr 4, 2002
Merom Moshe Fisher Apr 5, 2002
Oded Kornfein Apr 5, 2002
Ro'i Tal Apr 5, 2002
Nisan Avraham Apr 6, 2002
Sarah Levy-Hoffman Apr 7, 2002
Matanya Robinson Apr 8, 2002
Shmuel Weiss Apr 8, 2002
Tiran Arazi Apr 9, 2002
Ronen Alshochat Apr 9, 2002
Ya'akov Azoulai Apr 9, 2002
Eyal Eliyahu Azouri Apr 9, 2002
Dror Bar Apr 9, 2002
Amit Busidan Apr 9, 2002
Oded Golomb Apr 9, 2002
Menashe Hava Apr 9, 2002
Yoram Levy Apr 9, 2002
Shmuel Dani Mayzlish Apr 9, 2002
Avner Yaskov Apr 9, 2002
Eyal Yoel Apr 9, 2002
Eyal Zimmerman Apr 9, 2002
Assaf Assoulin Apr 9, 2002
Gedalyahu Malik Apr 9, 2002
Avinoam Alfia Apr 10, 2002
Shlomi Ben Haim Apr 10, 2002
Nir Danieli Apr 10, 2002
Keren Franco Apr 10, 2002
Ze'ev Hanik Apr 10, 2002
Noa Shlomo Apr 10, 2002
Shimshon Stelkol Apr 10, 2002
Michael Weissman Apr 10, 2002
Anna Yakobovitch Apr 11, 2002
Dotan Nahtomi Apr 12, 2002
David Smirnoff Apr 12, 2002
Nissan Cohen Apr 12, 2002
Rivka Fink Apr 12, 2002
Suheila Hushi Apr 12, 2002
Yelena Konrab Apr 12, 2002
Ling Chang Mai Apr 12, 2002
Chai Siang Yang Apr 12, 2002
Uriel Bar-Maimon Apr 20, 2002
Nir Krichman Apr 22, 2002
Arik Becker Apr 27, 2002
Katrina (Katya) Greenberg Apr 27, 2002
Ya'acov Katz Apr 27, 2002
Danielle Shefi Apr 27, 2002
Avihu Ya'akov May 3, 2002
Eliezer Korman May 5, 2002
Esther Bablar May 7, 2002
Yitzhak Bablar May 7, 2002
Avi Bayaz May 7, 2002
Regina Malka Boslan May 7, 2002
Edna Cohen May 7, 2002
Rafael Haim May 7, 2002
Pnina Hikri May 7, 2002
Nawa Hinawi May 7, 2002
Rahamim Kimhi May 7, 2002
Nir Lovatin May 7, 2002
Shoshana Magmari May 7, 2002
Dalia Masa May 7, 2002
Rassan Sharouk May 7, 2002
Israel Shikar May 7, 2002
Anat Teremforush May 7, 2002
Nisan Dolinger May 12, 2002
Yosef Haviv May 19, 2002
Arkady Vieselman May 19, 2002
Victor Tatrinov May 19, 2002
Elmar Dezhabrielov May 22, 2002
Gary Tauzniaski May 22, 2002
Oren Tzelnik May 24, 2002
Ruth Peled May 27, 2002
Sinai Keinan May 27, 2002
Albert Maloul May 28, 2002
Netanel Riachi May 28, 2002
Gilad Stiglitz May 28, 2002
Avraham Siton May 28, 2002
Zion Agmon June 5, 2002
Liron Avitan June 5, 2002
Avraham Barzilai June 5, 2002
Dennis Blumin June 5, 2002
Eliran Buskila June 5, 2002
Adi Dahan June 5, 2002
Zvi Gelberd June 5, 2002
Violetta Hizgayev June 5, 2002
Ganadi Issakov June 5, 2002
Sariel Katz June 5, 2002
Vladimir Morari June 5, 2002
Yigal Nedipur June 5, 2002
Dotan Reisel June 5, 2002
David Stanislavksy June 5, 2002
Eliyahu Timsit June 5, 2002
Shimon Timsit June 5, 2002
Sivan Wiener June 5, 2002
Erez Rund June 6, 2002
Shalom Mordechai June 8, 2002
Eyal Sorek June 8, 2002
Yael Sorek June 8, 2002
Hadar Hershkowitz June 11, 2002
Alexei Gladkov June 15, 2002
Haim Yehezkel Gutman June 15, 2002
Boaz Aluf June 18, 2002
Shani Avi-Zedek June 18, 2002
Leah Baruch June 18, 2002
Mendel Bereson June 18, 2002
Rafael Berger June 18, 2002
Michal Biazi June 18, 2002
Tatiana Braslavsky June 18, 2002
Galila Bugala June 18, 2002
Raisa Dikstein June 18, 2002
Moshe Gottlieb June 18, 2002
Baruch Gruani June 18, 2002
Orit Hayla June 18, 2002
Helena Ivan June 18, 2002
Iman Kabha June 18, 2002
Shiri Negari June 18, 2002
Gila Nekev June 18, 2002
Yelena Plagov June 18, 2002
Liat Yagen June 18, 2002
Rahamim Zidkiyahu June 18, 2002
Noa Alon June 19, 2002
Gal Eisenman June 19, 2002
Michal Franklin June 19, 2002
Tatiana Igelski June 19, 2002
Hadassah Jungreis June 19, 2002
Gila Sara Kessler June 19, 2002
Shmuel Yerushalmi June 19, 2002
Shlomi Cohen June 19, 2002
Yosef Talbi June 19, 2002
Avraham Eliahu Nehmad June 20, 2002
Rachel Shabo June 20, 2002
Avishai Shabo June 20, 2002
Neria Shabo June 20, 2002
Zvika Shabo June 20, 2002
Yosef Twito June 20, 2002
Anatoly Krasik June 22, 2002
Victoria Hen* July 4, 2002
Yaakov Aminov* July 4, 2002
Hagai (Haim) Lev July 10, 2002
Galila Ades July 16, 2002
Yonatan Gamliel July 16, 2002
Keren Kashani July 16, 2002
Zilpa Kashi July 16, 2002
Gal Shilon July 16, 2002
Tiferet Sarah Shilon July 16, 2002
Ilana Siton July 16, 2002
Infant Weinberg July 16, 2002
Elad Grenadier July 17, 2002
Adrian Andres July 17, 2002
Boris Shamis July 17, 2002
Xu Hengyong July 17, 2002
Yocheved Ben-Hanan July 18, 2002
Li Bin July 24, 2002
Elimelech Shapira July 25, 2002
Dmitri Pundikov July 25, 2002
Hannah Dikstein July 26, 2002
Shuv'el Zion Dikstein July 26, 2002
Yosef Ya'akov Dikstein July 26, 2002
Elazar Lebovitch July 26, 2002
Mordechai Odesser July 30, 2002
Shlomo Odesser July 30, 2002
Marla Bennett July 31, 2002
Benjamin Blutstein July 31, 2002
Dina Carter July 31, 2002
Janis Ruth Coulter July 31, 2002
David Gritz July 31, 2002
David Diego Ladowski July 31, 2002
Levina Shapira July 31, 2002
Shani Ladani Aug 1, 2002
Mordechai Yehuda Friedman Aug 4, 2002
Yifat Gavrieli Aug 4, 2002
Roni Ghanem Aug 4, 2002
Omri Goldin Aug 4, 2002
Sari Goldstein Aug 4, 2002
Maysoun Amin Hassan Aug 4, 2002
Adelina Kononen Aug 4, 2002
Marlene Miriam Menahem Aug 4, 2002
Rebecca Roga Aug 4, 2002
Yekutiel Amitai Aug 4, 2002
Nizal Awassat Aug 4, 2002
Avi Wolanski Aug 5, 2002
Avital Wolanski Aug 5, 2002
Daphna Spruch Aug 10, 2002
Yafit Herenstein Aug 10, 2002
Revital Barashi Aug 13, 2002
Kevin Cohen Aug 20, 2002
Malik Grifat Sept 5, 2002
Aviad Dotan Sept 5, 2002
David Buhbut Sept 18, 2002
Yosef Ajami Sept 18, 2002
Moshe Hezkiyah Sept 18, 2002
Solomon Hoenig Sept 19, 2002
Yossi Mamistavlov Sept 19, 2002
Yaffa Shemtov Sept 19, 2002
Shoshana (Rosanna) Siso Sept 19, 2002
Ofer Zinger Sept 19, 2002
Jonathan (Yoni) Jesner Sept 20, 2002
Shlomo Yitzhak Shapira Sept 23, 2002
Harel Marmelstein Sept 26, 2002
Ari Yehoshua Weiss Sept 30, 2002
Oded Wolk Oct 9, 2002
Sa'ada Aharon Oct 10, 2002
Osnat Abramov Oct 21, 2002
Indelou Ashati Oct 21, 2002
Liat Ben-Ami Oct 21, 2002
Ofra Burger Oct 21, 2002
Ilona Hanukayev Oct 21, 2002
Suad Jaber Oct 21, 2002
Iris Lavi Oct 21, 2002
Eliezer Moskovitch Oct 21, 2002
Nir Nahum Oct 21, 2002
Esther Pesachov Oct 21, 2002
Aiman Sharuf Oct 21, 2002
Sergei Shavchuk Oct 21, 2002
Anat Shimshon Oct 21, 2002
Sharon Tubol Oct 21, 2002
Amihud Hasid Oct 27, 2002
Tamir Masad Oct 27, 2002
Matan Zagron Oct 27, 2002
Orna Eshel Oct 29, 2002
Linoy Saroussi Oct 29, 2002
Hadas Turgeman Oct 29, 2002
Julio Pedro Magram Nov 4, 2002
Gastón Perpiñal Nov 4, 2002
Amos Sa'ada Nov 6, 2002
Assaf Tzfira Nov 6, 2002
Madin Grifat Nov 9, 2002
Tirza Damari Nov 10, 2002
Yitzhak Dori Nov 10, 2002
Revital Ohayon Nov 10, 2002
Matan Ohayon Nov 10, 2002
Noam Ohayon Nov 10, 2002
Yitzhak Buanish Nov 15, 2002
Dan Cohen Nov 15, 2002
Yeshayahu Davidov Nov 15, 2002
Alexander Dohan Nov 15, 2002
Igor Drobitsky Nov 15, 2002
Netanel Machluf Nov 15, 2002
David Marcus Nov 15, 2002
Tomer Nov Nov 15, 2002
Gad Rahamim Nov 15, 2002
Samih Sweidan Nov 15, 2002
Dror Weinberg Nov 15, 2002
Alexander Zwitman Nov 15, 2002
Esther Galia Nov 18, 2002
Hodaya Asraf Nov 21, 2002
Marina Bazarski Nov 21, 2002
Hadassah (Yelena) Ben-David Nov 21, 2002
Sima Novak Nov 21, 2002
Kira Perlman Nov 21, 2002
Ilan Perlman Nov 21, 2002
Yafit Ravivo Nov 21, 2002
Ella Sharshevsky Nov 21, 2002
Michael Sharshevsky Nov 21, 2002
Mircea Varga Nov 21, 2002
Dikla Zino Nov 21, 2002
Shigdaf (Shai) Garmai Nov 22, 2002
Dvir Anter* Nov 28, 2002
Noy Anter* Nov 28, 2002
Albert (Avraham) de Havila* Nov 28, 2002
Haim Amar Nov 28, 2002
Ehud (Yehuda) Avitan Nov 28, 2002
Mordechai Avraham Nov 28, 2002
Ya'acov Lary Nov 28, 2002
David Peretz Nov 28, 2002
Shaul Zilberstein Nov 28, 2002
Maor Kalfon Dec 12, 2002
Keren Ya'akobi Dec 12, 2002
Yitzhak Arama Dec 20, 2002
Noam Apter Dec 27, 2002
Yehuda Bamberger Dec 27, 2002
Gavriel Hoter Dec 27, 2002
Zvi Zieman Dec 27, 2002
Massoud Makhluf Alon Jan 2, 2003
Moshe (Maurice) Aharfi Jan 5, 2003
Krassimir Angelov Jan 5, 2003
Steven Arthur Cromwell Jan 5, 2003
Mordechai Evioni Jan 5, 2003
Andrei Friedman Jan 5, 2003
Ivan Gaptoniak Jan 5, 2003
Guo Aiping Jan 5, 2003
Meir Haim Jan 5, 2003
Hannah Haimov Jan 5, 2003
Avi Kotzer Jan 5, 2003
Li Peizhong Jan 5, 2003
Ramin Nasibov Jan 5, 2003
Ion Nicolae Jan 5, 2003
Mazal Orkobi Jan 5, 2003
Ilanit Peled Jan 5, 2003
Mihai Sabau Jan 5, 2003
Viktor Shebayev Jan 5, 2003
Boris Tepalshvili Jan 5, 2003
Sapira Shoshana Yulzari-Yaffe Jan 5, 2003
Lilya Zibstein Jan 5, 2003
Amiram Zmora Jan 5, 2003
Igor Zobokov Jan 5, 2003
Eli Biton Jan 12, 2003
Mikhail Kazakov Jan 12, 2003
Zhang Minmin Jan 13, 2003
Netanel Ozeri Jan 17, 2003
Ronald Berer Jan 23, 2003
Assaf Bitan Jan 23, 2003
Ya'akov Naim Jan 23, 2003
Amir Ben-Aryeh Feb 6, 2003
Idan Suzin Feb 6, 2003
Shahar Shmul Feb 11, 2003
Noam Bahagon Feb 15, 2003
Tal Alexei Belitzky Feb 15, 2003
Doron Cohen Feb 15, 2003
Itay Mizrahi Feb 15, 2003
Doron Lev Feb 23, 2003
Maryam Atar Mar 5, 2003
Smadar Firstater Mar 5, 2003
Kamar Abu Hamed Mar 5, 2003
Daniel Haroush Mar 5, 2003
Mordechai Hershko Mar 5, 2003
Tom Hershko Mar 5, 2003
Meital Katav Mar 5, 2003
Elizabeth Katzman Mar 5, 2003
Tal Kehrmann Mar 5, 2003
Eliyahu Laham Mar 5, 2003
Abigail Litle Mar 5, 2003
Yuval Mendellevich Mar 5, 2003
Be'eri Oved Mar 5, 2003
Mark Takash Mar 5, 2003
Asaf Zur (Zollinger) Mar 5, 2003
Dina Horowitz Mar 7, 2003
Eli Horowitz Mar 7, 2003
Anatoly Biryakov Mar 8, 2003
Tomer Ron Mar 10, 2003
Moran Shushan Mar 11, 2003
Assaf Moshe Fuchs Mar 12, 2003
Ami Cohen Mar 18, 2003
Zion Boshirian Mar 19, 2003
Yigal Lif****z Apr 10, 2003
Ofer Sharabi Apr 10, 2003
Daniel Mandel Apr 15, 2003
Zachar Rahamin Hanukayev Apr 15, 2003
Ahmed Salah Kara Apr 15, 2003
Lior Ziv Apr 20, 2003
Alexander Kostyuk Apr 24, 2003
Ran Baron Apr 30, 2003
Dominique Caroline Hass Apr 30, 2003
Yanai Weiss Apr 30, 2003
Tali Weinberg May 4, 2003
Gideon Lichterman May 5, 2003
Zion David May 11, 2003
Dina (Muriel) Levy May 17, 2003
Gadi Levy May 17, 2003
Olga Brenner May 18, 2003
Yitzhak Moyal May 18, 2003
Nelly Perov May 18, 2003
Ghalab Tawil May 18, 2003
Marina Tsahivershvili May 18, 2003
Shimon Ustinsky May 18, 2003
Roni Yisraeli May 18, 2003
Kiryl Shremko May 19, 2003
Hassan Ismail Tawatha May 19, 2003
Avi Zerihan May 19, 2003
Moran Menachem June 5, 2003
David Shambik June 5, 2003
Assaf Abergil June 8, 2003
Udi Eilat June 8, 2003
Boaz Emete June 8, 2003
Chen Engel June 8, 2003
Matan Gadri June 8, 2003
Tamar Ben-Eliahu June 11, 2003
Alan Beer June 11, 2003
Eugenia Berman June 11, 2003
Elsa Cohen June 11, 2003
Zvi Cohen June 11, 2003
Roi Eliraz June 11, 2003
Haile Abraha Hawki June 11, 2003
Alexander Kazaris June 11, 2003
Yaffa Mualem June 11, 2003
Yaniv Obayed June 11, 2003
Bat-El Ohana June 11, 2003
Anna Orgal June 11, 2003
Zippora Pesahovitch June 11, 2003
Bianca Rivka Shichrur June 11, 2003
Malka Sultan June 11, 2003
Bertin Tita June 11, 2003
Miriam Levy June 12, 2003
Avner Maimon June 12, 2003
Mordechai Sayada June 13, 2003
Noam Leibowitz June 17, 2003
Avner Mordechai June 19, 2003
Zvi Goldstein June 20, 2003
Clara Rosenberger June 25, 2003
Amos (Amit) Mantin June 26, 2003
Erez Ashkenazi June 27, 2003
Krastyu Radkov June 30, 2003
Mazal Afari July 7, 2003
Amir Simhon July 15, 2003
Oleg Shaichat July 21, 2003
Roi Oren Aug 8, 2003
Haviv Dadon Aug 10, 2003
Yehezkel Yekutieli Aug 12, 2003
Erez Hershkovitz Aug 12, 2003
Avraham Bar-Or Aug 19, 2003
Binyamin Bergman Aug 19, 2003
Yaakov Binder Aug 19, 2003
Feiga Dushinski Aug 19, 2003
Miriam Eisenstein Aug 19, 2003
Lilach Kardi Aug 19, 2003
Menachem Leibel Aug 19, 2003
Elisheva Meshulami Aug 19, 2003
Tehilla Nathanson Aug 19, 2003
Chava Rechnitzer Aug 19, 2003
Issachar Reinitz Aug 19, 2003
Mordechai Reinitz Aug 19, 2003
Maria Reslas Aug 19, 2003
Liba Schwartz Aug 19, 2003
Hanoch Segal Aug 19, 2003
Goldie Taubenfeld Aug 19, 2003
Shmuel Taubenfeld Aug 19, 2003
Eliezer Weisfish Aug 19, 2003
Shmuel Wilner Aug 19, 2003
Shmuel Zargari Aug 19, 2003
Fruma Weitz Aug 23, 2003
Amatzia Nisanevitch Aug 28, 2003
Shalom Har-Melekh Aug 29, 2003
Gabriel Uziel Sept 4, 2003
Mordechai Laufer Sept 5, 2003
Ra'anan Komemi Sept 5, 2003
Haim Alfasi Sept 9, 2003
Yaakov Ben-Shabbat Sept 9, 2003
Mazi Grego Sept 9, 2003
Yael Kfir Sept 9, 2003
Felix Nikolaichuk Sept 9, 2003
Yonatan Peleg Sept 9, 2003
Efrat Schwartzman Sept 9, 2003
Prosper Twito Sept 9, 2003
David Appelbaum Sept 9, 2003
Nava Appelbaum Sept 9, 2003
David Shimon Avizadris Sept 9, 2003
Shafik Kerem Sept 9, 2003
Alon Mizrahi Sept 9, 2003
Gila Moshe Sept 9, 2003
Yehiel (Emil) Tubol Sept 9, 2003
Tova Lev Sept 12, 2003
Avihu Keinan Sept 25, 2003
Shaked Avraham Sept 26, 2003
Eyal Yeberbaum Sept 26, 2003
Ze'ev Almog Oct 4, 2003
Ruth Almog Oct 4, 2003
Moshe Almog Oct 4, 2003
Tomer Almog Oct 4, 2003
Assaf Staier Oct 4, 2003
Zvi Bahat Oct 4, 2003
Mark Biano Oct 4, 2003
Naomi Biano Oct 4, 2003
Hana Francis Oct 4, 2003
Mutanus Karkabi Oct 4, 2003
Sharbal Matar Oct 4, 2003
Osama Najar Oct 4, 2003
Nir Regev Oct 4, 2003
Irena Sofrin Oct 4, 2003
Bruria Zer-Aviv Oct 4, 2003
Bezalel Zer-Aviv Oct 4, 2003
Keren Zer-Aviv Oct 4, 2003
Liran Zer-Aviv Oct 4, 2003
Noya Zer-Aviv Oct 4, 2003
Lydia Zilberstein Oct 9, 2003
George Matar Oct 15, 2003
John Eric Branchizio** Oct 15, 2003
John Martin Linde, Jr.** Oct 15, 2003
Mark T. Parson** Oct 15, 2003
Erez Idan Oct 19, 2003
Elad Pollack Oct 19, 2003
Roi Ya'acov Solomon Oct 19, 2003
Alon Avrahami Oct 24, 2003
Adi Osman Oct 24, 2003
Sarit Schneor-Senior Oct 24, 2003
Shlomi Belsky Nov 18, 2003
Shaul Lahav Nov 18, 2003
Liron Siboni Nov 19, 2003
Patricia Terán Navarrete Nov 19, 2003
Samer Fathi Afan Nov 22, 2003
Ilya Reiger Nov 22, 2003
Hagai Bibi Dec 22, 2003
Alex Leonardo Weissman Dec 22, 2003
Adva Fisher Dec 25, 2003
Noam Leibowitz Dec 25, 2003
Angelina Shcherov Dec 25, 2003
Rotem Weinberger Dec 25, 2003
Ro'i Arbel Jan 13, 2004
Andrei Kegeles Jan 14, 2004
Tzur Or Jan 14, 2004
Gal Shapira Jan 14, 2004
Vladimir Trostinsky Jan 14, 2004
Avraham (Albert) Balhasan Jan 29, 2004
Rose Boneh Jan 29, 2004
Hava Hannah (Anya) Bonder Jan 29, 2004
Anat Darom Jan 29, 2004
Viorel Octavian Florescu Jan 29, 2004
Natalia Gamril Jan 29, 2004
Yechezkel Isser Goldberg Jan 29, 2004
Baruch (Roman) Hondiashvili Jan 29, 2004
Dana Itach Jan 29, 2004
Mehbere Kifile Jan 29, 2004
Eli Zfira Jan 29, 2004
Israel Ilan Avisidris Feb 22, 2004
Lior Azulai Feb 22, 2004
Yaffa Ben-Shimol Feb 22, 2004
Rahamim Doga Feb 22, 2004
Yehuda Haim Feb 22, 2004
Netanel Havshush Feb 22, 2004
Yuval Ozana Feb 22, 2004
Benaya Zuckerman Feb 22, 2004

Amir Zimmerman Feb 26, 2004
Eitan Kukoi Feb 27, 2004
Rima Novikov Kukoi
Feb 27, 2004
Gil Abutbul Mar 14, 2004
Daniel Assulin Mar 14, 2004
Avraham (Avi) Avraham Mar 14, 2004
Zion Dahan Mar 14, 2004
Ophir Damari Mar 14, 2004
Moshe Yaacov Hendler Mar 14, 2004
Mazal Marciano Mar 14, 2004
Avi Suissa Mar 14, 2004
Maurice Tubul Mar 14, 2004
Pinhas Avraham Zilberman Mar 14, 2004
George Khoury Mar 19, 2004
Yaakov (Kobi) Zagha Apr 3, 2004
Kfir Ohayon Apr 17, 2004
Yaniv Mashiah Apr 25, 2004
Tali Hatuel May 2, 2004
Hadar Hatuel May 2, 2004
Hila Hatuel May 2, 2004
Merav Hatuel May 2, 2004
Roni Hatuel May 2, 2004
Adaron Amar May 11, 2004
Aviad Deri May 11, 2004
Ofer Jerbi May 11, 2004
Ya'akov (Zelko) Marviza May 11, 2004
Kobi Mizrahi May 11, 2004
Eitan Newman May 11, 2004
Elad Cohen May 12, 2004
Aiman Ghadir May 12, 2004
Aviv Hakani May 12, 2004
Za'ur (Zohar) Smelev May 12, 2004
Lior Vishinsky May 12, 2004
Rotem Adam May 14, 2004
Alexei Hayat May 14, 2004
Shahar Ben-Yishai May 29, 2004

[RavenW]

I decided to open a new topic for those who think Palestinian supporter Rachel Corrin was a good person.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17540

[Kilgor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

A excellent article. Neutral in its approach, hardly a direct case of murder as some are crying a river over.

The most likely occurance, is that she did try and climb to the top of the pile, fell over and was below the drivers line of sight and was hit with the blade.


the IDF used tear gas and fired warning shots to disperse the ISM protesters, who then later regrouped.


Jeez, you think they would take the hint. And there lives were clearly endangered in being in the area where military operations where being carried out.

She did have to learn the hard way though.

tough :|

[Kilgor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/3/3c/RachelBurnsFlag.jpeg

That is not the actions of a rational protestor. Hate filled flag burning.

[RavenW]

... and she also gave a good example to the little children around her.

oh boy... what a role model! :roll:

[Kilgor]

"On April 25, 15 people, including British citizens Asif Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, met at an ISM apartment in Rafah, Gaza and then proceeded to the site of Corrie's death, where they placed a flower. Five days later Hanif and Sharif carried out a suicide bombing of the Mike's Place restaurant in Tel Aviv, killing three civilians. "

And these are the people she associated with.

:|

[RavenW]

Forget it... too much attention to her and her evil organization.

Let FBI and SHABACK care for them...

[SerbPVO]

UN should be disbanded.
What total garbage they have become.

FORZA ISRAEL!!!