Muslims refuse to bury militants

[VAMAN]

Monday, 1 December 2008

Muslims refuse to bury militants

By Zubair Ahmed
BBC News, Mumbai

Indian Muslims say they do not want the gunmen killed by the security forces during the attacks in Mumbai to be buried in Muslim graveyards.

Community leaders believe the militants cannot be called Muslims because they went against the teachings of Islam and killed innocent civilians.

One leader said the militants had "defamed" the religion.

Nine militants died when they stormed targets in India's financial capital, killing at least 172 people.

'Unprovoked'

In what is perhaps their first openly defiant act against "Islamic terrorism", Muslims in India have decided they will not allow the militants to be buried in Muslim graveyards anywhere in the country.

They said that they could not believe that the assailants, who they said had "killed innocent civilians unprovoked", were true followers of Islam.
Ibrahim Tai, the president of the Indian Muslim Council, which looks after the social and religious affairs of the Muslim community in India, said that they had "defamed" his religion.

"They are not Muslims as they have not followed our religion which teaches us to live in peace.

"If the government does not respect our demands we will take up extreme steps. We do not want the bodies of people who have committed an act of terrorism to be buried in our cemeteries.

"These terrorists are a black spot on our religion, we will very sternly protest the burial of these terrorists in our cemetery," he said.

Other Muslim groups have written to their local assembly representatives to say that if the authorities force the militants to be buried in a Muslim graveyard, they too will come out on the streets in protest.

The council move found some support in Mumbai.

One Muslim housewife, Ruksana Sayeed, said: "We Muslims do not even kill an ant, our religion does not teach all this, we are against all these terrorists and I completely agree with the Muslim Council's argument."

However, Naseem Ahmed, a Muslim worker in the city, said the council was wrong.

"They are Muslims and they can be buried even if they have done something wrong. Our religion does not say that those who have done evil can't be buried in a cemetery," he said.

The gunmen held dozens of people hostage in two luxury hotels and a Jewish centre for over 60 hours before they were killed by commandos.
India is believed to have the world's largest Muslim population after Indonesia.


Souce - http://news.bbc.co.uk/ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7758651.stm)

[Dominique]

Boo Hoo, to bad to sad for the gunman. Just dump them in one big unmarked grave and let them rot.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

The Muslim Council did a good job in deciding this, we should just ship the bodies to Pakistan
- or dump them in the sea as that's where they committed their first acts of violence.

[LineDoggie]

Shark Bait, It's whats for dinner.....

[philbob]

i wonder why american muslim groups cant do that .. i mean heavns forbid you take your nations side (rollz eyez)

[crayola]

Monday, 1 December 2008

However, Naseem Ahmed, a Muslim worker in the city, said the council was wrong.
"They are Muslims and they can be buried even if they have done something wrong. Our religion does not say that those who have done evil can't be buried in a cemetery," he said.
Souce - http://news.bbc.co.uk/ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7758651.stm)

this guy's got the right idea......a lot of evil, retarded muslims die everyday and go to muslim graveyards everyday.....no point appeasing others by betraying your own

[BlackFlag]

alive or dead, all terrorists should be punished to be made an example of. google crucifixion appian way.

at some point the gloves need to come off and we need to decide to be more brutal than the enemy.

[Fiber]

i wonder why american muslim groups cant do that .. i mean heavns forbid you take your nations side (rollz eyez)

Have muslims in the USA buried muslim terrorists in the USA?

[Billy No Mates]

I can appreciate the fact that local muslims would want to distance themselves from these shameful men,but christian criminals get christian burials regardless of their crimes in life,as much as its tempting to try and inflict post mortem punishment on those we consider evil i can't really see the point in it .

[Bushranger]

alive or dead, all terrorists should be punished to be made an example of. google crucifixion appian way.

at some point the gloves need to come off and we need to decide to be more brutal than the enemy.

Thats exactly what i reckon, unfortunately most of the world just go along as if alls good & dandy :)

[Fiber]

How are you going to be more brutal than the enemy? When the enemy kills 3000 civilians you are going to kill 6000? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. But I'm just another arm chair civvie.

[Bushranger]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

[Billy No Mates]

We don't need to be more brutal than our foe's just more determined and clever,as tempting as it might be to get all medieval on their asses i can't help but feel it would be self defeating as well as demeaning to lower ourselves to their standards .

[The Dane]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

Hell Yeah! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0031.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo145/heinebilleder/800px-Boeing_B-52_dropping_bombs.jpg

[SBL]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

They're really not that far-removed from the stone age.

[Bushranger]

Hell Yeah! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0031.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo145/heinebilleder/800px-Boeing_B-52_dropping_bombs.jpg

Now thats what im talking about. woot

[Fiber]

[deleted] I don't want to derail the thread further.

[SBL]

I can appreciate the fact that local muslims would want to distance themselves from these shameful men,but christian criminals get christian burials regardless of their crimes in life,as much as its tempting to try and inflict post mortem punishment on those we consider evil i can't really see the point in it .
I applaud the decision.
I doubt very much that the people in question know whether or not they've been buried according to custom, but that's not the point. The point is that these Indian Muslims are making a statement: this sort of attack will not be supported, materially or morally. I realize it may not be a deterrent for the most fanatical, but it's important in that it promotes solidarity- key for any struggle.

[LineDoggie]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.
Well, they still basically are in the stone age, just added Toyota hi-Lux trucks

[Salman]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

It's already in the stone age. You would be bombing mud houses and caves.

[Winger]

All things considered with what happened; they should be cremated and the remains discarded like regular refuse. That is the proper thing to do. The government should just do it without much mention after forensics has wrapped up their duties.

[WKD]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

What do you mean back?

These people being ostracised is pretty much what needs to happen.

Historically executed criminals are buried inside the prisons where they were executed. Keeps them from being buried next to decent folk.

[eskachig]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.Soviets tried just that with poor strategic results and increased militancy.

[kool_kruiser]

I applaud the decision.
I doubt very much that the people in question know whether or not they've been buried according to custom, but that's not the point. The point is that these Indian Muslims are making a statement: this sort of attack will not be supported, materially or morally. I realize it may not be a deterrent for the most fanatical, but it's important in that it promotes solidarity- key for any struggle.

x2.

i agree completely.

[Wildgoose]

Kudos to the Indian Muslim community. I never thought I'd say that about any Muslims, but taking active steps like this, instead of just wringing your hands and proclaiming yourselves as the "religion of peace" will go a long way towards the rest of us understanding each other.

Let the bastards rot on open ground for the scavengers or make them shark bait.

[Laworkerbee]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

The problem with that border is it is already in the stone age.

[LRPV]

No burial within a day....no use of Islamic graveyards. I like it, this may be a valuable way to have these indoctrinated kids re-evaluate what they are taught. The problem came from within Islam and most likely the solution lies there...

[deagle]

if they need to be buried, bury them away from good people....or bury them in a garbage dump or something.

[Ed Robinson]

Well if they have been promised eternal paradise and a good time with virgins ect, Why not burry the bodies in pig skin with the rest of the offal from the local pig abattoir. Try getting into a Muslim heaven now.

Good thing that this didn’t happen in Australia, they spent over 2 million trying to court martial one of the SAS blokes for kicking a corpse after a gunfight in Timor.
Ahh the west so soft.

[Bia]

"The worms have to eat... same as the buzzards"


Josey Wales

[annihilation]

A good symbolic move....

[beretta92]

They have a right to be pissed off with the terrs!

from times of india:

Of 58 killed at terminus, 22 were Muslims: Rlys
Mumbai: The death toll at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST) in the recent terror attack should serve to be a lesson to a section of politicians trying to communalise the issue of terrorism. The two gunmen, who spread terror at CST last Wednesday, killed a total of 58 people at CST, 22 of them being Muslims.
One Muslim family that took a body blow in the carnage was the Ansaris from Tulsiwadi in Tardeo. Four members of the family — Abbas Ansari (40), Rakhila Ansari (40), Mohd Ansari (40) and Sarfaraz Ansari (17) — were killed in the firing.
CR officials said the Muslims killed included both Mumbai residents as well as outsiders who might have come here for work or to meet relatives. Many of them were waiting for trains headed for UP and West Bengal, said officials.
A significant percentage of the 95 people seriously injured in the firing were also Muslims. Eighteen of these 95, who have been given ex gratia for treatment, are Muslims. “The bullet does not care for the victim’s religion,’’ a CR security official said.
The list of victims prepared by CR also shows the dead to include four foreigners and eight bodies are yet to be identified. CR officials said they were not able to ascertain the permanent addresses of three foreigners, Michael Moss (73), Jurman Rudolf (68) and Schmader Daffne (50). Officials have been able to get the address of Brett Tailor (49), a resident of Australia.

[Morboute]

A good symbolic move....


x2, a good message to both jihadists, and the "omfg all muslims are terrorist" crowd.

[Dominique]

What do you mean back?

These people being ostracised is pretty much what needs to happen.

Historically executed criminals are buried inside the prisons where they were executed. Keeps them from being buried next to decent folk.

Not here in the US. Executed prisoners remains are turned over to their family, if no one claims the body, they'll be buried on land owned by either the state or federal government.

[kool_kruiser]

Imams call for black ribbons on Bakr-Eid
4 Dec 2008, 0345 hrs IST, TNN
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NEW DELHI: Close on the heels of Mumbai's Muslim Council refusing burial space to the Pakistani terrorists killed in the Mumbai attacks, a group of

imams here has come out strongly against the attacks and asked the Muslim community to wear a black ribbon on Bakr-Eid as an expresion of solidarity with those killed in the outrage.

The imams, under the banner of All India Organisation of Imams of Mosques, called for subdued Eid-ul-Azha (Bakr-Eid) festivities across the country, scheduled for Tuesday.

The imams described the Mumbai carnage as an attack on the nation, as it appealed to all the mosques, muftis and madrasas to reiterate in this week's Friday prayers that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people and is against any form of terrorism.

"We are deeply aggrieved by the loss of human lives and especially by the brutal killing of Jews," they said in a statement.

"We have to think above caste, class, region and religion. It's an attack on India and all true Indians should come forward and salute the martyrs who sacrificed their lives for the sake of the country," it said.

Prominent clerics from both Shia and Sunni sects on Wednesday called for decisive action against Pakistan. A joint communique signed by Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangimahali, the naib Imam of Idgah, Maulana Mohammad Mushtaq, president of All India Sunni Board and Maulana Naimurrehman, president of the Ulema Council of India, demanded firm action against terrorists in order to restore faith of people in effective governance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Imams_for_black_ribbons_on_Bakr-Eid/articleshow/3790308.cms

[WKD]

Well if they have been promised eternal paradise and a good time with virgins ect, Why not burry the bodies in pig skin with the rest of the offal from the local pig abattoir. Try getting into a Muslim heaven now.

Good thing that this didn’t happen in Australia, they spent over 2 million trying to court martial one of the SAS blokes for kicking a corpse after a gunfight in Timor.
Ahh the west so soft.

According to a muslim friend of mine, it would make no difference to them getting into heaven; it would have to be a voluntary consumption of pork or something like that. So all you'd do is piss people off.


Not here in the US. Executed prisoners remains are turned over to their family, if no one claims the body, they'll be buried on land owned by either the state or federal government.

Thanks for the correction.

Imams call for black ribbons on Bakr-Eid
4 Dec 2008, 0345 hrs IST, TNN
(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3790308,prtpage-1.cms)

This could be the straw that breaks the camels back. But probably some fanatic will come along and **** it while it can't run away.

[Billy No Mates]

Of 58 killed at terminus, 22 were Muslims: Rlys
Mumbai: The death toll at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST) in the recent terror attack should serve to be a lesson to a section of politicians trying to communalise the issue of terrorism. The two gunmen, who spread terror at CST last Wednesday, killed a total of 58 people at CST, 22 of them being Muslims.
One Muslim family that took a body blow in the carnage was the Ansaris from Tulsiwadi in Tardeo. Four members of the family — Abbas Ansari (40), Rakhila Ansari (40), Mohd Ansari (40) and Sarfaraz Ansari (17) — were killed in the firing.
CR officials said the Muslims killed included both Mumbai residents as well as outsiders who might have come here for work or to meet relatives. Many of them were waiting for trains headed for UP and West Bengal, said officials.
A significant percentage of the 95 people seriously injured in the firing were also Muslims. Eighteen of these 95, who have been given ex gratia for treatment, are Muslims. “The bullet does not care for the victim’s religion,’’ a CR security official said.
The list of victims prepared by CR also shows the dead to include four foreigners and eight bodies are yet to be identified. CR officials said they were not able to ascertain the permanent addresses of three foreigners, Michael Moss (73), Jurman Rudolf (68) and Schmader Daffne (50). Officials have been able to get the address of Brett Tailor (49), a resident of Australia.

I don't know the exact statistics but i should think the number of muslims killed in terrorists murder spree's over the last few years has been very high,pricks like this don't care about killing ordinary muslims anymore than anyone else,as much as they like to go on about the suffering of muslims they never seem to have any qualms about adding to them .

[Supe]

We could start with bombing the Afghan Paki border region back into the stone age.

While I sure that it felt good to vent, the expressed sentiment 'send em to Allah' is not the smart play. Also indiscriminate. After all, we can hardly claim to be principled people if we endorse shifting rubble policy. It echoes the sort of talk that the crazy clerics/jihadists wax on about ~ where everyone is a legitimate target if it fulfills the objective of the cause.

[philbob]

Well if they have been promised eternal paradise and a good time with virgins ect, Why not burry the bodies in pig skin with the rest of the offal from the local pig abattoir. Try getting into a Muslim heaven now.

Good thing that this didn’t happen in Australia, they spent over 2 million trying to court martial one of the SAS blokes for kicking a corpse after a gunfight in Timor.
Ahh the west so soft.


I totally agree with burrying them in pigs skin on that note we should coat our ammunition with pigs blood. I have a feeling it would be a strong deterent.

True that about the west getting weak also were alot of spoiled children

[chino65]

Well done Muslims of India.

Majority of the muslims in the world are sick of this scourge of extremism which they do not support, yet suffer for.

But it takes the Muslims of India to have the guts to stand up and make a united gesture. There is hope yet.