Question of Selective Discrimination

[RavenW]

Would you agree that bad stuff happens everywhere in the world?

Do you agree that there is almost no country that would not have a case of abuse or mistreatment in its prisons, army, police?

Do you agree that everyone should be treated equally under law?

Then why there exist a selective discimination of the State of Israel and Jewish people?

...

you think it does not?

Look at our forum!

How many articles (topics) can you count that deals with Israel, Jews or Zionism in one way or another right here right now on this forum of ours?

Do you see 5-7 topics about... hm... lets say Congo? or South Africa?
abuse in Niger?

Now, count how many times you meet the word 'Israel' just in the titles?

Do you know the size of Israel comparing to its Arab neighbours in Middle East?

Do you think that Israel is the largest abuser of human rights in Middle East? what about abuses in Europe?

this question is directed specifically for European members of this forum:
How often have you posted something that deals with Human rights in Egypt, Syria, Yemen?
How often do you write about Saudi Army abuse? Syrian police mistreatment? Crimes of War that happens in Sudan or Ethiopia?

Some people just bothered by Israel's existence and can't leave this tiny country in peace...

[sethen]

From what I have read of your peoples religious propaganda (The Bible)
Israel has never known peace and never will. In an indeterminate time the nation will be destroyed and the people scattered to the four winds. And 2 or 3,000 years from then Christians and Jews wills plot to re-capture the land. It will be a religious crusade or even more cleverly disgiused as a "secular" war. You will have all the help of the greatest imperialist powetr of the time. So don't fret even though Armagedon (Har-Megiddo) is soon, "Gods Chosen People" will reclaim their god given land...eventually...in a few thousand years...after umpteen wars...with someone elses money...etc., etc. :cantbeli:

[Kilgor]

The greatest abuser of human rights towards muslims in the arabic world is their own governments. Just check the latest UN human rights reports about the middle east. Iran being one of the worst.

[Ichhabe]

To Raven W: I try to read your text but all it say is: bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla blabeti blabeti bla bla.

[Kilgor]

To Raven W: I try to read your text but all it say is: bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla blabeti blabeti bla bla.

congratulations to the european education system ! woot

[Ichhabe]

To Raven W: I try to read your text but all it say is: bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla blabeti blabeti bla bla.

congratulations to the european education system ! woot

It worked for me.

[Kilgor]

Ignorance is bliss ?

or did ravenW post a question to hate to answer ?

[Ratamacue]

Hookd on fonikz wurkd four mee!!!

[Ichhabe]

or did ravenW post a question to hate to answer ?


HÆ?

[Kilgor]

[quote=Kilgor]

or did ravenW post a question to hate to answer ?


HÆ?[quote]

Ops.. i mean you hate to answer ?

im very curious to see some explainations of why european members pick on israel so much

[Ichhabe]

[quote="Ichhabe"][quote=Kilgor]

or did ravenW post a question to hate to answer ?


HÆ?


Ops.. i mean you hate to answer ?

im very curious to see some explainations of why european members pick on israel so much

First of all; I can only speak for myself... I do not pick on Israel. Ever!

Second; If Raven W is such a smart guy as his first post on this forum tried to trick us to be; then he already could have figured out that answer by himself.

That is why I don't want to give that answer. Because the whole thread is just a flame bait. That is why.

[Tane Angle]

I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone by this writing, and apologize in advance I do so.

Take...Iraq. Saddam Hussein. Why wasn't it as big a deal if his security forces shot an innocent as opposed to the IDF shooting an innocent? Because Hussein's government wasn't supposed to be part of the "Western World." Call it the Kyoto Effect, if you will. Third-world nations are not held to the same standards on many things. But if a country wants a piece of the Western pie, that country has to understand that it will be tightly scrutinized. US forces are subjected to the same microscope, even by their own media (Note: The US media should report on the bad, but they should also report on the good. There's no sense in hiding our eyes to what our votes result in.)

In short, Hussein never pretended to be a nice guy or the head of a nice government. Western heads of state do. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Ratamacue]

Vote Tane Angle in '08.

[Tane Angle]

rofl Thanks for the vote of confidence bud.

[ArmedPacifist]

rofl Thanks for the vote of confidence bud.

He's right.

I'm really curious what party you belong to, but that's a topic we should not get into. ;)

[rokus2595]

I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone by this writing, and apologize in advance I do so.

Take...Iraq. Saddam Hussein. Why wasn't it as big a deal if his security forces shot an innocent as opposed to the IDF shooting an innocent? Because Hussein's government wasn't supposed to be part of the "Western World." Call it the Kyoto Effect, if you will. Third-world nations are not held to the same standards on many things. But if a country wants a piece of the Western pie, that country has to understand that it will be tightly scrutinized. US forces are subjected to the same microscope, even by their own media (Note: The US media should report on the bad, but they should also report on the good. There's no sense in hiding our eyes to what our votes result in.)

In short, Hussein never pretended to be a nice guy or the head of a nice government. Western heads of state do. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Actually it is much simpler than that. If countries follow the US line, then they are fighting terrorism, but if they don't follow the US line, then they are terrorists. It is as simple as that. Take Central America in the 80s for example. Hundred of thousands of people got killed during the civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua, by very suppressive regimes supported by the US Yet according the the US, that war was against communism, which was totally false.

So the theme seems to be 'as long as you follow our orders, we don't care what you do to your own people, but if you don't follow our orders, we will make sure that you do by calling you terrorist/communist/humanitarian intervention etc etc.... That also explains how the US supported Iraq in the 80s, when the US and Iraq had a good relationship even though Saddam was the same dictator as he was in the 90s..yet when Iraq invaded Kuwait, displeasing the US, suddenly Saddam was the evil guy...the US always knew that! they just decided to look the other way before

[Pooga]

Actually it is much simpler than that. If countries follow the US line, then they are fighting terrorism, but if they don't follow the US line, then they are terrorists. It is as simple as that. Take Central America in the 80s for example. Hundred of thousands of people got killed during the civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua, by very suppressive regimes supported by the US Yet according the the US, that war was against communism, which was totally false.

So the theme seems to be 'as long as you follow our orders, we don't care what you do to your own people, but if you don't follow our orders, we will make sure that you do by calling you terrorist/communist/humanitarian intervention etc etc.... That also explains how the US supported Iraq in the 80s, when the US and Iraq had a good relationship even though Saddam was the same dictator as he was in the 90s..yet when Iraq invaded Kuwait, displeasing the US, suddenly Saddam was the evil guy...the US always knew that! they just decided to look the other way before

http://www.cartway-kapers.com/images1/fartjo5.jpg
That is all.

[SOG]

From what I have read of your peoples religious propaganda (The Bible)
Israel has never known peace and never will. In an indeterminate time the nation will be destroyed and the people scattered to the four winds. And 2 or 3,000 years from then Christians and Jews wills plot to re-capture the land. It will be a religious crusade or even more cleverly disgiused as a "secular" war. You will have all the help of the greatest imperialist powetr of the time. So don't fret even though Armagedon (Har-Megiddo) is soon, "Gods Chosen People" will reclaim their god given land...eventually...in a few thousand years...after umpteen wars...with someone elses money...etc., etc. :cantbeli:

that already happened. cept the armegeddon part.....

[RavenW]

To Raven W: I try to read your text but all it say is: bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla blabeti blabeti bla bla.


First, if you can't answer the question than why bother answer at all... or some people can't walk by without puting their $0.02 in conversation.

Second,


bla bla bla


and what kind of comment/answer is that? A pure flame and insult... And after that you have a nerve to call me a flamer, while I asked a simple question "do Europeans selectively concentrate, discriminate and pick up on Israel while avoiding such serious issues as human rights in Arab states?"

Third, I did not wanted to "trick" anyone by my first post. Right from the start, I said there is one side that is MORE evil than the other, and I prefer to support the side of LESS evil/MORE good rather than being a neutral observer.
I guees if I "tricked" you, it's your own problem.

Fourth, Yes, I know the answer to the qiestion I posted. Not only know it, but can illustrate it by whole lot of evidence. Europe indeed discriminates Israel and Jews for long long time. And there are some facts, that even you might not know.

If you would be interested in them, I might write some stuff about Israel and Europe's relationships - how "great" it was even in 50s and 60s.

That is by the way one of great myths about Israel and Europe being friends first couple of decades. Howard Sachar writes extensively on this subject, and believe me, he knows it well. (After all he is the world's leading experts on European and Jewish relations.)

Fifth, even though I know the answers to those questions. I wondered if there is even one European on this forum who would have a gut to speak out and answer them... and admit, that there is a great prejudice and discrimination that Eropeans have when it comes to Jews and their State.


Last, but not least. I have no time right now. But I answer in full to the issue of "double standard" that was so elegantly put here about different policies of Iraq, America, Europe and Israel. And how the world should react if American soldiers shoot a civilian or Iraqi soldiers do this.

And what American soldiers and government should answer for, and what they shouldn't when it comes to double moral game played by European "allies".