Have you seen the movie "Fog of War"?

[Durandal]

Anyone see the movie "Fog of War"?

Its a documentary/interview of Robert Strange McNamara.

An interesting hour and a half.

[scott]

interesting movie and an excellent piece of historiography
i respect the man a great deal and im sure some people that disagree with me wil speak up

hes written some great books as well of which wilson's ghost is my favorite

[Bombtrack]

That was a great flick. I dragged my gf at the time to the theatres to see it, bad date movie :lol: One part that really struck me was comparing the destruction rates of the fire bombing camping to american cities, it was areal eye-opener.

Anyone have his 11 rules listed somewhere?

[DE_Six]

Yes, and it was very good.

[scott]

hope you meant these, there are also lessons he learnt from vietnam (actually i forget if those were in the movie)

Lesson #1: Empathize with your enemy.
Lesson #2: Rationality will not save us.
Lesson #3: There’s something beyond one’s self.
Lesson #4: Maximize efficiency. (spoken like a true mathamagician)
Lesson #5: Proportionality should be a guideline in war.
Lesson #6: Get the data.
Lesson #7: Belief and seeing are both often wrong.
Lesson #8: Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning.
Lesson #9: In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil.
Lesson #10: Never say never.
Lesson #11: You can’t change human nature.

theres also a fantastic critical review by dr. lloyd etheredge at
http://www.policyscience.net/mcnamara.pdf
definitively worth a read