Fallujah, is it time to finish the job?

[LordHalbert]

Ever since the US marines pulled out of Fallujah, it’s been my observation that there are clear signs that it’s increasingly becoming necessary for the US to go in and finish the job.

From what I’ve read, Fallujah has become a Taliban like mini-state that answers to nobody with armed thugs and terrorists running all over the place like cockroaches without any fear at all.

There is also increasing evidence that the Al-Queda terrorist Zarqawi is operating within Fallujah - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122846,00.html

Furthermore, the Iraq “Fallujah Brigade” has failed to do the task it was assigned to do – they are unwilling to enter Fallujah out of fear or other reasons.

It’s increasingly clear that Fallujah has become a safe haven for terrorists and forces opposed to Iraq’s democratic goals.

Thus, it is my conclusion that something needs to be done.

It’s my opinion, that the US at this point lacks the political will to do much more other than hand over power as quickly as possible and start withdrawing forces.

[American Patriot]

If it's necessary for Iraq to become free then it wil have to be done.

[MetalBoy]

I heard on FOX News that Task Force 121 is back in country in Iraq . I'm sure Fallujah is on their to-do list.

[Hav218]

Since when have news networks correctly stated anything about the whereabouts of a special operations unit? How would they even know?

[MEGR]

I kind of agree/disagree.. Rather, I'm conflicted when it comes to fallujah. Now when this whole shindig began, I had 100% confidence in our Marines, hell they were kicking ass like nothing in Fallujah. Now, when they decided to withdrawl US Marines from inner city fighting positions, and replaced with Iraqi forces, that is where I got conflicted. At this time, we were nearing handover of sovergnty. Now to lesson the burden on US forces, we had to get Iraqis into protecting themselves.. Everyone can agree, that letting Iraqis help themselves is the proper thing. We gave them training, and the freedom to do what they want. However, even though we are letting Iraqis do the stuff in fallujah, Fallujah to begin with was already a hotbed since occupation began. In that case I think we should've really railed on fallujah, and basically did what the Russians did, and kill all the sympathizers; however, people around the world and especially back home are getting tired of continuous fighting, and Bush probably gave in, and sooner or later got the Iraqis to take over. Whether that is good or bad, i don't know. One side, we gotta get the Iraqis to do something, on the other, they aren't that trustworthy (especially with a former Repub. guard gen.), and most likey not get the job done.

Man, that is what i hate about war these days.. Politics really screw things up. Back in WW2, we'd deal with these folks by bombing the crap outta them, and killing all sympathizers.

[talib_killa34]

Sure, those bastards in Falooj need to die. Their time is coming soon,

But.

They won't touch them until like a year has passed or so. Damn pol sensitivities.

WWII had that too though. :(

[Sayeret]

Politics really screw things up. Back in WW2, we'd deal with these folks by bombing the crap outta them, and killing all sympathizers.

Another major difference between WW2 is that people nowadays are less ****e to accept casualties. People are already comparing this to Vietnam despite the fact that the United States lost thousands in Vietnam. The insurgents and terrorists can accept casaualties and thats why they will continue fighting. IMO its not about how many people we lose its about whether or not we complete the goal we set out with.

[LordHalbert]

One of the stated goals of invading Iraq was to elliminate terrorists or area from which they can operate. Strangely enough, Iraq is actually more of terrorist threat than before :|

Anyhow, by not dealing with Fallujah, the US is acting in opposition of it's own stated goals :cantbeli:

[Secret Squirrel]

Politics really screw things up. Back in WW2, we'd deal with these folks by bombing the crap outta them, and killing all sympathizers.

Another major difference between WW2 is that people nowadays are less ****e to accept casualties. People are already comparing this to Vietnam despite the fact that the United States lost thousands in Vietnam. The insurgents and terrorists can accept casaualties and thats why they will continue fighting. IMO its not about how many people we lose its about whether or not we complete the goal we set out with.

Go back under you bridge troll. The comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam have already been laid out for you nice and neat and simple; if you cant understand them, then go read them again (it has nothing to with a body count). The very fact you said that the insurgents and terrorists can accept casualties is yet another comparison to Vietnam. And how the **** can you compare a World War to the Iraq war? The Allies never choose WWII, but Bush sure as hell chose this war. Also, the situation with Fallujah was created by the army's heavy handed tactics, which is why the marines were sent in to try and fix the mistakes. Sure the marines could go in and crush the insurgents and they would also, in the process, destroy the city. And guess what happens then? They'd have to remain there patrolling it and try to rebuild it and try to develop some kind of grass routes system before the situation flared up again. Oh wow, the Iraqi forces in Fallujah are creating a grass routes system between the city and the marines.

[Trigger]

Go back under you bridge troll.
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[Romulus]

Pot.
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My thoughts exactly..

[Secret Squirrel]

Go back under you bridge troll.
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Black.
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hope the irony isnt lost. rofl

[LordHalbert]

I didn't understand that :|

Anyhow, I posted this to encourage "intelligent" conversation on this rather important topic - not childish banter.

[MEGR]

I didn't understand that :|

Anyhow, I posted this to encourage "intelligent" conversation on this rather important topic - not childish banter.

LOl... I tried man. Anyways, this situation is very complicated, and who knows what's really going on there except for the folks on the ground. I guess all we can do now is leave it up to the commanders in charge with that area.

[seruriermarshal]

To Fallujah , perhaps need more time change it , But it can't become a Taliban Area !