The most cost effective pistol round

[Albatross]

9mm, 40, or 45. The .22 is not relevant here, so please post in airsoft section.

The most overall effective and cost efficient round for regular semi-auto shooting.

[LineDoggie]

.45ACP one round, they go down.......:)

[playtym]

Here in South Africa 9mmP beats the others hands down in terms of cost.

In terms of effectiveness, I'd say it depends on what you're going to be doing.

If it's for self defence, you'll get into that whole bigger is better debate, if it's for something like IPSC shooting then you need to consider the factor for each calibre (9mmP = minor, .40 & .45 = major), as they'll score differently.

[Albatross]

Here in South Africa 9mmP beats the others hands down in terms of cost.

In terms of effectiveness, I'd say it depends on what you're going to be doing.

If it's for self defence, you'll get into that whole bigger is better debate, if it's for something like IPSC shooting then you need to consider the factor for each calibre (9mmP = minor, .40 & .45 = major), as they'll score deterrently.


Thats not the debate you damned SA.p-) Cost-effective.

If that was the debate I would bring up velocity.

[Skutatos]

Don't underestimate lethality based on round size. The virginia tech massacre was carried out with a .22lr and a 9mm and they were plenty effective.

[Albatross]

Don't underestimate lethality based on round size. The virginia tech massacre was carried out with a .22lr and a 9mm and they were plenty effective.


Good example. Get out of my thread.

This isn't the point of this thread, get out.

[boone]

Hai guise! Wats going on in heer?

[scrybe]

10mm!
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[Albatross]

Hai guise! Wats going on in heer?

get out...............


10mm!
.


No such thing...........get out..............

[Alfacentori]

Well I used to own a few pistols, 9mm is prob the best in an semi auto, other wise I always found the combination of .357/.38spl to be a cost effective and versitile, especially if you want to shoot different matches at a club.

That would also be good for a personal carry, either a small .357mag snub or .38+p semi.

Other than the Desert Eagle I don't think there are many semi autos in .357mag?

Alfa

[Albatross]

Don't underestimate lethality based on round size. The virginia tech massacre was carried out with a .22lr and a 9mm and they were plenty effective.

you didn't even vote jackass.

infraction, give him one please.

[Alpheus]

You can't answer this question without saying what you will be using the round for.

[Albatross]

Well I used to own a few pistols, 9mm is prob the best in an semi auto, other wise I always found the combination of .357/.38spl to be a cost effective and versitile, especially if you want to shoot different matches at a club.

That would also be good for a personal carry, either a small .357mag snub or .38+p semi.

Other than the Desert Eagle I don't think there are many semi autos in .357mag?

Alfa

A sensible post, thank you for your input alfa. Beers on me.

[Albatross]

You can't answer this question without saying what you will be using the round for.

you are an idiot.

[LineDoggie]

Sgt. Thomas A. Baker A. Co. 105th Infantry, Saipan.

"At this point Sgt. Baker refused to be moved any farther stating that he preferred to be left to die rather than risk the lives of any more of his friends. A short time later, at his request, he was placed in a sitting position against a small tree . Another comrade, withdrawing, offered assistance. Sgt. Baker refused, insisting that he be left alone and be given a soldier's pistol with its remaining 8 rounds of ammunition. When last seen alive, Sgt. Baker was propped against a tree, pistol in hand, calmly facing the foe. Later Sgt. Baker's body was found in the same position, gun empty, with 8 Japanese lying dead before him."

[wildcat]

you are an idiot.
.45 all the way, when you looking at cost, it is not the price that is important, it the cost to coolness fear factor. PS .40 is for cops, 9mm is for military and week euro cops, because they not allowed to have cool pistols any more.

[Alpheus]

^^ Damn. Bet it was a .45

[Albatross]

Sgt. Thomas A. Baker A. Co. 105th Infantry, Saipan.

"At this point Sgt. Baker refused to be moved any farther stating that he preferred to be left to die rather than risk the lives of any more of his friends. A short time later, at his request, he was placed in a sitting position against a small tree . Another comrade, withdrawing, offered assistance. Sgt. Baker refused, insisting that he be left alone and be given a soldier's pistol with its remaining 8 rounds of ammunition. When last seen alive, Sgt. Baker was propped against a tree, pistol in hand, calmly facing the foe. Later Sgt. Baker's body was found in the same position, gun empty, with 8 Japanese lying dead before him."


Again, nothing to do with the question at hand. Get out of the thread.

Mods. can you lock this down and just leave the poll down. These damned BTDT's are ****ing me up.

[boone]

This thread is a huge success.

[wildcat]

^^ Damn. Bet it was a .45
it would of been a .45, they would of laughed at a 9mm back in those days

[Albatross]

.45 all the way, when you looking at cost, it is not the price that is important, it the cost to coolness fear factor. PS .40 is for cops, 9mm is for military and week euro cops, because they not allowed to have cool pistols any more.

I dont like you some days........


^^ Damn. Bet it was a .45

Really? Really? I had high hopes for you. GET OUT OF MY THREAD.

[playtym]

Thats not the debate you damned SA.p-) Cost-effective.

If that was the debate I would bring up velocity.


Pffftttt..... you and your Seppostani version of English - you're derailing your own thread. p-)


The most overall effective and cost efficient round for regular semi-auto shooting.

[wildcat]

This thread is a huge success.
I think Alby having a melt down, some body should take his airsoft pistols away before he hurts himself, it been a tough year for him.

[Albatross]

I think Ably having a melt down, some body should take his airsoft pistols away before he hurts himself, it been a tough year for him.


My god damned name is Alby, who the fvck is this ably guy?

[wildcat]

My god damned name is Alby, who the fvck is this ably guy?
does it really matter, who ylba is.

[Albatross]

Pffftttt..... you and your Seppostani version of English - you're derailing your own thread. p-)

Semantics, you don't speak english anywho so it doesnt matter. Just vote 9mm so we can all move on.

[boone]

This thread is a huge success.

[Euroamerican]

the cheapest one for a box of 100.

[playtym]

Just vote 9mm so we can all move on.

My vote would be for .455 Webley, but it's not an option.

[Albatross]

My vote would be for .455 Webley, but it's not an option.


get out..........

You play cricket, dont you?

[ronnieraygun]

This thread is a huge success.
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[Albatross]

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Get out......................

[Euroamerican]

9mm, 40, or 45. The .22 is not relevant here, so please post in airsoft section.

The most overall effective and cost efficient round for regular semi-auto shooting.

Please define your take on "effective" versus cost efficient.

Oh, and Ta for the Deez is da Piscz....

[playtym]

get out..........

You play cricket, dont you?

Rugby - I suck at cricket.


The .455's more better because it goes more faster - see, it's more rounded, so it's more airodynamik.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6703/image005dm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Albatross]

Please define your take on "effective" versus cost efficient.
effectiveness, cost, effectiveness. go.

[Insane Tadpole]

Get out......................
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[boone]

Successful thread is successful.
Alby's passed out now. Let's talk smack about him.

[LineDoggie]

Rugby - I suck at cricket.


The .455's more better because it goes more faster - see, it's more rounded, so it's more airodynamik.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6703/image005dm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Baaah, had an Iraqi pull a .455 Webley on us and fire a shot, he's playing with his 72 Virgin Goats now. How he thought he would win a fight with a Six-Shooter against Twelve of Us I'll never know.

[LRPV]

You did mean 9mm Makarov, right?

[LRPV]

The .455's more better because it goes more faster - see, it's more rounded, so it's more airodynamik.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6703/image005dm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I bet a few Zulus would vouch for that...p-)

[INAT]

Successful thread is successful.
Alby's passed out now. Let's talk smack about him.


I heard he has an abandonment issue. He tells people to "get out" but he
really means don't go. p-)

[ronnieraygun]

he's playing with his 72 Virgin Goats now

leave the poor goats out of it, plz.

i guess that means i won't be buying that old iver johnson i saw. it must lack stopping power. p-)

[LRPV]

Shotguns are more effective than pistols, the ammo is cheap too...

[Euroamerican]

I think he just wants us to vote an get out. Or maybe he hasn't had his Friday morning coffee yet. or maybe he's in his cups already?

A friend of mine would say .38. He just bought an Airweight after years of using autos.

[playtym]

Baaah, had an Iraqi pull a .455 Webley on us and fire a shot, he's playing with his 72 Virgin Goats now. How he thought he would win a fight with a Six-Shooter against Twelve of Us I'll never know.

When did this become a thread about you, and the Dirty Dozen?!?

Get out of Alby's thread.

[boone]

Alby once told me about an......."experimental phase" he went through while in Ft. Drum.
I'm not passing judgment here, I just saying it's better for all concerned if we get this **** on the table and in the light of day.

[LRPV]

Doesn't he have the benefit of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy?

[kuttless]

.45..just because it has the knock down power..I saw that on weaponlogy :)

[Alpheus]

4.6mm..justy because it has the penetration..I saw that on futur weapons :-)

[ronnieraygun]

.45..justy because it has the knock down power..I saw that on weaponlogy :)

Sure it wasn't that show on the Hitler Channel where the gunny shoots watermelons and ****?

[SMGLee]

I agree that 45ACP 9s probably the most effective round, even if the HP does not expand, you just get a decent half inch hole....for a pistol, you always want heavy round with a nice punch....

BUT

In most gun fight, you will likely expand a magazine full out of your 1911 and have to perform a reload. but what if while you are reloading, you might have others you have to dispose of...

a higher capacity magazine with something like a 40SW XD-M, Glock 22 or M&P40 are proably not as effective as the 1911 45, but more tactically sound....

I exclude the high cap 45 pistol as those are just overly large.

[boone]

You have completely missed the point as usual, Lee.

[kuttless]

4.6mm..justy because it has the penetration..I saw that on futur weapons :-)

mack said 6.8 is the round of the futur


Sure it wasn't that show on the Hitler Channel where the gunny shoots watermelons and ****?

I miss that show..alot of watermelons meet their end on that show.

I still say .45

[Cstafford]

.40 is where its at

[kuttless]

7.62 for the win

[EZFEED]

OK.......I voted 9mm *insert shameful face here:oops:* only because you asked for cost effectiveness Alby. :roll:

A pea shooters a pea shooter lol and that's about what the 9X19mm is. If you have a subgun then I think that the 9X19mm is best suited for you cause you can control it and your putt'in a whole bunch to make up for its wimpyness downrange. If your shoot'in in a handgun and want stopping power then walk on cause you lose allot of FPS depending on how short the barrel is. Good caliber for newbie's too cause the bark is mild to non-existent and the operator is less likely to have to overcome a flinch.

.45ACP aint that much more expensive and despite traveling at a slower velocity compared to the 9mm it still packs a more effective punch. It performs great in handguns and still is controllable enough to work in a subgun. To a newbie or fresh recruit it might take some getting used to but it delivers when you need it. In a subgun you don't need to really burp out allot to disable your target and even if it doesn't terminate it it will knock it down. Lots of good things to say but its not what you asked for and things you probably already know anyway.

Round for round the 9X19mm has it licked for being the most cost effective...........p-)

[LineDoggie]

8X22mm Nambu

[EZFEED]

The heck with you all! :lol:

.............12.7X33mm (.50 Action Express!!!)

[Alpheus]

OK.......I voted 9mm *insert shameful face here:oops:* only because you asked for cost effectiveness Alby. :roll:

A pea shooters a pea shooter lol and that's about what the 9X19mm is. If you have a subgun then I think that the 9X19mm is best suited for you cause you can control it and your putt'in a whole bunch to make up for its wimpyness downrange. If your shoot'in in a handgun and want stopping power then walk on cause you lose allot of FPS depending on how short the barrel is. Good caliber for newbie's too cause the bark is mild to non-existent and the operator is less likely to have to overcome a flinch.

.45ACP aint that much more expensive and despite traveling at a slower velocity compared to the 9mm it still packs a more effective punch. It performs great in handguns and still is controllable enough to work in a subgun. To a newbie or fresh recruit it might take some getting used to but it delivers when you need it. In a subgun you don't need to really burp out allot to disable your target and even if it doesn't terminate it it will knock it down. Lots of good things to say but its not what you asked for and things you probably already know anyway.

Round for round the 9X19mm has it licked for being the most cost effective...........p-)

Alby is gonna get you. WTF do you think you are doing? Bringing logic and common sense to this thread?

**** or GTFO.

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

i dont like you some days........



Really? Really? I had high hopes for you. Get out of my thread.





......piece!

[GETSOME]

Here in South Africa 9mmP beats the others hands down in terms of cost.

In terms of effectiveness, I'd say it depends on what you're going to be doing.

If it's for self defence, you'll get into that whole bigger is better debate, if it's for something like IPSC shooting then you need to consider the factor for each calibre (9mmP = minor, .40 & .45 = major), as they'll score differently.
Plus ,if you have contacts in the SANDF ,easy to get.p-)

[Scrim]

This settles it for me, I dont believe anything you say Alby, or should I say "Albi"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/g9Qu3iP3RYA&feature=related

[Hollis]

The easiest way to determine this, is to go to a store and look at prices.

9mm is the most popular selling round and he least expensive one to buy of the three.

Look at Winchester white boxes, bulk packed 100 rd box.


For reloading, 9mm is the less expensive one to make too.


BTW, the original question was; "The most overall effective and cost efficient round for regular semi-auto shooting." If you note it has nothing to do with knock down, kill power, ship sinking, anti-aircraft ability, etc.

[Bro Jangles]

9mm, because im a cheap SOB.

[RSone]

GIT TEH HELLZ OF MAH INTARTUBEZ!!!

I sez teh bezt cartridge iz the Dardrick .22 Tround. Now, I'z need someone to tell me how i shot from the M16oneelven111!

EDIT:

Check it out: Pretty interesting concept

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar****_tround