Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plot

[Peris]

Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plot

Published: 11/30/2008
A report alleges that Israel's national intelligence agency, Mossad has been behind the Ergenekon plot to topple the Turkish government.

A secret investigation of detained Ergenekon group members and other studies outside Turkey indicate that Mossad orchestrated coups against the Turkish government, the Turkish daily Milliyet reported Sunday.

The Ergenekon group is a Turkish neo-nationalist organization with alleged links to the military, members of which have been arrested on charges of plotting to foment unrest in the country.

Investigators uncovered evidence that show a Jewish rabbi named Tuncay Guney, who worked for Mossad and fled to Canada in 2004, was a key figure behind attempts to overthrow the Turkish government, the paper said, Fars news reported.

A document uncovered this week by the Sabah daily shows how Guney deliberately infiltrated Ergenekon and another organization known as JITEM, an illegal intelligence unit linked with the police and suspected of hundreds of murders and kidnappings.

Meanwhile, a separate report by Turkish daily Yeni Safak has claimed that Turkish security forces have discovered documents in Guney's Istanbul house that disclose information concerning suspicious investment and economic activities by certain Jewish businessmen in Turkey.

The businessmen allegedly have significant relations with individuals, political groups and cultural organizations affiliated with the Ergenekon group.

Turkish security forces have detained many members of the Ergenekon group, including retired army generals, politicians, popular lawyers and famous journalists. The individuals currently face trail on charges of plotting to overthrow Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=255329

[LineDoggie]

Wow, he fled to Canada in 2004, and now in 2008 they found documents?

I smell Tinfoil....

[Mr.Flint]

Wow, he fled to Canada in 2004, and now in 2008 they found documents?

I smell Tinfoil....
Especially cosidering the fact that the guy in question is neither jewish nor a rabbi, despite his claim :)

[4X4Driver]

I smell Tinfoil....

Of course you do :) What can one expect from the pro Islamic gov't mouthpiece media? They're in panic and now they're desperately trying to link this so called Ergenekon organization-which they use for silencing the opposition to this gov't - with Israel/mossad..nothing new from a gov't. with Islamic roots.

[Alpheus]

I love the joooos, they have their fingers in so many honeypots.... :D

[kvk1]

Of course you do :) What can one expect from the pro Islamic gov't mouthpiece media? They're in panic and now they're desperately trying to link this so called Ergenekon organization-which they use for silencing the opposition to this gov't - with Israel/mossad..nothing new from a gov't. with Islamic roots.

Well said.


I love the joooos, they have their fingers in so many honeypots.... :D

lol seriously

[Hispeed1]

Wow, he fled to Canada in 2004, and now in 2008 they found documents?
I smell Tinfoil....

Funny how "they" always blame Israel for everything; global warming, conjoined twins, etc...

[Ulytau]

Also he callin himself as a rabbi but as i read from the media if someone converted to Judaism he needs 11 years education for beeing rabbi too..

Everything start to be really interesting and useless news from the media..

[Peris]

Also he callin himself as a rabbi but as i read from the media if someone converted to Judaism he needs 11 years education for beeing rabbi too..
.



well he seems to be ''playing'' rabbi well:)







Rabbi: Mevaser YOCHANAN (mevaser.yochanan@jacobhouse.ca)

Chairman: Weston JOSLIN (weston.joslin@jacobhouse.ca)

President: Timothy M.STEVENS (tim.stevens@jacobhouse.ca)

Rabbi:Daniel T.GUNEY (rabbi@jacobhouse.ca)






http://www.jacobhouse.ca/index.html

[Peris]

Of course you do :) What can one expect from the pro Islamic gov't mouthpiece media? They're in panic and now they're desperately trying to link this so called Ergenekon organization-which they use for silencing the opposition to this gov't - with Israel/mossad..nothing new from a gov't. with Islamic roots.


Ergenekon is an existing political and judicial case or it's a fake?

[Ulytau]

well he seems to be ''playing'' rabbi well:)

http://www.jacobhouse.ca/index.html



Sami Kohen
November 20, 2008
The Jewish community in Turkey has warned that the case of a supposed convert to Judaism accused of being involved in a conspiracy to overthrow the government may stir antisemitic feeling.
Tuncay Guney, 36, left Turkey in 2004 and emigrated to Canada, where he reportedly adopted the Jewish faith and became a "rabbi" in Toronto.
Mr Guney is charged with being part of a secret nationalist organisation planning to topple the present regime. More than 40 suspects, including retired generals and bureaucrats, are in custody and are now on trial in Istanbul. Mr Guney, being out of the country, will be tried in absentia.
What concerns the Jews here is the sudden appearance of Mr Guney as a rabbi. His picture showing him with a beard and an apparently Charedi outfit has been widely published in the Turkish media and been described as the "Haham" (Jewish sage).
Mr Guney is an obscure and controversial figure, who is said to have had connections with the Turkish and foreign intelligence services. The indictment on the case regarding the projected coup cites him as one of the key figures in the conspiracy.
From Canada, Mr Guney said in interviews with several Turkish television channels that he was working as a rabbi at the Beith Jacob synagogue in Toronto.
He claimed that he was born Jewish, because he was a Sabbetist, a descendent of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire who followed the false Messiah Sabbetai Sevi and converted to Islam in the 17th century.
Turkish Jews have been concerned with the huge publicity that Mr Guney has been receiving in the country's media.
The leader of the Jewish community, Silvio Ovadia, expressed this anxiety at a press conference during which he stressed that the publicity portraying a person accused of conspiracy against the regime as a Jewish convert and a rabbi was provoking anti-Jewish feelings.
Mr Ovadia reported that the Jewish community had made inquiries in Toronto and found no sign of Mr Guney being a rabbi at the Beith Jacob synagogue.
He also said that Mr Guney had no connection whatsoever with the Jewish community in Turkey.


http://www.thejc.com/articles/turkish-community-chief-disowns-plotter-rabbi%E2%80%99


Turkish Jews saying that not me :)

PS : Gladio is the truth at NATO countries and we all know about their bloody back grounds in many countries from history in these days mostly checkin&readin about that.So called anti-communism moverment turnt to international mafia industry.

I only aganist some people tryin to turn this issues only to a magazine who have really dirty history ''with documents'' speaking like as an angel about this issue..

Wanna give only two example

Tuncay Ozkan he is the journalist and he wrote about that after serious checking bout secret services gladio etc or Ilhan Selcuk just another journalist i hope we will solve problem as soon as possible

[Peris]

here is a BBC piece about the issue with more details:

'Deep state' trial polarises Turkey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7684578.stm

[4X4Driver]

Yeah..it's soooo deep that....:roll:
rofl
NEW SURPRISE FROM PROSECUTOR: AGARTA

According to the indictment of the Ergenekon probe, the alleged criminal network Ergenekon is a sect-like organization based on the 600-year legend of Agarta.
Some sources describe Agarta as the legendary underground city in Tibet where information about world's history, the oldest faiths and cosmic teachings was kept in hidden archives. Other sources depict Agarta as an organization established by monks from the lost island Atlantis who were waiting for the day when they would return to the surface of the earth from their underground sacred cities.

http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=9438364


Agarta/Agharta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha



The Turkish Jewish community strongly and rightfully distances itself from this person....because he works for Fetullah Gulen (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019430.php) who unconditionally supports the current Islamist gov't. in Turkey.
;)

In 1999, footage was aired on Turkish television of sermons delivered by Fethullah Gulen to a crowd of followers, in which he revealed his aspirations for an Islamist Turkey ruled by shari'a as well as the methods that should be used to attain that goal. In the sermons, he said:


"You must move in the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing your existence, until you reach all the power centers… until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria… like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete, and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it… You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey… Until that time, any step taken would be too early - like breaking an egg without waiting the full 40 days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all - in confidence… trusting your loyalty and sensitivity to secrecy. I know that when you leave here - [just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and feelings expressed here."



Tuncay Guney is a "journalist" who immigrated to Canada after allegedly exposing this so called "Ergenekon terrorist org." He was working in a TV station owned by F. Gülen when he was in Turkey. He suddenly received "information" on this organization (of all the journalists in the country) and tipped the authorities after fleeing the country...then he suddenly popped up as an "Rabbi" in Canada...:roll:

[Peris]

Yeah..it's soooo deep that....:roll:
rofl
NEW SURPRISE FROM PROSECUTOR: AGARTA

According to the indictment of the Ergenekon probe, the alleged criminal network Ergenekon is a sect-like organization based on the 600-year legend of Agarta.
Some sources describe Agarta as the legendary underground city in Tibet where information about world's history, the oldest faiths and cosmic teachings was kept in hidden archives. Other sources depict Agarta as an organization established by monks from the lost island Atlantis who were waiting for the day when they would return to the surface of the earth from their underground sacred cities.

http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=9438364


Agarta/Agharta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha




you are telling us that you as a state HAVE a prosecutor in such a critical judicial position and he speaks about Agartha? what about the rest of the civil servants? are they sane or should we worry about an alien invasion ?:)

[4X4Driver]

you are telling us that you as a state HAVE a prosecutor in such a critical judicial position and he speaks about Agartha? what about the rest of the civil servants? are they sane or should we worry about an alien invasion ?:)

We've been telling you that, this Fetullah Gulen guy's followers has infiltrated into many critical positions in the state inst. Some says he's placed 100k ppl during the rule of current gov't..that's six years so far.

You can expect anything from them :)

Leading prosecutor of this trial is known for his strong anti M. Kemal stance in his earlief profession..so, nothing to worry for you guys ;)

[Peris]

Leading prosecutor of this trial is known for his strong anti M. Kemal stance in his earlief profession..so, nothing to worry for you guys ;)


the military prosecutor is also anti Kemal?

[4X4Driver]

the military prosecutor is also anti Kemal?

What are you talking about? what military prosecutor??

[Peris]

What are you talking about? what military prosecutor??



Military prosecutor launches probe into former admiral’s coup diaries

The Military Prosecutor’s Office on Monday also asked public prosecutors working on a case dealing with an investigation into Ergenekon to share documents acquired during the course of the investigation.



.http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=147579

[Beykoz]

Ergenekon is an existing political and judicial case or it's a fake?
This trial is largely nothing more than a farce... Government's way to silence its opposition. There are some mafia type criminals in this trial, but a lot are only guilty of opposing the AKP Government.

Just enter 'ergenekon trial' in Google news and just about all the news pieces will be from Zaman, government's mouthpiece. The rest is what you read in foreign media, which is the summary of a summary of the summary of the events' summary.

Releases are coming fast...

Two weeks ago :
Turkish court rules first release in Ergenekon trial
A Turkish court ruled Tuesday for the release of a retired petty officer arrested and detained for 17 months in the Ergenekon case in which 86 people have been accused of membership to a group that allegedly plotted to overthrow Turkey's Islamist-rooted government.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10389780.asp

Today :
Another release from Ergenekon
İstanbul 13. Ağır Ceza Mahkemesi, ''Ergenekon'' davasının bugünkü duruşmasında, tutuklu sanıklardan Gazi Güder'in tahliyesine karar verdi.
http://haber.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?detay=Ergenekonda_bir_tahliye_daha__212203_1&tarih=05.12.2008&Newsid=212203&Categoryid=1



you are telling us that you as a state HAVE a prosecutor in such a critical judicial position and he speaks about Agartha? what about the rest of the civil servants? are they sane or should we worry about an alien invasion ?:)
You have to ask yourself what the motivations behind this prosecutor, desperate enough to make such claims, are... Are you telling us Greek state is immune from overzealous employees like this...?

[4X4Driver]

Military prosecutor launches probe into former admiral’s coup diaries

The Military Prosecutor’s Office on Monday also asked public prosecutors working on a case dealing with an investigation into Ergenekon to share documents acquired during the course of the investigation.



.http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=147579

Oh..yeah.."Zaman" Fetullah Gulen's so called newspaper :)

Military prosecuter independently asking for a info about the former admiral's so called "coup diaries". They're simply checking to see if his allegations has any base...it's their duty to see if such thing took place.
Mil. Pros. has nothing to do with this case.

[Peris]

Are you telling us Greek state is immune from overzealous employees like this...?

i am not sure i should check the legal archives about statements involving Agartha :)

[Beykoz]

i am not sure i should check the legal archives about statements involving Agartha :)
What an idiot !!!

Check your archives about George Haderer.

[Zeev]

Some greeks here have really a teeth with Israel and Jews in general...

[Peris]

Some greeks here have really a teeth with Israel and Jews in general...


that's funny if you consider the link and papers and officials are Turkish:)

[Peris]

What an idiot !!!

Check your archives about George Haderer.


WHO the f is George Haderer?:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll: and what does he has to do with our topic?

[204 Kaymaz]

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[Beykoz]

that's funny if you consider the link and papers and officials are Turkish:)
But the Turks in general dismiss these claims as Ergenekon trial has minimal credibility, unless the outrageous claims fit one's agenda and they love to peddle it.



WHO the f is George Haderer?:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll: and what does he has to do with our topic?
At least try to follow an argument instead of sticking to one liners... You said : "you are telling us that you as a state HAVE a prosecutor in such a critical judicial position and he speaks about Agartha?"
And I said people misuse their authority and powers anywhere, but you being Greek, in Greece as well, bringing the Haderer case to your attention. If you are unfamiliar with that, may be you should look into law 3037/2002 that was passed by the Greek Government banning all the video games in Greece.

Face it, you are clueless in Turkish affairs but love to make comments based upon prejudice.
After all, what kind of a feeble minded clown would make a comment about the military prosecutor, tying him to Ergenekon trial...?

[Peris]

But the Turks in general dismiss these claims as Ergenekon trial has minimal credibility, unless the outrageous claims fit one's agenda and they love to peddle it.


bringing the Haderer case to your attention. If you are unfamiliar with that,


i am familiar with the case of GERHARD HADERER and not with ''George'' Haderer you talking for.

Our anchestors said that half knowledge of something is worse than total ignorancewoot

[Beykoz]

i am familiar with the case of GERHARD HADERER and not with ''George'' Haderer you talking for.

Hahahaaaa... I see, there were so many Haderers prosecuted and sentenced in Greece that you got confused and didn't know which one I was talking about... Grik is strong in you.



Our anchestors said that half knowledge of something is worse than total ignorancewoot
Tell your ancestors I said hello.
What do your ancestors have to say regarding feeble minded clowns such as yourself, who takes no heed of what they say but preaches it to all others...?
My ancestors call them got lalesi !

[Karaahmetoglu]

that's funny if you consider the link and papers and officials are Turkish:-)


No you guys do have a huge problem with Jews. There was a Turkish general that prayed at a Jewish site in Jerusalem and you guys posted that one up why? So what if he was Jewish? You guys thought that a sign of religious tolerance was a scandal, maybe the case in Greece, but not in Turkey.

[Peris]

Tell your ancestors I said hello.
!

when you reach Homo Erectus status i will.:)

[Hollis]

Out side of this thread degrading to the usual pissing match, best is to just close it.


Instead of baiting each other, report the first person that does it. That way they will earn the infraction and the thread can keep going.