HALO from UH-60 Blackhawk

[2RHPZ]

Master Sgt. Daniel Olivas, an operations sergeant with Special Forces Operations Detachment 144, Company A, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, Fort Lewis, Wash., departs an UH-60 Blackhawk during High Altitude Low Opening training June 12, during exercise Northern Edge 2004 at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska.* Northern Edge is Alaska's annual joint training exercise designed to enhance interoperability among the services by and honing joint service techniques and procedures.* (Photo by Senior Airman Joshua Strang, 354th Communications Squadron)

http://www.soc.mil/News/releases/04JUN/040612F34_0LI34.jpg

[1Cie GevGn]

Very nice pic, I used to have one where some guys were rappelling onto a carrier, lost it somehow :(

[ZeroPositive]

awesome photo.... creeps me out jumping so high :D

[Wilco]

"And my friends said it was impossible!"

[Graeme]

so what us a HALO jump then? jumping from out of the aircraft and waiting until the very last moment to deploy the canopy?

[CannibalSquirel]

so what us a HALO jump then? jumping from out of the aircraft and waiting until the very last moment to deploy the canopy?

HALO - High Altitude Low Opening

[Graeme]

Yes, i can read. I was just confirming whether or not i was correct. Repeating things doesn't help.

[tuckerhat]

is there a reason why i cant connect to .mil sites? i live in america....

[Fearless-Falcon]

is there a reason why i cant connect to .mil sites? i live in america....

I also cant visit the SOC.mil site

[NcDeuce]

Cool pic


Very nice pic, I used to have one where some guys were rappelling onto a carrier, lost it somehow :(

SPIE?

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9176/SPIE.jpg

[1Cie GevGn]

ty ;) :hug: woot

[tuckerhat]

I also cant visit the SOC.mil site

what ISP do you have?

[Pooga]

High Altitude as in how high? That poor Blackhawk…

[Argyll]

ADIDAS GSG9 boots?.......very comfortable a mate of mine has the desert ones.....light as a feather

[He219]

is there a reason why i cant connect to .mil sites? i live in america....

I also cant visit the SOC.mil site

Pehaps this will help. From 'TP - 6/16 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17428&start=0)'
http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/1003216.jpg
Hi-Res (http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/hres.pl?Lbox_cap=1003216&dir=Photo)

Army Master Sgt. Daniel Olivas, operations sergeant with Special Forces Operations Detachment 144, Alpha Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, Fort Lewis, Wash., departs an aircraft during High Altitude Low Opening (HALO) training over the Yukon Training Area during exercise Northern Edge 04 at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, June 12, 2004. Northern Edge is Alaska's annual joint training exercise designed to enhance interoperability joint service techniques and procedures.
;)

[Locked N Loaded]

AS ALWAYS..Great pic He219, thanks!

L n L

[tuckerhat]

Pehaps this will help.

Yes, yes that would help. You wouldn't also know why I can't access soc.mil would you? :lol:

[Michael RVR]

High Altitude as in how high? That poor Blackhawk…

Yeah, i didn't know Blackhawks could get up high enough to actually qualify people to do HALO.

Any idea what the altitude was?

[bertfivesix]

I always envisioned HALO jumps as necessitating the use of helmet, mask, and O2 tank. Guess there goes that theory..

Maybe since this was just an exercise, they chose to forego the extra 10,000 ft..

[Pooga]

An UH-60 has a service ceiling of about 12,000 ft and a little more than 19,000 ft on an "ISA Day," whatever that is.

http://www.sikorsky.com/Images/SAC_Sikorsky_Aircraft_Corporation/US-en/AH70-01.jpg
Holy monkeys, look at those Hellfires! The Blackhawk has the avionics to fire those babies?

Sorry the image is so big…how do I cut it down?

[Russian Texan]

HALO is anything above 15000 feet and opening near hard deck (2500ft) The guy on the picture is at about 8500-9000 ft.

Conclusion: it is not a HALO jump.

[Pooga]

HALO is anything above 15000 feet and opening near hard deck (2500ft) The guy on the picture is at about 8500-9000 ft.

Conclusion: it is not a HALO jump.

You have some crazy mental range finding, my friend. ;)

[Nizark]

fockin A, i have jumped a few, but damn...that roping **** aint for me

[Uncle Chô]

http://www.sikorsky.com/Images/SAC_Sikorsky_Aircraft_Corporation/US-en/AH70-01.jpg
Holy monkeys, look at those Hellfires! The Blackhawk has the avionics to fire those babies?
That was an early Sikorsky prototype adverstising photo to show the theorical maximum combat load. Dummy missiles. AFAIK it never saw operational use.

[NcDeuce]

http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/040612-F-3488S-018.jpg


A Soldier parachutes down to a drop zone in Alaska during a High Altitude Low Opening (HALO) jump during Northern Edge, an annual joint training exercise. The Soldier is assigned to Company A, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, and the aircraft is operated by Soldiers of Company A, 4th Battalion, 123rd Aviation Regiment.

This ought to compliment the thread.

[Deuterium]

HALO is anything above 15000 feet and opening near hard deck (2500ft) The guy on the picture is at about 8500-9000 ft.

Conclusion: it is not a HALO jump.

Completely utterly wrong....

Conclusion: You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

[He219]

:lol:

[Burncycle]

http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/040612-F-3488S-018.jpg


A Soldier parachutes down to a drop zone in Alaska during a High Altitude Low Opening (HALO) jump during Northern Edge, an annual joint training exercise. The Soldier is assigned to Company A, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, and the aircraft is operated by Soldiers of Company A, 4th Battalion, 123rd Aviation Regiment.

This ought to compliment the thread.

He opened his parachute awfully close to the blackhawk. I thought they were supposed to open it at low altitude if it was a HALO?

[Deuterium]

More than likely he's on final. I would guess that the photo was taken from the ground.
The fact that there is a Blackhawk in the background only means the helicopter is, probably, waiting to land to pick up another
stick. Pretty common but I wasn't there. Taking photos under canopy, while not completely uncommon, is generally frowned
upon when your this close to your fellow jumpers. If you were on my team and I caught you with your hands on a camera
instead of your brakes I'd ground your ass.

[He219]

This thread was about a HALO jump from a UH-60 Helicopter...

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/thumbnails/thumb_021206-N-5319A-001.jpg
How about an SH-3 Sea King ?
;)

From Yesterday's Pic's (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17535&start=0)
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040615-N-6901L-001.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/040615-N-6901L-001.jpg)

Coupeville, Wash. (Jun. 15, 2004) - U.S. Navy Sailors assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit One One (EODMU-11), and U.S. Air Force Airman from the 66th Training Squadron depart an SH-3 Sea King helicopter while performing a High Altitude Low Opening (HALO) training exercise, near Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, Wash




Deut, what is the 'minimum height' for classification as a 'High Altitude' jump?
p-)

[Deuterium]

It's all in USASOC Reg 350-2.

[He219]

What; is that some sort of national secret ?

;)

[Deuterium]

What; is that some sort of national secret ?

;)

I'll PM you on tuesday. I'm home and away from the Regs. After the flaming above I didn't want to spout out with info that wasn't checked against the reg. Pretty much any jump with a MC-4 is a HALO jump. I've jumped as low as 6000' AGL and pulled as low as 3500 AGL.

[He219]

Thanks, Deut.

We're running short on field regulations around here ..
;)

[Raistlin]

Some quotes from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO) (check for their references if you want):


The HALO technique is used for delivering equipment, supplies, or personnel, while the HAHO technique is generally used only for personnel. In a typical HALO/HAHO insertion, the airplane will fly at altitudes of up to 8,000m (26,000ft).
....
The origins of the HALO technique could be traced back to SEAL Team SIX of the United States Navy. The team pioneered the use of military free-fall exercises when the U.S. military needed to deliver soldiers to boats and other large operational gears for military personnel delivering or target neutralization. SEAL Team SIX perfected the HALO method by jumping from altitudes upward of 36,000 feet with oxygen masks.

In a typical HALO exercise, the parachuter will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for around a minute, and open his parachute at a low altitude.
....
At high altitudes of the Earth's atmosphere, the oxygen quantities required for human respiration become thin. A typical HALO exercise will require the use of an oxygen mask, as the parachuter jumps from an altitude upwards of 12,000 feet
....
In a typical HALO exercise, a parachuter will jump with:
....
* an oxygen bottle and mask (if jumping over 12,000 feet)

So as far as I got it, High Altitude-Low Opening jump doesn't actually need to be high altitude.

[He219]

* an oxygen bottle and mask (if jumping over 12,000 feet)
Hmm; I've never used a bottle (of air) while jumping from around 13,5 MSL
;)

Then again, 12,000' AGL in the Rockies is another matter ...
p-)

[Deuterium]

Anything over 12,999 MSL requires O2.

[He219]

I was'nt bragging or anything, but...

*Somebody tell my instructors in Taft!*
:lol:

[Deuterium]

Somebody tell my instructors in Taft!
:lol:

Of course this is a Mil reg. p-)

[Deuterium]

Some quotes from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO) (check for their references if you want):


The HALO technique is used for delivering equipment, supplies, or personnel, while the HAHO technique is generally used only for personnel. In a typical HALO/HAHO insertion, the airplane will fly at altitudes of up to 8,000m (26,000ft).
....
The origins of the HALO technique could be traced back to SEAL Team SIX of the United States Navy. The team pioneered the use of military free-fall exercises when the U.S. military needed to deliver soldiers to boats and other large operational gears for military personnel delivering or target neutralization. SEAL Team SIX perfected the HALO method by jumping from altitudes upward of 36,000 feet with oxygen masks.

In a typical HALO exercise, the parachuter will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for around a minute, and open his parachute at a low altitude.
....
At high altitudes of the Earth's atmosphere, the oxygen quantities required for human respiration become thin. A typical HALO exercise will require the use of an oxygen mask, as the parachuter jumps from an altitude upwards of 12,000 feet
....
In a typical HALO exercise, a parachuter will jump with:
....
* an oxygen bottle and mask (if jumping over 12,000 feet)

So as far as I got it, High Altitude-Low Opening jump doesn't actually need to be high altitude.

Here's a few people that will find it strange that Seal Team Six Originated the HALO techniques.... Let's see that math stuff is hard. 1980 or 1962 hmmm....

http://www.vistech.net/users/edman/halo/bragg1.jpg

First US HALO Class.
FT. Bragg N.C. 1962

(right) Ssgt. WJA Charette, Maj. Johnson, Ssg. Earl MacMillan

Here's a few SEALs that are credited as being the first to go through HALO training.... Hmmm there from SEAL team 2..... SEAL Team 6 1980 or SEAL Team 2 1963 hmmmm help me out here folks.

http://www.vistech.net/users/edman/halo/seal2.jpg


Here is the link

http://www.vistech.net/users/edman/halo/photo2.html

[Raistlin]

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p-)

[Deuterium]

Hmmmmm combat HALO jumps Vietnam...


Date: Five HALO jumps from 1970 - 71
First men to receive combat stars on HALO wings. SOG commandos won ten Medals of Honor.
Unit: Op 35, Command & Control North (CCN), Special Operations Group (SOG) , High Altitude
Low Opening team (HALO).
Formerly classified.
Jumped from 17,000 to 21,000 feet with oxygen, between 0001-0300 hours.
Objective to close the Ho Chi Minh trail to NVA by calling in air strikes.
Individually extracted with V rings by helicopter.
STABO ( Stabilized Tactical Airborne Operation).


SEAL Team Six- 1980 hmmmmmmm


What is true is that SEAL Team Six was instrumental in improving and pioneering new techniques in HALO/HAHO. They did not, originate HALO.

[Deuterium]

Some quotes from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO) (check for their references if you want):


That's the difference between finding your info on the web and doing it for a living. The facts tend to get in the way of a good story. Don't believe everything you look up on the web kid.

[Gordon]

http://teamhouse.tni.net/scrapbook/Edge/obit.htm

Seems this guy was probably involved with HALO and it's origin ... quite a guy.

[Raistlin]

Don't believe everything you look up on the web kid.
I hope it wasn't directed to me. Because then it would be wrong.

But, anyway, the point of that quote wasn't the info about SEALs - it was the idea that high altitude jump doesn't have to be high altitude at all.

[Deuterium]

http://teamhouse.tni.net/scrapbook/Edge/obit.htm

Seems this guy was probably involved with HALO and it's origin ... quite a guy.

Great find. Thanks for posting the article.

[Deuterium]

Don't believe everything you look up on the web kid.
I hope it wasn't directed to me. Because then it would be wrong.

But, anyway, the point of that quote wasn't the info about SEALs - it was the idea that high altitude jump doesn't have to be high altitude at all.

It was directed at you. The info you posted was incorrect. You ARE correct in saying that the jump doesn't necessarily have to be "high altitude". Of course high altitude is a relative term. The website that you copied the info from is wrong at worse and misleading at best. Cool pics though. Cheers. Oh and nice diploma. Guess I fu*ked up now that I see it. I'm removing my link.

[Raistlin]

It was directed at you. The info you posted was incorrect.
So? It doesn't mean I believed that SEALs part.


Oh and nice diploma. Guess I fu*ked up now that I see it. I'm removing my link.
Err, didn't get you there, mate. What do you mean you "fked up"? Should I remove mine as well? It's a joke, I don't think anyone will believe it.

Btw, Deuterium, Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. It owns its existance to all the people around the world who are kind enough to share their knowledge. So if there's an article (like the HALO one) which has some error/inconsistencies/etc, future visitors will appreciate your input/corrections :)

[Deuterium]

It was directed at you. The info you posted was incorrect.
So? It doesn't mean I believed that SEALs part.


Oh and nice diploma. Guess I fu*ked up now that I see it. I'm removing my link.
Err, didn't get you there, mate. What do you mean you "fked up"? Should I remove mine as well? It's a joke, I don't think anyone will believe it.

Btw, Deuterium, Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. It owns its existance to all the people around the world who are kind enough to share their knowledge. So if there's an article (like the HALO one) which has some error/inconsistencies/etc, future visitors will appreciate your input/corrections :)

Yeah please remove yours as well. I'm the dum*ss. Thanks for the advice I will e-mail that site.

[2RHPZ]

Is it HALO? :lol:


Highest fall survived without parachute
Who: Vesna Vulovic
When: January 26th, 1972
Where: Somewhere over the Czech Republic
What: 33,330 ft.
Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) when the DC-9 in which she was traveling blew up over Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), on January 26, 1972. No other passengers survived. It is believed the plane crashed after the detonation of a bomb planted by Croatian terrorists in the forward cargo hold. Vesna Vulovic fell 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) - breaking both legs and becoming paralyzed from the waist down.

BTW, last year she visited the LZ. :D

[HumanShield]

Is it HALO? :lol:


Highest fall survived without parachute
Who: Vesna Vulovic
When: January 26th, 1972
Where: Somewhere over the Czech Republic
What: 33,330 ft.
Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) when the DC-9 in which she was traveling blew up over Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), on January 26, 1972. No other passengers survived. It is believed the plane crashed after the detonation of a bomb planted by Croatian terrorists in the forward cargo hold. Vesna Vulovic fell 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) - breaking both legs and becoming paralyzed from the waist down.


BTW, last year she visited the LZ. :D

What the hell did she land on? A packing peanut company??

[Raistlin]

I'm the dum*ss.
But why? :-/ Why is the design of graduation paper is secret? I mean, you had removed the serial numbers and the stamp, so what's the problem?

Thanks for the advice I will e-mail that site.
Err, I'm afraid that won't work. The site has a HUGE database of information (just try to search for anything), and the admins can't keep up with all the updates. You can edit the article yourself in whatever way you like! You'll see "edit" link on that page and everyone is free to edit. And, btw, if you have more time to spare, you could also post all the references and explanations of changes in the "talk" page so the other editors will know that you know what you're talking about.

[oldsoak]

Cool pic


Very nice pic, I used to have one where some guys were rappelling onto a carrier, lost it somehow :(

SPIE?

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9176/SPIE.jpg


Sh*t - I'm getting vertigo just looking at the picture ( turns green and starts holding on to the keyboard....)

[mack pl]

Is it HALO? :lol:


Highest fall survived without parachute
Who: Vesna Vulovic
When: January 26th, 1972
Where: Somewhere over the Czech Republic
What: 33,330 ft.
Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) when the DC-9 in which she was traveling blew up over Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), on January 26, 1972. No other passengers survived. It is believed the plane crashed after the detonation of a bomb planted by Croatian terrorists in the forward cargo hold. Vesna Vulovic fell 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) - breaking both legs and becoming paralyzed from the waist down.


BTW, last year she visited the LZ. :D

What the hell did she land on? A packing peanut company??
she flying on the doors, so it was some kind of wing.............If Im correct :roll:

[2RHPZ]

Is it HALO? :lol:


Highest fall survived without parachute
Who: Vesna Vulovic
When: January 26th, 1972
Where: Somewhere over the Czech Republic
What: 33,330 ft.
Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) when the DC-9 in which she was traveling blew up over Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), on January 26, 1972. No other passengers survived. It is believed the plane crashed after the detonation of a bomb planted by Croatian terrorists in the forward cargo hold. Vesna Vulovic fell 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) - breaking both legs and becoming paralyzed from the waist down.


BTW, last year she visited the LZ. :D

What the hell did she land on? A packing peanut company??
she flying on the doors, so it was some kind of wing.............If Im correct :roll:

She was still buckled up in the seat and fell straight to the forrest. Nothing special ... just a miracle! ;)

[Trigger]

Is it HALO? :lol:


Highest fall survived without parachute
Who: Vesna Vulovic
When: January 26th, 1972
Where: Somewhere over the Czech Republic
What: 33,330 ft.
Vesna Vulovic, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) when the DC-9 in which she was traveling blew up over Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), on January 26, 1972. No other passengers survived. It is believed the plane crashed after the detonation of a bomb planted by Croatian terrorists in the forward cargo hold. Vesna Vulovic fell 10,160 m. (33,330 ft.) - breaking both legs and becoming paralyzed from the waist down.

BTW, last year she visited the LZ. :D

I believe that's what ibstolidude would call HANO ;)

[Russian Texan]

HALO is anything above 15000 feet and opening near hard deck (2500ft) The guy on the picture is at about 8500-9000 ft.

Conclusion: it is not a HALO jump.

Completely utterly wrong....

Conclusion: You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

My dear Sir, I make several jumps from 13500-14K almost every weekend, so trust me, I know a thing or two about skydiving, types of clouds and what altitude they are at...

Age doesn't always equals ultimate expertise or experience ;)

[Deuterium]

HALO is anything above 15000 feet and opening near hard deck (2500ft) The guy on the picture is at about 8500-9000 ft.

Conclusion: it is not a HALO jump.

Completely utterly wrong....

Conclusion: You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

My dear Sir, I make several jumps from 13500-14K almost every weekend, so trust me, I know a thing or two about skydiving, types of clouds and what altitude they are at...

Age doesn't always equals ultimate expertise or experience ;)

Trust me then... you don't know much about HALO ops. Hey great you are a skydiver, me too. But I wouldn't make comments on HALO ops if I was only a skydiver. Jumping out of an airplane, at night, on O2, with a weapon at your side acticng as a rudder, a 60lb ruck to your front or back, freefalling into space with other jumpers, getting into a stack with only two chemlights, navigating to the DZ, and then landing with no lights is NOT a skydive.... Not to mention the fact that you don't get to fire up a fatty and throw back a cold one after the jumpin day is over, instead you get to make sure your ass isn't shot off. Then again you are in Texas.... Hmmmm.

Blue skies my skydiving friend.

[Russian Texan]

Thank you, blue skies to you too, sir.

I have never claimed to be an expert on HALO jumps but only repeated what I have heard at my DZ from a guy who, according to him, comes from similar to yours walk of life.
So his "definition" and my altitude estimate resulted in what you have percieved as an "expert" opinion.

To be honest, I envy you military guys: all that fun and a paycheck, of course there are other "options" but they just add to the adrenaline...

Actually, I plan to do 30K in the fall, 2 minutes of freefall - what can be better :)

[Deuterium]

Thank you, blue skies to you too, sir.

I have never claimed to be an expert on HALO jumps but only repeated what I have heard at my DZ from a guy who, according to him, comes from similar to yours walk of life.
So his "definition" and my altitude estimate resulted in what you have percieved as an "expert" opinion.

To be honest, I envy you military guys: all that fun and a paycheck, of course there are other "options" but they just add to the adrenaline...

Actually, I plan to do 30K in the fall, 2 minutes of freefall - what can be better :)

Cool, 30K will be a blast. I've got to tell you truthfuly the only jumps that are fun are "holywood" jumps. The rest are just work. Every equipment jump is an adventure and your always hoping that your equipment won't take you for a ride. The chute we use is just plain HUGE and is a boat to drive. Sitting in the harness during a HAHO for a half and hour thinking about your leg straps coming undone is never fun either. Your arms go to sleep and you end up steering with your legs. The harness and chute only come in one size even though they are "adjustable". Watching a fellow skydiver trash pack while you struggle to get your 300square foot chute into its container is true envy.

Have fun on your HALO jump, take some cool pics and post-em. I think we'd all be interested in them. Get some good gloves. Is this from the outfit HALOjumper.com?

[Russian Texan]

Sitting in the harness during a HAHO for a half and hour thinking about your leg straps coming undone is never fun either. Your arms go to sleep and you end up steering with your legs. The harness and chute only come in one size even though they are "adjustable". Watching a fellow skydiver trash pack while you struggle to get your 300square foot chute into its container is true envy.

You see, posts like that - take all of the romance out... :lol:

300ft must be a pain to pack, I jump 169.
halojumper.com is the place, pictures from 30k is a must - I will definitely post and brag about them :lol:

Thanks for the gloves tip.

[Sand Man]

Cool, 30K will be a blast. I've got to tell you truthfuly the only jumps that are fun are "holywood" jumps. The rest are just work. Every equipment jump is an adventure and your always hoping that your equipment won't take you for a ride. The chute we use is just plain HUGE and is a boat to drive. Sitting in the harness during a HAHO for a half and hour thinking about your leg straps coming undone is never fun either. Your arms go to sleep and you end up steering with your legs. The harness and chute only come in one size even though they are "adjustable". Watching a fellow skydiver trash pack while you struggle to get your 300square foot chute into its container is true envy.

Have fun on your HALO jump, take some cool pics and post-em. I think we'd all be interested in them. Get some good gloves. Is this from the outfit HALOjumper.com?

Deut/Guys,

I know this thread is like years ago but I gotta ask: How long does it usually take to HAHO at 35K? And if at the same height you HALO would it just be seconds/minutes?

Thanks!

http://www.teknikgrup.com/products/images/HAHO_HALO.jpg

[Creeper]

pm Inbound Sand Man.

[Ravage]

ADIDAS GSG9 boots?.......very comfortable a mate of mine has the desert ones.....light as a feather

are they durable ? I mean can they stand a lot of punishment ?