Italian Press - Jerzy Kos - a SUPER SPY !!! :-)))

[fdt]

In brief; according to Italian Press: Polish freed hostage was a SUPER SPY !!! rofl rofl rofl .
3 months of tracing the Italian hostages vs 8 days search for Polish hostage ..... due to MICRO CHIP placed under a skin of POLISH hostage/spy :D :D :D This civilian was allegedly be sent by Polish intelligence as a "bite" for the terrorists to break the 3 months stalemate with Italiuan nhostages. Polish engineer allegedly (according to Italian press :D :D :D ) an Polish-American SPY, was supposedly to have a mocro-chip sewed under his skin !!! Italian press speculates rofl rofl rofl that he was deliberately sent to break the Italian hostages crisis rofl rofl rofl His job was to give his head to provoke Iraqi kidnappers to reveal the location of the Italian hostages.... IMHO very funny story.... :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: Don't **** with Polish engineers !!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

http://www.repubblica.it/2004/f/sezioni/politica/ostliberi2/chipinchiesta/chipinchiesta.html

Dagli interrogatori spunta una nuova ricostruzione
del blitz che ha riportato a casa Stefio, Cupertino e Agliana
"Ostaggi liberati grazie
a un microchip sottopelle"
Lo avrebbe "indossato" il polacco
Confermata una trattativa italiana
di CLAUDIA FUSANI

Jerzy Kos, il polacco rapito
il 31 maggio a Bagdad

ROMA - Tutto merito di un "fagiolo", un bean, un microchip messo sotto la pelle e in grado di segnalare, tramite impulsi elettronici, la posizione della persona che lo porta addosso. Alla fine potrebbe essere questa la soluzione del giallo della liberazione degli ostaggi italiani. Il pezzo mancante al puzzle di spie, barbe finte, servizi segreti e mediatori, riscatti e trattative che si è affollato durante i 56 giorni di prigionia e subito dopo la liberazione. Il chip lo avrebbe avuto addosso Jerzy Kos, cittadino polacco rapito il 31 maggio a Bagdad e tenuto prigioniero, fin dal primo giugno, con i tre ostaggi italiani.

Per magistrati e investigatori l'informazione è "tutta da verificare", è "tecnicamente possibile" anche se "messa così sembra solo il plot di un romanzo di spie". Di sicuro, afferma una fonte dell'Antiterrorismo, "il blitz dell'8 giugno scorso da parte delle unità speciali americane ruota intorno al cittadino polacco". Ieri Dagospia, sito di gossip istituzionali che spesso si avvale di collaborazioni anonime ma qualificate, ha raccontato il resto della storia: Jerzy Kos "non è solo un industriale polacco ma uno 007 di Varsavia munito di un microchip sottocutaneo che ha permesso all'intelligence polacca e americana di localizzarlo fin dalle primissime ore del rapimento".

I magistrati romani Ionta, Saviotti e Amelio titolari dell'inchiesta sull'omicidio di Quattrocchi e sul sequestro rinviano all'interrogatorio di Kos già richiesto per rogatoria. Gli chiederanno anche se è un uomo dell'intelligence.
PUBBLICITA'


Dagli interrogatori di Stefio, Agliana e Cupertino sembra chiaro che negli ultimi dieci giorni di prigionia si fossero aperti due canali "distinti" per la liberazione degli ostaggi. Un "canale" può essere definito "italiano", è il primo a mettersi in moto e ad arrivare al gruppo dei sequestratori ma sarebbe stato anticipato dal secondo "canale" di trattativa, quello polacco-americano.

Il segnale di una trattativa arriva tra il 29 e il 30 maggio quando i rapitori, nella penultima prigione, girano il filmato che in Italia sarà visto la sera del 31 maggio. In quel filmato Stefio è costretto a mostrare un biglietto che gli viene consegnato dai rapitori già scritto in italiano: "Bisogna vivere sempre sognando l'impossibile. A presto".

Al Jazeera taglia questo passaggio non sapendo che è un segnale che i sequestratori mandano a un possibile mediatore. Il fatto che sia scritto in italiano, così come italiane sono le medicine che i rapitori sono in grado di procurare in breve tempo ad Agliana, "fa ipotizzare che questo sia un canale italiano".

E' la mediazione di cui parla il responsabile della Croce Rossa Maurizio Scelli? O quella di cui parla il fondatore di Emergency Gino Strada? E il contatto è quello indicato dall'intelligence italiana? Oggi Strada sarà sentito in procura e il direttore del Sismi Niccolò Pollari dal Copaco. E qualcuna di queste domande potrà avere una risposta.

Il secondo canale, invece, sembrerebbe una storia tutta polacca. Stefio lo intuisce tra l'1 e il 2 giugno. Il nuovo ostaggio polacco è con gli italiani da poche ore e, se ha il microchip sotto pelle, è già stato localizzato dalle forze della coalizione. Uno dei carcerieri, un iracheno, dice che sono in pericolo, che sono stati condannati a morte e che può dare loro una mano se ha una prova della loro esistenza in vita da portare fuori.

Il carceriere-pentito (e prezzolato) chiede a Stefio un numero di telefono riservato e scatta una foto a lui e al polacco insieme. E' il 3 giugno. Tra il 4 e il 5 vengono trasferiti di nuovo, un viaggio lungo, di notte, che probabilmente ritarda il blitz fino al pomeriggio di martedì 8.

(16 giugno 2004)

[SOG]

wait, why all the laughing, sorry i had trouble understanding, a pole hostage in iraq had a chip in him so when they bagged him they would lead good guys to bad guys? sounds pretty brave.... and crazy. i dont think i still understand exactly and why italy is covering this?

[perdurabo]

OMG!
**** i ride every day near his firm "Wrocławska Jedynka" this must be secret Polish inteligence central !! gee i'm aplying for work! rofl rofl rofl
my father just toldmy that my uncle was with Kos in Iraq in80' they where friends so MY GOD my uncle knows a Polish SUPER_DUPER_SPY!!

[cold0]

Dont' trust La Repubblica!!! rofl rofl rofl

It's the premier leftish newspaper in Italy, and they don't know nothing, of military matter, Special Ops and espionage. :fork:

As often happens in Italy, they try to discredit any official reports (expecially if it came from american goverment or US forces) with fictious, alternative "truths". In these days they have tried to show that the the hostage liberation was a fake, and that the Italian goverment has paid for the hostages liberation, even after the video given by the US force in Iraq.

Don't thust them! ;)

[perdurabo]

wait, why all the laughing, sorry i had trouble understanding, a pole hostage in iraq had a chip in him so when they bagged him they would lead good guys to bad guys? sounds pretty brave.... and crazy. i dont think i still understand exactly and why italy is covering this?
jeeeezzzz mate are you serious?
Kos is engeneer and one of directors fo "Wrocławska Jedynka" private constructing firm. They ****ed up here few contracts and their workers went on strike for 2weeks there was constant mob of ppl around them.... thats why we laugh.

[SOG]

serious no, very confused, yes, and trying to form a outline for clarification since i had trouble understanding fdt and couldnt figure out what he was talking about or laughing about.

[fdt]

If You know the story, understanding is no problem.

In April 2004, 4 Italian hostages were kidnapped in Iraq. About 3 months ago one of them was shot. About 3 weeks ago there was taken another hostage... this time it was a Polish engineer. Week later he was freed by US spec forces togehter with remaining 3 Italian hostages.

Funny story is:

Italian press believes the Polish hostage was a super spy sent to help US and Italian Spec Forces to free Italians. He was allegedly (acc. to Italian press) to have a microchip sewn under his skin to enable US intel to locate the place where Italians were held.

Clear now?

[tuckerhat]

I actually thought about this possibly the day after the rescue. It did seem "quick" and the hostage taken had a supposed military background or connections?

However.... this has the strong scent of BS if you ask me.

[Vance]

What the hell is going on?!

[tony6]

What the hell is going on?!
Just some Italian press :D

[perdurabo]

I actually thought about this possibly the day after the rescue. It did seem "quick" and the hostage taken had a supposed military background or connections?

However.... this has the strong scent of BS if you ask me.
no it was quick because other kidnaped Pole that escaped just afther kidnap was half iraqi/kurdish and his father has good connections also this company paid lots of cash to find Kos also our inteligence has way better connections in iraq than usa will ever have....(remember "operation Samum"? few american CIA spies was rescued by Polish inteligence just before op. Desert Storm)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

So my school ('budowlanka') is a secret intelligence training center! ;) Damn, I always thought that our janitor looks suspicious :D

[mack pl]

So my school ('budowlanka') is a secret intelligence training center! ;) Damn, I always thought that our janitor looks suspicious :D

:lol: you must be carefull- your teachers(spies) could place you some chip in to your ass, man :lol:

well, check your ass- you could be secret weapon in polish special service hands :lol:

p-)

[Herrmannek]

rofl

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

:lol: you must be carefull- your teachers(spies) could place you some chip in to your ass, man :lol:

well, check your ass- you could be secret weapon in polish special service hands :lol:

p-)

The are advantages of having a chip in the ass ;) I could use it as a calculator during maths tests :D

Well, maybe they don't send me to Iraq to rescue another kidnapped Italians, because I'm not so good in P.O. ;)

And I have to change my avatar to something like:
http://film.onet.pl/_i/news/male/k/kloss_2.jpg
:D

[Herrmannek]

Brzeczyszczykiewicz was beter agent :)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Brzeczyszczykiewicz was beter agent :)

Don't tell me that I'll start the 3rd world war ;) :D

[mack pl]

Brzeczyszczykiewicz was beter agent :)

Don't tell me that I'll start the 3rd world war ;) :D

Wszystkie Grzegorze to dziwne chłopaki ;)

sorry for polish ;)

[Herrmannek]

Don't call me strange I'm "swój"

[mack pl]

Don't call me strange I'm "swój"

yeah, sure ;)

czyj?
samoswój.

[Javehn]

Shtirlitz will kick your ass .
http://pisaki.narod.ru/completed/completed2001/shtirl.gif


"czyj? " -Foe ?
"Swoj" - Friendly , our own ?
"Samoswoj" - ?

[mack pl]

Shtirlitz will kick your ass .
"Samoswoj" - ?

1) Shtirlitz was pussy, our cpt.Closs could kick his ass.

2) samoswój-well, its mean something like- my own-ohh, well this word didn't exists in dictionary :roll:

3) czyj?-whose?

shalom

PS. this thread isn't lesson of polish language Javehn ;)

[Javehn]

baa... You Captain Clauss is wannabee of ****irlitz . :)
Infact , I remember readin somewhere that there was real person on whom both carecters based . I just don't remember if he was Polish or Russian (or Jew :) -there is a lot of Russian jocks on that theme ) .

[mack pl]

baa... You Captain Clauss is wannabee of ****irlitz . :)
Infact , I remember readin somewhere that there was real person on whom both carecters based . I just don't remember if he was Polish or Russian (or Jew :) -there is a lot of Russian jocks on that theme ) .

well, Shtirlitz was COPY of our Closs ;)

btw this Shtirlitz tv serial was soooo BORING man :(

cpt.Closs was Cool :) ..................and he was Pole :)

[usa320]

In theory the possibility of putting a subdermal GPS tracking device on someone and using them as bait is plausible, but i wouldnt go as far as to say thats what happened. Even if it was an intel op, we wont know.

[Javehn]

It was not boring :bash: .. Well , maybe a little :) . Still , it's a classic movie .
How come we never had your Cp. Clauss series inside the Soviet Union ? :roll:


In theory the possibility of putting a subdermal GPS tracking device on someone and using them as bait is plausible, but i wouldnt go as far as to say thats what happened. Even if it was an intel op, we wont know.

I am not shure if there is small enough GPS tracker in the world (*leave all of those Games Bond movies) . I should know , that's what I am study now .

[mack pl]

It was not boring :bash: .. Well , maybe a little :) . Still , it's a classic movie .
How come we never had your Cp. Clauss series inside the Soviet Union ? :roll:

It was boring as hell, man :cantbeli: BTW did you have James Bond serial??

PS.It was cpt.Closs, not Clauss , you Dyed Moroz :bash: ;)

shalom aleykum salami etc.

[Javehn]

I am not dyed moroz , i am Snegurochka :)


BTW did you have James Bond serial??

It was in the end of 80's ,when it's began to enter the Soviet cinema . Before that , hell no !!!!

Dosvidanya , Pozdro , Hej da , see you , etc ...

[mack pl]

I am not dyed moroz , i am Snegurochka :)


BTW did you have James Bond serial??

It was in the end of 80's ,when it's began to enter the Soviet cinema . Before that , hell no !!!!

Dosvidanya , Pozdro , Hej da , see you , etc ...

haha, ok Snegusrachka.

życze miłego dnia szanownemu panu(you remember what thats mean, I hope) :lol:

[j-23]

Someone is looking for me? ;) By the way cpt. Kloss is the right name :)

[Javehn]

Another Polish guy in here ? You can have a party now .. ;)

This doesn't ring a bell : szanownemu panu , życze .

Milego dnia I remember , nice day ...

[Herrmannek]

Btw Kloss wasn't or was shortly aired in russian tv because even fictional polish hero was to much for russian propaganda of the time...everyone knew who won WWII






























Stirlitz :)

[FB]

The chip under the skin is, as far as I understand, a possibility, and also the article posted at the beginning of this thread, quoting someone from the Italian Secret Services says the same. Technically this is a possibility.

BUT (and you won't read anything about the following in the article of that so called newspaper -La Repubblica): let's suppose I'm the Polish Super Spy (I'm Italian, but let's just suppose) and that I've been implanted one of those subdermal chips.

Now, how do I make sure that:

- Iraqui guerrillas/terrorists will kidnap me.

- The correct gerrilla/terrorist group (i.e. the same that keeps the Italians now) will be the one to eventually kidnap me

- That they will bring me into the same place where the three remaining Italian hostages are kept

- That the guerrilla/terrorist prison is not in some deep under the earth, and maybe even reinforced with thick concrete/steel, cellar/refuge/bunker (It seems there are a lot of these thing there in this Country that has lived in war condition for the last 30 years). That would, I guess, some how stop the possibility to "interrogate" my subdermal chip.

Finally I would also be grateful to the so called newspaper if they would also explain why on earth the Polish would risk me, with all evidence one of their best Secret Agents, for the life of three Italians that went in Iraq as private citizens, unofficially, without any official duty to carry on, and that aren't VIP at all at home.

Best regards

[Herrmannek]

The chip under the skin is, as far as I understand, a possibility, and also the article posted at the beginning of this thread, quoting someone from the Italian Secret Services says the same. Technically this is a possibility.

BUT (and you won't read anything about the following in the article of that so called newspaper -La Repubblica): let's suppose I'm the Polish Super Spy (I'm Italian, but let's just suppose) and that I've been implanted one of those subdermal chips.

Now, how do I make sure that:

- Iraqui guerrillas/terrorists will kidnap me.

- The correct gerrilla/terrorist group (i.e. the same that keeps the Italians now) will be the one to eventually kidnap me

- That they will bring me into the same place where the three remaining Italian hostages are kept

- That the guerrilla/terrorist prison is not in some deep under the earth, and maybe even reinforced with thick concrete/steel, cellar/refuge/bunker (It seems there are a lot of these thing there in this Country that has lived in war condition for the last 30 years). That would, I guess, some how stop the possibility to "interrogate" my subdermal chip.

Finally I would also be grateful to the so called newspaper if they would also explain why on earth the Polish would risk me, with all evidence one of their best Secret Agents, for the life of three Italians that went in Iraq as private citizens, unofficially, without any official duty to carry on, and that aren't VIP at all at home.

Best regards

I also don't believe article is true. But.

-It was very probable Poles will be kiddnaped. Other polish company let's call her XXX i don't remember name was trying to get Jedynka's contract, so they were blackmailing Jedynka and arranged some kind of aremed robbery to scare Jedynka from doing biz. in Iraq with supousdly went out of control. Now lets imagine that XXX wasn't mob company but secret agenda, with assured that on the place things went bad(XXX had contact with that group so they could plant there their man) and attackers took captives.

Then starts unknown:

-geting right hole and group is most misterious thing but if XXX's mole was good and had some links to criminal world of Iraq this could be done without suspicion witht small dose of luck.

-guy had small weak chip so he was tracked/followed constantly. Even terrorsits would put him in place too deep/or screened to recive bug's signals from there XXX had quite detailed info about were Pole was last time seen, aditionaly any major move would probably give signal again. About checking for bugs..Maybe kiddnapers were sure guy is clean :) or this bug wasn't active but triggered externaly like radiochips in some creditcards...

-Maybe Poland wanted to make deal(ie about UE constitution :) ) with Italians and this was price... And Polish inteligence likes such actions :)

[fdt]

As it is apparrent that a DAGOSPIA.COM was a primary source of this "revelation" (others just followed), everybody for himself can "verify" the "reliability" of such a "source". rofl

http://213.215.144.81/public_html/images/l/liberazioni_ostaggi_iraq_corriere.jpg

http://213.215.144.81/public_html/articolo_index_12812.html

UNO SPIONE POLACCO E TRE OSTAGGI ITALIANI
LA VERITA’ SULLA LIBERAZIONE DI AGLIANA, CUPERTINO E STEFIO
JERZI KOS È SÌ UN ”IMPRENDITORE” MA DEI SERVIZI SEGRETI POLACCHI PER QUESTO MOTIVO JERZI KOS DOVEVA ESSERE ASSOLUTAMENTE SALVATO

Chi è Jerzi Kos e perché nessuno parla di lui? Per arrivare al bandolo della intricatissima matassa che avvolge la liberazione dei tre ostaggi italiani occorre infatti puntare l’attenzione sul compagno di prigionia di Agliana, Cupertino e Stefio. Jerzi Kos è stato liquidato sbrigativamente dalla stampa come “imprenditore polacco” impegnato a Bagdad per affari legati alla ricostruzione dell’Iraq.

Un identikit scarno, da carta di identità, quasi omertoso. Ma ora se ne comprende il perché. Jerzi Kos è sì un ”imprenditore” ma di intelligence. Uno spione di primo piano così “interessante” da spingere i servizi segreti polacchi a rintracciarlo nel giro di 48 ore.

Intanto, l’intelligence polacca vanta una “influenza” ramificata nel Medio Oriente, al punto che il capo dei servizi ricevette un’onorificenza da Bush per il lavoro svolto. Varsavia è stata ed è un crocevia di spie: dagli ex-KGB all’addestramento degli stessi iracheni in epoca saddamita. Una connection che è risultata nevralgica per le forze armate americane, impegnate su un terreno sconosciuto e impenetrabile.

Kos è dunque un falso “imprenditore polacco” che viene rapito da una banda di iracheni che non immaginano nient’altro che un riscatto in dollari. Non hanno nemmeno i mezzi o l’idea di sottoporre Kos a una radiografia ai raggi X. Sufficiente per scoprire che nell’avanbraccio di Kos c’è incapsulato un cosiddetto “bean” – cioè un “pisellino” (un micro-chip), vale a dire un segnalatore sottocutaneo (si usa metterlo anche ai cani) che invia un raggio codificato. In caso di scomparsa, un aereo da ricognizione provvede a localizzarlo.

Ed è esattamente quello che è successo all’”imprenditore polacco”. Una volta individuata, tramite il “bean”, la prigione dove era ammanettato Kos, è iniziata la seconda fase. Agenti armati di microfoni direzionali hanno captato l’indirizzo del covo – che è risultato, come ha raccontato lo stesso Kos, una sorta di “deposito di ostaggi” gestiti da diverse bande irachene.

E qui arriva la sorpresa. Cercando lo spione polacco gli agenti si sono imbattuti sulle tracce sonore degli italiani rapiti. A quel punto è intervenuta la nostra intelligence che ha lavorato gomito a gomito con i polacchi e gli americani. Il blitz è stato fatto unicamente dalle teste di cuoio Usa. I polacchi sono rimasti in zona affiancati da tre ufficiali del Sismi.

Dunque Agliana, Cupertino e Stefio non sono stati ammazzati (come era previsto prima del voto europeo) solo grazie alla presenza nella prigione dello spione polacco con segnalatore sottocutaneo.

Post Scriptum. In questa fase – checché ne dica Gino Strada - non è stato pagato nessun riscatto. A molti resta il dubbio se sia stato pagato qualcosa (5 milioni di dollari) nelle prima settimane di prigionia quando si intrecciarono i *******i tra Sismi e il comitato degli Ulema (che poi hanno chiuso ogni contatto).


Dagospia 15 Giugno 2004