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Sana Saudagar
12-16-2008, 07:29 AM
Pakistani scientists offered bin Laden N-weapons before 9/11

Sun, Dec 14 05:56 PM

Barely a month before the 9/11 terror attacks, two Pakistani nuclear scientists, said to be close to disgraced Abdul Qadeer Khan, met up with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and offered to supply him with atomic weapons, according to a newly released book.

Chaudiri Abdul Majeed and Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, who held a series of senior posts in Pakistani nuke programme, went to Taliban headquarters in Kandahar in mid-August 2001 and spent three days with bin Laden who was keen on acquiring weapons of mass destruction, the book says.

In fact, Mahmood was said to be more close to Khan, the 'Father of the Islamic bomb' and the mastermind behind a vast clandestine enterprise which sold nuclear secrets to rogue states like Iran, North Korea and Libya. He also set up the pilot plant for Pakistan's uranium-enrichment programme.

However, the so-called deal did not materialise as the meeting between the Pakistani nuclear scientists and bin Laden ended inconclusively when the al-Qaeda leader, along with some of his senior associates, had abruptly left for the mountains of northwestern Afghanistan.

And, according to the book, 'The Man From Pakistan' -- the true story of the world's most dangerous nuclear smuggler AQ Khan -- before leaving, bin Laden had told his followers that "something great was going to happen, and Muslims around the world were going to join them in the holy war". A couple of weeks later, the twin towers in New York were brought down.

The 414-page book is authored by two investigative journalists -- Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins.

What's more revealing is that a year before they met bin Laden in Kandahar, the two Pakistani nuke scientists had set up a non-profit organisation, Ummah Tameer-e-Nau, to carry out relief work in Afghanistan, including advising the Taliban on scientific matters.

And, on the board of the organisation were several Pakistani Army generals sympathetic to the Taliban cause, and it was one of the few non-government groups that the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, had allowed to operate in Afghanistan, the book says.

"(But) not long after opening their office in a house in Kabul, the scientists met with Mullah Omar and bin Laden, and the conversation had shifted from relief work to weapons development. At one point, during his visits to Afghanistan, Mahmood provided Osama bin Laden's associates in Kabul with information about the construction of a nuclear weapon," the authors write.

However, post-9/11 attacks that shook the US, as part of his crackdown on terror groups operating in Pakistan, the then Chief Executive General Pervez Musharraf forced Mahmood to opt for an early retirement as "he had expressed sympathies for the Taliban and other Islamic extremists".

In fact, in his writings and speeches, Mahmood had advocated sharing Pakistan's nuclear weapons technology with other Islamic nations to hasten the "end of days", which he believed would give rise to Muslim dominance in the world, according to the book which the 'Los Angeles Times' says is a "richly reported" one.

Not only Mahmood, former Pakistani President Musharraf had subsequently forced AQ Khan into taking retirement though he was a bit worried over a possible domestic backlash as the nuclear scientist was considered a "hero" in Pakistan. So, he had offered him not only a graceful exit but also a ceremonial position as an advisor to him, post retirement.

"Musharraf didn't want a domestic backlash, and he didn't want to belittle Khan. But Musharraf was determined to get Pakistan back into the international community, and he could not tolerate Khan's behaviour. Nuclear deterrence was in place, the delivery system was in place. Now it's time to stop this dirty business," a former General close to the former Pakistani leader was quoted by the book as saying.

Musharraf was forced to act against Khan and his close associates to appease the US after the 9/11 attacks, which had accused the disgraced scientist of smuggling nuclear materials into rogue nations.

In fact, on one occasion, America had even threatened to bomb Pakistan back to the Stone Age unless it cooperated in going after the "nuclear smugglers" and the al-Qaeda hiding in Pakistan, which was, however, denied by US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage later, according to the book.

Khan, who had subsequently admitted to passing on nuke secrets to other countries, was given a presidential pardon by Musharraf, though he was placed under house arrest.

However, according to the book, Khan's loose-knit organisation was and still may be a nuclear Wal-Mart, selling weapons blueprints, parts, and the expertise to assemble the works into a do-it-yourself bomb kit.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20081214/1248/twl-pak-scientists-offered-bin-laden-n-w.html

AL-Khalid
12-16-2008, 09:03 AM
indians sources are always unreliable.

Aryan_Singh
12-16-2008, 10:14 AM
indians sources are always unreliable.

The Father of Pakistan A.Q. Khan turned out to be a Nuclear Trader.
Links not Indian http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2006/Jul/albrightJul06.asp

Sana Saudagar
12-16-2008, 10:41 AM
Pakistani scientists offered bin Laden N-weapons before 9/11

Barely a month before the 9/11 terror attacks, two Pakistani nuclear scientists, said to be close to disgraced Abdul Qadeer Khan, met up with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and offered to supply him with atomic weapons, according to a newly released book.


. the book, 'The Man From Pakistan' -- the true story of the world's most dangerous nuclear smuggler AQ Khan -- before leaving, bin Laden had told his followers that "something great was going to happen, and Muslims around the world were going to join them in the holy war". A couple of weeks later, the twin towers in New York were brought down.

The 414-page book is authored by two investigative journalists -- Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins.http://www.amazon.com/Man-Pakistan-Dangerous-Nuclear-Smuggler/dp/0446199583

The Man from Pakistan: The True Story of the World's Most Dangerous Nuclear Smuggler (Paperback)
by Douglas Frantz (Author), Catherine Collins (Author)
List Price: $14.99

PeterG
12-16-2008, 10:52 AM
Chilling to think about: I wonder when the first terrorist attack with a nuclear device hits a major western city - and which city it will be.. What will happen when terrorists finally have nuclear weapons?

Ghorkhali
12-16-2008, 11:05 AM
indians sources are always unreliable.

And we think AQ Khan with his gang is most unreliable person in South Asia p-)

kvk1
12-16-2008, 12:48 PM
Not in the least bit surprising really. Pakistan, for the lack of a better word, is a giant cluster ****.

Ghost Wars by Steve Coll is a great book that show just how confused and messed up this nation is politically and ideologically; focusing on 70s in Afghanistan to the build-up Al Qaeda and UBL.

2Sheds_Jackson
12-16-2008, 05:27 PM
These guys offering Bin Laden a nuclear weapon is like me offering him the Brooklyn Bridge. There's a huge difference between selling plans, selling materials, or components, and selling a functioning weapon on the back of a truck. There's no way in hell they had the capability to just throw a nuke in the back of the ol' Hi-Lux and bring it over the mountain. Bin Laden is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

Aryan_Singh
12-17-2008, 08:02 AM
These guys offering Bin Laden a nuclear weapon is like me offering him the Brooklyn Bridge. There's a huge difference between selling plans, selling materials, or components, and selling a functioning weapon on the back of a truck. There's no way in hell they had the capability to just throw a nuke in the back of the ol' Hi-Lux and bring it over the mountain. Bin Laden is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

So. A.Q.Khan did nothing wrong then?

Holycrusader
12-17-2008, 08:17 AM
These guys offering Bin Laden a nuclear weapon is like me offering him the Brooklyn Bridge. There's a huge difference between selling plans, selling materials, or components, and selling a functioning weapon on the back of a truck. There's no way in hell they had the capability to just throw a nuke in the back of the ol' Hi-Lux and bring it over the mountain. Bin Laden is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


Do I hear a voice of reason here?

3rdMillhouse
12-17-2008, 08:26 AM
These guys offering Bin Laden a nuclear weapon is like me offering him the Brooklyn Bridge. There's a huge difference between selling plans, selling materials, or components, and selling a functioning weapon on the back of a truck. There's no way in hell they had the capability to just throw a nuke in the back of the ol' Hi-Lux and bring it over the mountain. Bin Laden is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


All he needs to is get his hands on radioactive material.

Connaught Ranger
12-17-2008, 09:39 AM
All he needs to is get his hands on radioactive material.

No! he needs to get his hands on the right type of radioactive material,

then he needs to refine it, and get somebody to assemble it into a weapon.

Not as easy as fabricating an I.E.D. or getting some chump to be a suicide

bomber or to fly a plane into a building.

Connaught Ranger.

Infanteer Two Seven
12-17-2008, 11:44 AM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/MikeWalker123/nuclear_suitcase_bomb_nuke.gif
No! he needs to get his hands on the right type of radioactive material,

then he needs to refine it, and get somebody to assemble it into a weapon.

Not as easy as fabricating an I.E.D. or getting some chump to be a suicide

bomber or to fly a plane into a building.

Connaught Ranger.

suitcase nuke ?

http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20071111/3794382756_Tale_of_the_Suitcase_Nukex.jpg

Connaught Ranger
12-17-2008, 12:10 PM
Is there any evidence that Pakistan has the capability to provide the components to construct one?

I think, if so it would be used as a terrorist weapon against India first.

3rdMillhouse
12-17-2008, 12:40 PM
No! he needs to get his hands on the right type of radioactive material,

then he needs to refine it, and get somebody to assemble it into a weapon.

Not as easy as fabricating an I.E.D. or getting some chump to be a suicide

bomber or to fly a plane into a building.

Connaught Ranger.

Terrorists already can do a lot of damage with just radioactive waste or material. Not as much damage as one could do with a nuclear bomb, but quite a ****ing lot... like, enough to freak out the whole free world.

AL-Khalid
12-17-2008, 01:25 PM
Everyone think whatever he wants to and then make a news of it.

LordKitchener
12-17-2008, 07:22 PM
I think, if so it would be used as a terrorist weapon against India first.

If AQ got their hands on a nuclear device, I would be surprised if they chose India over a Western target.


Terrorists already can do a lot of damage with just radioactive waste or material. Not as much damage as one could do with a nuclear bomb, but quite a ****ing lot... like, enough to freak out the whole free world.

Would the nuclear fallout of a dirty bomb be sufficient to render the target area uninhabitable? Can you imagine central London or New York turned into no-go areas? Scary stuff....

Dmitriev
12-17-2008, 08:38 PM
I wonder though, if he had a bomb, how would he manage to detonate it on a western city?

Connaught Ranger
12-18-2008, 06:30 AM
If AQ got their hands on a nuclear device, I would be surprised if they chose India over a Western target.

Would the nuclear fallout of a dirty bomb be sufficient to render the target area uninhabitable? Can you imagine central London or New York turned into no-go areas? Scary stuff....


I was surmising that such a device would possibly be tested in India by terrorists before it would be offered to A.Q.:)

dirty bombs would have a limited area coverage in my opinion depending on the location of the detonation.

eugenlitwin
12-18-2008, 07:22 AM
I wonder though, if he had a bomb, how would he manage to detonate it on a western city?

or in Russia