Lugovoy: Anyone harming Russia should be exterminated

[lightfire]

Anyone harming Russia should be exterminated, says Andrei Lugovoy


http://www.balsas.lt/12/16/lugovoi_px600.jpg


The Kremlin has hardened its stance against dissent in Russia by expanding the definition of treason to include critics of the state.

A new Bill submitted to the Duma, the Russian parliament, on Friday will leave people vulnerable to prosecution for acts considered to threaten not only national security but also the country's constitutional order. Critics said that it was designed to intimidate opposition to the Kremlin at a time of rising economic discontent.

Details of the Bill emerged as the man accused by Britain of murdering Alexander Litvinenko, the dissident former spy, said that anyone harming the Russian State should be killed. Andrei Lugovoy, who is now a member of the Duma, said that he would order the assassination of anyone considered a traitor if he were in the Russian President's shoes.

“If someone has caused the Russian state serious damage, they should be exterminated,” Mr Lugovoy, a former KGB officer, told the Spanish newspaper El País. “Do I think someone could have killed Litvinenko in the interests of the Russian State? If you're talking about the interests of the Russian State, in the purest sense of the word, I myself would have given that order.

“I'm not talking about Litvinenko but about any person who causes serious damage.”

Mr Litvinenko, a fierce critic of the former President Vladimir Putin, died in exile in London in November 2006 after being poisoned with radioactive polonium-210. Mr Lugovoy denies killing him.

The Bill defines treason as “a deed aimed against security of the Russian Federation, including her constitutional order, sovereignty, territorial and state integrity”. The present law restricts prosecutions to “acts aimed at damaging external security”.

The measure also threatens to revive the Soviet-era habit of placing under suspicion anyone who has contact with foreigners. It gives warning that people could be guilty of treason for “rendering financial or material and technical or consultative support to ... a foreign organisation”.

The amendment raises the spectre of people falling under suspicion for giving interviews critical of the Kremlin to foreign journalists.

The definition of foreign bodies is also being expanded to include international organisations, which the note said had sought repeatedly to obtain Russia's secrets through illegal methods.

A note to the Bill said that it would ease investigations by the Federal Security Service, the successor to the KGB. The Russian newspaper Kommersant headlined its report on the proposals as “Betrayal of the Motherland - the business of everyone”.

Mr Putin attacked foreign organisations when he was President, suggesting that many were fronts for Western governments to promote unrest. He imposed heavy reporting rules on non-governmental organisations, requiring them to obtain official approval of annual plans of work.

Boris Nadezhdin, a law lecturer at Moscow university and a senior official with Right Cause, a new Kremlin-approved liberal party, said that the latest reform was an “act of intimidation” drawn from the Stalin era. The authorities would be able to use the powers to suppress opposition activity.

Gennadi Gudkov, the deputy head of the Duma security committee, denied that the Kremlin could accuse anyone of treason, explaining that “not everyone has access to state secrets”.

Mr Putin's United Russia party holds two thirds of seats in the Duma so the Bill is certain to become law. The amendments were presented on the same day that the Duma restored the Soviet practice of allowing judges to decide cases against people accused of violent crimes and civil disturbances.

Police arrested 90 demonstrators in Moscow and 60 in St Petersburg on Sunday for staging anti-Kremlin protests. Garry Kasparov, the chess champion and critic of Mr Putin, and Boris Nemtsov, a former Deputy Prime Minister, founded a movement to try to unite democratic opposition to the regime.

President Medvedev ordered police chiefs last month to take harsher measures against social unrest and bring charges, saying: “Otherwise there won't be any order.”

Russian authorities fear that the economic crisis could spark protests as unemployment rises and incomes fall. There are expectations that the rouble will be devalued by as much as 25 per cent in the new year.

Times, El Pais

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[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well Luguvoy would know all about that ;)

I wonder if he's still glowing in the dark :roll:

[Atlantic Friend]

The measure also threatens to revive the Soviet-era habit of placing under suspicion anyone who has contact with foreigners. It gives warning that people could be guilty of treason for “rendering financial or material and technical or consultative support to ... a foreign organisation”.

Let's execute whoever attends the G-8 summit, works in one of the numerous UN programs, is a current Russian ambassador, works as a technical expert for a non-Russian organization, teaches outside of Russia, and oh well, all Russian expats to stay on the safe side.

[Hogan]

And the Pouting Putin power play continues.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

It's quite funny really Luguvoy might be putting himself in the frame here ;-)

After all it's a matter of public record that he met with Alexander Litvinenko in London. If he didn't murder Litvinenko (which he says he didn't) then he was by his own admission consorting with an alleged traitor to Russia.

So when's he going to get a 7.62 in the back of the head in the cellars of the Lubyanka then? :)

[Cornerstone]

The Russian roof is leaking communist ambitions... industry takeovers, one party rule, termination of individual rights, I have a feeling Putin doesn't have to pout about the Soviet collapse for much longer...

[plato]

I completely agree with Mr. Lugovoy, and hoping that he will honor his words by committing suicide.

[GazB]

slow news day I guess.

[gazell]

Any Chapter about foreign forum users? Gaz's gone very shy on this.p-)

[GazB]

Anybody threatening Israel should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening democracy should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening (insert religion here) should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening 'merica should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening extermination should be exterminated... oops.

Anybody thinking that a Russian speaking Duma making laws in Russian cannot be made to look aggressive simply by mistranslating the actual wording when repeating it in English by devious reporters on a slow news day should be exterminated.

Everyone wants laws that will help them deal with threats. Some of the worst are being enacted under the guise of the war on terrorism. Perhaps this story is part of the "it is bad here but it is much worse in Russia" campaign. Still waiting for someone to post the new law in Latvia that bans all foreign language from the work place that is intent on stopping people speaking Russian but can also be applied to any other language except Latvian including Frence and German and English.

[KoTeMoRe]

Anybody threatening Israel should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening democracy should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening (insert religion here) should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening 'merica should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening extermination should be exterminated... oops.

Anybody thinking that a Russian speaking Duma making laws in Russian cannot be made to look aggressive simply by mistranslating the actual wording when repeating it in English by devious reporters on a slow news day should be exterminated.

Everyone wants laws that will help them deal with threats. Some of the worst are being enacted under the guise of the war on terrorism. Perhaps this story is part of the "it is bad here but it is much worse in Russia" campaign. Still waiting for someone to post the new law in Latvia that bans all foreign language from the work place that is intent on stopping people speaking Russian but can also be applied to any other language except Latvian including Frence and German and English.

Meh, why would you want to post about Latvia...they're in NATO, all Peace and Love!

[LineDoggie]

Still waiting for someone to post the new law in Latvia that bans all foreign language from the work place that is intent on stopping people speaking Russian but can also be applied to any other language except Latvian including Frence and German and English.


I'm wondering, Will the Transgressors in Latvia who speak a Foreign Language be executed? Because from this source, the Russian Government could execute a wide variety of persons under this laws guise, no?

If the source is wrong, Correct it with your sources....

By the way if you feel so strongly about the Latvian law, why dont YOU start the thread, since it seems your the one who knows so much about it?

[Ordie]

This Lugovoy dude sounds like Francis in the movie "Stripes".

Scratch a Russian, and you'll find a Tatar.

[BlackFlag]

Anybody threatening Israel should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening democracy should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening (insert religion here) should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening 'merica should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening extermination should be exterminated... oops.

Anybody thinking that a Russian speaking Duma making laws in Russian cannot be made to look aggressive simply by mistranslating the actual wording when repeating it in English by devious reporters on a slow news day should be exterminated.

Everyone wants laws that will help them deal with threats. Some of the worst are being enacted under the guise of the war on terrorism. Perhaps this story is part of the "it is bad here but it is much worse in Russia" campaign. Still waiting for someone to post the new law in Latvia that bans all foreign language from the work place that is intent on stopping people speaking Russian but can also be applied to any other language except Latvian including Frence and German and English.

Well said.

[Dmitriev]

If you look it from another point... I actually support him. Instead of talking BS about how he will fight for freedom, not becuase he wants, but he is forced to, he just says everything clear and loud, like Kruschev's "..We will bury you!"

[Mr.K]

Russian authorities fear that the economic crisis could spark protests as unemployment rises and incomes fall. There are expectations that the rouble will be devalued by as much as 25 per cent in the new year.Key point here.

And guess what the chief of IMF is worried about the same thing.
http://www.*******.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE4BE2LX20081215


"A lot remains to be done and if this work is not done it will be difficult to avoid a long lasting crisis that everyone wants to avoid," he said during a conference on IMF-Spanish relations.
He saw violent protests spreading unless the financial system was reorganized to benefit everyone, and not just a small elite.
"If we are not able to do that, then social unrest may happen in many places, including advanced economies," he added.


Of course being a Russian politician Lugovoy was not too shy on words.

[GazB]

Meh, why would you want to post about Latvia...they're in NATO, all Peace and Love!

Membership of the EU and NATO seems to be the only defence from claims of not respecting civil rights it seems. :roll:


Andrei Lugovoy, who is now a member of the Duma, said that he would order the assassination of anyone considered a traitor if he were in the Russian President's shoes.

But Medvedev is in the Presidents shoes.


“I'm not talking about Litvinenko but about any person who causes serious damage.”


Because from this source, the Russian Government could execute a wide variety of persons under this laws guise, no?

No. From this source it is a bill that has been submitted and the variety of people that should be worried about it are those that intend to or have done serious harm to Russian national security or threatens constitutional order.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

ah...good to see that kremlin is still full of nice people...a former kgb agents.



The measure also threatens to revive the Soviet-era habit of placing under suspicion anyone who has contact with foreigners. It gives warning that people could be guilty of treason for “rendering financial or material and technical or consultative support to ... a foreign organisation” (“Betrayal of the Motherland")

kinda totalitarian feeling huh?
I real glad that I can relatively freely live in developing but democratic country.

[Flamming_Python]

ah...good to see that kremlin is still full of nice people...a former kgb agents.




kinda totalitarian feeling huh?
I real glad that I can relatively freely live in developing but democratic country.

I severely doubt this bull**** would be allowed to pass. First I heard of it. Which Russian nowadays hasn't got contact with foreigners? Seriously, I can't think of a single Russian who hasn't got contact to at least 1 foreigner.

Lugovoy is a joke.

[Red_Rage]

Two thirds of Russians use Internet and third of the country are regular users. How can we even seriously talk about any government control over citizen's contacts with statistics like that? Internet has been avaliable in Russia for almoast 20 years now, and widely spread for the last 10. Totalitarian systems and Internet simply don't work together (IMHO Internet is the ultimate indicator of the level of freedom and exchange of information in any given country).

Lugovoy is another clown similar to Zhirinovsky. "Crazy ex-KGB strong man" is an image created by some PR outfit (same as it was done with Zhirinovsky, who is not so crazy in private life).

[davey]

Lugovoy looks like a joke, but has anybody checked the sources? Did he actually say that, or was he deliberately mistranslated or misquoted?

On important issues I usually try to check Western sources, because you cannot automatically take everything they write about Russia as the truth.

Unfortunately alternative sources are not always available.

[RSCH12]

ZOMG! A guy from LDPR said smth radical QUICK ALERT THE NEWS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3RFd7oOr_4

[davey]

Please translate for us, else the BBC or CNN will do it, and it will get a new meaning worse than the original. LDPR will be portrayed as either a supporter of Putin or a party with massive support.

[RSCH12]

Please translate for us, else the BBC or CNN will do it, and it will get a new meaning worse than the original. LDPR will be portrayed as either a supporter of Putin

http://blogs.inosmi.ru/users/2598214/post77998265/

Famous bayan.

No need to joke with the damn war. Here the other guys. This is not Germany, this is not Afghanistan. George! Your soldiers here porvut apart. You picked 250 thousand Iraqi soldiers whore. They all raznesut damn, they all desert will be one hour. They explode all your destroyers, all of your journalists, diplomats.

George, you cowboy, you stop damn, you konchay you cartridges hide away in the warehouse and forget about your dad! We had an asshole, avenge his brother damn, and the collapse of the great Russian Empire. Another oddity damn for his grandfather avenged, and the collapse of the Soviet Union. And you repeat the same mistake. You forget dad, your dad completed his whore. You think about the future of America, it kills! Your young people running from your country! There is no one wants to live in America! No! You have a rag damn! U.S.! U.S.! U.S.! This dirty green paper whore!

Not a damn soul! Music no you, you do not have writers. The whole world listens to Tchaikovsky, Dostoevsky damn. Festivals, sports - only Russia damn. And Russia is - Iraq. Here they like the president, but damn you despise, despise.

Your predecessor damn (zhestikuliruet) Clinton damn - he sprained fly directly to the office! This is already needed ohuet damn, that is a damn prostitute in the office of head of state he draw off! It is that America for you? Pizdets have long damn. You do that damn? Monica whore. What nahuy president? What kind of war, a Middle East whore? Minetchiki devil's whore! Onanisty, pidarasy damn!

George ... George, take a look at western movies. Look how many dead, how much blood whore. And they killed and killed here. You are here, I say to you here, look how damn sky - Baghdad! Baghdad - this is not Berlin. This is not Kabul. You never are not dostignesh victory. Because we know that people, we know this president, he had one in the whole world sends to you ****! One! All other whore fawn in front of you, stood in line to your bow.

And he is one sits here, eleven years old. Eleven years you resist, but you with his powerful Khrenova economy, with its army of one million units, with their fleets damn, rockets - not **** you can not do.

You bomb the country every day. You kill children, and Iraqi soldiers are sitting ready for battle. You are afraid to send their soldiers here. And you are afraid of eleven years ago, your father, too afraid. A JAblochko of apple trees near falls, you will never win! This will be your last defeat!

Napoleon lost Waterloo, Berlin and Hitler lost the battle. You lose Baghdad. Baghdad - your tomb! Got it? Ty, George, srany cowboy damn, you are in Tehas back to the ranch, at obezzhay their jeep Empty land and take Spanish.

And New York has already said in English. We will send to America even ten million Russians, and America will elect its president. (Laughter overs) And you, George, a good camera in Butyrke, you understand? (Applause overs)

George (defect records) ... by, and you never are not able to achieve victory. All Arab world, all Muslims the world, all of Eastern Europe, Moscow against you. Moscow does not want this war, and you our president is clearly in English said: do not dare shoot at Baghdad! Better together ****ing on Tbilisi (laughter over, applause), Baku and other cities.

We find purpose on this earth. So much land whore. Want to leave Australia at **** deleting damn, to the bottom of the ocean? Come on! Show you our missiles damn? You want to damn? We have the weapons whore. At night, our scientists (zhestikuliruet) slightly change the gravitational field of Earth, and your whole country will be under water. Twenty-four-hour whore, and your whole country will be under water! Atlantic, Pacific! Are you kidding whom damn? Do you think damn! You knew what had finished Bonaparte? What finished Hitler? All other?

You have committed a historic error, your dad will not thank you. Forget it, your dad. (Zhestikuliruet) Your generals tell you: do not go to war! It is not too late yet June 21, forty years!

Continued on other recordings clipped

If tomorrow you will send its planes to Baghdad - your own tomb, thou sdohnesh in this war. We will not bury you, because you have to hit across the country, for all humanity. Six billion people do not want this war, six. Six billion! You, low, you can read? (Zagibaet fingers) One, two, three, four, five, six. Billion. The entire planet is against you.

You want a war and this damn Condoleezza Rice. (Laughter overs) Black whore, which needs a damn gelding (applause). We have to come here - we have in Taman Division damn damn rest of the guys. Calm down. Settle in barracks for the night. And she would not want war, damn. It zahlebnetsya Russian sperme damn. Of the ears popret. This is not Monica Lewinsky - she once otsosala damn, and here it all otsosut nahuy that she was on all fours upolzet in the American Embassy in Moscow.

George, stop. Combat, batyanya! Dara couples memory parara pair Pa Pa. George, let's casino in Las Vegas, and all ends. In Baghdad, everything calmly. (Applause, the light goes out)

Note. The above video yutyuba is complete, decoding performed on it.
[Edit]
Opinion Zhirinovsky

Interviews radio «Echo of Moscow» of 06.11.2006 (fragment)

A. PLYUSCHEV: I remember before the Iraq war in 2003, the film went on the Internet, even in the State Duma was hearing.

V. Zhirinovsky: Yes.

A. PLYUSCHEV: Where people are like you said about Bush, about a dirty green paper, remember this, yes?

V. Zhirinovsky: Yes.

A. PLYUSCHEV: About what better together dolbanut in Tbilisi, and so on. You have it or you do not tell me.

V. Zhirinovsky: This is my take from all my speeches, they took my words, a sense was what I was there at the last, 8 th international conference in support of Iraq. Delivered there anything that does not show. And when pick up my words when I just talked with the Iraqis, he explained how to advocate, because my first maiden career - spetspropaganda, I am ready to do so. I explained to them how to place anti-American propaganda in Iraq.

This narifmovali, assembled and mounted somewhere without my permission show. You show me officially, I arrived in Baghdad to attend eight conferences, I went there once or twice a year, eight conferences, the whole world is going in Iraq. This does not show. And somewhere in there to make up different materials, they said, here said, and this piece somewhere, so to speak, exposed. I am against this, I have these personnel are not allowed any form, nor do. A phrase such I have heard.



Actually he predicted Katrina, 888-war, financial crysis - not bad for a clown.

[Flamming_Python]

Actually he predicted Katrina, 888-war, financial crysis - not bad for a clown.

Not to mention length of Iraq war, bombing of Tbilisi...

[gazell]

Anybody threatening Israel should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening democracy should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening (insert religion here) should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening 'merica should be exterminated...
Anybody threatening extermination should be exterminated... oops.

Anybody thinking that a Russian speaking Duma making laws in Russian cannot be made to look aggressive simply by mistranslating the actual wording when repeating it in English by devious reporters on a slow news day should be exterminated.

Everyone wants laws that will help them deal with threats. Some of the worst are being enacted under the guise of the war on terrorism. Perhaps this story is part of the "it is bad here but it is much worse in Russia" campaign. Still waiting for someone to post the new law in Latvia that bans all foreign language from the work place that is intent on stopping people speaking Russian but can also be applied to any other language except Latvian including Frence and German and English.

I know, I was only teasing.:hug:

Everybody's doing it, it's just a bit like a squirrel is a rat with a good PR.

On that note, the media choosing him to elaborate well has an agenda and the picture is well chosen, too.:)

[KZ_Finland]

ZOMG! A guy from LDPR said smth radical QUICK ALERT THE NEWS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3RFd7oOr_4

Here's a translated version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88

Edit: Oh shi-. Sorry if i bumped the old thread. I opened the link from the newer one and sort of forgot that i was reading an older one :/

[Lazy Lob]

Well Luguvoy would know all about that ;)

I wonder if he's still glowing in the dark :roll:

At least he'll be keeping himself warm this winter.