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J-10
06-17-2004, 08:05 PM
Lockheed Martin Details F-35 Fighter Delay

June 17, 2004 — WASHINGTON (*******) - Lockheed Martin Corp. plans to delay the first flight of its F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the biggest U.S. warplane program and a model of international cooperation, to August 2006 from the fall of 2005, the company said on Thursday.

Fleshing out details of the previously reported delay, Lockheed said the first flight, by a conventional takeoff and landing model, would benefit from design refinements being made on the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft.

"A slip in the JSF program is not news," said Thomas Jurkowsky, a spokesman in Bethesda, Maryland. The STOVL version, the one most overweight, is expected to fly in 2007, he said.

"We've established our own target weights and we're not where we want to be," said John Kent, a company spokesman in Fort Worth, Texas, where final F-35 assembly is to take place.

The Pentagon's Defense Acquisition Board, a top-level panel convened to weigh major weapons purchases, met Thursday to consider the program's "replan strategy," said Cheryl Irwin, a Defense Department spokeswoman.

No details of any decisions by the Defense Acquisitions Board were made available.

Lockheed's biggest partners in the program are Northrop Grumman Corp. and BAE Systems Plc.

Kent said F-35 low-rate initial production, originally scheduled for 2006, would be delayed to 2007 under the revised plan.

Eight other countries have pledged to invest more than $4.5 billion in the F-35's development phase, which would be extended one year to 2013, he said.

The project involves three models of the aircraft for the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps, and the British Royal Navy, with 80 percent common parts.

As currently planned, the United States would spend an estimated $245 billion to develop and buy about 2,400 F-35s and support equipment by 2027. In addition, international sales of 2,000 to 3,500 aircraft have been projected.

From (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/*******20040617_453.html)

Midav
06-17-2004, 08:51 PM
Happenes.

Will take time to mature and get the kinks worked out.

Uncle Chô
06-17-2004, 09:02 PM
Happenes. Will take time to mature and get the kinks worked out.
p-) Like the RAH-66 Commanche...

Kilgor
06-17-2004, 09:40 PM
you wish....

the F-35 will enter production, if a little late like most fighters. But it certainly wont end up like the disaster of the eurofighter.

The sky isnt falling little chickens.

Pooga
06-17-2004, 09:42 PM
I don't see the biggy with the JSF. Easier to maintain and upgrade if all the services have one workhorse fighter?

And only the Marines have the STOL version, eh?

Will it replace the A-10, or not? I don't see how it could, unless you could fit an Avenger on it. p-)

Midav
06-17-2004, 11:20 PM
Happenes. Will take time to mature and get the kinks worked out.
p-) Like the RAH-66 Commanche...

What do you mean by Like the RAH-66 Commanche...?

SOG
06-18-2004, 01:30 AM
the commanche project was **** canned in favor of the army needing to divert funds and not really needing the commanche in the 1st place.

Midav
06-18-2004, 03:08 AM
the commanche project was **** canned in favor of the army needing to divert funds and not really needing the commanche in the 1st place.

That's what I thought....

Edit: NM

oldsoak
06-18-2004, 05:44 AM
you wish....

the F-35 will enter production, if a little late like most fighters. But it certainly wont end up like the disaster of the eurofighter.

The sky isnt falling little chickens.

Eurofighter a disaster ? News to me. Lets not get into a pissing contrest please.

Uncle Chô
06-18-2004, 08:21 AM
What do you mean by Like the RAH-66 Commanche...?
The RAH-66 program started its life in the end of the Cold War period as a light recon, stealth helicopter. Then it evolved into armed recon with the Hellfire fire capabilities (leading to the developement of the internal bay) then more avionics then more engines power to end up badly overweighted. They did not succeed to save weight and it turned into a technical and financial nightmare. At the time, the Army realized that modern conflicts like Iraq did not need such a super complex stealth airframe and they decided to cancel the program to save money to modernized the National Guard helos fleet for example...

Think of the aircrafts you currently see over Iraq :

- CH-47

- CH-53

- OH-58

- UH-1

- AH-1

- UH- 60

- AH-64

Except the Blackhawk / Apache family most of those helos entered into service in the mid-60s and are still very capable machines for what they are needed.

I suspect -at my very small level- the F-35 to follow the same bad lead : building something overcomplicated for the future battlefield needs. What about the F-18E/F? The F-15E? The future BF-22 (hypothetical but under heavy examinations)? I am pretty sure they will stil fly in the next 20 years.

The area where the results are the more impressive is the accuracy of the weapons (various missiles / smart bombs). The B-52s fleet is going to be extended with new engines, a new cockpit and the latest in avionic and communication hardware / software to be able to reprogram in flight the missiles / smart bombs load. Stand off weapons + pinpoint accuracy does not need for costly state of the art launch plateforms.

BTW the A-10 / OV-10 fleet will go through a major upgrade program. Who would have think 12 years ago -when the USAF planned to retire the Hog- this is still THE CAS aircraft of the 21st Century ?