Main Cause of World War 1. What do YOU think?

[Steelersfan413]

I just want to know what you all think. I'm reading about this in History right now and wanted others' takes on this.

Do you think the main cause of World War One was Imperialism, (setting up empires in foreign nations), Nationalism, (the eventual assassination of Archduke Franz Fedinand and fighting for world recognition as the Germans seemingly accomplished), Militarism, (The European Arms Race), or the Alliances, (The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy, and the Triple Entente between Great Britain, France, and Russia).

So what do you think was the main cause of these things, and why?

If I made a mistake somewhere, please correct me.

*EDIT*

If this belongs in the Military History & Tactics Forum, can a mod please move it there?

Thanks

[Mu-Meson]

I just want to know what you all think.Really? Really?

Correction: I have a major essay due in some Uni course, and I haven't done jack all semester. Help me MP.net!

PS: I was totally the Illuminati-ZioNazi-Lizard People who started WWI.

[tyovan]

Nationalism/desire for territorial expansion...
Fuels the arms race and mistrust between Great Powers.
Provides initial powderkeg in Sarajevo, French wanted Alsace-Lorraine back, etc..

[budgie]

The truth you seek can be found in the fourth season of Blackadder: "It was simply too much trouble NOT to have a war."

[Steelersfan413]

Really? Really?

Correction: I have a major essay due in some Uni course, and I haven't done jack all semester. Help me MP.net!

PS: I was totally the Illuminati-ZioNazi-Lizard People who started WWI.

Okay. You got me :)

[Zoomie]

What I think is: DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. :slap:

[Steelersfan413]

What I think is: DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. :slap:

I did. I just wanted to hear what others had to say. Especially considering many people on here could provide better answers than what I found.

[khalifah]

I also had a research paper due on the subject. I think my World Civ II professor explained it pritty well.

to sum it up VERY shortly, Imperialist nations ran out of colonial room for their markets, Market Saturation sets in, and War is the result.

That is my understanding of the cause of WW1 in a sentence,described in depth by my self proclaimed Communist Professor.

[zg18]

Imperialism & colonialism.

[LineDoggie]

Spat between Royal Families each trying to outdo each other and Jealous of each other? 3 of the 5 Major Powers were interelated, no?

[Wildgoose]

1. Treaties that bound each country in entangling alliances. Triple Alliance v. Triple Entente.

2. Cows

[FlintHillBilly]

I did. I just wanted to hear what others had to say. Especially considering many people on here could provide better answers than what I found.


Ahhhh HA! Your lookin for answers, but you stated in your original post you wanted opinions. I wont do your homework!

[BlackFlag]

1. Hitler.

2. Putin.

3.GW Bush.

[CG51]

Tiny *****es.

[Ordie]

Big Picture:

The British and French colonized, controlled and exploited about 2/3rd of the world. The Americans assumed the remnants of the Spanish Empire. Between all of them, they held a monopoly of natural resources and trade.

Apart from a few colonies overseas, the Germans had no means to keep up with the Jones's (Brits/French)

[INAT]

I guess when you look at it like Ordie does each power had a reason.Most of the royal familes of Europe had German blood and were interelated through marriage I think. To answer Line.

[pacifist]

Tiny *****es.

This is the truth!

You don't see pictures of these guy in a swimming trunks because everyone would see their small packages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R43302%2C_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II._und_Zar_Nikolaus_II..jpg

[tyovan]

Why did they switch hats?? Just looks retarded.

[Winger]

One can point to many causes. If you go back far enough in history it all starts to blur.

However, you can trace the root cause down to overpopulation. Different peoples come into contact, competition for resources and land takes place. The rest is downhill.

[xav]

the Jones's (Brits/French)
The Jones ???

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

I also had a research paper due on the subject. I think my World Civ II professor explained it pritty well.

to sum it up VERY shortly, Imperialist nations ran out of colonial room for their markets, Market Saturation sets in, and War is the result.

That is my understanding of the cause of WW1 in a sentence,described in depth by my self proclaimed Communist Professor.

That's Lenin's idea in "Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism".

The real cause of WWI was a combination of a web of alliances which took a spark to set off.

The alliances were caused by insecurity between nations as each sought to ensure its own security in a hostile world.

Europe was hostile because each state sought to expand its power at the expense of the other states. Europe had been this way since the Roman Empire fell, a state which led to Europe being periodically engulfed in war.

As to why each state sought to increase its power at the expense of other states, well, you'll have to look deep within human nature and deep within human selfishness for the answer to that.

[Kilgor]

I also had a research paper due on the subject. I think my World Civ II professor explained it pritty well.

to sum it up VERY shortly, Imperialist nations ran out of colonial room for their markets, Market Saturation sets in, and War is the result.

That is my understanding of the cause of WW1 in a sentence,described in depth by my self proclaimed Communist Professor.

Yes, your professor is a commie douche.

There are many reasons, but a arms race, hyper militarism and nationalism id say were the main ones.

[SkyUS]

I just want to know what you all think. I'm reading about this in History right now and wanted others' takes on this.

Do you think the main cause of World War One was Imperialism, (setting up empires in foreign nations), Nationalism, (the eventual assassination of Archduke Franz Fedinand and fighting for world recognition as the Germans seemingly accomplished), Militarism, (The European Arms Race), or the Alliances, (The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy, and the Triple Entente between Great Britain, France, and Russia).

So what do you think was the main cause of these things, and why?

If I made a mistake somewhere, please correct me.

*EDIT*

If this belongs in the Military History & Tactics Forum, can a mod please move it there?

Thanks

Hmm.... a high school paper, huh?

M.A.I.N
Militarism.Alliances.Imperialism.Nationalism

It's your lucky day I just happen to have a paper about this sitting on my hard drive. $75 really cheap, 5 sources are included, each additional source for bibliography will cost $10 more p-)

[deagle]

it started when someone said something bad to someone else. someone else got shot.

before soliciting others opinion, please let us know yours.

[SineJustitia]

I think, that when people can think of multiple plausible explanations for an outbreak of conflict, the urge to choose just one of them is nonsense.

The more reasons for war, the more likely it will break out. So in a weird way, Cpt. Blackadder was right.

[Connaught Ranger]

Why did they switch hats?? Just looks retarded.

I believe the Kaiser was an honorary Colonel of a Russian Regiment and the Russian Tsar an honorary Colonel of a Prussian Regiment, pre wprld war 1 of course.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Stainless Steel Rat]

No war ever occurs for just one reason. People have been writing books on why things happen for years (if you had time, I would recommend "The Guns of August" by Barbara Tuchman as the best readable history of the coming of WWI)

My take (FWIW): France both feared and hated Germany after the Franco-Prussian War and looked for allies. They found one in Russia, which led the Germans/Austrians to feel encircled. At the same time the Kaiser decided to build a ocean-going fleet that he intended to be second only to England's. The British, who until early in the 20th century were no great friends of France (see most of European history 1400-1900) saw this as a threat to their domination of their colonial empire and, contrary to a Century of British policy and hostility towards Russia, entered into the Entente to restrain Germany--which only made them feel even more surrounded and imperiled.

The spark at Sarjevo simply set off the caascade. Austria attacked Serbia; Russia declared war in support of Serbia; Germany moved to support it's ally; France moved in support of Russia (and revenge) and Britain came along.

None of the sides had any idea that the war would be as long and destructive as it was: The last major land action in Europe had been the Franco-Prussian war in 1871-1872, over 40 years before.

One point Tuchman made that mayhold true today--all sides had made mobilization and movement/attack plans in great detail beforehand, so once the process was in motion, it was hard to stop and let diplomacy try and maintain the peace--for the trains had to run on time....

Now, get your @ss back to studying.

[Telmar]

...The spark at Sarjevo simply set off the caascade. Austria attacked Serbia; Russia declared war in support of Serbia; Germany moved to support it's ally; France moved in support of Russia (and revenge) and Britain came along.
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I think Britain entered the war because of Germany moving troops through Belgium. Britain had an agreement with Belgium. As always, Britain defended the low countries against the expansion of continental powers.

Too much tension between european powers...Too many alliances...too many blind agreements of support between nations...A real domino effect. A little spark in the Balkans that ends up being a world war.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

I think Britain entered the war because of Germany moving troops through Belgium. Britain had an agreement with Belgium. As always, Britain defended the low countries against the expansion of continental powers.

I happily accept the modification. I think Britain would have gone in anyways, but it helped 'sell" the war to the people as the "Huns" invading poor helpless Belgium...


Too much tension between european powers...Too many alliances...too many blind agreements of support between nations...A real domino effect. A little spark in the Balkans that ends up being a world war.

Yep. And then they had to do it again 21 years later. Since then, Europe seems to have gotten out of the Great Powers war habit that defined the continent for much of it's history. 63 Years and counting....

[Dragonscript]

The main cause of WWI? A drunk guy with a grudge and a revolver.

Science and technology advanced faster than culture did and something was going to happen. Small regional wars had already forced the powers into their relative positions at the turn of the century and as bad/sad as it sounds, WWI needed to happen for society to advance. If WWI wouldn't have happen when it did, the small wars of the late 19th century would have continued and the colonial empires might still be around.

[Ordie]

The Jones ???

It's an expression to keep up your status as same as your neighbors.

Good example: Malaysia is always trying to keep up its prestige, status and quality of life as compared with Singapore's.

In this case Germany's industrial might struggled to keep up with France's and and UK's global presence and markets.

Blood connections traditionally kept Europe in relative peace (Pun intended). However the rise of nationalism plus the competitive nature of industrial capitalism trumped royality.

Blood connections along with alliances was meant to leverage each others power. All it took was a Serb with a gun to unravel everything including the entire 20th century.

(Malaysians, Serbs, Singaporans, Germans...Damn...I'm pushing a lot of buttons today)p-)

[vizant]

As always, Britain defended the low countries against the expansion of continental powers. Is this joke?

The main reason for ww1 is destroying Austrohungarian empire and royal family..
If you folow the history books there is like always 50 % true, like your grandchildren is gonna read at USA find weapon of mass destruction and attack Iraq but up to now there is no such weapon.... just some jurnalist stinky shoes maybe.... French revolution was there to destroy French royal family and octobar revolution in Russia was to destroy Russian royal family....we can see results today but we cant read about those plans becouse official books is just bul****...

Let face some facts:

french revolution franch royal family killed new leader is Napoleon who attack Rusia with 1 milion soldiers and?
ww1 you get komunist revolution organized by same people and Russian royal family was killed. Russia in komunist hand lost 50 milion people
ww2 Germany get fantastic MONEY (from Londons banks)and military power and new leader who is again ready to attack Rusia and he lose to...

But thay didn't learn lesson now thay are on the way for new maybe last attack....

[Connaught Ranger]

The main cause of WWI? A drunk guy with a grudge and a revolver.

Science and technology advanced faster than culture did and something was going to happen. Small regional wars had already forced the powers into their relative positions at the turn of the century and as bad/sad as it sounds, WWI needed to happen for society to advance. If WWI wouldn't have happen when it did, the small wars of the late 19th century would have continued and the colonial empires might still be around.

No, he was not a drunk, he was sent by the Serbian Black-Hand*, a bunch of renegade Serbian Royalist officers, who thought they should have an input into Balkan Foreign Policy.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand

also see: Wiki (I know not the greatest for dedicated info but they do get the basics right.:roll:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I#Chronology

Connaught Ranger:)

[Connaught Ranger]

Is this joke?

The main reason for ww1 is destroying Austrohungarian empire and royal family..
If you folow the history books there is like always 50 % true, like your grandchildren is gonna read at USA find weapon of mass destruction and attack Iraq but up to now there is no such weapon.... just some jurnalist stinky shoes maybe.... French revolution was there to destroy French royal family and octobar revolution in Russia was to destroy Russian royal family....we can see results today but we cant read about those plans becouse official books is just bul****...

Let face some facts:

french revolution franch royal family killed new leader is Napoleon who attack Rusia with 1 milion soldiers and?
ww1 you get komunist revolution organized by same people and Russian royal family was killed. Russia in komunist hand lost 50 milion people
ww2 Germany get fantastic MONEY (from Londons banks)and military power and new leader who is again ready to attack Rusia and he lose to...

But thay didn't learn lesson now thay are on the way for new maybe last attack....

Tinfoil hat time again I see:roll:

Napoleon was beaten in Russia:roll:

The Russian Communists took over late in WW1 and had no influence on the start of the war in Europe.

You completely for got to mention the 1870 / 71 Franco - Prussian War which saw France firmly defeated.

WW1 was not planned it evolved, first by Austria attacking Serbia for revenge but they were knocked back by the Serbs, Emperor Franz-Josef of Austro-Hungary invited his cousin Kaiser Willie of Prussia, and Bulgaria to join in, Tsar Nicolas of Russia was treaty bound to help the King of Serbia, France & the U.K. was treaty bound to help Russia, which in turn caused the Prussians to attack them, via Belgium, so in all, it was the domino principle.

You need to research your facts better, even as basics they are seriously flawed.:roll:

With regards WW2 if Hitler needed money he would have started his war against France, Belgium & Holland, instead of waisting time in Poland.

[vizant]

Tinfoil hat time again I see Yep i expect that comment


Napoleon was beaten in Russia hehe realy, he came back with 5 % his power


The Russian Communists took over late in WW1 and had no influence on the start of the war in Europe.
Lenin came to Russia with gold to finance revolution and juct chek who was members very first goverment after revoltuion only Lenin was rus, and hungarian communist exectued Romanov royal family. Ocotober revolution was organized and financed OUTside Russia to stop Russian industralization and increasing military power. After Lenin Stalin who was actual Georgin send 20 -40 milion poeple into gulags and jails who never come back and Stalin stupid tacttics in start of ww2 make 20 milion more victims..




WW1 was not planned it evolved, first by Austria attacking Serbia for revenge but they were knocked back by the Serbs, Emperor Franz-Josef of Austro-Hungary invited his cousin Kaiser Willie of Prussia, and Bulgaria to join in, Tsar Nicolas of Russia was treaty bound to help the King of Serbia, France & the U.K. was treaty bound to help Russia, which in turn caused the Prussians to attack them, via Belgium, so in all, it was the domino principle.
again jus falsificated history ww1 WAS planed. Gavrilo Princip was just 17 years old boy who was memebr of nationalistic organization "Black Hand"
but real leader was illuminati captain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Dimitrijević APIS who allready killed ROYAl SERBIAn family Obrenovic on 1903 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Serbia
and he help dinasty Karadjordjevic to take power who was Britain puppets.
He even TRY to kill 1917 in Greece King Kardjordjevic but his friend stop him and was on trail and killed


You need to research your facts better, even as basics they are seriously flawed. I just dont have time to explain all details my friend and my english sux :)


With regards WW2 if Hitler needed money he would have started his war against France, Belgium & Holland, instead of waisting time in Poland.

Wthout money Hitler was just poor austrian soldier from ww1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8730885410534535770

[V.I.D.]

Gavrilo Princip was the member of "Young Bosnia", nationalistic and idealistic pro-South Slavic organization with majority being teens and adolescents from Sarajevo's gymnasium. It included Serbs and Muslims (today: Bosniaks) from Bosnia. Here's some info that I posted in another thread dealing with the outbreak of WWI:


Primary Documents: Germany's 'Blank Cheque' to Austria-Hungary, 6 July 1914
Updated - Thursday, 3 January, 2002
http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/graphics/bethmann.jpg

Below is the text of the telegram sent by the German Chancellor, Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg (http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/bethmann.htm), to the German Ambassador at Vienna.The telegram effectively offered Austria-Hungary a 'blank cheque' in terms of German support for whatever action Austria-Hungary chose to take in punishing Serbia for the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/ferdinand.htm) on 28 June 1914.


Confidential - For Your Excellency's personal information and guidance
Berlin
6 July 1914
The Austro-Hungarian Ambassador yesterday delivered to the Emperor a confidential personal letter from the Emperor Francis Joseph, which depicts the present situation from the Austro-Hungarian point of view, and describes the measures which Vienna has in view. A copy is now being forwarded to Your Excellency.
I replied to Count Szagyeny today on behalf of His Majesty that His Majesty sends his thanks to the Emperor Francis Joseph for his letter and would soon answer it personally.
In the meantime His Majesty desires to say that he is not blind to the danger which threatens Austria-Hungary and thus the Triple Alliance as a result of the Russian and Serbian Pan-Slavic agitation.
Even though His Majesty is known to feel no unqualified confidence in Bulgaria and her ruler, and naturally inclines more to ward our old ally Rumania and her Hohenzollern prince, yet he quite understands that the Emperor Francis Joseph, in view of the attitude of Rumania and of the danger of a new Balkan alliance aimed directly at the Danube Monarchy, is anxious to bring about an understanding between Bulgaria and the Triple alliance.
[...]
His Majesty will, further more, make an effort at Bucharest, according to the wishes of the Emperor Francis Joseph, to influence King Carol to the fulfilment of the duties of his alliance, to the renunciation of Serbia, and to the suppression of the Rumanian agitations directed against Austria-Hungary.
Finally, as far as concerns Serbia, His Majesty, of course, cannot interfere in the dispute now going on between Austria-Hungary and that country, as it is a matter not within his competence.
The Emperor Francis Joseph may, however, rest assured that His Majesty will faithfully stand by Austria-Hungary, as is required by the obligations of his alliance and of his ancient friendship.






Primary Documents: Kaiser Wilhelm on Austria's Ultimatum, July 1914
Updated - Saturday, 24 May, 2003
http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/graphics/wilhelmandsons.jpg

Reproduced below are a series of telegrams sent by Baron Tschirschky - German ambassador in Vienna - to the German Kaiser, Wilhelm II (http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/wilhelmii.htm). Tschirschky reported upon events in Vienna surrounding preparation currently underway for presentation of a strict ultimatum to Serbia (http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/austrianultimatum.htm) in retaliation for the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/ferdinand.htm) a few days earlier in Sarajevo.

Of most interest however are the Kaiser's annotated notes upon the telegrams. These are indicated in the text in italics.

Telegrams from Baron Tschirschky to Kaiser Wilhelm II, 30 June-14 July 1914
30 June 1914
Count Berchtold told me to-day there was every indication that the threads of the conspiracy of which the Archduke was the victim centre at Belgrade. The affair was so cleverly designed that very young persons had been expressly selected to execute the crime, since they could not be sentenced to more than secondary penalties. (I certainly hope this is not the case.) The Minister spoke with intense bitterness of the Serbian plots.
I have heard even people of moderation and responsible judgment express a desire to settle once for all Austria's account with the Serbs. (Now or never!) They think one should submit to the Serbs a series of conditions, and in case they do not accept them, should take vigorous measures.
I am seizing every opportunity to dissuade people quietly but seriously from precipitate measures. (Who has authorised that? Utterly stupid!, It's none of his business! It is for Austria alone to decide what she considers it necessary to do. If things go wrong later, they will say: Germany opposed! Let Tschirschky do me the favour to drop such foolishness. The Serbs must be settled with as soon as possible. That is self-evident. It is something that requires no argument.)
First of all, it is important for people to know precisely what they wish. Up to the present, I have heard nothing but very vague and confused impressions. It would be well to weigh carefully the possible results of any act, and to bear in mind that Austria-Hungary is not the only country in the world; that she must show due consideration for her allies and keep in view the European situation as a whole; especially that she should not lose sight of Italy's and Rumania's attitude in matters concerning Serbia.
10 July 1914
Berchtold is complaining of Count Tisza's attitude, which makes it difficult to proceed vigorously against Serbia. Tisza pretends that they should act "like gentlemen." (With assassins! After all that has happened! Stupidity!)
14 July 1914
During the discussion to-day it was unanimously decided that it was advisable to wait until Poincare had left Russia before taking up matters with Belgrade. (Too bad!) For it is important, so far as is possible, to prevent the relations of those two Powers from being influenced, and perhaps determined, at St. Petersburg during the exhilaration of champagne dinners and demonstrations of fraternity by Poincare, Iswolsky, and the Grand Dukes. It would be better to have the toast over before the Ultimatum is sent. We shall be able to go ahead on July 25.
14 July 1914 (later)
Count Tisza called on me to-day after seeing Count Berchtold. He told me that he was a man who always counselled prudence, but that every day strengthened his opinion that the Monarchy must make up its mind to act energetically (Certainly!) in order to prove its vigour and to end once for all the deplorable situation on its southeastern border.
The language of the Serbian press and of Serbian diplomats is insupportably arrogant. Tisza told me: "It has been disagreeable for me to advise war; but I am now fully convinced that it is necessary, and I shall exert myself to the utmost in behalf of the Monarchy."
The final text of the note to be delivered to Serbia is not yet drafted. It will be ready Sunday (July 19). It has been decided that it will be better to wait until Poincare leaves St. Petersburg, that is, until July 25, before delivering it to Serbia. (What a pity!)
But as soon as the period allowed Serbia to reply has elapsed, or in case she does not accept all the conditions without reservations, mobilization will be ordered. The note has been drafted in such a way that it will be practically impossible for Serbia to accept it. (William II underlined this sentence twice.)
[Tschirschky then explained that Berchtold was considering what demands had best be put forward to make Serbia's acceptance wholly impossible. To this the Kaiser noted]
Evacuate the Sandjak (note: certain Turkish territory previously ceded by Austria to Serbia) then the row will begin. Austria must without fail get it back so as to stop the unification of Serbia and Montenegro and the Serbs reaching the sea.

Source: Source Records of the Great War, Vol. I, ed. Charles F. Horne, National Alumni 1923



LINK: http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/julycrisis_kaiserscomments.htm

[Connaught Ranger]

Yep i expect that comment

hehe realy, he came back with 5 % his power


Lenin came to Russia with gold to finance revolution and juct chek who was members very first goverment after revoltuion only Lenin was rus, and hungarian communist exectued Romanov royal family. Ocotober revolution was organized and financed OUTside Russia to stop Russian industralization and increasing military power. After Lenin Stalin who was actual Georgin send 20 -40 milion poeple into gulags and jails who never come back and Stalin stupid tacttics in start of ww2 make 20 milion more victims..

:cantbeli:

again jus falsificated history ww1 WAS planed. Gavrilo Princip was just 17 years old boy who was memebr of nationalistic organization "Black Hand"
but real leader was illuminati captain:cantbeli:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Dimitrijević (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Dimitrijevi%C4%87) APIS who allready killed ROYAl SERBIAn family Obrenovic on 1903 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Serbia


and he help dinasty Karadjordjevic to take power who was Britain puppets.:cantbeli:

He even TRY to kill 1917 in Greece King Kardjordjevic but his friend stop him and was on trail and killed

I just dont have time to explain all details my friend and my english sux :)

We agree on that and you are not my friend, also conspiracy theorists and history revisionist do not last long on here, even with their tinfoil hats.


Wthout money Hitler was just poor austrian soldier from ww1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8730885410534535770

Must be the time of year :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[c62]

I just want to know what you all think. I'm reading about this in History right now and wanted others' takes on this.

Do you think the main cause of World War One was Imperialism, (setting up empires in foreign nations), Nationalism, (the eventual assassination of Archduke Franz Fedinand and fighting for world recognition as the Germans seemingly accomplished), Militarism, (The European Arms Race), or the Alliances, (The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy, and the Triple Entente between Great Britain, France, and Russia).

So what do you think was the main cause of these things, and why?

If I made a mistake somewhere, please correct me.

*EDIT*

If this belongs in the Military History & Tactics Forum, can a mod please move it there?

Thanks
George W. Bush. Apparently he has caused / is causing / or will cause every calamity that will ever befall humanity.

[gazell]

I saw this question last night and that's what it reminded me of, so I'm not surprised at the answers, though it's starting to perk up a bit, but you need to do more research to be able to sieve them.p-)



"You are mistaken," retorted Švejk. "The Turks did it on account of Bosnia and Hercegovina."
He then expounded on his view of Austria’s international policy in the Balkans. The Turks, he noted, had lost their territories to Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece. The Turks had wanted Austria to help them maintain control, Švejk explained, and because Austria didn’t help them, the Turks shot Ferdinand."

"Could be," he said, continuing his exposition of the future of Austria, "that, in case of a war with the Turks, the Germans will attack us, because the Germans and the Turks stick together. They are double-crossers without equal in all the world. But, we can unite with France. It has been waiting for an excuse to fight Germany since 1871. And, that’ll get things going then for sure. There will be war and I'll say no more."

Hasek: Svejk

I find important to emphasize though - I know it's been mentioned earlier - the assassination is not a reason but an excuse to go to war. More so, as the day set for the lovely military parade was the day of remembrance of battle of Rigomezo, quite asking for trouble but anyhow, as the documents provided by VID I don't need to say all that, also the Hungarian PM maintained, there was not enough reason and more importantly the army of the monarchy was not ready for it, well, bless his wisdom, they could keep Belgrade for a day...

[Connaught Ranger]

I saw this question last night and that's what it reminded me of, so I'm not surprised at the answers, though it's starting to perk up a bit, but you need to do more research to be able to sieve them.p-)



"You are mistaken," retorted Švejk. "The Turks did it on account of Bosnia and Hercegovina."
He then expounded on his view of Austria’s international policy in the Balkans. The Turks, he noted, had lost their territories to Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece. The Turks had wanted Austria to help them maintain control, Švejk explained, and because Austria didn’t help them, the Turks shot Ferdinand."

"Could be," he said, continuing his exposition of the future of Austria, "that, in case of a war with the Turks, the Germans will attack us, because the Germans and the Turks stick together. They are double-crossers without equal in all the world. But, we can unite with France. It has been waiting for an excuse to fight Germany since 1871. And, that’ll get things going then for sure. There will be war and I'll say no more."

Hasek: Svejk

I find important to emphasize though - I know it's been mentioned earlier - the assassination is not a reason but an excuse to go to war. More so, as the day set for the lovely military parade was the day of remembrance of battle of Rigomezo, quite asking for trouble but anyhow, as the documents provided by VID I don't need to say all that, also the Hungarian PM maintained, there was not enough reason and more importantly the army of the monarchy was not ready for it, well, bless his wisdom, they could keep Belgrade for a day...

From where is the above in bold taken and in what context was it written?

because by itself it meaningless.

Connaught Ranger

[Jobu]

I think the main cause was the new German Empire's desire to join the imperialist party. They had mostly sat and watched as Italy, France, England, Spain, Holland, etc all sailed around the world slicing off large chunks of pie at the expense of distant foreign peoples.

Germany could have some pie too, but it would be right there in Europe at their neighbors' expense.

[California Joe]

Did anyone say "Because Serbs are all crazy..." yet?



:)

[Lt. James Anderson]

No, he was not a drunk, he was sent by the Serbian Black-Hand*, a bunch of renegade Serbian Royalist officers, who thought they should have an input into Balkan Foreign Policy.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand

also see: Wiki (I know not the greatest for dedicated info but they do get the basics right.:roll:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I#Chronology

Connaught Ranger:)

Wrong.
IIRC, he wasn't even supposed to be an assassin.
When two (?) attempts failed he packed his bags and went home somewhat disappointed. On his way home he stopped to buy a sandwich. Archdukes car took a wrong turn (went the route they weren't suppose to) and ended up right in front of him. He took out his gun, pulled the trigger, and the rest is history.

Judging by all evidence to this day the Black Hand wasn't behind the assassination. They were involved at some point, but discarded the plan in the end. The group of members of Young Bosnia decided to go with the plan on their own. This wasn't their first assassination of Austrian official either.

When it comes to WWI the thing is none of the participants even realized what that was gonna turn into before it was to late.

[IraGlacialis]

Do you think the main cause of World War One was Imperialism, (setting up empires in foreign nations), Nationalism, (the eventual assassination of Archduke Franz Fedinand and fighting for world recognition as the Germans seemingly accomplished), Militarism, (The European Arms Race), or the Alliances, (The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy, and the Triple Entente between Great Britain, France, and Russia).I'd say all of the above.

Imperialism caused the resentment that lead to the assasination of the Archduke.
Nationalism and militarism went hand in hand by fueling distrust between nations and powering up each nation from within through feelings of respective superiority.
And if it weren't for the alliances, there is a chance that particualr conflict wouldn't have been as massive as it was.

Putting it simply, of course.

[Liba85]

The thing is that everybody wanted war. France was humiliated in Franco-Prussian war and they wanted their lost land back, Germany was feeling like king of the world after that same war and UK did not want to lose her naval supermacy to Germany.

All these three big countries needed was an incentive. It came as a form of Franz Ferdinand's murder and the war between austro-hungary and serbia. US knew nobody could threaten it, but saw great possibilities for her economy if a new war in europe would start.

[Mackie]

With regards WW2 if Hitler needed money he would have started his war against France, Belgium & Holland, instead of waisting time in Poland.

There are no doubts that Hilter was heavy supported by powerful global industrials. Perhaps they didn't want total war but a aggressiv Germany.

[gazell]

From where is the above in bold taken and in what context was it written?

because by itself it meaningless.



Of course it is, it's meant to be, being a quote from a satirical novel on small, simple people's experience of the Great War in middle Europe. Very shocking on local colour and hilarious in adopt strikes of humour on all levels, of course the author also served in the war, a brilliant book IMHO, can recommend for Christmas.

[Connaught Ranger]

There are no doubts that Hilter was heavy supported by powerful global industrials. Perhaps they didn't want total war but a aggressiv Germany.


Please list some of the global industrials.

[LineDoggie]

Yep i expect that comment

hehe realy, he came back with 5 % his power


Lenin came to Russia with gold to finance revolution and juct chek who was members very first goverment after revoltuion only Lenin was rus, and hungarian communist exectued Romanov royal family. Ocotober revolution was organized and financed OUTside Russia to stop Russian industralization and increasing military power. After Lenin Stalin who was actual Georgin send 20 -40 milion poeple into gulags and jails who never come back and Stalin stupid tacttics in start of ww2 make 20 milion more victims..




again jus falsificated history ww1 WAS planed. Gavrilo Princip was just 17 years old boy who was memebr of nationalistic organization "Black Hand"
but real leader was illuminati captain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Dimitrijević APIS who allready killed ROYAl SERBIAn family Obrenovic on 1903 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Serbia
and he help dinasty Karadjordjevic to take power who was Britain puppets.
He even TRY to kill 1917 in Greece King Kardjordjevic but his friend stop him and was on trail and killed

I just dont have time to explain all details my friend and my english sux :)


Wthout money Hitler was just poor austrian soldier from ww1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8730885410534535770
This post is insane, inane, and highly fanciful to say the least.


Napolean Bonaparte was defeated in Russia, there is no doubt about that.

A 17 Year old can pull a trigger quite well, as the allies found out in 1945 when confronted with HJ at Aachen, Berlin, etc.

I love the sly Anti-Semitic "Joos" did the "Oktobar" Rev bit as well....

And of Course only Hungarians Killed the Romanovs :roll: didnt realize the Hungarians were running Russia in 1917-1920

Then of course it was all the "Georgians" fault from 1923-1953 :roll:

I'm confused as it seems it's either the "Joos" or the "Illuminati" responsbile for everything since 1914

[V.I.D.]

Did anyone say "Because Serbs are all crazy..." yet?



:)

It was about the time someone brings the holy truth to the daylight. :)


Seriously though, Lt. Anderson clarified things pretty well, I must add. The second piece to it is that attempts failed thanks to the utter incompetence of the Young Bosnia membership. They received some crappy hand grenades and weren't exactly the most skilled nor bravest shooters out there. In any event, it is the crazy coincidence that led Archduke Ferdinand's car right in front of Gavrilo Princip as the latter was just leaving the coffee bar convinced that all assassination attempts have failed for good.




Some interesting quotes ascribed to Princip:

"I am the son of peasants and I know what is happening in the villages. That is why I wanted to take revenge, and I regret nothing."


"I am not a criminal, for I destroyed a bad man. I thought I was right."

—Princip after he performed his assassination

"There is no need to carry me to another prison. My life is already ebbing away. I suggest that you nail me to a cross and burn me alive. My flaming body will be a torch to light my people on their path to freedom."

—Princip to the prison governor on being moved to another prison

"I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be free from Austria."


"Our shadows will be walking through Vienna, strolling through the court, frightening lords."

—Found engraved on the wall of Princip's prison cell after his death

"If I hadn't done it the Germans would have found another excuse."

—Supposed to be his last words.