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Carib
12-17-2008, 01:31 PM
A Gentler Hegemony

By Robert D. Kaplan
Wednesday, December 17, 2008; A17
Washington Post


Declinism is in the air. The latest conventional wisdom is that the combination of the disastrous Iraq war, the military and economic rise of Asia, and the steep recession in the West has chastened America, ending its period of dominance in world affairs. It is time for us to be humble.

There is a lot of truth to this, but it goes too far. For decline itself -- as a concept -- is overrated. Britain's Royal Navy went into relative decline beginning in the 1890s, even as Great Britain remained powerful enough to help save the West in two world wars over the next half-century.

The proper analogy may be the Indian Mutiny in 1857 and 1858, after the orientalists and other pragmatists in the British power structure, who wanted to leave traditional India as it was, lost sway to Evangelical and Utilitarian reformers who wanted to more forcefully Christianize India -- to make it in a values sense more like England. The reformers were good people: They helped abolish the slave trade and tried to do the same with the hideous practice of widow-burning. But their attempts to bring the fruits of Western civilization, virtuous as they were, to a far-off corner of the world played a role in a violent revolt against imperial authority.

Yet the debacle did not signal the end of the British Empire, which expanded for nearly another century. Rather, it signaled a transition away from an ad hoc imperium fired occasionally by an ill-disciplined lust to impose its values abroad -- and to a calmer, more pragmatic and soldiering empire built on trade, education and technology.

That is akin to where we are now, post-Iraq: calmer, more pragmatic and with a military -- especially a Navy -- that, while in relative decline, is still far superior to any other on Earth. Near the end of the Cold War, the U.S. Navy had almost 600 ships; it is down to 280. But in aggregate tonnage that is still more than the next 17 navies combined. Our military secures the global commons to the benefit of all nations. Without the U.S. Navy, the seas would be unsafe for merchant shipping, which, in an era of globalization, accounts for 90 percent of world trade. We may not be able to control events on land in the Middle East, but our Navy and Air Force control all entry and exit points to the region. The multinational anti-piracy patrols that have taken shape in the Strait of Malacca and the Gulf of Aden have done so under the aegis of the U.S. Navy. Sure the economic crisis will affect shipbuilding, meaning the decline in the number of our ships will continue, and there will come a point where quantity affects quality. But this will be an exceedingly gradual transition, which we will assuage by leveraging naval allies such as India and Japan.

Then there are the dozens of training deployments around the world that the U.S. military, particularly Army Special Forces, conducts in any given week. We are all over Africa, Asia and Latin America with these small missions that increase America's diplomatic throw-weight without running the risk of getting us bogged down. Aside from Iraq and Afghanistan, our military posture around the world is generally light, lethal and highly mobile. We have been quietly reducing land forces in South Korea while compensating with a more effective air and naval presence. In Colombia, platoon-size numbers of Green Berets have been instrumental in fighting narco-terrorists; in Algeria, such training teams have helped improve our relationship with that formerly radical Arab country. Such stripped-down American military deployments garner no headlines, but they are a formula that works.

The Marines, after becoming virtually desert forces since 2001, will return to their expeditionary roots aboard amphibious ships in the Greater Indian Ocean and Western Pacific. American military power is not going away. But instead of being in-your-face, it will lurk just over the horizon. And that will make all the difference.

In sum, we may no longer be at Charles Krauthammer's "Unipolar Moment (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19910201faessay6067/charles-krauthammer/the-unipolar-moment.html)," but neither have we become Sweden. Declinism of the sort being preached will go immediately out of fashion at the world's next humanitarian catastrophe, when the very people enraged at the U.S. military because of Iraq will demand that it lead a coalition to save lives. We might have intervened in Darfur had we not been bogged down in Iraq; after Cyclone Nargis, our ships would have provided large-scale relief, had Burma's military government allowed them to proceed. As world population rises, and with vast urban areas with tottering infrastructures in the most environmentally and seismically fragile zones, the opportunities for U.S. military-led disaster relief will be legion. The American military remains a force for good, a fact that will become self-evident in the crises to come.

Of course we are entering a more multipolar world. The only economic growth over the next year or two will come from developing nations, notably India and China. But there are other realities, too. We should not underestimate the diplomatic and moral leverage created by the combination of the world's most expeditionary military and a new president who will boast high approval ratings at home and around the world. No power but the United States has the wherewithal to orchestrate an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, and our intervention in Iraq has not changed that fact. Everyone hates the word, but the United States is still a hegemon of sorts, able to pivotally influence the world from a position of moral strength.

Yet American hegemony post-Iraq will be as changed as Britain's was after the Indian Mutiny. It will be a more benign and temperate version of what transpired in recent years. Henceforth, we will shape coalitions rather than act on our own. For that, after all, is the essence of a long and elegant decline: to pass responsibility on to like-minded others as their own capacities rise.
Robert D. Kaplan is a national correspondent for the Atlantic and a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security (http://www.cnas.org/).

Rictor
12-17-2008, 02:57 PM
Rather, it signaled a transition away from an ad hoc imperium fired occasionally by an ill-disciplined lust to impose its values abroad -- and to a calmer, more pragmatic and soldiering empire built on trade, education and technology.

But their attempts to bring the fruits of Western civilization, virtuous as they were, to a far-off corner of the world played a role in a violent revolt against imperial authority.

Oh Christ.

It's virtually impossible to argue with a man who believes it a sacred duty to civilize the poor, benighted savages of the world by force of arms. And further, that America must now assume the role left by the British Empire. Like, what goddamn planet is he living on?

BlackFlag
12-17-2008, 02:59 PM
Oh Christ.

It's virtually impossible to argue with a man who believes it a sacred duty to civilize the poor, benighted savages of the world by force of arms. And further, that America must now assume the role left by the British Empire. Like, what goddamn planet is he living on?

"White Man's Burden"

:roll:

This guy is a knob.

Ordie
12-17-2008, 03:12 PM
I've read Kaplans books and articles. He's more of a realist than an idealist.

His argument is for the "filling of development gaps" as a means for greater global security. That is to say where there's a void of government, infrastructure and development, that is where extremist will flourish.

budgie
12-17-2008, 09:16 PM
I quite like that article. This is what the world expects of the US military - a force for good, there to back up allies, just over the horizon but not in-your-face. For the most part that has been America's role as global hegemonist and the world is relatively comfortable with that. Walk softly and carry a big stick.

eskachig
12-17-2008, 10:32 PM
I quite like that article. This is what the world expects of the US military - a force for good, there to back up allies, just over the horizon but not in-your-face. For the most part that has been America's role as global hegemonist and the world is relatively comfortable with that. Walk softly and carry a big stick.What? US military has traditionally defended American interests and American interests only - it has never been 'a force for good'.

I mean seriously, look at the wars it has been involved in over the last century or so - how many were fought out of altruism?

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all, but call a spade a spade.

budgie
12-17-2008, 11:11 PM
Pure altruism? Very few. Bush Sr. sent troops to Somalia and Clinton to Haiti and Yugoslavia. But often the greater good and US interests collide anyway - in fact one would argue that in most cases it is America's interest to secure peace and stability. Just because the Bush administration cynically threw away America's post-9/11 goodwill on Iraq isn't the fault of the military itself or the entire country, so yeah I'd say they're still a force for good in the world. As good as it gets anyway.

gaijinsamurai
12-17-2008, 11:49 PM
"White Man's Burden"

:roll:

This guy is a knob.

Kaplan is one of my favorite writers of contemporary geopolitics, and he definitely knows what he's talking about. I'd encourage you and Rictor to read a little more of his work before passing judgement.

vryhpyammoadded
12-18-2008, 09:56 AM
Good read!

I disagree with much of the conventional hype that brought the US here but Kaplan’s opinions of the similarities to Britain’s later 19th century pattern and the near future of the US are good.

The US is far from over as a power and is in fact in its maturity only having stumbled economically and will do so in the future again. There are many decades to go before a possibility of real serious “elegant” decline. Unless of course some variable big enough comes along to overwhelm it and there are a few out there that are commonly on the probable rise during these troubled times but we’ve handled these sorts before.

It isn’t exacting, rocket science; Republics are fickle, chaotic things but modern technology sure helps managing predictable human habits. I think we’ll do fine and I even feel excited about our future possibilities now that chance is whacking on the old paradigms piñata. I can’t wait to see what drops out when it breaks. Exciting times ahead!

gaijinsamurai
12-18-2008, 11:28 AM
The last Kaplan book I read was Imperial Grunts. Excellent read, and strongly recommended.

kamaz
12-18-2008, 11:47 AM
I think this guy writes for the Altantic. great magazine.

btw, does the US Navy only have 280 ships? How is this possible, thats a laughably small amount.

Jobu
12-18-2008, 12:06 PM
Warrior Politics is a few years old now but it's still a great book. I don't necessarily agree with Kaplan's views all the time but his articles/books are always good reads.

California Joe
12-18-2008, 12:18 PM
"White Man's Burden"

:roll:

This guy is a knob.


Oh Christ.

It's virtually impossible to argue with a man who believes it a sacred duty to civilize the poor, benighted savages of the world by force of arms. And further, that America must now assume the role left by the British Empire. Like, what goddamn planet is he living on?

Where do you get that it is his opinion? That he is somehow advocating empire building on the backs of indigenious peoples...He's speaking about Britains historical attitudes as their Empire slowly entered into a decline. Comparing their naval superiority to the current US fleet...Sounds to me like you've taken his comments out of context...

Ordie
12-18-2008, 02:19 PM
I think this guy writes for the Altantic. great magazine.

btw, does the US Navy only have 280 ships? How is this possible, thats a laughably small amount.

Still a considerable fleet as compared to other major powers. Keep in mind that the US Navy has the largest carrier fleet, one of the more powerful air forces, and submarine assets.

Many of the vessels during in the 1980's (600 ship Navy) were a mixed lot of WW2, 1950's and 1960's era vessels. Many of these ships were very costly to operate, and the people joining the Navy were not the top of the class.*

Today's navy is much more automated, modern, cost efficient and with a more savvy crew.

* I joined the Navy in 1984.
My boot camp company in San Diego:

80% had a high school diploma
70% from single parent households
25% enlisted directly from the Philippines
25% Were former juvenile petty convicts from New York who were sent to the miitary on the judge's orders
25% Were midwesterners who've never seen the ocean before.
The rest were Californians.
Of the people who've tested positive for pot or disciplnary problems, they were sent to a remedial company.

Because there was so much pressure to man a 600 ship Navy, no one was ever kicked out even for drug offenses.

During our first Liberty after boot camp, we were kicked out of the San Diego Zoo, Seaworld and Hotel Del Coronado. The only place they loved us was at Tijuana.

ibstolidude
12-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Oh Christ.

It's virtually impossible to argue with a man who believes it a sacred duty to civilize the poor, benighted savages of the world by force of arms. And further, that America must now assume the role left by the British Empire. Like, what goddamn planet is he living on?
He is Robert Kaplan.... do you really not know who he is?

KilRemgor
12-18-2008, 03:23 PM
What always makes me wonder is that one thing is carefully avoided by such types of analysis.
That every political or social principle has finite timespan during which it is correct.

In the old Sparta, it was ok for Spartans to be able to kill any slave during certain day to limit and control the enslaved population.
It was ok for Japan to forcibly isolate itself from the outside world.
It was ok for medieval Europe to launch Crusades at Jerusalem.
It was ok for Great Britain to have colonies all over the world with population working for metropoly first, for its needs second.

Hegemony was productive for the colonization and globalization processes, allowing development and spread of western culture/technologies, keeping relative order, establising world-scale diplomatic and economic principles, etc. But world hegemony is not 'general principle'. Roman Empire wasn't really touching anything non-Europe; Mongol invasions were generally limited to Asia; and there were longer timespans when no hegemon was present than otherwise (the whole Dark Ages, early Medieval, or pre-Roman times for many centuries).

And now, is it really necessary? A single country to do what? Base the entire globalized economy on lone emitent with no 'backup management' to take over? (we already have seen results of this... even EU went ahead with euro quite in time) Force economic inequality by having 'cheap-labor-countries' and 'developed-advanced-markets'? Provide security? By waging wars that in the end only lead to greater loss of life, devastation and insurgency? Develop science, further increasing technological gap as scentific capabilities get drained from other 'lesser' countries?

The world has changed since Great Britain times. It no longer needs hegemony for development.
It may need some kind of world government in the future, or at least a common political framework... but not a hegemony of a single country.

Even 'League of Democracies' idea with all its apparent inequalities has greater historic 'correctness' than hegemony nowadays. Establishing a distributed structure of control, power and economic management is much more progressive now than attempt to build a centralized one. Centralized ones aren't really up to managing the globalized world with all its conflicts, problems and inequalities.

Eventine
12-18-2008, 03:49 PM
That's the problem with comparing the British and American "empires."

The British ran a mercantile empire that was always, in many respects, about "our interests at your expense." For this reason, its empire was inherently unstable - the natives, along with other powers, were resentful of their unequal treatment. Thus, the British empire burned during the two world wars. The French were even slower at reading the writing on the wall; that's why they ended up fighting (and losing) several decolonization wars afterward.

The US, by contrast, runs an international system that is flexible enough to accommodate other powers and interests. I don't really see the Indians or the Chinese seething at their unfair treatment. Sure, they complain (and we complain back), but at the end of the day they stand to benefit from the current system and they know it. So long as international relations are based on mutual benefit, the system is likely to endure. If and when that stops being the case, then we might expect to see a truly drastic shift.

Ordie
12-18-2008, 03:56 PM
The rationale: the more countries are linked with each other, the less likely a major war will happen.

gustav
12-18-2008, 04:18 PM
He's trying really hard to make his parallel with the UK hold though...Whats this obsession with the Brits anyway?

vryhpyammoadded
12-18-2008, 05:15 PM
The rationale: the more countries are linked with each other, the less likely a major war will happen.
One conundrum that’s bothered me lately (thirty years) has been the fact that all these links seem increasingly less based off cooperation and helping one another advance but instead more akin to holding each other hostage or worse, snookering the other to be left holding the bag while you run off laughing all the way to the bank. Note: that’s for most all nations and people and yes, the US has done it too maybe more so than others.

Sure all the diplomacy looks great up front on paper with all those complex entangled investments looking like they’re too important to waste but the relative value of all those laws, regulations, investments and what not seem to go further on the wane as the international elite increasingly sits on their thumbs when it comes to punishing those who take advantage.

To me the roots of this vacillation in the paradigms zeitgeist manifest directly of the extremely bipolar, naïve, passive/aggressive, deadlock currently infecting the collective American mind. In other words, as the American voters ignorantly waffle between the demagogues of the so called conservative and the progressive, more avaricious powers of the world jump to take advantage. With our hegemony taking up such a large portion of world power that vacillation induces a greater effect on those nations to potentially bring it all down like some Bismarckian web.

If the US has too large a fluctuation, as we are having now, the world risks removing the mask revealing just how low our civilized good will has gone making all those entangling economic and diplomatic investments seem pretty worthless for a lot of nations.

Personally I feel war is about as likely to occur either way be it multilateralism or sovereign nationalism.

Then again, it could simply be my doubts are colored by my anachronistic, individualist prejudices which prevent me from trusting the extreme wealthy and politicians with people’s liberty and money.

Maybe off shoring and spreading the US power around is a good thing but people sure seem not to be appreciative of its implications while the diplomacy of hostage taking and outright ripping off one another sure seems on the rise.

Damn, that’s a lot of rambling… Anyway, I guess what I’m getting at is akin to game theory on a really big scale and in my opinion implies the world always goes for the throat of the naïve which implies wars will happen no matter what system we come up with.

By the way, does San Diego still have signs in BalboaPark that say “Dogs and Sailors Keep off the Grass”? I stole one ages ago but lost it. ;)

Jaegermeister + Red Bull
12-18-2008, 07:10 PM
Still a considerable fleet as compared to other major powers. Keep in mind that the US Navy has the largest carrier fleet, one of the more powerful air forces, and submarine assets.

Many of the vessels during in the 1980's (600 ship Navy) were a mixed lot of WW2, 1950's and 1960's era vessels. Many of these ships were very costly to operate, and the people joining the Navy were not the top of the class.*

Today's navy is much more automated, modern, cost efficient and with a more savvy crew.

* I joined the Navy in 1984.

My boot camp company in San Diego:

80% had a high school diploma
70% from single parent households
25% enlisted directly from the Philippines
25% Were former juvenile petty convicts from New York who were sent to the miitary on the judge's orders
25% Were midwesterners who've never seen the ocean before.
The rest were Californians.
Of the people who've tested positive for pot or disciplnary problems, they were sent to a remedial company.

Because there was so much pressure to man a 600 ship Navy, no one was ever kicked out even for drug offenses.

During our first Liberty after boot camp, we were kicked out of the San Diego Zoo, Seaworld and Hotel Del Coronado. The only place they loved us was at Tijuana.

Sounds like a weekend out in town after 2 weeks in a miner's camp, a bloody good time.

p-) Go you old seadog.

Carib
12-18-2008, 07:26 PM
The last Kaplan book I read was Imperial Grunts. Excellent read, and strongly recommended.

x2, I was looking at reading his new one Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts: The American Military in the Air, at Sea, and on the Ground (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1400061334/)

anyone read it?

Ordie
12-18-2008, 07:30 PM
x2, I was looking at reading his new one Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts: The American Military in the Air, at Sea, and on the Ground (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1400061334/)

anyone read it?

I started to read it until I got too busy.
It's basically a continuation of Imperial Grunts.

Kaplan also hosted a Frontline TV PBS documentary on the war against terrorism. It had him embedded with the Special Forces in the Philippines.

BlackFlag
12-18-2008, 07:31 PM
Kaplan is one of my favorite writers of contemporary geopolitics, and he definitely knows what he's talking about. I'd encourage you and Rictor to read a little more of his work before passing judgement.

Fair enough.

Carib
12-18-2008, 07:32 PM
got a link to that, I may have seen it but i've seen so much like it that I cannot remember...

ren0312
12-18-2008, 11:21 PM
I think the primary problem with this article is that Kaplan seems to assume that China or the Chinese wants to reinvent it self in the image of the West, and discard its 4,000 year old culture in favor of Western culture and values, which I see as less than a given.