Russia: Any Government Critic can be Traitor Now

[loganinkosovo]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D954K4Q80&show_article=1


Russian treason bill could hit Kremlin critics

MOSCOW (AP) - New legislation backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would allow Russian authorities to label any government critic a traitor—a move that rights activists said Wednesday was a chilling throwback to times of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Josef%20Stalin&sid=breitbart.com) The bill, which is expected to become law, would expanded the definition of treason to include damaging Russia's constitutional order, sovereignty or territorial integrity. That, rights activists said, would essentially let authorities interpret any act against state as treason—a crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
Activists said that would catapult Russia's justice system back to the times of Stalin's purges, calling it "legislation in the spirit of Stalin and Hitler."
"It returns the Russian justice to the times of 1920-1950s," the activists, which included Moscow Helsinki Group head Lyudmila Alexeyeva and Civic Assistance director Svetlana Gannushkina, said in a joint statement.
Existing law defines state treason as actions harming external security by passing information to "foreign organizations."
Putin's bill would add non-governmental organizations based anywhere in the world that have an office in Russia to the list of banned recipients of state secrets. The government has repeatedly accused foreign spy agencies of using NGOs as a cover to foment dissent.
But critics warned the loose wording will give authorities ample leeway to prosecute those who cooperate with international rights groups.
That may jeopardize the rights of Russia's citizens to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Human%20Rights&sid=breitbart.com) which is done through NGOs. Alexeyeva said a person who reports government abuses to an NGO—for example Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Human%20Rights%20Watch&sid=breitbart.com)—could be deemed to have harmed Russia's interests.
As for the rest of the proposed bill, the activists believe each additional phrase deliberately targets potential threats to the Kremlin.
"Constitutional order," for example, would outlaw opposition protests, they said. "Territorial integrity" would forbid regional calls for independence, an issue of particular concern in Russia's volatile North Caucasus, where Chechnya is located.
The legislation likely to be quickly approved by parliament, which is dominated by Kremlin loyalists.
During Putin's eight-year presidency, the government has systematically rolled back Russia's post-Soviet political freedoms and that has shown no signs of stopping under Putin's successor and protege, Dmitry Medvedev.
Alexeyeva said the government was pushing the law quickly to head off possible protests resulting from the global financial crisis, which has hit Russia hard.
"The people ruling the government are afraid of the reaction of its citizens to their inability to cope with the crisis," she said.
Lev Ponomaryov, an outspoken government critic, said the legislation creates "a base for a totalitarian state."
In a separate development Wednesday, the Russia's upper house of parliament passed legislation that would end jury trials for those facing charges of terrorism and treason. Instead they would face judges.
The bill's authors say the change was necessary because they claim juries have acquitted many suspects despite strong incriminating evidence. Critics denounced the bill as another blow to democratic principles.



Once KGB....Always KGB.

Lets hear it for the CCCPeePee!

Let the Slaves Sing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLi_m656tQQ

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

repost bro

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=147973

[RSCH12]

I find it funny how westerners believe that russian government need a legislation to... Protect it's territorial integrity and to arrest traitors, while in reality to suppress freedom!
Everything in this article is pure speculation of a wonderfull bunch of 'human rights activists'( worst_scum_on_Earth), actually they still exist in Russia, and...gasp... partially on a government money and sadly no one killed them all yet.

[loganinkosovo]

repost bro

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=147973

Sorry. I looked...even searched forum but didn't see.

Thats some stalinist sh!t right there!

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

I find it funny how westerners believe that russian government need a legislation to... Protect it's territorial integrity and to arrest traitors, everything else in this article is pure speculation of a wonderfull bunch of 'human rights activists'( worst_scum_on_Earth), actually they still exist and...gasp... partially on a government money.


no its about something else. russia claims to be fuly developed democratic country which has unfolded since the fall of USSR. but its obvious that its still runned by people who were "well-connected" during the commie rule. Not only Luguvoy whos thretning people and talking about “the Betrayal of the Motherland"...
where is e.g. free press? theres still totalitarian feeling in the air.

worst scum on earth? right-o! go live somewhere withouth them...I recomend north korea.


Sorry. I looked...even searched forum but didn't see.

Thats some stalinist sh!t right there!

agreed, but this is russia.
no worries about repost mate.

[Eventine]

Lets hear it for the CCCPeePee!

What's that?

[xzx]

Sorry. I looked...even searched forum but didn't see.

Thats some stalinist sh!t right there!

No, thats just old typical goebbels sh!t, from western scum media, masquerading propoganda as news.



worst scum on earth? right-o! go live somewhere withouth them...I recomend north korea.


i reccomend you a cia secret prison


agreed, but this is russia.
no worries about repost mate.

this is west, and their "free" media, enjoy their "truthful" reports about Russia, they actually do a good job brainwashing people like you.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

in other words, it will destroy the point of the freedom of speech?
if u cant critic or comment on your gov, i dont call this "democracy".

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

No, thats just old typical goebbels sh!t, from western scum media, masquerading propoganda as news.

i reccomend you a cia secret prison

this is west, and their "free" media, enjoy their "truthful" reports about Russia, they actually do a good job brainwashing people like you.

your post is irrelevant and prooves the exactly opposite of your designed point, comrade, therefore, I will do the same:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2h6vu6h.gif

[LazerLordz]

Idiot is spouting utter BS.

[RSCH12]

its obvious that its still runned by people who were "well-connected" during the commie rule.
When they were pro-western no one cared.



where is e.g. free press?
By this you mean - 'where are magazines and newspapers criticizing Kremlin'?
There are quite a few.

Also, I dont get why 'free' press is better, it's still under some influence of.. say... sponsors.
I mean look at Estonian free press it's free but they will spread anti-Russian propaganda even for free( haha).


Luguvoy whos thretning people.
He is from LDPR, you get it?
It's a 'party' of clowns and what they say makes no sence at all.
You can read Zghirinovskyi's speech and laugh or watch any of his videos.


theres still totalitarian feeling in the air.
Sadly, there isn't, at least not on common people's level.


thretning people and talking about “the Betrayal of the Motherland"...

BotM = Treason.
What's the problem?

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

the problem is that some people acts that the russia has no socio-economic and political problems, which truly arent on common peoples level, what so ever and Im trying to proove otherwise. thats all.

regards

[dimasorokine]

Thats because Russia has REAL problems to deal with, not some Gary Casparov idiots whining about democracy...And besides, most people in Russia (like 80%) approve of Medvedev and Putin, thats more democratic than a 30% approval rating.

-Dima

[davey]

The USA does play a role in the roll back of democracy in Russia. There are legions and legions of US funded NGO's in Russia promoting US interests with the aim of eventually dismembering it of some of its most important territories. These territories are either important energy producing or energy transit regions, eg Caucasus, Ural / Finno-Ugric territories and Tatarstan. These designated areas usually contain significant populations of non-Russian ethnicity. This reminds one of US covert operations in Khuzestan, aimed at dismembering Iran of this oil producing and Arab speaking region.

The US regime change and destabilization machinery is unmatched in scope, budget and track record. Its track record in Latin America is very well documented and not subject to debate. It is the prime reason the US is not embraced in that region. Georgia and Ukraine were successfull recent projects, installing useful idiots with no democratic values or integrity. Russia is the main focus today, and in support, PR companies, psyops and counterintelligence work tirelessly with the Western media. You, as Western media clients, are directly influenced and become indoctrinated to support the objectives of the Empire without question and without being properly informed. You are now victims because you have come to support some corporate elite's perpetual imperial ambition and oil lust. You have lost the ability to think independently and reveal your indoctrinated mindset by being a habitual Russia-basher. You have lost the ability to apply balanced analysis to the available facts. This used to be wat separated us in the West from totalitarian societies, it used to be our proud heritage.

The legislation referred to is primarily aimed at closing down the NGO destablization pathway. Unfortunately it affects legitimate NGO activity and a result, human rights, freedom and democracy. So if you are complaining about the roll back of freedom and democracy in Russia because you care for ordinary Russian citizens so much, be a realist for once and also denounce US destabilization for its eventual impact on Russian society.

[dimasorokine]

Be careful, you'll get called a crazy tin foil wearing conspiracy theorist really quick! It’s a fact that Russia armed Hezbollah, but the US doing anything to harm Russia's interest is a wild accusation.

-Dima

[LineDoggie]

No, thats just old typical goebbels sh!t, from western scum media, masquerading propoganda as news.

As opposed to say the Enlightened truth of your comments? any other Jingoistic adjectives you'd like to add into your rant?




i reccomend you a cia secret prison Been to one recently? I hear they pale compared to Butyrka, Sukhanovka

[xzx]

As opposed to say the Enlightened truth of your comments? any other Jingoistic adjectives you'd like to add into your rant?


Sure, only those, who possess Enlightened truth can oppose Western press, becouse the Western press is Enlightened truth itself. ahhaha i see, western press do its job good ))



Been to one recently? I hear they pale compared to Butyrka, Sukhanovka

So u been in all of those probably, then u surely know better )

[LineDoggie]

Good job saying nothing, now how about a Logical, sober assessment of the Original Posters Article?

Has the Article been translated wrong? Since the Majority of poster here are not native Russian Speakers, please point out the discrepancies without the Jingoism

Will the "Constitutional Order" clause allow for Dissent against the Government, Yes or No?

Will Any Russian Citizen working with an NGO be under scrutiny for "Treason", Yes or No?

Define "Betrayal of the Motherland", it's execeedingly Vague.

Would say Mr. Kasparov be considered Treasonous?

RSCH12 at least points out the Mr. Lugovoy is in a fringe party, much like our Political Process has as well. That is a retort that at least makes sense. Does this Fringe Party have the votes to enact this law?

[davey]

Would say Mr. Kasparov be considered Treasonous

Mr Kasparov would deliberately come into conflict with the law in order to raise his own profile, the Russian police would again be dumb enough to arrest him, the Russian population would yawn and continue with their daily tasks and Kasparov would be celebrated as a hero and a true democrat in the West.

Kasparov is the Russian equivalent of Yuschenko and Saakashvili but without any support. American influenced and choreographed and a member of several American institutes and think tanks. I actually witnessed one of his marches while I was on work assignment in Russia. It was a big yawn for the general public, but back home my wife recorded BBC reports portraying him as a viable opposition candidate, oppressed and victimized by Putin's regime.

He was refused permission to march because he insisted on marching in a busy section that would have caused traffic havoc. I believe this was deliberate. His application to march was late on purpose, with the aim of getting it turned down. Note that if you are late with your application to march in London or Washington, in will be turned down there too. Police and traffic officials need time plan traffic flow, and put adequate numbers on the ground to avoid property damage (especially cars). There are legalities and liabilities involved, primarily with regard to the protection of property. There is nothing particularly Russian about this. But Kasparov plays it brilliantly every time as instructed by his American masters and the police force is dumb enough to arrest him. The BBC, Sky, CNN and FOX contribute by omitting or distorting the facts. As a result Western viewers are misled to the extent that they believe Putin, with a 75% approval rating, needs to oppress / victimize a man with less that 1% support.

Well, on second thought, the police force is perhaps not that dumb. It could be that they are legally bound to arrest him to cover the city against any legal claims arising from property damage. So old Kasparov is still a brilliant chess player.......

Another time he deliberately traveled without his internal passport to ensure arrest. He knew that he would be checked at the airport. The police complied. A high profile EU delegation visiting Russia that day was shocked and the BBC had a field day.

And Kasparov is still free.

[SniperRu]

^^ well said

[lightfire]

I didn't expect anything else - that western media is a bastion of geobels propoganda, anyone saying anything about demoracy in Russia is an idiot and a traitor of the motherland, funded by the americans and zionists, thus the law is excelent - exterminate all who dissaprove. Nothing new.

[Trouble]

When they were pro-western no one cared.


By this you mean - 'where are magazines and newspapers criticizing Kremlin'?
There are quite a few.

Also, I dont get why 'free' press is better, it's still under some influence of.. say... sponsors.
I mean look at Estonian free press it's free but they will spread anti-Russian propaganda even for free( haha).


He is from LDPR, you get it?
It's a 'party' of clowns and what they say makes no sence at all.
You can read Zghirinovskyi's speech and laugh or watch any of his videos.


Sadly, there isn't, at least not on common people's level.


BotM = Treason.
What's the problem?

The Problem is that Russia has/is becoming a National Socialist State, camouflaged with some good old fashion Soviet nostalgia for good measure. Russia has also not left behind its inferiority complex.

[LineDoggie]

Mr Kasparov would deliberately come into conflict with the law in order to raise his own profile, the Russian police would again be dumb enough to arrest him, the Russian population would yawn and continue with their daily tasks and Kasparov would be celebrated as a hero and a true democrat in the West.

Kasparov is the Russian equivalent of Yuschenko and Saakashvili but without any support. American influenced and choreographed and a member of several American institutes and think tanks. I actually witnessed one of his marches while I was on work assignment in Russia. It was a big yawn for the general public, but back home my wife recorded BBC reports portraying him as a viable opposition candidate, oppressed and victimized by Putin's regime. Sources please....


He was refused permission to march because he insisted on marching in a busy section that would have caused traffic havoc. I believe this was deliberate. His application to march was late on purpose, with the aim of getting it turned down. Note that if you are late with your application to march in London or Washington, in will be turned down there too. ...... But Kasparov plays it brilliantly every time as instructed by his American masters and the police force is dumb enough to arrest him. The BBC, Sky, CNN and FOX contribute by omitting or distorting the facts. As a result Western viewers are misled to the extent that they believe Putin, with a 75% approval rating, needs to oppress / victimize a man with less that 1% support.



Another time he deliberately traveled without his internal passport to ensure arrest. He knew that he would be checked at the airport. The police complied. A high profile EU delegation visiting Russia that day was shocked and the BBC had a field day. Ausweiss Bitte.....


And Kasparov is still free. I know, so Inconvienent isnt it?:roll:

Interesting, so you know from seeing the records that Mr. Kasparov deliberately turned in his request for a Marching permit late? And who do you work for that the Russian Police allow you access to their records?

You record TV interviews or news of him as well-"recorded BBC reports portraying him as a viable opposition candidate, oppressed and victimized by Putin's regime"- Obsessed Much?

Who's your "master" I wonder :)

[dimasorokine]

No one in Russia likes Kasparov, he knows this and even makes a lot of his speeches in English. He's a western TV media darling, the "Good Russian". I honestly doubt you have the interest or patience to dig any deeper than a few articles and actually try and see things from a Russian point of view, the point of view that actually matters in Russia.

Look up Kasparov's history, his background and you'll realize an Iranian version of Michael Moore would be the equivalent in the US.

-Dima

[LineDoggie]

Well thats all the evidence I need, huh......:roll:


I used Mr. Kasparov as an example of a Putin Government Dissenter, and all that's been given is "Traitor, Puppet, etc". Funny that this person who supposedly doesnt matter, has no support -gets panties all in a wad. There are those so obssessed with him they feel the need to record his TV coverage.

I suppose he is a Betrayer of the Motherland as well....

[dimasorokine]

Well thats all the evidence I need, huh......:roll:


I used Mr. Kasparov as an example of a Putin Government Dissenter, and all that's been given is "Traitor, Puppet, etc". Funny that this person who supposedly doesnt matter, has no support -gets panties all in a wad. There are those so obssessed with him they feel the need to record his TV coverage.

I suppose he is a Betrayer of the Motherland as well....

He's not even Russian, so technically its not the motherland ;)...The reason he got so much attention is because he made so much noise in the west. And the reason we (Russian members) discuss him is because we are members of an American forum with lots of American members. He truly is NOT important in Russia, just some jackass running around making speeches in English.

And you seem to misunderstand the Russian point of view on these issues. We don't want Stalin back, we Just want stability and the wealth of the country to be brought back into the hands of the country, not some Oligarchs living in Britain...And this might sound like some "Commie" BS to a cold war warrior. But Russia is not a stable, rich and safe country like the US. WW2 veterans are not taken care, people die at extraordinary high rates, there is violence, poverty, low birth rates, high alcohol consumption, low life expectancy etc. etc. Russians need a strong government that can help, and if it comes at the expense of some millionaire wishing to criticize the government its fine with most.

So while the West babbles on about some rich guy not being allowed to persue his interests, most Russians say "I don't give a f*ck, bring order, safety, health and stability to this country".

-Dima

[davey]

I'm your source, take it or leave it. I was there at the time. Everybody had a good yawn about Kasparov's antics. Go to Russia, speak to Russians. You would be very naive to expect any Western reports to resemble the facts. Hell if you believe that man has any following you really are a victim of the Western press. This specific incident played a big role in my personal re-assessment of Western media, because I saw a man marching with perhaps 500 supporters being portrayed as a dissident hero by the BBC.

The West is backing the wrong horse. Russians are quite racist and nationalistic. Many dislike Jews and people from the Caucasus and there's no way that this mix of Armenian and Jew will have any political impact.

Kasparov has a long history of soliciting arrest. It is well known and there's no need to argue about that.

I have no masters. I'm 1/2 German, 1/4 Russian and 1/4 Jewish. My wife is Ukrainian (1/4 Russian too, Russian speaking). I met her while working for a multinational co in Russia. Our friends tend to be from different nationalities because we work and travel internationally. They include Russians. So now you know. They are not the demons portrayed by Western media.

BTW I'm in Africa at the moment. Ask a moderator to check my IP address....the KGB or whatever they are called now don't have operatives here! I only work for a business consulting firm. Vested interests via my wife and some friends? Perhaps. But personally I just think the bias and hatred against Russia originating from the West has become so ridiculous that I can't help getting involved in arguments. Actually, I think this irrational Russophobia thing is an embarrassment to reasonable people in the West and has grown out of control.

BTW I think all Russia bashers who contributed to this thread are examples of the indoctrinated I spoke about. You really need to get on a plane and broaden your horizons. You will see that there's a functioning society there, and people are quite normal. So sleep easy tonight. They are not coming to assassinate you.

[davey]

There are those so obssessed with him they feel the need to record his TV coverage.

I ask my wife to record it. My main interest was not Kasparov, but the deliberate and despicable bias of the Western media. I wanted to see if his march was covered by the BBC, and what slant they gave to it. Hell, if you have not noticed this terrible bias, I'm quite concerned.

Elsewhere on this forum you will notice that my pet hate is the fact that objectivity in the Western press has evaporated in the last couple of years.

I will continue to fight for objectivity and fair coverage, and you should too. Because one day, something bad may affect you or those close to you, and you will want to know the truth. So fight for the truth while you still can.

[dimasorokine]

You really need to get on a plane and broaden your horizons. You will see that there's a functioning society there, and people are quite normal.

The truth was spoken, and I'm quoting it! Speaking of which, I'm in Serbia trying to avoid genocide ;)

-Dima

[zg18]

The truth was spoken, and I'm quoting it! Speaking of which, I'm in Serbia trying to avoid genocide ;)

-Dima

Or trying to avoid turbo folk party ;-)

[LineDoggie]

I'm your source, take it or leave it. Thanks I think I'll leave it since your More than Biased.



I was there at the time. And Again, you saw his request for a Permit to March, Because the Russian Police apparently just let anyone see their records at will, unlike every other Police Department on the planet Earth.....:roll:




You would be very naive to expect any Western reports to resemble the facts. Of Course all western media is the Fascist Goebbbels run Propaganda ministry:roll: Only Russian media can ever be believed........ Give me a Break fella, Western Media for all its faults (there are many,including celebrity worship) is one hell of a Lot more open and credible than Pravda. And Western Reporters who criticize the Government dont wind up dead like Anna Politkovskaya


The West is backing the wrong horse. Russians are quite racist and nationalistic. Many dislike Jews and people from the Caucasus and there's no way that this mix of Armenian and Jew will have any political impact. If you say so, Personally I dont see them as any more racist than any other society.... Funny though how when Mr. Kasparov was the Chess Champion he was Russian Citizen, now that he opposes the Current regime, he's a Jew and Armenian



BTW I think all Russia bashers who contributed to this thread are examples of the indoctrinated I spoke about. Of Course , any who dare disagree are Indoctrinated.......





So sleep easy tonight. They are not coming to assassinate you. Yeah, because I worry to death about Polonium poisoning or some schmuck with a Stechkin :roll:

[CRAZY MERC]

The Problem is that Russia has/is becoming a National Socialist State, camouflaged with some good old fashion Soviet nostalgia for good measure. Russia has also not left behind its inferiority complex.

The problem is that you are so f... brainwashed. Oh wait, you are from the US.

[intruder_bass]

Of Course , any who dare disagree are Indoctrinated.......



Wow...just WOW!

I doubt plane trip can broaden horizonts for this "fella"
I dont think it is possible. It's called "diagnoz"

anyway......

Dima, Davey...thanks guys! I am with you here.

[LineDoggie]

Wow...just WOW!

I doubt plane trip can broaden horizonts for this "fella"
I dont think it is possible. It's called "diagnoz"

anyway......

Dima, Davey...thanks guys! I am with you here. Such an Erudite retort, just Wow, wow, wow:roll:

[dimasorokine]

Have you even read most of the responses we've provided you with? You don't even respond with points, just quick little shots and words no one uses (they don't make you sound smart)...

Ah forget it, I don't want to type up another response and you reply with the same "Stalin, KGB, Gulag, Commie" stuff. Your mind is made up, now DUCK AND COVER!

-Dima

[asch]

Funny that this person who supposedly doesnt matter, has no support -gets panties all in a wad.
only in the Western countries, sorry. a little to none attention to him here.

[LineDoggie]

Have you even read most of the responses we've provided you with? You don't even respond with points, just quick little shots and words no one uses (they don't make you sound smart)...

Ah forget it, I don't want to type up another response and you reply with the same "Stalin, KGB, Gulag, Commie" stuff. Your mind is made up, now DUCK AND COVER!

-Dima

As opposed to Fanboi Western, Traitor, Puppet, " Proporgonda" , etc.:roll:

[LineDoggie]

only in the Western countries, sorry. a little to none attention to him here. At least thats a reasoned reply, thank you.

[GazB]

I didn't expect anything else - that western media is a bastion of geobels propoganda, anyone saying anything about demoracy in Russia is an idiot and a traitor of the motherland, funded by the americans and zionists, thus the law is excelent - exterminate all who dissaprove. Nothing new.

Yeah, those evil KGB communists in charge of Russia now are ruthless and exterminate all in their way. I guess that is why Gary Kasparov is dead right now?


The Problem is that Russia has/is becoming a National Socialist State, camouflaged with some good old fashion Soviet nostalgia for good measure. Russia has also not left behind its inferiority complex.

The sort of state that Russia becomes should be left up to Russia shouldn't it? Or does the west have the right to demand they become a mirror of a particular western country? BTW which western country is the correct definition of democracy? Is it Britain with the Queen? Is it America with a congress etc?


Sources please....

Where do you suspect he gets his funding?


I know, so Inconvienent isnt it?

Yet if Putin was half as evil as depicted in the west he would have had an accident years ago.


I used Mr. Kasparov as an example of a Putin Government Dissenter, and all that's been given is "Traitor, Puppet, etc".

Putin has popular support within Russia. Of course that suggests Putin dissenters don't have popular support. Anyone in the 1980s who came from the Soviet Union after having worked for an anti American think tank who opposed Ronny Raygun, well work it out yourself. Once it was discovered where they came from and what they had been doing recently it would be clear that he was a traitor and puppet and would be dismissed by the US public as a candidate for office. I am sure the Soviet news Agencies will think he is wonderful and how hippocritical the west was at not being democratic and how his marches keep getting closed by the police etc etc.




Thanks I think I'll leave it since your More than Biased.

Hahahahahahaha. That is so funny. There is no such thing as objective. It doesn't exist. People like to claim balance, but if you never look at the other side then you cannot have balance.

If you truely wanted an unbiased view then you need to watch Al Jazera AND Fox News AND Russia Today. You will get three very different stories from three very different perspectives. All three are Biased. They are biased to their own points of view. To suggest that Fox alone can give you balance is to stick your head in the sand. No wonder you don't understand why the rest of the world doesn't love the west like you do.
When Fox portrays the arrest of Gary Kasparov when he is part of an illegal demonstration they talk about the evil of Putin. Putin is never shown directing the police to arrest him. Just the police enforcing the law being used as political pawns by Mr K. When Russia Today shows it they point out that there were only 50 other people with him in his protest and that most of them are foreign journalists and that when they start arresting him he starts shouting in English that his rights are being violated. Al Jazera might briefly mention it but only on a really slow news day because it is really not news.
There is an old story about 5 wise but blind old men who come across an elephant each reaches out and touches the elephant... one touches its tail and says "An elephant is like a rope... long and thin." The second touches its back leg and says "An elephant is like a tree trunk... stout and tall." The third touches its side and says "An elephant is like a wall... tall and wide and rough." The fourth touches its ear and says "An elephant is like a bat wing... large and flat and thin." And the fifth wise man touches its trunk and says "An elephant is like a snake... long and muscular and powerful."

They are all feeling an Elephant but each experiences a different part. They are all correct in their descriptions of part of the elephant, but as descriptions of a whole elephant they are all wrong.


And Again, you saw his request for a Permit to March, Because the Russian Police apparently just let anyone see their records at will, unlike every other Police Department on the planet Earth.....

A spokesman for the police was interviewed on Russia Today for one of his marches that I saw him get into trouble in. They had planned to walk a specific route and half way through they changed the direction they were walking. The police spokesman said they had no choice but to stop them after they deviated from the agreed route into normal traffic and caused serious problems.
It would not surprise me if he didn't try other things as well. His little protest walks only get attention when he gets into trouble with the police. And he only gets into trouble with the police when he breaks the law.

[dimasorokine]

As opposed to Fanboi Western, Traitor, Puppet, " Proporgonda" , etc.:roll:

I gave you reasonable, non instegating responses...you chose not to understand the Russian point of view, so here we are. The Russain point of view comes from actually LIVING in Russia, you get yours from the biased media (all media are biased). Thats all I'm going to say.

-Dima

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Excellent post GazB, i guess u guys are just figthing an ANTI-russian paranoiak.

who ever read the news they see from the local tv and think 'ITS MUST BE 100% TRU, CNN SAID SO!!!!" is living WAY back in time.
cmon....i always at least read news from 5-6 different countrys (west,east) and that is the better option to get the balance.

[RICHICOQUI]

Not surprising that members of this forum that like this propose new russian law don't live in russia!!:roll:

[GazB]

Not surprising that members of this forum that like this propose new russian law don't live in russia!!

Who said I like it?

If I was arrested in New Zealand for starting or acting as part of a riot I really don't care whether I am tried by jury or not. It doesn't actually make that much difference.

If Kasparov is given as an example of a victim of that law then it is clear there are no innocent victims.

There are plenty of democrats in Russia that deserve support. Kasparov is not one of them. He is showy like Saakashvili. All stage show and no substance.
There are plenty of opposition politicians that actually work hard and work to improve Russia. One of them was even put into a regional government position recently because he was clearly working for Russia. Kasparov on the other hand is a media btch who survives on the "oppression" of the opposition politician. Plays really well for the foreign media where he is popular, but Russian voters see through his crap, how he changes to English in his rallys when it looks like the guys with batons are heading his way. That is why he gets so little of the vote. It is good enough to work in the west however because western media is dumb.