Vladivostok, 21 november. OMON vs people

[asch]

http://www.*******.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4BK0VL20081221?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

By Alexei Dovbysh
VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (*******) - Russian riot police detained at least 100 people on Sunday protesting against government measures linked to the economic crisis, a crackdown that highlighted official sensitivity to growing hardship.
Riot police broke up an unsanctioned rally organized against new car import duties, kicked a protester as he was being held and hurled a cameraman's gear to the ground.
Police used a loudhailer to order demonstrators to go home as they gathered near the city center, and the OMON riot police started snatching people after an uneasy 30-minute standoff.
Local media said 100-200 of the 500 participants were detained but authorities declined to confirm this figure.
Further protests were due to take place across Russia on Sunday against car import tariffs, which are being raised to prop up struggling domestic car producers and discourage Russians from buying second-hand vehicles.
They are particularly popular in Russia's Far East which is a major importer of used Japanese cars and political analysts say the protests are the first serious challenge by Russians to measures directly linked to the financial crisis.
The global economic crisis has battered Russian financial markets and oil, a chief source of foreign currency revenue, has plunged from $147 to under $40 per barrel in six months.
Protestors in the Pacific port city of Vladivostok, 6,000 km (3,750 miles) east of Moscow, are urging Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to reverse the car import tariff hike, which they say will destroy livelihoods.
"For me, the car business is the only way to support my family," said car dealer Nikolai Kostalenko who took part in the protest.
Nikolai Markovtsev, a local parliamentarian with the pro-Kremlin Fair Russia party, said protesters were seeking to protect their jobs.
"The government has shown how it interacts with the people. They should talk to people, not twist their arms," he said.
The car duty is largely a defensive measure to protect Russia's domestic motor industry, which is largely based around the Volga region cities like Togliatti, home of the Soviet-era Lada cars, several time zones to the west.
(Writing by Conor Sweeney in Moscow; Editing by Jon Boyle)

http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00kz5kxp.jpg

http://ljplus.ru/img4/m/a/matroskin_cat/DSC_2681_.jpg
[/URL][URL]http://matroskin-cat.livejournal.com/83052.html (http://%5BIMG) - more photos.
take note: OMON "ZUBR" was sent from Bryansk (basically other end of Russia). local OMON units refused to participare in the mess. attack of OMON was totally unprovoked.

outcome: ~40 people with different (to heavy) injuries, broken limbs etc, reporters from 5-6 media grups detained and beaten (one of them in reanimation now).

that's not the end of story.

[vi]

It doesn't look violent actually

[jaybe]

http://www.youtube.com/v/lu2KWbUXvOc&hl=ru&fs=1

[jaybe]

It doesn't look violent actually
try video 123

[Mr.K]

I found it ironic that even the police use a used toyota suv.p-)

[Mousepad]

I found it ironic that even the police use a used toyota suv.p-)

In Far East - Everything, is used Japanese.

[Zhur]

Why are those mass media blaming OMON in such actions?! :cantbeli:
They received an order, and they must do what they are ordered!

Becides,
IMHO, though OMON is supposed as anti-riot and anti-criminal special police unit - but it is NOT. After active use OMONs in both chechen wars - we have mostly battle units, got used intensive fightig to death with chechen terrorists.

[intelligenzija]

Why are those mass media blaming OMON in such actions?! :cantbeli:
They received an order, and they must do what they are ordered!


because they were acting brutally?


btw, the wehrmacht received orders too.. :rolleyes:


but seriously, I hope med/putin will rethink about passing that law.

[Zhur]

because they were acting brutally?
I repeat, actually, OMON's are not anti-riot unit's today... Read my previous post carefully...



btw, the wehrmacht received orders too.. :rolleyes:
I don't blame wermacht.

What would be army/police if they would discuss every order and do as they whant?.. :roll:



but seriously, I hope med/putin will rethink about passing that law.
I hope this law will pass. I'm tired from that right-wheeled car drivers. If they want to overtake other car - they have to move to counter lane to check....

Finally, our country has right-hand movement, so left-wheeled cars avaliable only....

[tyovan]

I repeat, actually, OMON's are not anti-riot unit's today... Read my previous post carefully...

What would be army/police if they would discuss every order and do as they whant?.. :roll:


Ok, so I read your post carefully. You described OMON units as:

mostly battle units, got used intensive fightig to death with chechen terrorists.

So its perfectly acceptable for you to deploy intense fighting units to crack down against peaceful, unarmed Russian civilian protesters??

****, why don't you just deport the protestors to the gulag and shoot them as enemies of the people?

[LineDoggie]

http://www.youtube.com/v/lu2KWbUXvOc&hl=ru&fs=1

Interesting Video.


From My Observations of it, I noticed two things that stood out.

1- The Crowd of Protestors seemed Peaceful enough. not throwing things or running amok

2- I didnt see One Omon? officer giving anyone a beating. Detainees were physically marched to the holding truck or picked up physically.

I see no evidence of any Police Brutality, nor Crowd acting Violently.

[Vympel]

NAX...!!! I understand when they beat commies or soros bitches, but now....:///////

[Mr.K]

In Far East - Everything, is used Japanese.
Yeah , I noticed that. But since they are state officials shouldn't they be driving UAZs and Volgas.
I'm not sure what to think about this protectionist policy, yes in theory it will protect the jobs at the lada plant, but from what I heard the cars they make are crap.


When I was in Cuba, police had lada kalinas p-). Russian tourists that i met could not comprehend why the cuban government bought those cars.

[Mousepad]

NAX...!!! I understand when they beat commies or soros bitches, but now....:///////

Bear in mind one thing, there is nothing one-sided. In 2009 there will be a tidal wave of used cars, trucks, tractors etc. confiscated by banks worldwide, mostly in G7, because of unpaid credits, and they will be sold practically for ANY price, and if it will hit Russia in full, we can kiss goodbye our automobile production, even crappy as it is. And it means that 2-3 mln people will loose they jobs, we have trouble already with gastarbeiters from former SU who were practically kicked out from construction sites and (let's face it - slave jobs) with no means of survival, add 2 mln of full citizens to cauldron, and we have total FUBAR on our hands. On the other hand letting Far East to hang dry is FUBAR too, and Govt must pump money in there. So the situation is "Between rock and a hard place". And do not forget that colour revolutions also started small, and god save us all, if Russia will get one.

As for sending hardcore war vets to smash riots. Thirst thing is, that sending riot cops to hardcore war is wrong, but Russia don't have the luxury to print money out of it's ass, and have to operate with what it have.

[Mousepad]

When I was in Cuba, police had lada kalinas p-). Russian tourists that i met could not comprehend why the cuban government bought those cars.

MIG diplomacy - LADA edition, on the other part read my previous post :)

[asch]

I hope this law will pass. I'm tired from that right-wheeled car drivers. If they want to overtake other car - they have to move to counter lane to check...
that's actually a widespread myth. and shows that you not driving right-wheeled car (bc it's a nonsence).

Finally, our country has right-hand movement, so left-wheeled cars avaliable only....
it's not about cars now. it's about stupid government moves in a time of crisis and inability to make decisions that let people survive. people want to expain our mistrust to government and calls for impeachment (by referendum).
oh and about OMON moves - it seems that we're lucky to have that meeting there, or they will just beat random people on the streets to detain their 200 "protestors".

http://forum.mvd.ru/forum/165983/?page=0 - i'm surprised that such topic is still there. in before the Vladivostok actions such topics will be quickly locked and erased.

[Vympel]

I hope this law will pass. I'm tired from that right-wheeled car drivers. If they want to overtake other car - they have to move to counter lane to check....

Finally, our country has right-hand movement, so left-wheeled cars avaliable only....

I agree, but they could forbit right-hand cars only, and not **** people lives with tariffs. I was 18 when i sold first car (E38) in Russia imported from Germany. It was ****ing good money for a student! When import tarrif was rised for older models, it was hard to buy a good car for me, then drive it to russia and sell. Me and my friends bought old VOLVO FL6 for car transportation, but after that , law was passed. You couldn't sell car after you instantly bought it. Now it's not imposible at all

[Vympel]

that's actually a widespread myth. and shows that you not driving right-wheeled car (bc it's a nonsence).

I've drived right side cars, and it's pretty hard to drive when you have blind points, like in junctions, or in corners. It's fucin nightmare for small cars, if passenger is in front. I had problem driving "normal" E30 in UK too.

[asch]

I've drived right side cars, and it's pretty hard to drive when you have blind points, like in junctions, or in corners. It's fucin nightmare for small cars, if passenger is in front. I had problem driving "normal" E30 in UK too.
a question of practice )
i bet that first months behind the wheel(nevermind the alignment) was hard for you, as for any driver.

[Vympel]

Maybe, but even dolneboishiki(and they are most experienced drivers i must say. Altough craziest) have problems becouse of blind point, especialy in non-controlled by svetafor(english?) and without major road junctions. Back on topic, im proud of our people now. Even our news speak about this openly.

[Mousepad]

Maybe, but even dolneboishiki(and they are most experienced drivers i must say. Altough craziest) have problems becouse of blind point, especialy in non-controlled by svetafor(english?) and without major road junctions.

We, Dalnoboishiks are forbidden to use right hand weel, as a bus drivers.

[asch]

We, Dalnoboishiks are forbidden to use right hand weel, as a bus drivers.
no worriez, now our autoprom will rise and make some good buses and trucks.
p-)

[Vympel]

We, Dalnoboishiks are forbidden to use right hand weel, as a bus drivers.

I ment to say that even most exp. drivers have problem with blind spots due their cabin carcass, and it's clearly fact, that in left-side traffic, right-side car drivers have some problems. But im not saying, that ride side cars can cause havoc on the streets. UK is an example.

[Vympel]

Yeah, now only all concepts ladas will hit the streets. Lada ****in revolution

[Wojtop]

I read that buying cars in Vladivostok was kind of dangerous - various bandits hunting for owners of new cars and forcing them to pay "tax" were common on the long way back to central Russia. Beating or killing happened on a regular basis. Is that true?

What surprise me is that Russian Govt is taking some steps to prevent crisis enraging Russians, yet for example Russian Lukoil in Poland acts as if nothing happened - it takes a very aggresive stance and sells oil cheaper than others despite of buying it at the same price as them. Any logic in this?

[Vympel]

I read that buying cars in Vladivostok was kind of dangerous - various bandits hunting for owners of new cars and forcing them to pay "tax" were common on the long way back to central Russia. Beating or killing happened on a regular basis. Is that true?


Nalogs are quite offen. But you pay for a place for your car... and your safety... Same in most of europe too. But car sellers sometimes are same bandits. Other thing is when potential buyer asks for test drive and takes with him friends...:-*$

[GazB]

btw, the wehrmacht received orders too..

If you mean WWII then the whermacht were racist scum who enjoyed killing slavs because they were racist and believed they were doing the world a favour.
This has nothing to do with the German army or WWII.


So its perfectly acceptable for you to deploy intense fighting units to crack down against peaceful, unarmed Russian civilian protesters??

The US was happy to use National Guard Units against Vietnam protesters.

Is that not the same thing?


why don't you just deport the protestors to the gulag and shoot them as enemies of the people?

Why don't you just let people do what they like when told by a policeman to do something?


that's actually a widespread myth. and shows that you not driving right-wheeled car (bc it's a nonsence).

Try safely pulling out of a carpark on the side of the road with the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car. Nice to be able to step into the drivers seat directly from the footpath, but your view of traffic is aweful and you basically have to creep out till you think you are able to go and then floor it out.

[asch]

I read that buying cars in Vladivostok was kind of dangerous - various bandits hunting for owners of new cars and forcing them to pay "tax" were common on the long way back to central Russia. Beating or killing happened on a regular basis. Is that true?
that's a thing from 90's. it's all quite civilized now. people don't want bad reputation and loss of customers.

[Vympel]

^^ Don't know about Vladivostok, but in Moscow those things happen. Ofcourse, instead of being killed, you might find your car damaged. Bandits hunting for owners thing is absurd. It's opposite i would say. :D Ofcourse, when you don't know whom and where to sell your car, you might get in trouble everywhere, not only in Russia. As i mentioned, most dangerous thing is when dark ass guy with his friends ask for test drive. One thing, they drive like maniacs, other thing, you feel pressure.

[Mousepad]

no worriez, now our autoprom will rise and make some good buses and trucks.
p-)

Well, actually they already do some competitive buses, not to the level of Mers or Neoplan, but on the level of they main competitors in Russia - used Korean like - KIA, Daewoo etc, as for trucks, my 1-st was SuperMaz, it was a sturdy reliable machine, but at some point you understand, that if you take care of your prostate, your prostate will take care of you, what is good for 20 y/o conscript, is not the same for 30-40-50 y/o fart. If guys in Maz and Kamaz will improve on ergonomics, i will be happy to oblige. As for private cars, well i would like to see them kicked in the nuts for now, and it must be done repeatedly, untill those guys will get they head out of they ass. Understand me right, i feel yoor pain, coz i'm end user of used foreign machinery. But in real world situation is grim.

If it'll lighten your mood, here's one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcXD_aHV8A0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Httlfx6F1OM

[Gawel1410]

http://www.*******.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4BK0VL20081221?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

By Alexei Dovbysh
more photos.
take note: OMON "ZUBR" was sent from Bryansk (basically other end of Russia). local OMON units refused to participare in the mess. attack of OMON was totally unprovoked.

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Very commonly used practice, during the martial law era in Poland, 1981- 1982, the polish ZOMO, equivalent of the OMON, they sent diffrent units to other provinces so that the people that they were suppressing were not relatives. Think that this was the same reason for this action in Russian.

[LEGEND]

I've drived right side cars, and it's pretty hard to drive when you have blind points, like in junctions, or in corners. It's fucin nightmare for small cars, if passenger is in front. I had problem driving "normal" E30 in UK too.

I had to drive a left hand drive wrangler on left side drive roads... That was weird, almost got killed as soon as I started driving by simply trying to pull out of the parking lot on the stop sign (was looking the wrong way when pulling out). Since the car was normal but the roads were not, I kept on forgetting where I need to be, especially when having to do a right turn I had to stop and think about which side I need to be on and which ways do I have to check for oncoming cars...

[intelligenzija]

@ GazB

my statement was exagerated of course. It was meant as a hyperbole, because after WW2 nobody wanted to be responsible, everybody "just got orders from somewhere else".
I don't like the shifting responsibility and card blanche mentality some people have. If they have the order to stop the protest - Ok - but it is in their hands whether they beat the **** out of the protestors or not. but that's another story.

The other thing is - why comparing this acutally to events in the USA? Unfortunately the USA cannot be a good example in such issues.
Police brutality is nothing extraordinary there.

[Mousepad]

Was watching protestors blogs, motivated one pic

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/motivator8533213.jpg

[GazB]

It was meant as a hyperbole, because after WW2 nobody wanted to be responsible, everybody "just got orders from somewhere else".
I don't like the shifting responsibility and card blanche mentality some people have. If they have the order to stop the protest - Ok - but it is in their hands whether they beat the **** out of the protestors or not. but that's another story.

You can tell a civilian to stop protesting and go home. Odds are they will not do it. You can shoot them. Or you can use physical force. If they resist then of course you have to subdue them. If they resist and try to "subdue" back... well you can work it out. I doubt the orders were "beat the sht out of these people". Normal procedure is to form a line and try to identify the agitators... the leaders who are stirring things up. You send a small group of police out to get those guys and drag them off to be arrested. They will generally have some form of protection organised. It is the same everywhere on Earth.


The other thing is - why comparing this acutally to events in the USA? Unfortunately the USA cannot be a good example in such issues.
Police brutality is nothing extraordinary there.

The US example represents the west. Like it or not. If the US is a democracy and not a police state. It is useful to compare.

[AK-Lover]

LOL love the arrest technique, four OMON per "suspect" and up he goes. But no use of the nightsticks, kinda "disappointed" by that. And how did they know who to arrest? It looks like they were selecting people randomly, stupid.

Anyway since were on this topic, here's how the Serbian Gendermerie acts proffesionally :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/6meNbnS9j-A

[LEGEND]

You can tell a civilian to stop protesting and go home. Odds are they will not do it. You can shoot them. Or you can use physical force. If they resist then of course you have to subdue them. If they resist and try to "subdue" back... well you can work it out. I doubt the orders were "beat the sht out of these people". Normal procedure is to form a line and try to identify the agitators... the leaders who are stirring things up. You send a small group of police out to get those guys and drag them off to be arrested. They will generally have some form of protection organised. It is the same everywhere on Earth.


They were just standing there... They are Russian citizens and its their city and they have a right to be there to view the New Year tree, judging from the video supplied they did not provoke the police, the were not causing a public disturbance. But I guess since they didn't have any pro-putin banners the "public" media will ferment news of something in the lines of that "they are greedy pro-western elements that put their own interests above that of Russia thus undermining Russian pass to glorious future..."

If its public disturbances as what is happening in Greece right now, where crowds are destroyed public and private property, throwing stones and petrol bombs I'm all for the use of OMON tactics, but here people were arrested and dragged away for simply being in a public place.

[Doublethinker]

OMON actions in Vladivostok will be checked during investigation

http://www.kommersant.ru/region/khabarovsk/page.htm?year=2008&issue=235&DocsID=1099146&section=227054

OMON not just attacked people who were standing, but also reporters, who were completely within legal bounds, reporting the event.

[Doublethinker]

Its common sense that if you live in Russia you don't piss off the government or its authorities.

What the **** is this crap you saying? That people should take the right of authorities to order to bash anyone's head in for granted and live in fear, instead of abiding the law?

Is that what you trying to say?

[Vympel]

My friend said that some serious people are upset by this OMON acts. It's good that that omon are not local one, becouse most likely some of them would end shot dead or tipicaly stabbed

[asch]

My friend said that some serious people are upset by this OMON acts. It's good that that omon are not local one, becouse most likely some of them would end shot dead or tipicaly stabbed
local OMON initially refused to take actions. for now we have a famous Zubr here, plus OMON from Perm. Permyaki are ok, participating in 20Dec protest, very professional and no beating.\
Zubr are fvckvits, jailguards who forgot how to interact with normal people. got "famous" here after 21 December. for now they stationed in local militia school barracks, and come up in city in large groups only (after some locals beat the sh*t out of 3 Zubrs who relaxing in some bar here).
it's interesting development now here. Putin, Medvedev, EdRo all ruling party related politics completely lost entire Far East (and maybe a big chunk of Siberia) after those protests. they do not survive next elections.

[Doublethinker]

So now the Magic Putin is turning Into Dr. Evil, asch?

So quickly? Some putin-fanboy you are, pfft.

[asch]

So now the Magic Putin is turning Into Dr. Evil, asch?
So quickly? Some putin-fanboy you are, pfft.
quote me, don't be shy, where i pledge my allegiance to Putin?

[Mousepad]

Putin, Medvedev, EdRo all ruling party related politics completely lost entire Far East (and maybe a big chunk of Siberia) after those protests. they do not survive next elections.

Damn you fast on the draw, my friend just brought Toyota Harrier, and recalculated it in new prices, it was only 1.2 K Euro more expensive, so we Siberia will stick with Mother Russia for a while, if you will remember 90-s jump in prices, because of customs fee, it was like in 3 or 4 times, correct me if i'm wrong, and wadayaknow still here.


Zubr are fvckvits, jailguards who forgot how to interact with normal people

Now, that's is disturbing, those who assigned jail-riot cops to civil-riot job must have a nice punch in face.

[asch]

Damn you fast on the draw, my friend just brought Toyota Harrier, and recalculated it in new prices, it was only 1.2 K Euro more expensive, so we Siberia will stick with Mother Russia for a while
hah, man, you take me wrong. ) we all citizens of Russia, i love this country and intentioned to live all my life here. it's just current government - we don't feel that b'tards take any of our interests into account. ever.
import fees is just last of idiotic government decisions that in sum make life here harder than ever. i suspect another wave of mass-migration to central Russia in a year or two, just like in 90's. things that bad.

[Mousepad]

hah, man, you take me wrong. ) we all citizens of Russia, i love this country and intentioned to live all my life here. it's just current government - we don't feel that b'tards take any of our interests into account. ever.
import fees is just last of idiotic government decisions that in sum make life here harder than ever. i suspect another wave of mass-migration to central Russia in a year or two, just like in 90's. things that bad.

Dude, sadly i don't see alternative for now, and fcking lost to see a good example around the globe :-(

[asch]

Dude, sadly i don't see alternative for now, and fcking lost to see a good example around the globe :-(
i have a damn nice alternative - don't vote for that b'tards next time.

fvck. we had a baby in plans, don't sure can afford it now.

[LEGEND]

http://www.youtube.com/v/Cs8vTxlVQA0&

The video mentions that a car that used to cost about 5k Euro, will cost almost 14k following the tax increase.

[Mousepad]

i have a damn nice alternative - don't vote for that b'tards next time.

fvck. we had a baby in plans, don't sure can afford it now.

Hehe, i have 3, if not them, i would've been drinking Mochito on Varadero beach, but damn those toddlers make my heart warm, even if i'm stuck for eternity on snow planes of Siberia.

[asch]

Hehe, i have 3, if not them, i would've been drinking Mochito on Varadero beach, but damn those toddlers make my heart warm, even if i'm stuck for eternity on snow planes of Siberia.
hey, Siberia not that bad. been there (around Baikal) beautiful and epic )

[Vympel]

i have a damn nice alternative - don't vote for that b'tards next time.

fvck. we had a baby in plans, don't sure can afford it now.

Why russian people still vote? What we expect?

[Doublethinker]

quote me, don't be shy, where i pledge my allegiance to Putin?

You flatter yourself - I don't write down after you.

[asch]

You flatter yourself - I don't write down after you.
Haha, whatever, dude. ;)

[MZKT]

hah, man, you take me wrong. ) we all citizens of Russia, i love this country and intentioned to live all my life here. it's just current government - we don't feel that b'tards take any of our interests into account. ever.
import fees is just last of idiotic government decisions that in sum make life here harder than ever. i suspect another wave of mass-migration to central Russia in a year or two, just like in 90's. things that bad.

Well, the citizens of Togliatti are surely thinking that russian government takes their interests into account.

Infact the decision of either leaving domestic industry without support in those hard times and having hundred thousands of GAZ/VAZ/KamAZ etc employees loosing their jobs or increasing customs fees to make foreign cars economically less feasible then domestic, is quite easy.

If nobody will buy russian cars the producers will not have the money to develop better vehicles and completely loose their market shares.

[asch]

Well, the citizens of Togliatti are surely thinking that russian government takes their interests into account.

Infact the decision of either leaving domestic industry without support in those hard times and having hundred thousands of GAZ/VAZ/KamAZ etc employees loosing their jobs or increasing customs fees to make foreign cars economically less feasible then domestic, is quite easy.

If nobody will buy russian cars the producers will not have the money to develop better vehicles and completely loose their market shares.
cry me a river. why auto industry (which spoon-feeded by feds anyway). why not agriculture or fisheries (which can make sort of economic boom in all Russia shores), why not industrial or energy sector? answer - just because it will help a group of people make a fortune in a short time (those 9 months).

couple of links.
http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2806674.html
http://alan-gutnov.livejournal.com/59712.html

[asch]

http://rutube.ru/tracks/1339775.html?v=3066731dc308d72ea0fac86e3d90ee47

a question about our events rising in state Duma.

linky: http://rutube.ru/tracks/1339775.html?v=3066731dc308d72ea0fac86e3d90ee47

[Musashi]

local OMON initially refused to take actions. for now we have a famous Zubr here, plus OMON from Perm. Permyaki are ok, participating in 20Dec protest, very professional and no beating.\
Zubr are fvckvits, jailguards who forgot how to interact with normal people. got "famous" here after 21 December. for now they stationed in local militia school barracks, and come up in city in large groups only (after some locals beat the sh*t out of 3 Zubrs who relaxing in some bar here).
PWNED :) Apparently bisons will be hated for long in Siberia p-)

it's interesting development now here. Putin, Medvedev, EdRo all ruling party related politics completely lost entire Far East (and maybe a big chunk of Siberia) after those protests. they do not survive next elections.
Putin will 'win' the next elections regardless if you like him or not. About '70 % of people will vote for him'.
BTW,
Who is EdRo?

[AlexMartin2]

BTW,
Who is EdRo?

Ed[inaja] Ro[ssia], United Russia, political party.

[Flamming_Python]

Putin will 'win' the next elections regardless if you like him or not. About '70 % of people will vote for him'.
BTW,
Who is EdRo?

So by those single quotations I take it that you're implying that the entire electoral system in Russia is rigged, that all the opinion polls showing 60-70% popularity ratings for Putin are all wrong and that he would actually lose the next elections against the much more popular... uh.... oh damn :bash:


Also asch it seems was talking just as much about parliamentary and regional elections (gubernatoral) as presidential, where ruling parties have greater chances of loosing power as compared to the presidential election.

[Musashi]

So by those single quotations I take it that you're implying that the entire electoral system in Russia is rigged, that all the opinion polls showing 60-70% popularity ratings for Putin are all wrong and that he would actually lose the next elections against the much more popular... uh.... oh damn :bash:
You misunderstood me. It's a reference to Medvedev, who won the election with the approval rate of 70% because Russian specialists came to conclusion "it's bad to achieve an approval rate of 90+% in civilised countries".
I am not denying Putin or Medvedev would win an election without cheating.
The same about Lukashenka - Polish specialists claim he could easily win an election without cheating. However it's commonly known he cheats.

[Vic Vega]

http://e-vestnik.bg/imgs/portreti_politici_world/adolf_%20putin.jpg

http://image029.mylivepage.com/chunk29/489986/308/vladimir.vladimirovich.ru.jpg

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/1/8519/8519315_edro_dela_big.jpg

[nsp]

Not this **** again:cantbeli:
Опять наслушался "Раббио Йеху Мойшквы" ?
И тебя кстати не заебало играть в "борцов с кровавым режимом"?

[Sumadinac]

http://e-vestnik.bg/imgs/portreti_politici_world/adolf_%20putin.jpg





There's no way you can compare Putin to Hitler.

[MZKT]

There's no way you can compare Putin to Hitler.

Considering Wprost is a polish newspaper not really surprising.

[m.i.t]

Are OMOH units police or soldiers ? l really dont understand why camo wearing are used by anti-riot units ... do they need low visiblity ?

[daily666]

Are OMOH units police or soldiers ? l really dont understand why camo wearing are used by anti-riot units ... do they need low visiblity ?

They need to be feared.




http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/1/8519/8519315_edro_dela_big.jpg

Could someone translate this? Thanks

[m.i.t]

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MP.net cereal killer

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Dude.this is your 6666 th posts... :D

But if you broke bones with batons also everybody have fear from you ...
Actually it disturb me this kind of police wearing ...Luckily No western country police wear those stupid wearing ...

[Kilgor]

There's no way you can compare Putin to Hitler.

Get used to it

We've had Bu$h=Hitler for years.

[Snoshi]

Could someone translate this? Thanks

Blue text (United Russia), red text(United Team)

Gryzlov quote
"I think that the voter will figure out and choose a party that shows its support of right of existence with real actions.

[RSCH12]

There's no way you can compare Putin to Hitler.

According to some people Putin is much worse.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/119/l1048751000ci3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img440/l1048751000ci3.jpg/1/]

[daily666]

Blue text (United Russia), red text(United Team)

Gryzlov quote
"I think that the voter will figure out and choose a party that shows its support of right of existence with real actions.

Thanks Snoshi!

[Vympel]

http://e-vestnik.bg/imgs/portreti_politici_world/adolf_%20putin.jpg

http://image029.mylivepage.com/chunk29/489986/308/vladimir.vladimirovich.ru.jpg

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/1/8519/8519315_edro_dela_big.jpg

Take Ak74, go to white house then to duma, shoot them all. We trust you

[sektor]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/post_new.gif 01-18-2009, 05:00 PM #68 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3851554&postcount=68) daily666 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=11906)



But if you broke bones with batons also everybody have fear from you ...
Actually it disturb me this kind of police wearing ...Luckily No western country police wear those stupid wearing ...

i dont see anything stupid about that camo ......

[Red_Rage]

According to some people Putin is much worse.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/119/l1048751000ci3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[url=http://g.imageshack.us/img440/l1048751000ci3.jpg/1/]


I think her and Condi would really hit it off. Both are angry lesbians, not so much because they want to be angry lesbians, but b/c no man would ever touch THAT. Both are Russophobes - one by choice, and the other's job description requires it. It could be a start of something beautiful :hug:


Polish magazine cover - BAD taste. No insight, no relevence, just plain offensive (even more so with holocaust pictures). Pasting Hitler's face into any person you disagree with shows no imagination, no respect, and no sense of history - it's only purpose is to push a point by causing really nagtive emotions in people (as opposed to engaging the brain). No editor in a respectable magazine would ever run something like that...but i guess they have different standards in Polish press. Here is an counterexample of what i consider a really good taste:

http://de.fishki.net/picsw/012009/14/gas/019.jpg

Current situation through a smart and captivating image with losts of insight.

[LEGEND]

Are OMOH units police or soldiers ? l really dont understand why camo wearing are used by anti-riot units ... do they need low visiblity ?

Even though its supposed to be a SWAT analogue because OMON stands for "Special Purpose Police Unit", they are used as combat units in places like Chechnya. So their attitude and aggressiveness are on the level of dealing with enemy combatants, not Russian civilians.

[User_Name]

http://e-vestnik.bg/imgs/portreti_politici_world/adolf_%20putin.jpg

What else would you expect from polish media, they have this inferior complex to Germany and Russia. And nazi themes are very popular there, to bashing german or russian politics.

[Vic Vega]

not this **** again:cantbeli:
Опять наслушался "Раббио Йеху Мойшквы" ?
И тебя кстати не заебало играть в "борцов с кровавым режимом"?

А тебе не надоело защищать своего хозяина, собачонка?

You are stupid nazi idiot. You don’t even understand that Putin is the best friend of Jewish oligarchs. But, I don’t blame you. You are the same brainwashed slave as all citizens of Russia.

[User_Name]

А тебе не надоело защищать своего хозяина, собачонка?

You are stupid nazi idiot. You don’t even understand that Putin is the best friend of Jewish oligarchs. But, I don’t blame you. You are the same brainwashed slave as all citizens of Russia.

Did i read nazi and jewisch friend in one sentence roflroflrofl

[non]

А тебе не надоело защищать своего хозяина, собачонка?

You are stupid nazi idiot. You don’t even understand that Putin is the best friend of Jewish oligarchs.
A psychopath ain't a professional.

[el pablo]

You don’t even understand that Putin is the best friend of Jewish oligarchs.
Can you tell why should anyone care about that?

[Switek]

http://e-vestnik.bg/imgs/portreti_politici_world/adolf_%20putin.jpg




There's no way you can compare Putin to Hitler.


What else would you expect from polish media, they have this inferior complex to Germany and Russia. And nazi themes are very popular there, to bashing german or russian politics.

Your inferior complex is coming true when you take such covers so literally. rofl. This weekly magazine try to provoke couse there's a big problem with lowering number of press readers in Poland (thanks to internet). The printed media fight to survive. Few more examples:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1099/ok1lg1.jpg

German Trojan horse

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4380/ok2kw0.jpg

To the last blood

(referring internal political conflict between President and PM)

http://media2.pl/i/zdjecie/186-450.jpg

Stepmother of the Europe.

[non]

Are the **** real?

[Vic Vega]

Can you tell why should anyone care about that?

You should read his post about Radio Echo of Moscow to understand.


Опять наслушался "Раббио Йеху Мойшквы" ?

[Vympel]

А тебе не надоело защищать своего хозяина, собачонка?

You are stupid nazi idiot. You don’t even understand that Putin is the best friend of Jewish oligarchs. But, I don’t blame you. You are the same brainwashed slave as all citizens of Russia.

If it helps to defeat hamas, why not?:hug:

[Vic Vega]

Not this **** again:cantbeli:
Опять наслушался "Раббио Йеху Мойшквы" ?
И тебя кстати не заебало играть в "борцов с кровавым режимом"?

He thinks that some Jews want to defeat Putin. He is just a stupid nazi and paranoiac.

[Vympel]

He thinks that some Jews want to defeat Putin. He is just a stupid nazi and paranoiac.

Russia is zionistic empire. Medvedev is a JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[el pablo]

Russia is zionistic empire. Medvedev is a JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone knows that. Who else would drink fresh Christian babies' blood for breakfast?

[Vympel]

Everyone knows that. Who else would drink fresh Christian babies' blood for breakfast?

The main thing , that there is no more cristians in Russia...:-(

[el pablo]

The main thing , that there is no more cristians in Russia...:-(
Oh c'mon.
I saw plenty of them today near the church.

[Alef]

The main thing , that there is no more cristians in Russia...:-(
cristians???

[User_Name]

Your inferior complex is coming true when you take such covers so literally. rofl
I´m not pole so i do not have one.p-)

[Vic Vega]

Russia is zionistic empire. Medvedev is a JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on! Chill out!

[Switek]

I´m not pole so i do not have one.p-)

Nope! You have. Otherwise you would never mention that. Stop living in denial.

[RSCH12]

He thinks that some Jews want to defeat Putin. He is just a stupid nazi and paranoiac.

You misunderstood him.
He told you to shut up, get out and take your emo bitching with you.
I recommed you to listen to him.

[Flamming_Python]

Nope! You have. Otherwise you would never mention that. Stop living in denial.

I know you are but what am I? :)

[Switek]

I know you are but what am I? :)

Dude, do you really feel a need to talk about? p-)

[Vic Vega]

You misunderstood him.
He told you to shut up, get out and take your emo bitching with you.
I recommed you to listen to him.

I dont want to listen to morons like you. Go and suck Putin's ****.

[Vympel]

Vic vega, make changes , don't bark.

[Vic Vega]

Vic vega, make changes , don't bark.

I just answered him.

[Vympel]

I just answered him.

ok, but we can all whine. I personaly want to kill 3 presidents and one minister from certain countries. But why do you spread anger? You should respect your country, as much you can, and look foward, Putin don't have future as president no more. But those kind of guys like Soros made Kasparov is not the choice. They will resell all country to interested people.

[Vic Vega]

ok, but we can all whine. I personaly want to kill 3 presidents and one minister from certain countries. But why do you spread anger? You should respect your country, as much you can, and look foward, Putin don't have future as president no more. But those kind of guys like Soros made Kasparov is not the choice. They will resell all country to interested people.

Putin have already resold Russia.

[Vympel]

He has Russia in his own hands

[Vic Vega]

He has Russia in his own hands

I meaned that he divided Russia with oligarchs.

[Vympel]

http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0025569/ Good news for our dolneboishiki

[AK-Lover]

I dont want to listen to morons like you. Go and suck Putin's ****.

Hehe, a quite interesting exchange to say the least.

[CPL Trevoga]

Considering Wprost is a polish newspaper not really surprising.

Everytime I see "Wrost" = "Worst". What the f*ck Wrost means, V Rost, growing?

[jaybe]

Everytime I see "Wrost" = "Worst". What the f*ck Wrost means, V Rost, growing?

Wprost - "Simply", "understandably", "in plain language"

[Switek]

Wprost - "Simply", "understandably", "in plain language"


I'd add "directly" as well.

[jaybe]

I'd add "directly" as well.
yeah
my Polish is not so good as years before

[Switek]

I underestand this :). My Russian is very bad now. I can only read.

[Doublethinker]

He has Russia in his own hands

Putin is but a hired CEO. its the BOARD that's making all the really crucial decisions, well, you-know-who, they were called 'Mafia' under Yeltsin.

[jaybe]

I underestand this :). My Russian is very bad now. I can only read.

Some offtopic
Do you know some GOOD polish-russian online dictionary? Now i'm translating some Polish poetry so good dictionary will be very useful

[Switek]

I goggled for a while and found only this:

http://www.kursy-online.pl/rosyjski/darmowe-slowniki-rosyjsko-polskie-polsko-rosyjskie/

http://www.jezyk-rosyjski.com/Rosyjski_w_praktyce/Slownik_polsko-rosyjski/Slownik_rosyjsko-polski_i_polsko-rosyjski.html

http://www.ling.pl/index.jsp?word=elektroniczny#dict104

http://portalwiedzy.onet.pl/tlumacz.html?tr=ros-auto

http://www.mtranslator.pl/?gclid=CIvz8sbunJgCFQ9WtAodmhmfng

Or you can PM me if you need assistance

[jaybe]

I goggled for a while and found only this:

http://www.kursy-online.pl/rosyjski/darmowe-slowniki-rosyjsko-polskie-polsko-rosyjskie/

http://www.jezyk-rosyjski.com/Rosyjski_w_praktyce/Slownik_polsko-rosyjski/Slownik_rosyjsko-polski_i_polsko-rosyjski.html

http://www.ling.pl/index.jsp?word=elektroniczny#dict104

http://portalwiedzy.onet.pl/tlumacz.html?tr=ros-auto

http://www.mtranslator.pl/?gclid=CIvz8sbunJgCFQ9WtAodmhmfng

Or you can PM me if you need assistance

Ok, i'll do that:)
One more offtopic - can you find for me good site with poetry of Krzysztof Kamil Baczynsky-i have a problem rhat i can not type special Polish letters so i can not google Polish sites

[Switek]

here you go

http://www.baczynski.art.pl/wiersze/

http://wpk.p.lodz.pl/~sebekmez/b/index.html

http://www.andreadoria.republika.pl/baczynski.html

[Arbody]

I underestand this :). My Russian is very bad now. I can only read.
eh my russian is getting worse , even guys from Kazahstan told me that my accent is from Pribaltica :roll: . About "Wprost" personally I like it even if it's straight anti-russian

[jaybe]

here you go

http://www.baczynski.art.pl/wiersze/

thanks:):):)

[Arbody]

here you go

http://www.baczynski.art.pl/wiersze/

http://wpk.p.lodz.pl/~sebekmez/b/index.html (http://wpk.p.lodz.pl/%7Esebekmez/b/index.html)

http://www.andreadoria.republika.pl/baczynski.html

unfortunly there is no my favorite one :)

"ELEGIA O... [CHŁOPCU POLSKIM] (Krzysztof Kamil Baczyński)

Oddzielili cię, syneczku, od snów, co jak motyl drżą,
haftowali ci, syneczku, smutne oczy rudą krwią,
malowali krajobrazy w żółte ściegi pożóg,
wyszywali wisielcami drzew płynące morze.

Wyuczyli cię, syneczku, ziemi twej na pamięć,
gdyś jej ścieżki powycinał żelaznymi łzami.
Odchowali cię w ciemności, odkarmili bochnem trwóg,
przemierzyłeś po omacku najwstydliwsze z ludzkich dróg.

I wyszedłeś, jasny synku, z czarną bronią w noc,
i poczułeś, jak się jeży w dźwięku minut - zło.
Zanim padłeś, jeszcze ziemię przeżegnałeś ręką.
Czy to była kula, synku, czy to serce pękło?"

[Vic Vega]

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/241284.html

Translation of polish article. It is quite stupid, but very funny.

Статья дерьмовая, но зато, смешная. Некоторые журналисты перегибают палку в критике.

[Arbody]

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/241284.html

Translation of polish article. It is quite stupid, but very funny.

Статья дерьмовая, но зато, смешная. Некоторые журналисты перегибают палку в критике.
belive me few years ago I worked for polish media , from that time if someone says that our media is biased and undemocratic , what can I say rotfl p-)

[Switek]

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/241284.html

Translation of polish article. It is quite stupid, but very funny.

Статья дерьмовая, но зато, смешная. Некоторые журналисты перегибают палку в критике.

Again... You took his too literally. This is not article itself but a kind of topical written by columnist who share his own opinion. The aim wasn't to discredit Russia but indicate disproportions between political ambitions and social problems.

The same like in Poland. We export our military worldwide ;) and some key internal problems are not solved yet.

Anyway, in every exaggeration you can find a core of truth... regrettably.

[Mousepad]

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/241284.html

Translation of polish article. It is quite stupid, but very funny.

Статья дерьмовая, но зато, смешная. Некоторые журналисты перегибают палку в критике.

Hehe. When, let's say, British newspaper writes something unpleasant about Russia, it tries to bring portion of feces kinda witty and on a silver plate, but in case of Russo-Polish, manure-throwing contest, "Shltball" must be the size of "Sputnik" and you must hear splash in Warsaw, when it lands in Moscow, same goes vice-versa. It's normal thing - favorite passtime in both countries, when not moaning and groaning about they own govts. I personally, when not b/tching about - "How our all-caring government invented new, ninja ways, of getting in my ass without lube", love to indulge myself in never ending "Hohlosratch", it's a good way to lift morale, and healthy trolling in one pack.

[Musashi]

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/241284.html

Translation of polish article. It is quite stupid, but very funny.

Статья дерьмовая, но зато, смешная. Некоторые журналисты перегибают палку в критике.
Any link to the original article?

[Arbody]

Any link to the original article?

here from his blog , presonally i drinked with him he is an assh0le p-) but I like his books
http://blog.rp.pl/ziemkiewicz/2008/05/11/kulturnyj-narod/

[Flamming_Python]

Putin is but a hired CEO. its the BOARD that's making all the really crucial decisions, well, you-know-who, they were called 'Mafia' under Yeltsin.

Well whoever it is they are doing a pretty good job so far :)

[Doublethinker]

Well whoever it is they are doing a pretty good job so far :)

2 millions already lost jobs
way to go!

[Arbody]

2 millions already lost jobs
way to go!
If I ever lost my job the only person that I should blame it's me

[Doublethinker]

If I ever lost my job the only person that I should blame it's me

You are silly to think so.

when economy is on decline no point in blaming yourself

[Arbody]

You are silly to think so.

when economy is on decline no point in blaming yourself
No I'm not it's silly blame someone because you are loser and just lost your job

[Doublethinker]

No I'm not it's silly blame someone because you are loser and just lost your job

yawn. grow up

[Vympel]

^^ x2
Same things happens everywhere. I doubt that workers are responsible for bancrupcies, reducements and etc.:)

[Vympel]

No I'm not it's silly blame someone because you are loser and just lost your job

So there is no crysis in Poland yes?

[Arbody]

yawn. grow up

already did

[Arbody]

So there is no crysis in Poland yes?
No it's i feel it :) in my branch

[Switek]

^^ x2
Same things happens everywhere. I doubt that workers are responsible for bancrupcies, reducements and etc.:)


No they aren't but they are responsible to mange with problems and find new, sometimes worse job.

[Vympel]

No they aren't but they are responsible to mange with problems and find new, sometimes worse job.

I know, but tell that to mister perfect worker

[Arbody]

I know, but tell that to mister perfect worker

I'm not a perfect worker I'm lazy arogant assh0le but very useful assh0le p-)