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Afro-European
12-29-2008, 11:54 AM
Live on Cnn.
Shouldn't these people protesting against Hamas that started this mess?

dindin
12-29-2008, 11:55 AM
welcome to reality

jameshr4
12-29-2008, 11:56 AM
Wouldn't call it massive only 300-500 according to the BBC and Police.

Israel protest at London embassy

Protesters have gathered outside the Israeli embassy in west London to demonstrate against Israel's air raids on Gaza.

The BBC's Colette McBeth said there was "at least 500, perhaps more" people waving placards and making noise outside the embassy.

The road outside was blocked and traffic was at a standstill, she added.

Ten people were arrested for public order offences at a similar protest held there on Sunday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7803733.stm

Jobu
12-29-2008, 11:58 AM
One protester for every rocket Hamas fired into Israel before they decided to hit back.

Hollis
12-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Live on Cnn.
Shouldn't these people protesting against Hamas that started this mess?


It is a strange part of human psychology that they don't. Part is continuous perpetuation of the belief that Israel is the aggressor, Hamas is a legitimate organization of resistance, and ??? 60 years of dissemination is hard to change.

Then there are just the plain emotional parts, how can anyone say the killing of innocent people is OK. Combat naturally creates it's own reasons for perpetuation of the violence. Maybe that is why, the human race will continue to war with each other.

Red-Phos
12-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Im glad all our Hippie's are in the south.I dont think they should be protesting at all,its got nothing to do with us.Dont think Isreal etc Protested about The Troubles.

Afro-European
12-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Wouldn't call it massive only 300-500 according to BBC and Police.
Humm i'm following it on CNN.Anyhow this protest isn't gonna solve anything.US,EU,Russia,Arab leaders and the Palestinian authority(read mahmoud Abbas) should sit down and find a way our.

Mr. Nielsen
12-29-2008, 12:09 PM
It is a strange part of human psychology that they don't. Part is continuous perpetuation of the belief that Israel is the aggressor, Hamas is a legitimate organization of resistance, and ??? 60 years of dissemination is hard to change.Since it is Israel that are occupying palestinian territory, and have been doing it for some time, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Israel is also blamed by many for the conflict.

The Dane
12-29-2008, 12:10 PM
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo145/heinebilleder/kscn120l.jpg

Afro-European
12-29-2008, 12:14 PM
Since it is Israel that are occupying palestinian territory, and have been doing it for some time, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Israel is also blamed by many for the conflict.
Israel is blamedby people in the streets but not by the Western leaders who have the say.

The Dane
12-29-2008, 12:18 PM
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo145/heinebilleder/a1-1.jpg

Mr.Flint
12-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Since it is Israel that are occupying palestinian territory, and have been doing it for some time, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Israel is also blamed by many for the conflict.
Yeah nevermind the reasons, nevermind who paved the road for that happening...

You ISMers are such a sorry bunch....

Mr.Flint
12-29-2008, 12:21 PM
Americans rejoice! She is leaving for Gaza! rofl


Free Gaza boat will try to reach Strip



A group of international activists said it would defy an Israeli blockade and send a boat with medical supplies (javascript:void(0)) to Gaza from Cyprus.

Free Gaza activists set sail from the Cypriot port of Larnaca in August.
Photo: AP

Slideshow: Pictures of the week (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1230456513535#)


Free (javascript:void(0)) Gaza Group spokeswoman Caoimhe Butterly said their 20-meter yacht Dignity would leave Larnaca port around 5 p.m. (1400GMT) Monday with 3.5 tons of donated supplies.
She said the yacht would carry 16 passengers, including former US Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney, Cypriot lawmaker and doctor Eleni Theocharous and activists from Britain, Australia, Ireland and Tunisia.
Butterly said the urgent need to deliver aid requested by Gaza authorities "outweighs the risks" of entering a war zone.
Free Gaza has successfully made five deliveries of aid by boat from Larnaca to Gaza over the past four months.

WarDancer
12-29-2008, 12:23 PM
Does Cynthia McKinney have any relevance anymore? Did she ever?

ggk
12-29-2008, 12:25 PM
googling Cynthia Mckinney .......

Bruisercruiser
12-29-2008, 12:27 PM
She is one crazy mofo.

WarDancer
12-29-2008, 12:27 PM
googling Cynthia Mckinney .......

Hope you dont download any viruses into your PC!

Mr.Flint
12-29-2008, 12:27 PM
Does Cynthia McKinney have any relevance anymore? Did she ever?
Not really, but im certainly many will be glad to see her leaving :)

ggk
12-29-2008, 12:29 PM
she have one awfull hair

Euroamerican
12-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Hopefully she'll join some sit-down protests in front of Israeli bulldozers.

LineDoggie
12-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Come on Giant Squid, if ever there was a time to attack a boat......

and this one has more nuts than Squirrel Shidt

Partial_Panel
12-29-2008, 01:06 PM
This could work...
She'll be there less than a day, and Hamas will come flying out of their ratholes, yelling '"WE SURRENDER!!!! GET THIS SHRIEKING B*TCH AWAY FROM US. WE LOVE ISRAEL!!!HAPPY HANNUKAH!!SHALOM!!"

Connaught Ranger
12-29-2008, 01:08 PM
Torpedoes los!

BloodyTalon
12-29-2008, 01:58 PM
she have one awfull hair
That's not even the half of it. During her tenure as congresswoman she done the following:

. Pressed a bill demanding that the government release alleged secret documents concerning the death of Tupac.

. Claimed that the US military was mixing cluster bombs with humanitarian aide in Afghanistan

. Attacked DC cops

. Claimed that the US government was responsible for the secret execution of 5000 convicts in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. Her evidence? An alleged cell phone call.

How the hell she was able to get elected (twice!) is a mystery.

deagle
12-29-2008, 02:17 PM
who the hell is that ?

Albatross
12-29-2008, 02:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

She is a feckin moron. She will probably wear a Che shirt.

timetraveller
12-29-2008, 02:28 PM
Live on Cnn.
Shouldn't these people protesting against Hamas that started this mess?


You get bigger crowds attending Tiesto In Concert ... events

Bia
12-29-2008, 02:34 PM
I was watching a Hammas leader/spokesperson (whatever) on the news a short while ago he was literally crying about Israel attacks and in same sentence promised continued rocket attacks into Israel.

I predict the sun burns out before a compromise is found.

BearInBunnySuit
12-29-2008, 02:35 PM
Come on Giant Squid, if ever there was a time to attack a boat......

and this one has more nuts than Squirrel Shidt

LOL @ giant squid.

timetraveller
12-29-2008, 02:41 PM
It is a strange part of human psychology that they don't. Part is continuous perpetuation of the belief that Israel is the aggressor, Hamas is a legitimate organization of resistance, and ??? 60 years of dissemination is hard to change.

Then there are just the plain emotional parts, how can anyone say the killing of innocent people is OK. Combat naturally creates it's own reasons for perpetuation of the violence. Maybe that is why, the human race will continue to war with each other.


Some Protestors are like Football hooligans they do it for the buzz , they feel it's right etc .

Protesting on such things attracts the type of protests that get a buzz about it , Yet there never once was ever an Anti IRA marches on the streets , Yes you will get Pro IRA marches again they are few and far between ..which soley attracts another crowd which at times few skrimishes , nowt major

And look at the type of protestors that protest at ever G8 Summit ever yr .

timetraveller
12-29-2008, 02:43 PM
Yeah nevermind the reasons, nevermind who paved the road for that happening...

You ISMers are such a sorry bunch....

I remember you had your own tv series ...

"Our Man Flint "

timetraveller
12-29-2008, 02:49 PM
welcome to reality


Yes welcome the reality of democracy ,

timetraveller
12-29-2008, 02:51 PM
She is like a Z list Pleb looking to keep her name in the Spotlight ...


The same applies for all those plebs that want to appear on BB whom want to crave Media attention ...........

3rdMillhouse
12-29-2008, 02:55 PM
Who the fck is this woman?

walford
12-29-2008, 03:30 PM
HAMAS knows that they will not be held responsible for endangering their own women and children by hiding amongst them when they fire rockets/mortars.

They hope that their own civilians will be hurt as a result, because they have every reason to expect to successfully flog these losses for political capital.

Westerners who play into this are more to blame than the terrorists who perpetrate the carnage. By creating an incentive to continue this, Western apologists have the lion’s share of innocent blood on their hands.

EDIT: this just in


Greek paper: World Jewish plutocracy behind Gaza strife, global financial crisis (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050953.html)

A daily newspaper in Greece has blamed Jews both for the world financial crisis and the Israeli operation in Gaza, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported this week.

"After the American Jews acquired once again the world's wealth and plunged the planet into an unprecedented financial crisis, they started rehearsing for WWIII," JTA quoted the Avriani newspaper's front-page headline as reading Sunday.

"Midway through the paper's story on Israel's operation in Gaza, the story, under the heading 'The Plan,' explains that a Jewish plutocracy, having made the 'wealth of the century at the expense of the economies of the world,' is preparing to put in motion 'war machines' in various hot spots around the world in order to control the price of oil, redistribute the world's natural resources and start a new cycle of weapons production," JTA said.

The paper also blamed U.S. President-elect Barack Obama for "playing dead" in the present crisis by not saying anything against the Jews, urging him to prove that he is not owned by the Jewish lobby.

The day that Obama was elected president, the paper ran a headline that said, "The end of Jewish domination. Everything changes in the U.S.A. and we hope that it will be more democratic and humane," drawing the ire of Jewish groups," JTA reported.

LineDoggie
12-29-2008, 04:23 PM
Cause and Effect, something these Hamas cats will never get, nor their Lickspittles in the West.

LordKitchener
12-29-2008, 04:37 PM
The crowd looked to be composed of Muslims and lefty students. The lefty students offend me more.

Carib
12-29-2008, 06:03 PM
I hope the boat either sinks or gets hit by a Palestinian rocket

Surf City
12-29-2008, 06:26 PM
being a black woman while in Congress......blah...

Oh yeah, she claimed to also be a victim of racism by Capital Police whom she assaulted in the first place, the people of Georgia must be so proud! Here's her card:

Walter Sobchak
12-29-2008, 06:43 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

She is a feckin moron. She will probably wear a Che shirt.

I think that if Che was alive, he'd wear a Cynthia McKinney shirt! They were/are both World-class phonies...

Mastermind
12-29-2008, 06:52 PM
This little "yacht" needs to just...vanish...missing without a trace in the great Gaza Triangle.

Mastermind
12-29-2008, 06:55 PM
300 to 400 protestors...now that's a movement right there!

Where is Arlo Guthri when you need him?

kool_kruiser
12-29-2008, 08:55 PM
protest in london...over israeli operations in gaza.......now y doesnt that surprise me......

Mr.Flint
12-29-2008, 09:24 PM
From a protest in Manhattan... open for captioning :|:cantbeli:rofl

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/20081229NYDeathJuice.jpg

little icebear
12-29-2008, 09:33 PM
From a protest in Manhattan... open for captioning :|:cantbeli:rofl

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/20081229NYDeathJuice.jpg

You tell´em Bro! Fxck Juice! We want Booze!

Xaito
12-29-2008, 09:39 PM
it seems to the spectator the stronger one always looks like the bully even if the other started it.

LaoSexMachine
12-29-2008, 09:45 PM
Iran Hardliners Register Volunteers to Fight Israel

A Group of Iranian Hard-line Clerics Is Signing up Volunteers to Fight in Gaza

*******

TEHRAN

A group of Iranian hard-line clerics is signing up volunteers to fight in the Gaza Strip in response to Israel's air strikes that have killed at least 300 Palestinians, a news agency reported on Monday.
"From Monday the Combatant Clergy Society has activated its website www.rohaniatmobarez.com for a week to register volunteers to fight against the Zionist regime (Israel) in either the military, financial or propaganda fields," the semi-official Fars news agency said.
Israel patrols the coastal waters around Gaza and has declared areas around the enclave a "closed military zone."
The hard-line Iranian group, which is headed by some leading clergy, says it has no affiliation with the government and was formed shortly after Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world on Sunday, ordering them to defend Palestinians in Gaza against Israeli attacks "in any way possible."
A religious decree is an official statement by a high-ranking religious leader that commands Muslims to carry out its message. While there is no religious and legal force behind it, Khamenei is respected by many Iranian and non-Iranian Shi'ites.
Iran refuses to recognize Israel, which accuses Tehran of supplying Hamas Islamists with weapons. Iran denies the claim, saying it only provides moral support to the group.
Israel said the strikes, that have killed 307 Palestinians, were launched in response to almost daily rocket and mortar fire from the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip after the Islamist Hamas group ended a six-month ceasefire a week ago.
Fars said the hard-line group provided volunteers with a registration document called "Registration form for dispatching volunteers to Gaza." It said more than 1,100 people so far had registered for military service against Israel.
Khamenei said on Sunday that whoever was killed in the fight to defend Palestinians was "considered a martyr."
Iran will send its first ship carrying aid to the Gaza Strip on Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi said.
"Iran has dispatched its first plane load of aid, including medicine, to Gaza on Sunday. The second cargo is on the verge of being dispatched," Qashqavi told reporters on Monday. "The first aircraft arrived in Egypt last night."
Israel, which patrols the coastal waters around Gaza, tightened its blockade of the Gaza Strip two years ago after Hamas won a parliamentary election.
The Jewish state turned back a Libyan ship from delivering humanitarian supplies to Gaza earlier this month.
Tens of thousands of Iranians protested on Monday to condemn the Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, which began with air strikes on Saturday.
Protesters burned Israeli and U.S. flags and demanded a stronger response from international organizations to stop Israel's raids, a ******* witness said.
They also called on Islamic countries to boycott "Zionist companies."
(Reporting by Hossein Jaseb; Writing by Parisa Hafezi; Editing by Richard Balmforth)


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=6539982

LineDoggie
12-29-2008, 10:07 PM
From a protest in Manhattan... open for captioning :|:cantbeli:rofl

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/20081229NYDeathJuice.jpghttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/poster33568836.jpg

TheSteve
12-30-2008, 12:22 AM
I was pretty disappointed when the green party nominated her this year because I like the party a lot. I'd say I'm a hardcore liberal but for gods sake, shes wack.

khaz
12-30-2008, 01:07 AM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/poster33568836.jpg


Oh WOW, now that is too funny.

Ghelp
12-30-2008, 01:10 AM
Hahahhahaa

Connaught Ranger
12-30-2008, 04:44 AM
Seems like somebody got their "Dignity" a little dentedrofl

helomech
12-30-2008, 04:58 AM
Amusing,no one listens to her in the US so maybe she's looking a different audience to ramble on to

She's a fvcking idiot from the get-go

Ozzy[NO]
12-30-2008, 06:05 AM
Protests outside the Israeli embassy in Oslo, Norway as well. Leftist muppets and muslims in a "beautiful relationship". Ironically they fired firework at the embassy, I guess these punks would fit right into the ranks of Hamas...

Ozzy[NO]
12-30-2008, 06:12 AM
I've sent my pet Kraken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken) down south, hopefully it'll get there in time

lightfire
12-30-2008, 06:14 AM
It all makes sense.. :|

http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/images/cynthia_mckinney.jpg

TheSteve
12-30-2008, 09:22 AM
Well at this rate, 60ish Palestinians and 3 Israelis (Civilians of course), I think Israeli will win the battle of attrition.

Great avatar Mr.Flint.

walford
12-30-2008, 09:29 AM
Jeez, I can't believe what would have happened if some of those rockets and mortars actually killed an Israeli.They have and they do. Imagine if the Israelis started lobbing rockets into Gaza like that.

I love how the Arabs are calling this a massacre or even a genocide. If the IDF really wanted to massacre the people in Gaza, I think there would be more than a few hundred dead. Even the Arabs and their apologists admit that most of the casualties are HAMAS militants and operatives.

Gaza is a pus-pocket that needs to be drained every now and then. I strongly recommend against any re-occupation and don't think it is likely. HAMAS obviously needs to be kept busy, so that is what's happening.

They don't negotiate in good faith. Those who are calling for another truce know full well that HAMAS will violate it. They expect Israel to take and take and take these attacks with no response.

Bollocks.


Well at this rate, 60ish Palestinians and 3 Israelis (Civilians of course), I think Israeli will win the battle of attrition.
I don't think so. Gaza has one of the highest birthrates and population growth rates in the world. Strange how the crappier the place is, the more people want to bring babies to live in it.

TheSteve
12-30-2008, 09:41 AM
Its upsetting that so many Palististian civlians end up dying though. Don't think for a second that I believe HAMAS is rational and can negotiate. From the times:

Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way.
In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head.
Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Sometimes it seems though, HAMAS is lobbing rocks at a giant, and everything and everyone around them gets smashed along with them.

RICHICOQUI
12-30-2008, 09:45 AM
Her got boat ram!!p-) http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

vor033
12-30-2008, 10:02 AM
Its funny isnt it that certain elements in the west (the so called liberals) and the arab countries always seem to forget that after the 1948 war of independance, Jordan occupied all of the west bank and Egypt the Gaza strip ! and during all the time they did so never mentioned the idea of setting up a so called Palatinian State in these areas!

And it was only after Israel yet again beat the crap out of the combined Arab Armies and occupied these areas that they started spouting on about a Free Palestine !

Of course all this isnt helped by the fact Isreal is the ONLY democracy in the Middle east, and gives its people things like Freedom of Speech, the right to Vote and to live in a free country.

And what other country can they name that would sit back and let terrorists fire over 6000 rockets into their country over a 6 year period and do nothing about it ???

If people want to protest about problems in the middle east, how about Saudi Arabia and the way it treats its women ? How Iran ? how about Syria ? how about Jordan and Egypt ??

We in the west should support Isreal to our fullest extent and stop having a go at Israeli politicians and second guessing them when they are trying to protect their people !

Sorry for the rant but the anti Isreali bias on TV really makes me really angry :bash:

walford
12-30-2008, 10:02 AM
Its upsetting that so many Palististian civlians end up dying though. Don't think for a second that I believe HAMAS is rational and can negotiate. From the times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Sometimes it seems though, HAMAS is lobbing rocks at a giant, and everything and everyone around them gets smashed along with them.That's what they want. As I said earlier, HAMAS hopes that their own women and children are killed as a result of their rocket/mortar attacks.

So long as enough Westerners will not hold them accountable for putting their people in danger, so long as HAMAS and their ilk can expect to draw political capital when their women and children are killed as a response to their savagery, the blood-letting will continue.

This is why I put the blame for this squarely at the doorstep of Western apologists who reward terrorism with their sympathy, justifications and excuses.

Connaught Ranger
12-30-2008, 10:17 AM
It all makes sense.. :|

http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/images/cynthia_mckinney.jpg

WTF! she looks like an outcast from the Bony M line uprofl

Connaught Ranger
12-30-2008, 10:18 AM
Her goat got ramed!!p-) http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Is that what you meant? if so fixed it for ya!!!woot

marius
12-30-2008, 11:16 AM
If we really wanted the violence to stop, the EU and the US could stop supporting the Palestinians with money, food and medicine - left without aid the motivation for negotiations would probably be more sincere.

As long as we feed them, we will produce more extremists - they are not grateful, they do not turn to democracy, they do not like us.

annihilation
12-30-2008, 11:26 AM
This little "yacht" needs to just...vanish...missing without a trace in the great Gaza Triangle.


Or Somali pirates pick them up :)

walford
12-30-2008, 11:28 AM
“Our mission was a peaceful mission. Our mission was thwarted by the aggressiveness of the Israeli military.”

If you attempt to break a blockade while military operations are in progress -- and attempt to deliver ANYTHING to a group that is lobbing rockets/mortars to kill civilians -- that is an act of war. She got off easy.

McKinney had sent an e-mail days ago to friends and supporters saying she intended to go to Gaza, said Hugh Esco, a Decatur resident who ran her presidential campaign Web site. “She has stood with people all over this planet against oppression,” said Esco.

Tell you what, when we start hearing of her standing with people being oppressed by the likes of North Korea, Syria, Cuba, Iran, etc., perhaps that claim will have some credibility. It is no accident that Cynthia McKinney will always refuse to take a stand against tyrannical regimes that hate the United States.

kool_kruiser
12-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Or Somali pirates pick them up :)


this is one ship i wouldnt have minded the somali's hijackingp-)

Walter Sobchak
12-30-2008, 03:37 PM
“Our mission was a peaceful mission. Our mission was thwarted by the aggressiveness of the Israeli military.”

I see ol' Cindy working... As usual, it's all about HER.They (really, she) were on the way to FIX this thing, and them bad Israelis started this war to thwart those efforts!So long Nobel Prize...

LineDoggie
12-30-2008, 04:54 PM
Cindy got much of her funding through arab sources, so its hardly a surprise where her loyalties lie....



http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00256354/124538/sa/ALL

Some of these contributors run openly Pro-Hamas groups here in the USA.

the39steps
12-30-2008, 06:51 PM
Join now and claim your free Gaza!
If she's so "with" the oppressed, has she said anything about the poor people of Zimbabwe?

Bia
12-30-2008, 07:04 PM
“Our mission was a peaceful mission. Our mission was thwarted by the aggressiveness of the Israeli military.”

If you attempt to break a blockade while military operations are in progress -- and attempt to deliver ANYTHING to a group that is lobbing rockets/mortars to kill civilians -- that is an act of war. She got off easy.

McKinney had sent an e-mail days ago to friends and supporters saying she intended to go to Gaza, said Hugh Esco, a Decatur resident who ran her presidential campaign Web site. “She has stood with people all over this planet against oppression,” said Esco.

Tell you what, when we start hearing of her standing with people being oppressed by the likes of North Korea, Syria, Cuba, Iran, etc., perhaps that claim will have some credibility. It is no accident that Cynthia McKinney will always refuse to take a stand against tyrannical regimes that hate the United States.It's all a ruse... she LOVES to travel and the pomp and ceremony of status. And of course... asshats always pay her way. I am calling shenanigans on her motives.
:P

G-AWZT
12-30-2008, 07:21 PM
A wacky knee slapping adventure led by the craziest most insane ex senator you've ever seen...............coming soon to a theatre near you.

Dan2004
12-30-2008, 07:38 PM
Too bad the Israelis missed when they opened up on her. p-)

LEB101
12-30-2008, 10:33 PM
why didnt they do this when lebanese was geting attack . oh ya thats becuase they already had hezbollah fighting

Bia
12-30-2008, 11:03 PM
Would these guys enter through Syria, Jordan, Lebanon...all 3... none, another way?
Would they go through Iraq or go around? What route?

apadana
12-31-2008, 01:09 AM
Would these guys enter through Syria, Jordan, Lebanon...all 3... none, another way?
Would they go through Iraq or go around? What route?
They are going no where. Its just for a political show.

Cstafford
12-31-2008, 01:13 AM
and this is how that war starts. damn

Fage
01-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Demonstrators Decry Israeli Bombardment Of Gaza Strip As Radical Muslims Call For Holy War; Arrests In India, Russia, Egypt

Jan. 2, 2009
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/01/02/image4695944g.jpg
Demonstrators hold banners and flags during a protest against Israel's attacks on the Gaza Strip in front of the Israeli embassy in Bern, Switzerland, Jan. 2, 2009. (AP Photo/Keystone, Marcel Bieri)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/01/02/image4695946g.jpg
Muslim protesters march during a rally against Israeli military strikes against the Gaza Strip, in Jakarta, Indonesia, Jan. 2, 2009. At least 10,000 were in attendance. (AP Photo/Achmad Ibrahim)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/01/02/image4695945g.jpg
Kashmiri Muslim protesters throw stones at Indian paramilitary soldiers during a protest against the ongoing bombing raids in Gaza, in Srinagar, India, Jan. 2, 2009. (AP Photo/Dar Yasin)

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Israeli riot police run after Palestinian stone throwers outside Jerusalem's old city, during a protest against Israel's military operation in Gaza, Jan. 2, 2009. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/01/02/image4695953g.jpg
Turkish women pray outside of the Beyazit mosque in Istanbul, Turkey, Jan. 2, 2009. Some 5,000 people denounced the raids outside a mosque in Istanbul after Friday prayers, burning Israeli and U.S. flags and reciting funeral prayers for the victims. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)

(CBS/AP) Protests against the Israeli bombardment of the Hamas-run Palestinian territory, now in its seventh day, have swept several Mideast capitals and other major cities worldwide as demonstrator condemn Israel's air strikes which have killed more than 400 and wounded about 1,700 others.

More than 10,000 Muslims marched through Indonesia's capital on Friday to protest the ongoing bombing raids in Gaza, aiming fake missiles labeled "Target: Tel Aviv, Israel" at the U.S. Embassy.

Men, women and children attending the rally in Jakarta organized by the Islamic-based Justice and Prosperity Party waved Indonesian and Palestinian flags and shouted "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is great."

Many wore traditional white robes and held banners that read: "Save Palestine from Israel, the terrorist." They marched to the U.S. Embassy, which was guarded by hundreds of police.

"President-elect (Barack) Obama, we're watching you," party leader Tifatul Sembiring told the crowd. "If you want peace in the world, change the U.S. attitude toward Israel, don't support
Israel."

Police estimated that at least 10,000 people were at the demonstration in Jakarta, but Associated Press reporters at the scene said the numbers were much higher.

Protests were also held after Friday prayers in other Indonesian cities, in what was the largest turnout since Israel began the operation last Saturday, intended to end weeks of intensifying rocket fire from Gaza.

The vast majority of Indonesian Muslims practice a moderate form of Islam. Although they support the creation of a Palestinian state, most oppose violence against Israel.

Iranian Protestors Label Gaza Bombardment A "Real Holocaust"

Emotions in Mideast capitals, where demonstrations began shortly after Friday prayers, were hotter. Similar protests have been held daily in Tehran, Cairo, Amman and Damascus since Israel launched its bombing campaign last Saturday, but these gatherings were larger - mainly because Friday prayers are a traditional opportunity for Muslims to assemble in great numbers.

In Tehran, a crowd of about 6,000 stretching for a half-mile marched from prayers at Tehran University to Palestine Square, chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" and burning Israeli flags

They also carried banners reading: "Don't kill Children" and "Real Holocaust is happening in Gaza," while some vowed to "fight and defend Gaza."

Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, one of Iran's most powerful politician-clerics, said in a sermon to several thousand worshippers that an Israeli military defeat in Gaza would be a "scandal" for its government and that, even if the Hamas government there collapses, Palestinian "resistance" will only expand.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki warned Israel that entering Gaza "by land will be the biggest mistake of the Zionist regime." He vowed Israel would be "defeated" in a ground attack.

Iran is a major backer of Hamas, giving it millions of dollars. Israel and the U.S. accuse Iran of providing the Palestinian militant group with newer, more sophisticated rockets, but Tehran denies arming the group.

In his prayer sermon, Rafsanjani said Hamas had a new anti-tank weapon that it had not used before but would unleash if Israel ground troops move in, but he did not elaborate.

In Srinagar, capital of Indian Kashmir, hundreds of protesters fought pitched battles with security forces on Friday while protesting against the continuing Israeli raids on Gaza.

The protesters gathered outside the Jamia mosque after Friday prayers and burnt Israeli and American flags while shouting anti-Israel slogans.

Protesters pelted stones at the security forces who charged at them with batons and tear gas.

U.S.-allied Arab governments like Egypt fear that Hamas and the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah are giving a foothold for Iran. They have been critical of Hamas - which took over Gaza in 2007 in battles with loyalists of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas - and of Syria for backing its allies Iran and Hamas.

Pro-U.S. governments have been wary about protests at home over Israel's Gaza assault, which Israel says is aimed at silencing Hamas rockets.

In Jordan, police fired volleys of tear gas and scuffled with dozens of protesters who tried to push through a barrier to reach the Israeli Embassy in Amman. A few of the protesters threw stones at police, but the security forces dispersed the group, arresting several.

Hundreds more protesters marched peacefully nearby the embassy, calling for its closure and the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador. Jordan and Egypt are the only two Arab countries with peace agreements and diplomatic relations with Israel.

Egypt clamped down hard to prevent protests Friday. Hundreds of riot police surrounded Cairo's main Al-Azhar Mosque, where a rally had been called, and scuffled with would-be protesters, keeping most from approaching.

At another Cairo mosque dominated by the opposition Muslim Brotherhood, police set up security checkpoints and inspected worshippers' ID cards. Around the capital, police arrested 40 members of the Brotherhood, which had called for pro-Gaza rallies.

In the southern Cairo suburb of Maadi, one mosque preacher called for holy war for Gaza and several protesters marched nearby, shouting: "Let us go to jihad," or holy war.

More than 3,000 people marched in solidarity with Gaza in the northern Sinai city of el-Arish, Egypt's closest city to Gaza. On the border, dozens of Sinai Bedouins raced around in cars in the town of Rafah, firing their guns into the air.

In Syria, some 2,000 marched in Damascus' Palestinian refugee camp of Yarmouk, carrying Palestinian flags and chanting "Jihad will unite us," and later burned an Israeli flag.

In Sudan, thousands marched in downtown Khartoum from mosques to the main Martyrs Square, urging Muslims to jihad and denouncing Israel and America.

Small protests erupted as well in the Palestinian territories. In an Arab neighborhood of east Jerusalem, a group of youths threw stones and smashed large blocks while Israeli anti-riot police on horseback dispersed them.

Three dozen Palestinian women marched out of Jerusalem's Damascus Gate chanting, calling for revenge and urging Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah to hit Tel Aviv with missiles. Police dispersed the crowd.

In the West Bank city of Ramallah, thousands demonstrated in solidarity with Gazans, calling for Palestinian unity and accusing Arab leaders of silence over Israel's bombardment.


Effigies Burned In Afghanistan

In the Afghan capital of Kabul, about 3,000 people gathered outside a prominent mosque after Friday prayers, according to police estimates. Men in the crowd threw stones and shoes at an effigy of President George W. Bush.

Kabul Police Chief Ayoub Salangi said some 250 Afghan police monitored the gathering to make sure it remained peaceful. No violence was reported.

A cleric who spoke to the crowd said Afghans supported a "holy war" against Israel, in support of the Palestinian people. The cleric condemned America's support of Israel and led the crowd in chants of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."

Leaders at the Afghan protest asked the crowd for volunteers to help in a Palestinian fight against Israel.

Asadullah Shahid, a protestor, said he had gathered to condemn the Israeli attacks and "announce our support to innocent Palestinians."

Another, Sayed Mushtaba, said that all "Afghan youths will stand against Israel, America and Jews till the last drop of their blood and we will defend Palestine."

Meanwhile, in Moscow, protesters marched on Friday outside the Israeli Embassy in Russia.

Clutching Palestinian and Azerbaijan flags, the protesters chanted "God is great," as well as anti-Israel and anti-American slogans.

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(AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko)

Russian police arrested some protesters, dragging them into police vans, before herding the rest of the protesters away.

Ra****, a Muslim from Moscow, said that children, women and old men were being killed in Palestine, and that while people around the world were protesting "we are banned from telling the truth."

In the Philippines, dozens of demonstrators gathered in Manila, carrying placards saying Israel is a "butcher of children" and accusing it of war crimes.

Organizer Reihana Melencio accused Israel of genocide.

"This is one of the strongest militaries on earth and attacking a people who can only shoot back some old rockets, sticks and stones," she said.


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(AP Photo/Sang Tan)
Preparations For Demonstrations In London, Los Angeles

In London, celebrities and politicians lent their voice on Friday ahead of a planned demonstration on Saturday, to condemn Israel's actions as well as Hamas' rocket-fire response.

The high-profile campaigners called for an immediate end to the Israeli operation in Gaza.

Former Eurythmics singer Annie Lennox, former London mayor Ken Livingstone, comedian and writer Alexei Sayle, and human rights advocate Bianca Jagger were among the speakers.

The demonstration on Saturday, which is expected to draw thousands of people, will march on Whitehall to call for an immediate end to the violence.

Lennox said the issue went beyond religion, Jewish or Muslim.

"There has to be a place, ultimately, where people come to the table," she said. "How many more people will be slaughtered before we get there, and is this the way to go about it? I, absolutely, don't think so."

In Los Angeles, Palestinian demonstrators plan to rally today, as pro-Israel supporters hold their own protests.

The demonstrations come after hundreds from both sides protested in front of L.A.'s Israeli Consulate on Tuesday.

Pro-Israel demonstrators say they plan to rally today outside of the Federal Building starting at 11 a.m. PST.

Pro-Palestinian supporters have announced an emergency demonstration set for 4:30 p.m. outside of the Israeli Consulate. Supporters of Israel have also planned a counter protest at the location.

Source:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/02/world/main4695928.shtml

okieJack
01-02-2009, 07:14 PM
This tirade appears highly biased IMHO.

Military-G
01-02-2009, 07:18 PM
Muslim communities in random countries reacting .. no surprise .. I dont see hundreds of thousands of people from all different backgrounds protesting in all these countries .. wonder why?

Snoshi
01-02-2009, 07:20 PM
"This is one of the strongest militaries on earth and attacking a people who can only shoot back some old rockets, sticks and stones," she said.

This comment is so dumb that i get headache by just thinking about it..

Military-G
01-02-2009, 07:21 PM
lol she has accuses Israel of Genocide also .. clearly a retard of epic proportions.

Snoshi
01-02-2009, 07:24 PM
lol she has accuses Israel of Genocide also .. clearly a retard of epic proportions.

Israel cant fight any of its wars without being accused of genocide..

And i like this new term called "disappropriate" response which is mostly directed at USA and Israel... Wtf is up with that.. In war the point is to inflict as much damage against your enemy as possible.. This is war we are talking about..

JJC
01-02-2009, 07:28 PM
British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

UK's FreedomCall informs Israeli company of decision via email, blames Gaza operation http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3648346,00.htmlNot surprising, at all, just waiting to see when British academia will start their usual moral high ground Israel boycott calls?

Military-G
01-02-2009, 07:33 PM
Never even heard of freedom call :|

Military-G
01-02-2009, 07:37 PM
Israel cant fight any of its wars without being accused of genocide..

And i like this new term called "disappropriate" response which is mostly directed at USA and Israel... Wtf is up with that.. In war the point is to inflict as much damage against your enemy as possible.. This is war we are talking about..

Its not fair after all they are just bunnies with little sticks and you are ogres with big jets.

Migman
01-02-2009, 08:10 PM
There's going to be a protest tomorrow in Orlando. Think I'll go check it out just for the hell of it.

Mr.Flint
01-02-2009, 08:30 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3648346,00.htmlNot surprising, at all, just waiting to see when British academia will start their usual moral high ground Israel boycott calls?

Never even heard of freedom call :|
Its a tiny British venture, that is providing Britain-Pakistan calling services...

Probably run from someone's basement....

Mr.Flint
01-02-2009, 08:31 PM
There's going to be a protest tomorrow in Orlando. Think I'll go check it out just for the hell of it.
Bring a "Death to all Juices," banner rofl

Migman
01-03-2009, 12:00 AM
Bring a "Death to all Juices," banner rofl

Hilarious! Methinks "Death to all Juice" would be the grammatically correct way to go. ;)

Mr.Flint
01-03-2009, 12:50 AM
Hilarious! Methinks "Death to all Juice" would be the grammatically correct way to go. ;)
(Zionist) Juice? p-)

Tyon
01-03-2009, 02:02 AM
Join now and claim your free Gaza!
If she's so "with" the oppressed, has she said anything about the poor people of Zimbabwe?

But there are no jews in Mugabeland.

Everyone is getting on the train for Israelbashing. Wonder how they would react if their city was hit by rockets on a daily basis...
Well nevermind.


Hah stupid Israelis thats not a genocide! The people of Congo and well all of africa are much more efficient.
Funny that no one is going on the street for well the poor Congo girl which was just raped by a whole batallion of rebels like the rest of the girls of the village. After the rebels killed everyone else of course.


But they are just african.... which are far less important than hamas member. All hail the idiots!

Walter Sobchak
01-03-2009, 02:52 AM
Bring a "Death to all Juices," banner rofl

You can see how they would not spell that correctly. I mean, they are always complaining about the, Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos. They were probably just spelling phonetically. woot

I saw a great sign at a pro-Israel rally in New York. It said, "If New York was getting hit by 20 rockets a day, you'd be pissed too!"

Mastermind
01-03-2009, 11:59 AM
I notice the diplomatic responses against the Israeli action are very much dampened in comparison to previous responses to previous Istaril counter hamas actions. I think the world is a bit tired of all the lunatic, savage, and self destructive behavior of the Islamic Fundamentalists. Israel sees this as a very bright green light.

walford
01-03-2009, 02:57 PM
I notice the diplomatic responses against the Israeli action are very much dampened in comparison to previous responses to previous Istaril counter hamas actions. I think the world is a bit tired of all the lunatic, savage, and self destructive behavior of the Islamic Fundamentalists. Israel sees this as a very bright green light.
I don't share your assessment. The Left -- even within Israel -- was not referring to this situation as a disaster until Israel fought back.

Pacifists always look at it this way. When an aggressor who openly declares that their objective is to destroy you to the very last attacks, they automatically assume that the victim must have provoked them. Therefore they must atone for their sins with appeasement. Fighting back is never an option for their ilk.

The Israeli and Western Left is calling for talks and agreements even though HAMAS et al has a 100% consistent track record of violating every single agreement they have ever signed.

The answer of course is not to listen to them and press on. Taking over Gaza is not feasible, but from time to time the IDF needs to go in and disrupt HAMAS' operations and degrade their ability to perpetrate violence.

That is a realistic goal given that HAMAS will never give up its objective of destroying the Jewish State. At least in Gaza they are all concentrated in one place and there are no longer any Israeli civilians to protect.

Walter Sobchak
01-03-2009, 04:24 PM
Since it is Israel that are occupying palestinian territory, and have been doing it for some time, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Israel is also blamed by many for the conflict.

Was there every anything such as "Palestinian" territory? Before 1967, the West Bank and Gaza were Jordanian and Egyptian, respectively. And if history serves me correctly, those nations grabbed those territories for themselves in 1948.

So, from 1948-67, why the hell didn't anyone create a "Palestine" when they had the opportunity? Did the people who live there not have any "national rights" until 1967, or was the concept of a "Palestine" as ridiculous to the Arab leaders pre-1967, as it is now. I mean, what the hell is a Palestinian, anyway? Is it ethnic, political or geographic? Or, can you just say, "I'm Palestinian", and suddenly you are transformed into a professional, life-long victim?

The Romans created the province of Palestina out of their conquered territories. So maybe Palestine is a historical relic like the rest of provincial Rome. Maybe we can say the Israelis came back from the Diaspora and just took back what was rightfully theirs, like so much of old Rome was conquered.

walford
01-03-2009, 04:32 PM
Indeed, when HAMAS refers to "Palestinian territory" they are referring to Israel proper. For Westerners to parrot them with this drivel is to join them in advocating the destruction of the Jewish State.

For those who are referring to Gaza, Golan and the West Bank, those are not Palestinian territory either. Those belonged to Egypt, Syria and Jordan respectively and were seized by Israel while the Arabs were massing for yet another bid to destroy Israel.

As has already been pointed out, Palestine is a term for a province used by series of conquerors starting with the Romans for the area that was once Israel and is now Israel again.

The fact of the matter is, Israel was founded because the Jews realized in the 19th century that if they didn't have their own homeland world Jewry would cease to exist.

If the Palestinians do not have their own state, the equally valid alternate lifestyle of being Arab, Muslim and Jew-hating is not in any danger of becoming extinct. Plenty of other places to enjoy that way of life. Plenty.

Walter Sobchak
01-03-2009, 05:14 PM
If the Palestinians do not have their own state, the equally valid alternate lifestyle of being Arab, Muslim and Jew-hating is not in any danger of becoming extinct. Plenty of other places to enjoy that way of life. Plenty.

Excellent point!

And... there is always the option of remaining part of Israel, renouncing terror and violence and working within the Israeli constitution to be a productive part of an existing democracy. Israel already has some minor, very political (some would say radical) political parties who regularly join coalitions and influence macro-policy. Under the Israeli constitution, the Palestinians could be their own party and join the plurality and live normal, healthy lives in a democracy.

In other words, stop being the Arab-worlds' bit*hes and get on with free, normal lives in a country where there is no strong-man to rule over you and you have constitutional guarantees.

So, why isn't this a viable solution? Spell it out, please...

gilgoul
01-03-2009, 05:26 PM
Excellent point!

And... there is always the option of remaining part of Israel, renouncing terror and violence and working within the Israeli constitution to be a productive part of an existing democracy. Israel already has some minor, very political (some would say radical) political parties who regularly join coalitions and influence macro-policy. Under the Israeli constitution, the Palestinians could be their own party and join the plurality and live normal, healthy lives in a democracy.

In other words, stop being the Arab-worlds' bit*hes and get on with free, normal lives in a country where there is no strong-man to rule over you and you have constitutional guarantees.

So, why isn't this a viable solution? Spell it out, please...

First of all my friend; there's no such a thing as a constitution in Israel.
Beside; the equation here is that primitive that it isn't understandable for most "evolved" mentalities.
The question isn't about territory, but about the right for jews to be sovereign on a territory that is less than 1% of arab lands (arab, not muslim)
As for the arabs already citizens of the State of Israel, they enjoy it's democracy without having to take part in it's defence.
In my view, however doesn't serve the state for national service, not necessarily military, shouldn't have a right to vote.
But that's an entire debate entirely.
P.S. and by the way don't feed the Nielsen troll

N'kEnNy
01-03-2009, 06:19 PM
Excellent points walford deilivered in an intelligent and witty manner!

I think the situation at the gaza strip is far more complicated than anyone living in the
'west' is actually aware of. Perhaps Israel and HAMAS should be allowed to 'settle their differences' while the rest of the world holds its breath and prepares to pick up the pieces?

Then again just as the saying that "The more things change, the more they stay the same" could be applied here as in; the more complicated the matter is, the simpler the solution.

Mastermind
01-03-2009, 06:36 PM
Excellent points walford deilivered in an intelligent and witty manner!

I think the situation at the gaza strip is far more complicated than anyone living in the
'west' is actually aware of. Perhaps Israel and HAMAS should be allowed to 'settle their differences' while the rest of the world holds its breath and prepares to pick up the pieces?

Then again just as the saying that "The more things change, the more they stay the same" could be applied here as in; the more complicated the matter is, the simpler the solution.
Pick up what pieces? The murdering savages who control Gaza were the ones throwing their own Muslim brothers off the tops of buildings when they took control of a UN mandated governing body by force of arms...the people of Gaza had no choice or vote in the matter. Islamic fundamentalists have then instated a contiuning state of war with israel...notice the West Bank Muslims have maintained a relatively calm and I might add, profitable coexistance with Israel...they have accepted the postion of deleting their demands for total destruction of Israel (on the surface, at least) and have refused to get involved in the present disaster supporting these monsters.

These Hammas are thugs..they are murdering savages that make the old PLF look like kindergarten kids by comparison. They seek only to fully inflame the entire middle east and refuse to accept any kind of peace with anyone...even the Egyptians fear them. The world wants to see them eradicated...but, no one wants to dirty their pretty little liberal hands in the matter...They say, "Let the Jews do it...we'll protest them bitterly after the dirty deed is done."

Walter Sobchak
01-04-2009, 07:11 AM
First of all my friend; there's no such a thing as a constitution in Israel....

And I was on SUCH a roll, too!



P.S. and by the way don't feed the Nielsen troll

What would that be? I'm still new around here.

Octavariable
01-04-2009, 07:27 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/04/iraq.suicide.bombing/index.html

in other news, dozens killed in bahgdad suicide attack.

oh wait, that can't be true, I don't see any worldwide protests and people shouting death to islamist militants and fanatics

walford
01-04-2009, 10:29 AM
...I don't see any worldwide protests and people shouting death to islamist militants and fanatics
And you won't. There was no protest against HAMAS when they were unilaterally launching an average of 20 rocket/mortar attacks -- deliberately targeting civilians -- each and every day for the past 3 years. If the Western Left had anything to say about this, it was only excuses and justifications.

It didn't become an urgent situation until Israel started fighting back.