Al Jazeera: Norwegian aid worker explains the reality in Gaza

[Scourge]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjthFt6EZg

My personal transcription

"No food, no supplies for hospitals, lack of basic equipment, shortage of staff in hospitals."

"Aid has not been getting through."

Use of internationally outlawed weapons by Israel. "New type of weapons with an enormous explosive power", "bodies split in two", "severe burns, most of these burn being more than 50% of the body surface caused by radioactive weapons", "complete amputations".

"International legal principles of proportionality of respect for civilian human life: 2000 injured, 391 killed."

"21% of the 391 killed are women and children, 40% of the injured are women and children."

"This is in sharp contradiction to those who say that civilians are being spared or protected. On the contrary, they are the target and they are the victims. Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."

"Gaza is a prison".

[Evolv5]

Use of internationally outlawed weapons by Israel. "New type of weapons with an enormous explosive power", "bodies split in two", "severe burns, most of these burn being more than 50% of the body surface caused by radioactive weapons", "complete amputations".

"International legal principles of proportionality of respect for civilian human life: 2000 injured, 391 killed."

"21% of the 391 killed are women and children, 40% of the injured are women and children."

"This is in sharp contradiction to those who say that civilians are being spared or protected. On the contrary, they are the target and they are the victims. Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."




Huh? What? Radioactive weapons that give you burns? Is he suggesting their using either a) High-powered lasers (didn't know they existed) or b) nuclear grenades?

The only other radioactive weapon I can think about are armor piercing rounds, but they don't exactly give burns.

[IDF_TANKER]

"severe burns, most of these burn being more than 50% of the body surface caused by radioactive weapons",...........
kthxbye

P.S. Three questions:
1) How old are you?
2) This is your discovery or his, that weapons actually mime and kill?
3) Have you even read what your posted?

[The Dane]

...........
kthxbye

P.S. Three questions:
1) How old are you?
2) This is your discovery or his, that weapons actually mime and kill?
3) Have you even read what your posted?

Smartarse :roll:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive

[One?]

Huh? What? Radioactive weapons that give you burns? Is he suggesting their using either a) High-powered lasers (didn't know they existed) or b) nuclear grenades?

The only other radioactive weapon I can think about are armor piercing rounds, but they don't exactly give burns.

Depleted uranium is radioactive, and Israel has been using it in at least bunker buster bombs. The doctor says something about a type of metal or aloy couldn't make it up which is radioactive. Not lasers.

[Cedan]

That guy is known pro-Palestinian, don't accept his word as the objective truth.

[One?]

Smartarse :roll:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive

from the same article



As reported in the French national newspaper Le Monde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde), according to a team of journalists from the Italian State radio-television RAI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAI), DIME-type bombs were being used in the Gaza strip by the IDF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) against Palestinian militants during July/August 2006. The investigation was performed by analysing samples of metals found in the victim's bodies and examining the unusual wounds.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive#cite_note-5) Israel denied possessing or using such weapons.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive#cite_note-6)

[Sideline]

LOL.... Not worth trying to rationalize.

[IDF_TANKER]

Smartarse :roll:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive


Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME) is an experimental type of explosive that has a relatively small but effective blast radius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_radius). It is manufactured by producing a homogeneous mixture of an explosive material (such as HMX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMX) or RDX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX)) and small particles of a chemically inert material such as tungsten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten). It is intended to limit the distance at which the explosion causes damage, to avoid collateral damage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage) in warfare.


So, what's the accusation - that we are using weapons designed to reduce collateral damage?? :cantbeli:

[The Dane]

No Israel DONT have DIME weapons.. or nukes.

[IDF_TANKER]

Depleted uranium is radioactive, and Israel has been using it in at least bunker buster bombs. The doctor says something about a type of metal or aloy couldn't make it up which is radioactive. Not lasers.

Depleted uranium causes burns? I'm not a weapon expert (as you or that Norwegian aid-whatever), so I'm kinda surprised.

[Maglan]

For all of his education, the doctor is an idiot. Firstly, he can't speak to the intelligence branch of the IDF and their methods of target acquisition. To say that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians is either a gross fallacy or a blatant lie.....take your pick. In an area of such dense population, and with over 1.5 million residents, 400 dead is quite a small number and shows a degree of professional restraint. That is not to say that 400 people is not a tragedy on each individual level, but if Israel were not concerned with the valididty of targets, or civilian casualties, the death toll would certainly be exponentionally higher........especially given that the bombing has extended into its eigth day and with hundreds of sorties carried out thus far. It's been harped on and on to death, and the argument will never end. The doctor is obviously touched by the human tragedy he had witnessed, but I wonder if he would feel the same way if he were visiting Ashkelon.

[The Dane]

So, what's the accusation - that we are using weapons designed to reduce collateral damage?? :cantbeli:

Why deny it then ?

[IDF_TANKER]

No Israel DONT have DIME weapons.. or nukes.
Smartarse :roll:

[IDF_TANKER]

Why deny it then ?

How the fvck do I know?? Secrecy, OPSEC..?

[Sideline]

Seems same old thing.
Israel uses top secret evil weapons and Hamas rockets don't explode (no warhead).
<Sarcasm off>.

[One?]

No Israel DONT have DIME weapons.. or nukes.

Israel doesn't have nukes and Dimona is a chicken storage facility :)

DIME..Israel...burns: http://www.grassrootspeace.org/israel_dime_bombs_121206.pdf


IDF_Tanker: The issue that the doctor is discussing refers to the type of burns and how to treat them.

[Ichabod]

Use of internationally outlawed weapons by Israel.
And those are?

"New type of weapons with an enormous explosive power", "bodies split in two", "severe burns, most of these burn being more than 50% of the body surface caused by radioactive weapons", "complete amputations".


OMG new weapons....enormous explosive power....how can it be that those F-16 are using precision bombs.....


"21% of the 391 killed are women and children, 40% of the injured are women and children."

Here he says this...



"This is in sharp contradiction to those who say that civilians are being spared or protected. On the contrary, they are the target and they are the victims. Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."


And here this.

If the civilians are the targets its one HELLUVA coincidence that 79% off fatalities are inflicted upon terrorists.

[One?]

And here this.

If the civilians are the targets its one HELLUVA coincidence that 79% off fatalities are inflicted upon terrorists.

Assuming that all males over 18 are terrorists ?

[The Dane]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/17/israel1

[Evolv5]

Depleted uranium is radioactive, and Israel has been using it in at least bunker buster bombs. The doctor says something about a type of metal or aloy couldn't make it up which is radioactive. Not lasers.

Aye I know, but I didn't think they gave burns.

[Ichabod]

Assuming that all males over 18 are terrorists ?

My bad,the majority of them being terrorists.

[One?]

Aye I know, but I didn't think they gave burns.

I didn't think so either but I was trying to understand what that doctor was saying.

[Mr Mechanised]

Since media in most cases have a totally different agenda than the military they tend to focus on the juicy bits like civilian casualties. Reasons for conflict and such are just in the way when your trying to sell papers...
I actually think the IDF has done a good job keeping the civilian casualties low. Considering that Gaza is very densely populated. I saw a number of as much as 4200 people per square kilometer. Since they only use air power aswell, I think its reasonable figures.

[Ali Baba]

That guy is known pro-Palestinian, don't accept his word as the objective truth.


Wait wait wait wait.. So what your Saying is, the only way to educate ourselves is Pro Israeli?, Nice. Talk about non Biased. ( Point is Both Sides are biased. People have to READ BOTH Opinions and achieve their own... )

[lightfire]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjthFt6EZg

"This is in sharp contradiction to those who say that civilians are being spared or protected. On the contrary, they are the target and they are the victims. Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."


yes, IAF has nothing else to do, but to target civilians, those evil JUICE!

[zaanan]

"Aid has not been getting through."

He should ask the hamas leaders, wher the aid is?
Cause everyone know, They don't give a dime.

[zaanan]

Wait wait wait wait.. So what your Saying is, the only way to educate ourselves is Pro Israeli?, Nice. Talk about non Biased. ( Point is Both Sides are biased. People have to READ BOTH Opinions and achieve their own... )

OH NO NO NO, obviously his objective like El Gazeera.

[One?]

"Aid has not been getting through."

He should ask the hamas leaders, wher the aid is?
Cause everyone know, They don't give a dime.

Hamas doesn't control aid. It all comes to UNRWA and WFP.

Is Israel firing WP on gaza ? I was watching channel 10 and they had a series of footage of bombs, and it looked like WP.

The explosion was similar to the first few seconds of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbuYnd54As

[Breakfast in Vegas]

It is no secret that the attacks on Gaza are killing women and children as well. You cannot launch large-scale attacks on built-up areas in which civilians live without killing civilians. It is also no surprise that a doctor in the attacked area treating the killed and wounded, seeing maimed women and children, can do nothing but condemn the attacks.

On a grander scale however, the decision to attack Hamas as a preventive measure to stop more rocket attacks on Israel can be understood.

Gaza wanted Hamas, they got Hamas and all the baggage Hamas carries with them. Perhaps they should consider getting rid of Hamas, no?

[Mr.Flint]

Ah another hack, a la lebanon...
"evil IDF used Nukes!!!! Chemical weapons!!!! DU!!! This not an antimine rocket, this is an evil chem rocket!!!!! poison balloons!!!"

Did anyone bother to tell him, that multiple explosions tend to do the things he described, without any ultra uber chems/nukes/whatever?

[Ozzy[NO]]

You have got to be ****ing kidding me?! That doctor is Mads Gilbert, extreme leftist who even supported the 9/11 attacks, he encourages to boycot Médecins Sans Frontières(because of their neutral stance)and so on, and so on. He's all over Norwegian news as well, he's as credible as my left shoe....

[Military-G]

Argh there is like so many random threads on this Israel/Palestine conflict .. im taking part in 2 but im getting lost heh.

All I will say is the guy is in no way unbias, seems to have an agenda.

[Maglan]

Hamas doesn't control aid. It all comes to UNRWA and WFP.

Is Israel firing WP on gaza ? I was watching channel 10 and they had a series of footage of bombs, and it looked like WP.

WP.....hmm, well lets talk about WP. Yes, the explosions you posted from Fallujah are in fact rounds filled with WP. I have no see the film on channel 10, so I can't comment on that. WP is the main filler in smoke rounds. The film you posted shows smoke mortars rounds(probably 81mm) fixed to burst above target, as opposed to direct impact. These are not explosive WP rounds, which as you know have been outlawed. Smoke rounds are smoke rounds. Stop trying to make it more than it is.

As far as civilian casualties.....every lost life is a tragedy. However, that's the nature of conflict....to kill the enemy and break his stuff. It's unfortunate that innocent people are caught in the middle most of the time, and it will only become more prevalent as conflicts are fought in more densely populated areas and urban centres. At least I can say, in good faith, that Israel is doing its best to keep civilian casualties to a minimum. It's not like the IAF is going around bombing maternity wards and pre-schools. The same can't be said about the Hamas, which launches rockets indiscriminately, and with the sole intent of killing civilians. Truly disgusting and cowardly, and most of the world turns a blind eye to the underlying causes of civilian suffering (Hamas and terrorists), and instead focuses solely on the suffering itself, as if it's some sort of deliberate genocide against the Arabs.

There needs to be give and take on both sides, and a lasting peace depends on the sensibility of both parties to negotiate. Hamas has proven itself incapable of doing that, and it's unfortunate that the people have to suffer as a result.

[One?]

WP.....hmm, well lets talk about WP. Yes, the explosions you posted from Fallujah are in fact rounds filled with WP. I have no see the film on channel 10, so I can't comment on that. WP is the main filler in smoke rounds. The film you posted shows smoke mortars rounds(probably 81mm) fixed to burst above target, as opposed to direct impact. These are not explosive WP rounds, which as you know have been outlawed. Smoke rounds are smoke rounds. Stop trying to make it more than it is.

You might want to calm down there. I posted a question so if you can't answer then don't. If you live in Israel tune to channel 10, they keep repeating the footage over and over.

[b0sco]

;3809897']That doctor is Mads Gilbert, extreme leftist who even supported the 9/11 attacks, he encourages to boycot Médecins Sans Frontières(because of their neutral stance)and so on, and so on. ...

'nuff said.

[Maglan]

You might want to calm down there. I posted a question so if you can't answer then don't. If you live in Israel tune to channel 10, they keep repeating the footage over and over.

I answered your question. I apologise if I came across as curt and rude, but I thought you were being a smart a$$. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Hilbert]

There's civilian casualties? I hate to break it to the Doctor but what the heck does he expect, it's a war! I'm not trying to take away from the loss, it sucks when civilians die, it truly is a tragedy when the innocent die. Nevertheless, I should hope that most people can agree that if Israel was deliberately targeting civilians, the toll would be FAR higher than what it is. If anything I'm surprised it's so low given the layout and population density of Gaza.

What a load of crap.

Just my two cents,
Hilde

P.S. Ozzy, thanks for that information on the doctor.

[ting]

;3809897']You have got to be ****ing kidding me?! That doctor is Mads Gilbert, extreme leftist who even supported the 9/11 attacks, he encourages to boycot Médecins Sans Frontières(because of their neutral stance)and so on, and so on. He's all over Norwegian news as well, he's as credible as my left shoe....

I know he is a leftist but would you care to back up your claims of him supporting 9/11 and encourages boycot of MSF? Norwegian links are just fine.

The reason he is on the news is that there arent many western witnesses there. None of the news I have heard have added his political views, just the facts as he as a doctor sees them.

[[dandan]]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3810179&postcount=10
Maybe it's worth looking at this post, and the first picture and comment.
I don't want to get caught up in an argument. But I thought I'd draw attention to the photo.

[Darth Vidar]

;3809897']You have got to be ****ing kidding me?! That doctor is Mads Gilbert, extreme leftist who even supported the 9/11 attacks, he encourages to boycot Médecins Sans Frontières(because of their neutral stance)and so on, and so on. He's all over Norwegian news as well, he's as credible as my left shoe....

x2. Mads Gilbert is as leftist as can be. We just laugh of him here in Norway!

[Ozzy[NO]]

I know he is a leftist but would you care to back up your claims of him supporting 9/11 and encourages boycot of MSF? Norwegian links are just fine.

The reason he is on the news is that there arent many western witnesses there. None of the news I have heard have added his political views, just the facts as he as a doctor sees them.

http://www.nordlys.no/debatt/ytring/article2371823.ece
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/01/285035.html
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/01/285025.html

Best I could find on a short notice.
I don't think Gilbert is lying in his reports from Gaza, we all know it's **** down there now. I just assume he's got a bit of clouded judgment, and he's not even close to being neutral. I know for a fact he's a damn fine doctor though, so I hope he gets to treat as many Gazans as possible. He should stick to what he knows best, being a doctor

[JJC]

Deja Jew again? "Jenin massacre" UFO nuclear grenades, in Lebanon they also accused IDF of using secret evil weapons and even tested body parts in some German lab which cleared IDF of using any of the exagirated crap.

It just durther delegitemizes these "experts" and puts them on same plainfield with Hamas, and their ilk everywhere.

[Horizon]

Gaza: ICRC medical team still banned from Gaza
For the second consecutive day, Israeli authorities have refused to allow an ICRC emergency medical team into Gaza. The ICRC had notified the authorities of the team’s arrival in advance, but they have been awaiting authorization to enter the Strip since Friday morning, even though the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel has been open for other humanitarian workers and foreigners to leave the Strip.

The team, which consists of four specialists led by an experienced ICRC war surgeon, is to help the staff of Shifa hospital with complex operations on people injured by the bombing.

"It is absolutely essential that this team get into Gaza now, as this is when they are most needed," said Pierre Wettach, the ICRC head of delegation in Israel and the occupied territories.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/palestine-update-030109?opendocument

There are a lot of humans beings I mean you know Palestinians are humans beings like you no?, that deserve medical assistance; especially in war, especially when hospitals are overcrowded and lacks medicines, why adding suffering on suffering? we are told that Hamas is a terrorist organization, how do you call the one who stop a surgeon from helping the wounded??

[SBL]

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/palestine-update-030109?opendocument

There are a lot of humans beings I mean you know Palestinians are humans beings like you no?, that deserve medical assistance; especially in war, especially when hospitals are overcrowded and lacks medicines, why adding suffering on suffering? we are told that Hamas is a terrorist organization, how do you call the one who stop a surgeon from helping the wounded??

Probably because the last thing the Israelis need at this point is to accidentally bomb a team of international volunteers. They're a liability until things calm down a bit.

[Siddar]

Sub Diameter Bomb is the weapon being talked about in the orginal post I think.

[eques]

If you mind Small Diameter Bomb- yes, it was probably used, but it's not some freaking evil zionist weapon, it's just light, very accurate bomb.

[Macs.]

This is the basic rule of propaganda and disinformation.

Throw out your stories in a time of confusion under a easy cover, fast fast fast. I remember the story about Israel using chemical weapons some time ago that a Lebanese doctor spread, and how it later turned out to be nothing but a made up story. Once the story is spread only a minority will find out that it's bull****.

Kind of like printing a newpaper with a huge headline, once it's out the damage has been done.

[G-AWZT]

The IDF is using ray-guns. A pro Hamas supporter told me. If he says so it MUST be true.

[toryu]

As far as the claims about the weapons go, the simplest explanation is usually correct, so yes, it probably is something conventional.

That said even if they are talking about DIME weapons, which I doubt, it still makes the claims of "radioactive weapons" seem pretty silly. From what I've read Tungsten is the ingredient of choice in such explosive compositions and that makes sense because Tungsten is inert and is there to serve as micro shrapnel as the casing disintegrates. Depleted Uranium is pyrophoric and as such wouldn't really have the desired effect in an explosive weapon. The only reason they're interchangeable in penetrator weapons is that they're both rather dense and the burning just becomes a bonus effect.

They're probably just using the word 'radioactive' because the tungsten dust is apparently carcinogenic. Honestly though, considering the blast diameter of these weapons, if you were close enough to be afflicted with cancer, then you were likely a target and marked for death anyway.

Unless I've missed something entirely? :|

[fabrizio]

My solution to the problem:

Israel and the Western nations should allow Gaza to be rebuilt, put a lot of money in it, new schools, new hospitals, trying to fight unemployment and give the people no reason to hate the "Zionists" and evil U.S.

Let's see if Hamas, Hizbollah and all the other groups still want to wipe out Israel with their great reasons.

Of course they want, otherwise they wouldn't have a reason to exist anymore. No money, no power, no nothing. Same goes for Iran.

At least Israel would have the ultimate proof on their side that they can behave however they want, and they would still be seen as the evil. And they would have a great reason to finish it once and forever.

[PZThunderbolt]

Amen brother!!!

-Brother Fabrizio that is.

As to the contents of this thread; I think cooler heads should prevail and we should all give the posts by fellow analyst "One" a long-good reading, or we run the risk of coming off just as fanatical as the next extremist.

[KoTeMoRe]

My solution to the problem:

Israel and the Western nations should allow Gaza to be rebuilt, put a lot of money in it, new schools, new hospitals, trying to fight unemployment and give the people no reason to hate the "Zionists" and evil U.S.

Let's see if Hamas, Hizbollah and all the other groups still want to wipe out Israel with their great reasons.

Of course they want, otherwise they wouldn't have a reason to exist anymore. No money, no power, no nothing. Same goes for Iran.

At least Israel would have the ultimate proof on their side that they can behave however they want, and they would still be seen as the evil. And they would have a great reason to finish it once and forever.

You mean they should try to convert them to atheism? How nice is that!

[PZThunderbolt]

I don't think that's what he meant... AT ALL.

-Not by a long shot.

Fighting poverty = fighting violent fanatism (not to be confused with fundamnetalism).

-By no means will you erradicate it, but you will certanly make a dent.

(But now we've gone off topic).

[KoTeMoRe]

Meh does this imply that poverty means violence? Senseless ideologic violence? How wonderfully mechanic is that. You're not poor, so you will not go berserk? No beacause a fanatic has psychological issues foremost before being poor. By that stretch we go to criminality and poverty.


Well I'm sorry to say, but before healing the wounds of "poverty" in Palestine, we should focus on the wounds of religious zeal and doxa!

[Slouch]

Just a side note- even if the quote from the 'Norwegian Aid Worker' is true (which I highly doubt), it is worth keeping in mind that the majority of Norwegian Refugee Council volunteers I have met are almost fanatically anti-military. I worked alongside them in a peacekeeping situation, and they would go out of their way to actively interfere with military members of the contingent, even if their role was to support the NRC.

[MACT-1]

Concerning the Norwegian "aid workers" and "doctor". Hippies. They are the same the world over. Remember the famous hippy phrase "Don't trust anyone over 30!" Well they are all 60 now and running the US. Everything they touch turns to sh#t.

Don't worry about all this weapon nonsense. The Mayan calendar says its all over in 2012. Oh, and if Hamas would stop firing rockets none of this would be taking place anyway. First, the two sides have to WANT to get along, this is a long way out.

[jklv]

Oh hai guise wehre are the pics :|

[deagle]

well, if you strip an insurgent of battle gear, and put on a shirt and pants, he looks like a "civilian". you could fake pics, but its harder to fake vids. either way, that link raises alot of doubt on the severity of "reality in gaza".

[RuneX2]

Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."As a doctor.. how does he suggest the war should have been carried out? I’m sure Israel would be delighted if Hamas stopped storing their weapons under hospitals and in mosques and themselves came out from hiding in civilian areas and confronted the Israelis face to face in an open plain. But as long as Hamas prefer to hide amongs women and children, civilians casualties will unfortunately be unavoidable. The more the shame on Hamas.


"Gaza is a prison".Only because Hamas made it so.

[timetraveller]

Far as am aware No Press has been granted access into Gaza ..

So you have to get things into Perspective ..

1 - Actual clarity of info from inside
2 - Do you know info comin from inside gaza is 100 percent genuine
3- there is those willing to release info that can't be clarified in anyway
4 - Disinformation , It's not rocket science since in the world of Net people are easily lead down the Garden Path
5 - The way the IDF has controlled the Press movements , has been so restrictive , It's far cry from the Reporters tagging along with Units in the 1st Gulf War ..
6 Nobody really know what is happening within Gaza due Restrictive access to Gaza ..

[~Berdan]

My solution to the problem:

Israel and the Western nations should allow Gaza to be rebuilt, put a lot of money in it, new schools, new hospitals, trying to fight unemployment and give the people no reason to hate the "Zionists" and evil U.S.

Let's see if Hamas, Hizbollah and all the other groups still want to wipe out Israel with their great reasons.

Of course they want, otherwise they wouldn't have a reason to exist anymore. No money, no power, no nothing. Same goes for Iran.

At least Israel would have the ultimate proof on their side that they can behave however they want, and they would still be seen as the evil. And they would have a great reason to finish it once and forever.


Ok.Ok,ok,ok.

Israel did all those things you are talking about.Most of the Gaza infrastructure is Israeli built(during the 70's?).Trying to fight unemployement-same thing,later Israel let Arab workers from Gaza work for Israeli factories (google for Erez industrial zone).

Israel did this,and Israel did that..Palestinians were smiling,saying "peace will come in our lifetime".Well,my friend,guess who fycked all that up single handed?

Yep.

"Western powers put a lot of money in it".Well,my friend,EU did put a lot of money in Gaza.You can guess where most of it went.

It doesn't matter.First,you have to fight mentality,and only then do all those things you said.

[MacGregor]

funny .... infowise the circle just closed for me .... in austrian tv a reporter (i think he is arab) is just talking about an norwegian Doctor :bash:

[RuneX2]

And the Norwegian doctor is a revolutionary Socialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B8dt) and here is what he had to say about 9/11:

The attack on New York was not surprising, after the policy that has led the West in recent decades. I am upset over the terrorist attack, but am equally upset over the suffering which the United States has created. It is in this context that the 5000 dead people must be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, then there is also a moral right to attack the United States with the weapons they had to create. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis.

When asked by Dagbladet if he supported the terrorist attack on the U.S., he replied:

Terror is a bad weapon, but the answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned. (Sept. 30, 2001)- such a nice fella. Lets give him airtime on all the networks.

[/URL][URL="http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1580"]Norwegian Doctors in Gaza: Objective Observers or Partisan Propagandists? (http://Norwegian%20Doctors%20in%20Gaza:%20Objective%20Observers%20or%20Partisan%20Propagandists?)

[Ozzy[NO]]

Norwegian newspaper claims the two Norwegian doctors are planning to leave Gaza. I would to give a huge thanks to Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse for the medical work they've done in Gaza.

[totach7]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjthFt6EZg

My personal transcription

"No food, no supplies for hospitals, lack of basic equipment, shortage of staff in hospitals."

"Aid has not been getting through."

Use of internationally outlawed weapons by Israel. "New type of weapons with an enormous explosive power", "bodies split in two", "severe burns, most of these burn being more than 50% of the body surface caused by radioactive weapons", "complete amputations".

"International legal principles of proportionality of respect for civilian human life: 2000 injured, 391 killed."

"21% of the 391 killed are women and children, 40% of the injured are women and children."

"This is in sharp contradiction to those who say that civilians are being spared or protected. On the contrary, they are the target and they are the victims. Contrary to international law, and I must say as a doctor, I find it an extremely cowardish way of fighting a war."

"Gaza is a prison".

The Hammas could invest its money for its own citizens and not to
invest in arms and how to destroy the state of ISRAEL





http://idf-armor.blogspot.com/

[ting]

;3819962']Norwegian newspaper claims the two Norwegian doctors are planning to leave Gaza. I would to give a huge thanks to Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse for the medical work they've done in Gaza.

x2
They have saved a lot of lives.

[trailfox]

About Mads Gilbert, one of the doctors.


Often portrayed by Norwegian media with controversial statements, Gilbert is on record criticizing Médecins Sans Frontières for its failure to take positions in conflicts.[3] A statement made to Dagbladet in the wake of the September 11 attacks, seemingly in support of terrorism within certain contexts, was widely met with strong reactions.[1] His statement to Dagbladet was: "If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." When asked if he supported terror against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned." [4] The incident was described by Nordlys editor Hans Kristian Amundsen as "probably the stupidest thing he's ever done", citing it as proof that Gilbert is a "hopeless politician".[1] On being a doctor as well as a politician, Gilbert has said the two roles are indistinguishable, and that "there is little in medicine that isn't politics".[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Gilbert

[timetraveller]

End of the day no what anyone says about this or any other situation ...

you will get labelled one of the Other ..

That is something i have noticed as Great deal ..

It shows how mad the world is ...