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-Max2-
01-04-2009, 08:10 PM
On this day 20 years ago...


The second Gulf of Sidra incident, January 4, 1989, occurred when two US Navy F-14 Tomcats shot down two Libyan MiG-23 Flogger Es that appeared to be attempting to engage them, as had happened previously in the first Gulf of Sidra incident (1981).

Background

In 1973 Libya claimed much of the Gulf of Sidra as its territorial waters and subsequently declared a "line of death", the crossing of which would invite a military response. Tensions between Libya and the U.S. were high after the U.S. accused Libya of building a chemical weapons plant near Rabta, causing the U.S. to deploy USS John F. Kennedy near its coast. A second carrier group, based around Theodore Roosevelt, was also being prepared to sail into the Gulf of Sidra.

Engagement

On the morning of January 4, 1989, the Kennedy battle group was operating some 130 km north of Libya, with a group of A-6 Intruders on exercise south of Crete, escorted by two pairs of F-14As from VF-14 and VF-32, and as well as an E-2C from VAW-126. Later that morning the southernmost Combat Air Patrol station was taken by two F-14s from VF-32, AC207 (CDR Joseph Bernard Connelly/CDR Leo F. Enwright 159610 AC207) and AC202 (LT Hermon C. Cook III/LCDR Steven Patrick Collins 159437 AC202). The officers had been specially briefed for this mission due to the high tensions regarding the Carrier Group's presence; the pilots were advised to expect some kind of hostilities.

At 11:50 hrs, after some time on patrol, the E-2 informed the F-14 crews that four Libyan MiG-23s had taken off from Al Bumbaw airfield, near Tobruk. The F-14s turned towards the first two MiG-23s some 50 km ahead of the rear pair and acquired them with radars. At the time the Floggers were 72 nautical miles (133 km) away at 10,000 ft (3,000 m) and heading directly towards the Tomcats and carrier. The F-14s turned away from the head-on approach to indicate that they didn't want to engage. The Floggers changed course to intercept at a closing speed of about 870 knots (1,000 mph, 1600 km/h). The F-14s descended to 3,000 ft (910 m) to give them a clear radar picture of the Floggers against the sky and leave the Floggers with sea clutter to contend with. Four more times did the F-14s repeat this maneuver, still tracking the Libyans. At 11:59 the Radar Intercept Officer (RIO) of the lead Tomcat ordered the arming of the AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-7 Sparrow missiles it was carrying. The E-2C had given the F-14 crews authority to fire if threatened; the F-14 crews did not have to wait until after the Libyans opened fire.

At almost 12:01 the lead Tomcat RIO said that "Bogeys have jinked back at me again for the fifth time. They're on my nose now, inside of 20 miles", followed shortly by "Master arm on" as he ordered arming of the weapons. At a range of 14 nmi (26 km) the RIO of the lead F-14A fired the first AIM-7M Sparrow; he surprised his pilot, who did not expect to see a missile accelerate away from his Tomcat. The RIO reported "Fox 1. Fox 1." The Sparrow failed to track because of a wrong switch-setting. At 10 nmi (19 km), he launched a second Sparrow missile, but it also failed to track its target.

The Floggers accelerated and continued to approach. At 6 nmi (11 km) range the Tomcats split and the Floggers followed the wingman while the lead Tomcat circled to get a tail angle on them. The wingman engaged with a Sparrow and downed one of the Libyan aircraft. One of the US pilots broadcast "Good kill! Good kill!" The lead Tomcat closed on the final Flogger from the rear quadrant and at 1.5 nmi (2.8 km) the pilot fired a Sidewinder, which hit its target. One crewman broadcast "Good kill!" and "Let's get out of here." The Libyan pilots were seen to successfully eject and parachute into the sea, but the Libyan Air Force was unable to recover them. The Tomcats then proceeded north to return to the carrier.

Aftermath

No one is sure to why the two MiGs operated in this manner and provoked an engagement, and the Libyans did not launch a successful rescue operation to recover the pilots. The following day, the Libyans accused the US of attacking two unarmed reconnaissance planes, but the footage, also called the gun-camera videos, showed that the Libyans had been armed with AA-7 Apex missiles. Depending on the model, this can be either a semi-active radar-homing missile or an infrared-homing missile.

The attacks had repercussions on the NATO base at Lampedusa, and the U.S. Naval Air Station at Sigonella. Gaddafi reportedly threatened reprisal against the commanders of those bases.

Video with real radio recording of the engagement :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkvtS24_eY
(can someone embed the video ? i suck at embedding.. :( )

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F-14A AC207, BuNo 159610, one of two Tomcats involved in the shot down. This aircraft was later upgraded to F-14D and served until 2006. It is now on display at the National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center.

TOMMYJO
01-04-2009, 08:39 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/v/_CkvtS24_eY

Engine Mech
01-05-2009, 12:20 AM
I heard there was a libyan C130 flying SAR at the time and it kept an eye on the two downed pilots. The C130 was crewed by mainly foreigners including at least one american and a Kiwi.

-Max2-
01-05-2009, 05:19 AM
Thanks, TOMMYJO. :)

Hispeed1
01-05-2009, 05:59 AM
F-14 Tomcat: "Anytime Baby!"

BXDOMINICANO
01-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Man i used to watch wings all the time when i was a kid.Great show,thanx for sharing MAX.

ceejay
01-05-2009, 02:34 PM
as an Aussie I was sad I never got to see the F14 in flight. It was always just one of those planes that made me stop and stare.

Thanks for the post Max

el borracho
01-05-2009, 03:08 PM
Back in high school a pilot involved in this operation spoke during a Veteran's Day assembly. This was a very interesting incident, but damn his story was boring. He had a voice like Ben Stein and rambled for quite a bit using a lot of military jargon that I didn't understand at the time. Us kids wanted to hear about sh!t getting blown up, but he went on and on for two hours about UN actions, logistics on a carrier and the political aftermath of the downing of the Libyan planes.

Red River
01-05-2009, 03:23 PM
One of the coolest jets of all time, to bad the US isn't flying them anymore. I saw one to do a low level pass once at an airshow, it was f!cking impressive!

bd popeye
01-05-2009, 08:19 PM
One of the coolest jets of all time, to bad the US isn't flying them anymore. I saw one to do a low level pass once at an airshow, it was f!cking impressive!

Yes..alas the USN decomissioned the last Tomcat squadrons in 2006.

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Atlantic Ocean (July 28, 2006) – An F-14D Tomcat, aircraft number 100, assigned to the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) makes a near supersonic fly-by above the flight deck of USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). The F-14 will officially retire in September 2006, after 32 years of service to the fleet. Theodore Roosevelt is completing Joint Task Force Exercises with USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69). U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Nathan Laird (RELEASED)

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tlantic Ocean (July 27, 2006) - An F-14D Tomcat assigned to the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) sit on the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). Roosevelt is currently underway conducting exercises as part of the Fleet Response Plan. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Randall Damm (RELEASED)

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Virginia Beach, Va. (March 10, 2006) – F-14D Tomcats from Fighter Squadron Two One Three (VF-213) and VF-31 conduct a flyover of Naval Air Station Oceana airfield. VF-213 and VF-31 are completing their final deployment flying the F-14 Tomcat. For the past 30 years, the F-14 Tomcat has assured U.S. air superiority, playing a key role in ensuring victory and preserving peace around the world. The F-14 Tomcat will be removed from service and officially stricken from the inventory in September of 2006. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate Airman Jason R. Smith (RELEASED)

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Persian Gulf (Dec. 4, 2005) - An F-14D Tomcat, assigned to the “Blacklions” of Fighter Squadron Two One Three (VF-213), conducts a mission over the Persian Gulf. VF-213 is assigned to Carrier Air Wing Eight (CVW-8), currently embarked aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). U.S. Navy photo by Lt.j.g. Scott Timmester (RELEASED)

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Indian Ocean (Sept. 26, 2004) - The sun sets behind a pair of F-14D Tomcats assigned to the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) as they are prepared to be sent down to the hangar bay aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). Stennis and embarked Carrier Air Wing Fourteen (CVW-14) are currently participating in a scheduled deployment to the Western Pacific Ocean. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Mark J. Rebilas (RELEASED)

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Naval Air Station Oceana, Va. (Sept. 25, 2004) - An F-14D Tomcat assigned to the "Grim Reapers" of Fighter Squadron One Zero One (VF-101), conducts a high speed flyby during the tactical air power demonstration at the 2004 "In Pursuit of Liberty," Naval Air Station Oceana Air Show. The demonstration showcased multiple F-14 Tomcats and F/A-18 Hornets displaying various maneuvers and simulated bomb and staffing passes in front of the crowd. The air show, held Sept. 24-26, showcased civilian and military aircraft from the Nation's armed forces, which provided many flight demonstrations and static displays. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Daniel J. McLain (RELEASED)

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At sea aboard USS Constellation (CV 64) Feb. 1, 2003 -- An F-14D Tomcat assigned to the Bounty Hunters of Fighter Squadron Two (VF-2) launches from the ship's flight deck. Constellation is on a regularly scheduled deployment in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Felix Garza Jr. (RELEASED)

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Pacific Ocean (Mar. 22, 2004) - An F-14D Tomcat assigned to the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) sits poised for launch on one of four steam-powered catapults aboard the nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). Stennis and her embarked Carrier Air Wing One Four (CVW-14) are currently at sea conducting training exercises. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Mark J. Rebilas. (RELEASED)

BlackFlag
01-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Any chance of the decom'd F-14's being sold to friendly nations?

PS: I am aware of what happened the last time we sold F-14's to a ,"friendly" state...

Atlantic Friend
01-06-2009, 03:43 PM
Any chance of the decom'd F-14's being sold to friendly nations?

PS: I am aware of what happened last time...

Iran may be interes...nah.

TR1
01-06-2009, 03:53 PM
The MiG-23MS used in this engagement cannot carry AA-7s. I don't know why this myth continues.

Shadowstorm
01-06-2009, 04:01 PM
The MiG-23MS used in this engagement cannot carry AA-7s. I don't know why this myth continues.
True, Libya received the downgraded export variant of the MiG-23's which lack some system capabilities like the AA-7's AAM's compare to the Soviet Air Force MiG-23's.

Shadowstorm
01-06-2009, 04:13 PM
Any chance of the decom'd F-14's being sold to friendly nations?

PS: I am aware of what happened the last time we sold F-14's to a ,"friendly" state...
Nope, a lot of F-14's are being scrapped and destroyed to keep the parts from being exported to countries like Iran while the other rest are being ship to museums across the country. It's rumored for years though Iran has reverse engineered parts and upgrades to keep the F-14 flying.

TOMMYJO
01-06-2009, 06:32 PM
True, Libya received the downgraded export variant of the MiG-23's which lack some system capabilities like the AA-7's AAM's compare to the Soviet Air Force MiG-23's.

Libya also received MiG-23MLDs during the mid 1980s. It came as a bit of a shock to aircraft enthusiasts when the first pictures of them appeared in the last two years. Everyone thought that they were delivered in the 1990s, but had actually been delivered from 1985 onwards. The MLDs were out in the Gulf of Sidra conducting intercepts, but because no images were released it was widely believed that Libya only operated the downgraded MS variants.

TR1
01-06-2009, 06:45 PM
The planes in the incident were not MLDs, I'm pretty sure this has been confirmed in Lybian and RUssian (who had access to Lybian material) sources.

I dont think Lybia even got MLDs, i know they recieved many MFs though.

Shadowstorm
01-06-2009, 07:03 PM
OK, after I readied on about the Libyan Air Force MiG-23's. They received around 150 MiG-23MS/MF/ML which were Flogger-E/G along with MiG-23UB Flogger-C trainers and some of these were transferred to Sudan. Libya also took delivery around 50 MiG-23BM/BN/BK Flogger-F's.

TOMMYJO
01-06-2009, 07:40 PM
The planes in the incident were not MLDs, I'm pretty sure this has been confirmed in Lybian and RUssian (who had access to Lybian material) sources.

I dont think Lybia even got MLDs, i know they recieved many MFs though.

The MLDs were photographed at LAVEX. (Libya Airshow) The images are on Airliners.net. At least one Libyian pilot referred to the type as the MLD. Mikoyan released figures of 66 MiG-23MLD export variants released to certain nations. The nation which received the largest order was Syria.

Bro Jangles
01-06-2009, 07:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqgCWzaFSws

couldn't resist.

timetraveller
01-06-2009, 08:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqgCWzaFSws

couldn't resist.

First time I've seen that Animation .



Cheers Popeye for posting those Pics .!!


I Miss the MIGHTY CAT ...

Engine Mech
01-07-2009, 12:07 AM
Question. Did the two Libyan pilots get recovered? Non of the reports say anything about them.

Supplanter
01-07-2009, 12:41 AM
Question. Did the two Libyan pilots get recovered? Non of the reports say anything about them.


Aftermath

No one is sure to why the two MiGs operated in this manner and provoked an engagement, and the Libyans did not launch a successful rescue operation to recover the pilots. The following day, the Libyans accused the US of attacking two unarmed reconnaissance planes, but the footage, also called the gun-camera videos, showed that the Libyans had been armed with AA-7 Apex missiles. Depending on the model, this can be either a semi-active radar-homing missile or an infrared-homing missile.
The Wiki page says "pilots lost at sea"

el borracho
01-09-2009, 02:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqgCWzaFSws

couldn't resist.

The Libyans flew planes with Egyptian markings and the Americans spoke with British accents?

Avon
01-15-2009, 01:10 AM
I remember so vividly when this happened, I gathered articles from AW&ST (AvLeak), Popular Mechanics, Time and Newsweek. It still left out information of which I am still trying to obtain. Question such as;
1) How many a-6's (the call sign "ace" by the E-2) were involved?

2) Were any of the EA-6's?

3) There was a second group of two MiG-23's (25 miles behind the first group), how far did they proceed into the "Med" before turn back towards Libya?

4) Several different sources state the F-14A wingman flew Tomcat number #202 while others state number #204.... which is it?



One of the coolest jets of all time, to bad the US isn't flying them anymore. I saw one to do a low level pass once at an airshow, it was f!cking impressive!
I must agree. I have been a fan of the Tomcat since Grumman won the contract in 1969!



Question. Did the two Libyan pilots get recovered? Non of the reports say anything about them.
TRUE.... this flight of MiG-23's were just one of nineteen separate reconn type missions flown by LARAF aircraft that day! Why hostile on only one mission??

Adrian

JRT
01-17-2009, 09:33 AM
The Libyan revenge for all this was launching Scuds at the NATO base in Lampedusa. Not surprisingly, the Scuds went over at least 1 km, splashing the Mediterranean. So much for that revenge.

Avon
01-17-2009, 09:17 PM
The Libyan revenge for all this was launching Scuds at the NATO base in Lampedusa. Not surprisingly, the Scuds went over at least 1 km, splashing the Mediterranean. So much for that revenge.
Thank you for that bit of information, I was always under the impression it was an air-launched missile fired at the radar station on the island. That explains why there was no mention of the Italian AF trying to intercept the missile carrier.... there wasn't one.

Adrian

JRT
01-18-2009, 08:38 AM
Thank you for that bit of information, I was always under the impression it was an air-launched missile fired at the radar station on the island. That explains why there was no mention of the Italian AF trying to intercept the missile carrier.... there wasn't one.

Adrian

Yup. That was actually the first incident since WWII and when ballistic missiles were shot towards an European country in anger. I'm not sure but perhaps it is the last, too. Unless there were BM's launched in Yugoslav disintegration wars, but I haven't ever heard of any.

JC0352
01-20-2009, 04:27 PM
I remember when that happened. I was the kid that watched Top Gun over and over and had a bunch of f-14 model planes. It was on the news and I was like, "Go USA!"

Junkelf
01-30-2009, 06:19 PM
Well i for one is mortified that Gadaffi dident do anything to recover
his pilots

Avon
01-31-2009, 02:02 AM
Well i for one is mortified that Gadaffi dident do anything to recover his pilots
Actually Moamer Kadhafi (one of many spellings) did send out SAR forces, which basically a couple C-130's. The pilots were never found. The USN observed their operations but did not assist.
I have never heard why those two MiG-23MF's were directed by GCI to take such actions? That flight of two was only one of nineteen flights by the LARAF 'towards' the CVBG!

Adrian

-Max2-
01-31-2009, 05:58 PM
I have never heard why those two MiG-23MF's were directed by GCI to take such actions? That flight of two was only one of nineteen flights by the LARAF 'towards' the CVBG!

Adrian

There is a theory that Gaddafi deliberately send those MiG-23s on a "one-way mission" to distract international attention on Libya due to suspected Lybian involvement in the Lockerbie bombing just a few day earlier. The US was also suspecting Libya of trying to produce chemical weapons so tensions were running high between the two countries. Maybe he thought that the loss of two fighters was a small price to pay to win support and be perceived as a victim of "American agression"...

magron
02-03-2009, 11:00 PM
Very cool video... went out to all my friends that love Rammstein, thanks for posting.